Thread: Poll: Most republicans think colleges are BAD for America

pops42 - 7/11/2017 at 05:00 PM

Poll: Most Republicans think colleges are bad for America
by Theresa Seiger, Cox Media Group National Content Desk, NCD
20 hours ago
A majority of Republicans think that institutions of higher education are bad for America, according to a Pew Research Center poll released Monday.
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The poll, which surveyed 2,500 adults between June 8 and June 18, found that a majority of Americans, 55 percent, view colleges and universities as good for the country. However, a majority of Republican and Republican-leaning independents, 58 percent, said the institutions have a negative effect on the United States.
The findings mark a shift dramatic shift in Republicansí views of higher education, according to Pew.

A 2015 survey found that 54 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents have a positive view of colleges and universities. That fell to 43 percent in 2016.
In the survey released Monday, Pew researchers said only 36 percent of Republicans said colleges and universities had a positive effect on the country.
Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents took an opposite view of the issue, with 72 percent telling Pew researchers that colleges and universities had a positive effect on the country and 19 percent saying they did not.



[Edited on 7/11/2017 by pops42]


BrerRabbit - 7/11/2017 at 05:31 PM



from Carl Sagan's book Demon Haunted World

Great book, really helped brace me for the millenium idiocalypse. I think the idiocalypse blindsided many people who assumed that America would always remain a beacon of enlightenment and free thought, and has rendered intellectuals into helpless shock and denial. I strongly recommend this book if you wish to understand the depth of the New Dark Age. It's freefall time, folks.


pops42 - 7/11/2017 at 06:15 PM

Republican credo: Keep em "dumb" keep em "broke", blame the "liberals" and "minorities" and we will hold on to power forever.


adhill58 - 7/11/2017 at 08:43 PM

Remember when Rick Santorum (who has a B.A., M.B.A., and a J.D.) was running for president in 2012 and said, "Did you hear Obama wants everyone to go to college? What a snob!'

Obama's higher education proposals at the time were mainly directed at helping low income people get two year degrees or licences at community colleges.

What kind of person tells ignorant hillbillies to not better their families' financial futures through a skilled career for fear of becoming snobs?


playallnite - 7/11/2017 at 08:52 PM

USA, a nation of sheep,led by wolves,owned by pigs.


2112 - 7/11/2017 at 10:51 PM

Nothing in today's world threatens the Republican party more than critical thinking. I never thought I'd see the day that scientists and journalists are demonized by half the population and threatening the quality of the air we breath and water we depend on for survival is ok with half the population. I really fear for our future.


nebish - 7/12/2017 at 03:31 AM

I don't think college is necessarily good or bad. It is supposed to serve a purpose for the people who choose to go there. I feel that too often young people leaving high school get shuffled to college because they are told that is what you do after high school and for some people it ends up being a waste of resources. And then for other people it is extremely rewarding in present and future life.

I think we have a problem in our country with college though. Gotta be a problem with everything. People talk about the military industrial complex or the insurance industry's control on Washington, big oil profit margins, what about the post-secondary education industry? What the hell has happened to college tuition cost?


Chart and relating story can also be seen here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/college-tuition-increased-1100- percent-since-1978/

Ohio State University's payroll for all employees in 2005-2006 was 1.438 billion. Payroll for 2013-14 was 2.305 billion. An almost 900 million dollar payroll increase an 8 year span? A 60% increase. While attendance grew from just 51,818 to 58,322 a 6504 enrollment gain or 12% gain.

https://www.osu.edu/osutoday/stuinfo06.php#payroll
https://www.osu.edu/osutoday/stuinfo14.php#payroll

I mean, hey if you work for the university good for you and all I guess. Seems quite the ballooning in payroll. Why so much more in staff compensation are these staffs at American Universities becoming too bloated, what justifies that growth?

I think there are alot of questions around the "higher education industrial complex" if you will. And the answer isn't to just make it cheaper or 'free' for those attending because we all know the money is going to come from somewhere and the people that run and work for these schools aren't going to suddenly take less even if the students were to get their education for 'free'.


BirdsAway - 7/12/2017 at 10:18 AM

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Nothing in today's world threatens the Republican party more than critical thinking. I never thought I'd see the day that scientists and journalists are demonized by half the population and threatening the quality of the air we breath and water we depend on for survival is ok with half the population. I really fear for our future.


Colleges and Universities no longer teach critical thinking. It's more about indoctrination than education.


LeglizHemp - 7/12/2017 at 12:59 PM

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I don't think college is necessarily good or bad. It is supposed to serve a purpose for the people who choose to go there. I feel that too often young people leaving high school get shuffled to college because they are told that is what you do after high school and for some people it ends up being a waste of resources. And then for other people it is extremely rewarding in present and future life.


college isn't for everyone. on the other hand, the college experience, i think, can be very helpful to young people. whether you graduate or not, whether you make high grades or low, you do still learn alot about relationships and community and how to learn and the ability to learn. all of those things can help you land a job.

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Colleges and Universities no longer teach critical thinking. It's more about indoctrination than education.


i find that hard to believe


BrerRabbit - 7/12/2017 at 05:26 PM

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Colleges and Universities no longer teach critical thinking. It's more about indoctrination than education.


So are you saying America would be better off without Colleges and Universties?

After all, we learn what proper nouns are in Junior High School.


