Thread: College Football 2017

nebish - 5/26/2017 at 12:23 AM

South Point in Las Vegas released opening week lines today.

92 days.

The South Point’s opening lines (home team in CAPS):

Saturday, Aug. 26

COLORADO STATE -2 Oregon State
Hawaii -1 MASSACHUSETTS
South Florida -25 SAN JOSE STATE
Stanford -38 Rice @Sydney, Australia

Thursday, Aug. 31

Ohio State -21 INDIANA
MINNESOTA -31 Buffalo
MEMPHIS -23 Louisiana-Monroe
ARIZONA STATE -26 New Mexico State

Friday, Sept. 1

EASTERN MICHIGAN -12.5 Charlotte
Washington -33 RUTGERS
Navy -21 FLORIDA ATLANTIC
WISCONSIN -37 Utah State
NORTHERN ILLINOIS -2 Boston College
Colorado Off Colorado State @Denver

Saturday, Sept. 2

MICHIGAN STATE -18 Bowling Green
IOWA -11.5 Wyoming
Miami (Ohio) -8.5 MARSHALL
CLEMSON -40 Kent State
Massachusetts Off COASTAL CAROLINA
PENN STATE -39 Akron
Louisville -27 Purdue @Indianapolis
NEBRASKA -19 Arkansas State
CENTRAL FLORIDA -21 Florida International
NORTHWESTERN -28 Nevada
ILLINOIS -11 Ball State
OKLAHOMA -48 Texas-El Paso
NORTH CAROLINA -14 California
MISSISSIPPI -22.5 South Alabama
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA -19 Western Michigan
Louisiana State -8 Brigham Young @Houston
TEXAS -23 Maryland
NOTRE DAME -11 Temple
AUBURN -36 Georgia Southern
GEORGIA -11 Appalachian State
Kentucky -13.5 SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
Houston -17 TEXAS-SAN ANTONIO
North Carolina State -8 South Carolina @Charlotte
OKLAHOMA STATE -10 Tulsa
Michigan -3 Florida @Arlington, Texas
Vanderbilt -10.5 MIDDLE TENNESSEE
Alabama -4 Florida State @Atlanta
BOISE STATE -5 Troy

Sunday, Sept. 3
Virginia Tech -5 West Virginia @Landover, Md.
UCLA -4 Texas A&M

Monday, Sept. 4
Tennessee -3 Georgia Tech @Atlanta


Bhawk - 5/26/2017 at 12:29 PM

Man, after all those incredible opening weekend matchups last year, was hoping that was the start of a trend. This year is a throwback to the powerhouses blowing out cupcakes tradition of the 70s and 80s.


nebish - 5/26/2017 at 12:54 PM

I may have to pick up a preview magazine or two! The bible Phil Steele book is still a few weeks out.

Do you get to any games Jerry?


leafsfan - 5/30/2017 at 11:25 PM

What no line on Oregon vs Southern Utah State ?

I am hoping to get to Nebraska at Oregon. A large number of my wife's family moved out from Nebraska to work in the Portland Shipyards before and during the war. Hoping a bunch of us head down to Eugene for the game.

Also looking at Oregon at Huskies in Seattle in November. Going to be the return of the QUACK!!!!


nebish - 5/31/2017 at 05:17 PM

Awesome.

That new Burger King commercial is using that 'return of the mack' song and of course I immediately thought of 'return of the quack'!

Let Them Rise!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1n6riBX1cU


nebish - 5/31/2017 at 05:28 PM

People who know what they want can get some really good value betting those early opening lines.

Boise was -5 and is now -11.5.

I think that Oregon St - Colorado St game August 26th is pretty good, looking forward to that. Very weird they have some of those odd ball games a week before the full season starts.


nebish - 6/1/2017 at 01:59 PM

This is pretty cool.

New stadium in Fort Collins. Live construction images and some time lapse videos:


http://stadium.colostate.edu/constructioncam/#

Stadium opens with the Oregon State Beavers come into town August 26 to face the CSU Rams.

Oregon State started to climb off the mat last season, slightly exceeding expectations going 4-8 with two loses by 5 pts or fewer with the emergence of 'the Wrecking Nall'. It is still going to be tough for them to make a bowl this season, this opener is a key game towards that 6 win threshold.