BoytonBrother - 7/12/2017 at 05:41 PM

Colleges and universities are not the problem. The problem is the ridiculous notion that everyone must go after high-school in order to be successful. The other problem is the price gouging to attend. Unfortunately, too many are wasting their time and money. Most don't know what they want to do, or they end up working in an industry completely unrelated to their major, or at a profession that doesn't require 4-years of college. But they went anyway just because. Somewhere along the lines, I'm afraid it became almost a scam where American parents were brainwashed into believing they must send their children, no matter the cost.


BirdsAway - 7/12/2017 at 05:50 PM

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Colleges and Universities no longer teach critical thinking. It's more about indoctrination than education.


So are you saying America would be better off without Colleges and Universties?

After all, we learn what proper nouns are in Junior High School.




Touche'


2112 - 7/12/2017 at 06:52 PM

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Nothing in today's world threatens the Republican party more than critical thinking. I never thought I'd see the day that scientists and journalists are demonized by half the population and threatening the quality of the air we breath and water we depend on for survival is ok with half the population. I really fear for our future.


Colleges and Universities no longer teach critical thinking. It's more about indoctrination than education.


I keep hearing Republicans say that, but I've never heard of the organization that these science, mathmatics, business, and law majors get indoctrinated to. Can you help me out so I can contact them?


BrerRabbit - 7/12/2017 at 08:26 PM

The Marxist Leninist commie pinko queer enviro feminazi whackjob school of "Liberal" Arts. Everyone would be better off working at Circle K and attending Bible study classes, so we can be as dumb and conservative as Saudi Arabia. Gimme a frekin break!

Maybe if we changed it to "Conservative Arts" we wouldn't have to entertain ridiculous discussions over whether or not college is bad for America. Hello? This is a first world nation, college has something to do with that. I can't believe I'm even hearing this conversation! LOL! DUH!!!!! HELLO????

If anything the question should be: Is America bad for college?


nebish - 7/13/2017 at 02:21 AM

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college isn't for everyone. on the other hand, the college experience, i think, can be very helpful to young people. whether you graduate or not, whether you make high grades or low, you do still learn alot about relationships and community and how to learn and the ability to learn. all of those things can help you land a job.


I don't agree with that point of view.

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Colleges and universities are not the problem. The problem is the ridiculous notion that everyone must go after high-school in order to be successful. The other problem is the price gouging to attend. Unfortunately, too many are wasting their time and money. Most don't know what they want to do, or they end up working in an industry completely unrelated to their major, or at a profession that doesn't require 4-years of college. But they went anyway just because. Somewhere along the lines, I'm afraid it became almost a scam where American parents were brainwashed into believing they must send their children, no matter the cost.


I agree whole heartedly with this.

First off, college education is essential for our country, and our economy...it just isn't essential for every person in our country or participating within the economy to attend.

The push for people to go to college right out of high school for the experience, at what $8000, 10,000, 20,000 at some places - a year. Some price for the experience. Add interest on to loans and it leaves many of those people who don't stick around to earn the degree in financial ruin.

I think it is much better to enter the real world and try to find employment learning the ropes of what it takes to make ends meet instead of those who eventually fail to earn a degree aimlessly going to classes (or not) that will not ultimately benefit them racking up mountains of debt in the process. And 2 year, 4 year, technical or community colleges will be there down the road when the time is right. Very difficult for many people to decide at 18, 19, 20 what direction they want in life. Get some miles on your tires, it helps in figuring things out.

The opportunity of college education is key for many and less so for others. At the same time many people also do find meaningful and financially sustainable jobs without a college degree. Some employers will even invest in their employees to obtain higher education for mutual benefit.

Colleges are not bad for America, that is stupid to say such a thing. Pushing people towards college following high school as has became more and more the norm the last couple decades is bad. And then the university-industrial-complex should be subjected to as much criticism as the drug companies, wall street, defense contractors, etc...but for some reason, outside of the student loan industry, everyone else in the higher education food chain seems to be immune from the targets of too much pay and benefits and waste at the expense of others. Put it all on the table.


BrerRabbit - 7/13/2017 at 10:13 PM

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Colleges are not bad for America, that is stupid to say such a thing.


I agree. And so we both disagree with the majority of Republicans in the Pew Research Center poll that was discussed in the OP, who think colleges have a negative impact on America.


OriginalGoober - 7/14/2017 at 01:44 AM



One look at the editorial page of the AJC.com and its clear who their target audience is.


jkeller - 7/14/2017 at 03:45 AM

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One look at the editorial page of the AJC.com and its clear who their target audience is.


Yeah. The people who live in the Atlanta area.


nebish - 7/14/2017 at 01:22 PM

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Colleges are not bad for America, that is stupid to say such a thing.


I agree. And so we both disagree with the majority of Republicans in the Pew Research Center poll that was discussed in the OP, who think colleges have a negative impact on America.




Certainly. One can't forget the amount of medical research that happens at America's Universities as well.


Jerry - 7/16/2017 at 11:23 PM

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Colleges and Universities no longer teach critical thinking. It's more about indoctrination than education.


So are you saying America would be better off without Colleges and Universties?

After all, we learn what proper nouns are in Junior High School.




An example of the dumbing down the schools? We learned that in 4th grade in the early 60's.
i sometimes help my great-great nephews with their homework and I'm astonished at the learning level they are given. There may be more technology in the classroom, but factual knowledge in the curriculum has really gone down.
One of their teachers asked me how I knew some of their textbooks were wrong about some subjects. I replied "Because I lived through that. I know what happened. Want me to show you where to find the newspapers from that time? The textbooks don't jive with what actually happened."


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