Colorado St on the other hand could've flirted with an unbeaten season this year if it wasn't for a pesky trip to T-town Sept 16th. This team should be good enough to challenge Boise for the Mountain Division and they get the Broncos at home Nov 11th.


nebish - 6/1/2017 at 02:44 PM

Once being a Nebraska football fan, I wasn't particularly fond of Bill Snyder in the 1990s, but over the years my respect for him has really grown as I put everything into perspective. He turns 78 this year and will be on the sidelines again for K State despite battling throat cancer.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/big12/2017/05/08/bill-snyder-ka nsas-state-football-coach-cancer/101403506/


nebish - 6/14/2017 at 02:07 AM

After 18 seasons at Oklahoma, Bob Stoops suddenly and surprising retires!

From last week:

quote:

http://newsok.com/article/5551964

Bob Stoops, one of the three coaching giants of Oklahoma’s century-long football excellence, plans to tell his team Wednesday that he will retire after 18 seasons as the Sooner head coach.

An OU source said offensive coordinator Lincoln Riley will take over as head coach.

It is expected that Stoops will remain with the university in some capacity.

Riley, 33, a native of Muleshoe, Texas, has been at OU for two seasons.

“Great young coach, the program’s in great shape,” the source said. “Good recruiting class. Got a great young coach that anybody would want to have, ready to go. He’s as good a coach as there in America, at this stage in his career.

“And Bob got to do it in his way. Doesn’t get any better than that.”

Stoops, 56, coached the Sooners to the 2000 national champion and three other national title games. His 18-year record is 190-48. The Sooners won nine outright Big 12 titles under Stoops and tied for another.

Stoops was hired on Dec. 1, 1998, after five straight non-winning seasons. His first OU team went 7-5. His next five Sooner teams combined to go 60-7, and a new golden age of Sooner football was born.

Stoops released a statement around 3 p.m. on Wednesday:

“After 18 years at the University of Oklahoma, I've decided to step down as the head football coach. I understand there has been some speculation about my health. My health was not the deciding factor in this decision and I've had no incidents that would prevent me from coaching. I feel the timing is perfect to hand over the reins. The program is in tremendous shape. We have outstanding players and coaches and are poised to make another run at a Big 12 and national championship. We have new state-of-the-art facilities and a great start on next year's recruiting class. The time is now because Lincoln Riley will provide a seamless transition as the new head coach, capitalizing on an excellent staff that is already in place and providing familiarity and confidence for our players. Now is simply the ideal time for me and our program to make this transition.

“The Bible says, "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven." I'm grateful for this season of my life, and feel I've fulfilled my purpose here at OU as its head football coach.

“I'm thankful that my career at Oklahoma was marked with consistent leadership in President David Boren and Director of Athletics Joe Castiglione. It's extremely rare in college athletics to have no change in these leadership positions over a nearly 20-year span. I always appreciated the way both of them supported me and our program. They both played an enormous role in all our successes.

“I have been very fortunate to have such outstanding coaches in my time at OU. Our players have always benefitted from their strong leadership, on and off the field. I was also blessed with a strong support staff — strength and conditioning, equipment, sports medicine, academics, video — every aspect of our program was staffed with very talented people who took a great deal of pride in making Oklahoma football the best.

“I'm especially thankful for being able to coach so many talented young men over my 18 years here. It has been so rewarding to see these players come to OU and mature over a four or five-year career, and not just on the field. To play a small part in their growth is what I will always cherish the most.
None of my success would have happened without the best fans in the country. I can't tell you how much I appreciated the 110 consecutive home sellouts. The passion of our fan base is unmatched, and their support has played a huge role in not only home games, but road games and all 18 of our bowl games, as well.

“Lastly, I'd like to thank my wife, Carol, and my daughter, Mackie, and my sons, Drake and Isaac. They have been a major part of this success. Being the wife or child of a coach is often tough, and they've all been strong through both good times and challenging times.

“The coaching life is like a relay race and I'm thankful for my turn and am confident as I pass the baton. Carol and I intend on staying in Norman — it is our home. I will be available to Coach Riley and the athletic department in any manner. Thank you all for a lifetime of memories we shared together of 10 conference championships, the 2000 national championship, strong relationships with players and coaches, and the great Oklahoma football fans. Boomer!”

STATEMENT FROM LINCOLN RILEY:

"I'm sincerely honored to be given this opportunity to be the head football coach at the University of Oklahoma. I want to thank Coach Stoops for bringing me here two years ago and making me part of the Sooner family. He is one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game, at any level. I'm absolutely thankful for our friendship and for the mentorship he has provided.

"Coaching at Oklahoma is a dream come true for me and my family. I am extremely grateful to President Boren, Joe Castiglione, Chairman Bennett and the OU Board of Regents for believing in me and affording me this opportunity. I look forward to continuing the tradition of excellence that Coach Stoops and so many others before him have instilled in this great program."

STATEMENT FROM OU PRESIDENT DAVID BOREN

"It was with sadness that I learned of the decision of Coach Bob Stoops to step down as head football coach at Oklahoma. Coach Stoops has made a critically important and lasting contribution to the OU football program. He has led to its restoration as one of the top programs in the nation. His success has helped provide the momentum for major new facilities like the improvements and expansion of the football stadium. Because of his unquestioned personal integrity and high standards, he is one of the most admired college football coaches in America.

"His decision to step down at this time was motivated partly by his belief that he has the right successor already in place in the program, Lincoln Riley, and he wanted to pass the leadership on at a time of strength for the program. His decision is typical of his unselfishness and always putting first the best interest of the players and program.

"I personally value him as a person and as a friend. I'm glad that Coach Stoops will remain an active member of our university family and will continue to serve the athletics department and be of help to our new head coach. The departure of Coach Stoops as head coach is a bittersweet time. I agree completely that we have exactly the right person already in place to take the helm. Coach Riley enjoys the complete confidence of the administration and university community. He has the talent and personal character to be a worthy successor to Coach Stoops."

STATEMENT FROM OU VICE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF ATHLETICS JOE CASTIGLIONE:

"It is rare in today's world that a president, athletics director and head football coach can work together for 18 successful seasons. Bob Stoops stands as one of the premier legendary figures in one of the most storied programs in college football history, yet he is still best identified by his humble nature and team approach that refused to get caught up in stature. That's the reason Bob is such a great leader. He has great vision and great accomplishment, but it never changed who he is as a man and a coach.

"Working alongside him has been one of the most enjoyable aspects of my job. Few athletics directors get a coach who better combines success and cohesiveness like Bob Stoops. I can't help but feel somewhat sad today because Bob has been such a constant in my life, and that's why I am so thankful that he will remain with us. He will continue to do great things for OU.

"At the same time, I am thrilled that Lincoln Riley is in position to take over as the head coach. He is widely regarded as one of the brightest minds in college football and there is no question in my mind that he is the complete package. Our program is in very good hands. Lincoln and I have a great relationship and I can't wait to embark on this new era with him. I am sure our fans share my enthusiasm. We celebrate a tremendous legacy today and because of what Bob did here and the coach we have identified, we look forward to our future with great optimism."

STATEMENT FROM CHAIRMAN OF THE OU BOARD OF REGENTS CLAYTON BENNETT:

"On behalf of the Board of Regents, I would like to express my heartfelt gratitude to Bob Stoops for what he has done for the football program at the University of Oklahoma and just as importantly, the school and state at large. From the moment he stepped on campus, Bob has led with dignity and professionalism that is justly admired throughout sports. During his time at Oklahoma he not only built upon our tradition, but moved it forward in a way that has made Sooners everywhere proud. I wish Bob, Carol and their family the best of luck with the next chapter, we are forever thankful for the contributions they have made to Oklahoma.

"Lincoln Riley has asserted himself as one of the brightest young minds in all of college football, and the results over the past two seasons as offensive coordinator for the Sooners speak for themselves. He has embraced the culture of being an Oklahoma Sooner, and I'm looking forward to watching him on the sidelines this coming fall as he leads our team. I want to congratulate Lincoln, Caitlin and their family on this exciting time."

This story will be updated.


Bhawk - 6/14/2017 at 02:32 PM

Incredible run as coach. Whether or not he's actually leaving on his own terms is the kind of stuff only insiders know, but the administration has been quite cooperative to make it appear so.


Dannyspell - 6/14/2017 at 04:11 PM

When he was Spurrier's DC at Florida you could tell he was going to be a winner...


Dannyspell - 6/14/2017 at 04:29 PM


nebish - 6/15/2017 at 02:22 AM

Bob Stoops, played for a legend (Hayden Fry), coached for two legends (Spurrier and Snyder) and became his own legend.

Big game Bob did tarnish a little towards the end here, but you can't win them all.

An incredible coach with an incredible resume. Let's not forget where OU was when he took over and he had them winning the national title in his 2nd year and remaining nationally relevant for nearly the next two decades. Plus he's from Youngstown Ohio!


nebish - 6/15/2017 at 02:26 AM

What is it 73 days until game 1 kicks!


Lee - 6/15/2017 at 12:40 PM

quote:
Bob Stoops, played for a legend (Hayden Fry), coached for two legends (Spurrier and Snyder) and became his own legend.

Big game Bob did tarnish a little towards the end here, but you can't win them all.

An incredible coach with an incredible resume. Let's not forget where OU was when he took over and he had them winning the national title in his 2nd year and remaining nationally relevant for nearly the next two decades. Plus he's from Youngstown Ohio!



There's an article in today's Chicago Tribune about Stoops recently buying a new home in The Gold Coast here (nice, expensive area). So some are speculating he is angling for the Bears job. I don't know why he would want to do that. They are one of the worst run organizations in all of sports.


nebish - 6/25/2017 at 05:27 PM

Regular Season Over/Under win totals (conference title and bowl games do not count towards the total)

From South Point Casino as of June 4th

Air Force - 5
Akron - 5.5
Alabama - 10.5
Appalachian State - 9.5
Arizona - 4.5
Arizona State - 5
Arkansas - 6
Arkansas State - 7.5
Army - 8
Auburn - 9
Ball State - 4
Baylor - 8
Boise State - 8
Boston College - 4
Bowling Green - 4
Buffalo - 3.5
BYU - 10
California - 3.5
Central Florida - 7.5
Central Michigan - 7
Charlotte - 4
Cincinnati - 5
Clemson - 9.5
Coastal Carolina - 5.5
Colorado - 7.5
Colorado State - 7.5
Connecticut - 4
Duke - 4.5
East Carolina - 2.5
Eastern Michigan - 4.5
Florida International - 4.5
Florida - 8
Florida Atlantic - 4
Florida State - 9.5
Fresno State - 4
Georgia - 9
Georgia Southern - 5
Georgia State - 6
Georgia Tech - 6
Hawaii - 4
Houston - 8.5
Idaho - 4.5
Illinois - 3.5
Indiana - 6.5
Iowa - 7
Iowa State - 5.5
Kansas - 2.5
Kansas State - 7.5
Kent State - 3.5
Kentucky - 7
Louisiana Tech - 9
Louisville - 9.5
LSU - 9
Louisiana-Lafayette - 5
Louisiana-Monroe - 3.5
Marshall - 5
Maryland - 3
Massachusetts - 2.5
Memphis - 8.5
Miami, Fl. - 9
Miami Ohio - 8
Michigan - 8.5
Michigan State - 5
Middle Tennessee State - 7.5
Minnesota - 7.5
Mississippi - 5.5
Mississippi State - 5
Missouri - 6
Navy - 7
North Carolina State - 6.5
Nebraska - 7
Nevada - 3.5
New Mexico - 5.5
New Mexico State - 3.5
North Carolina - 7
North Texas - 4
Northern Illinois - 6
Northwestern - 8.5
Notre Dame - 7.5
Ohio - 7.5
Ohio State - 10.5
Oklahoma - 10
Oklahoma State - 9
Old Dominion - 6.5
Oregon - 7.5
Oregon State - 5.5
Penn State - 10
Pittsburgh - 6.5
Purdue - 2.5
Rice - 3.5
Rutgers - 3
San Diego State - 9.5
San Jose State - 3.5
SMU - 5
South Alabama - 4
South Carolina - 5
South Florida - 10
Southern Miss - 7.5
Stanford - 9
Syracuse - 4
TCU - 8
Temple - 7
Tennessee - 7.5
Texas - 7.5
Texas A&M - 7.5
Texas San Antonio - 6.5
Texas State - 2.5
Texas Tech - 4.5
Toledo - 8.5
Troy - 8.5
Tulane - 4.5
Tulsa - 7.5
UAB - 2.5
UCLA - 7
UNLV - 5.5
USC - 10
Utah - 5.5
Utah State - 4.5
UTEP - 2.5
Vanderbilt - 6
Virginia - 5.5
Virginia Tech - 8.5
Wake Forest - 5.5
Washington - 10
Washington State - 7
West Virginia - 6
Western Kentucky - 9.5
Western Michigan - 9
Wisconsin - 10.5
Wyoming - 8

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/story.cfm/story/1862059


nebish - 6/25/2017 at 05:29 PM

62 days


DeadMallard - 6/27/2017 at 04:42 AM

quote:
What no line on Oregon vs Southern Utah State ?

I am hoping to get to Nebraska at Oregon. A large number of my wife's family moved out from Nebraska to work in the Portland Shipyards before and during the war. Hoping a bunch of us head down to Eugene for the game.

Also looking at Oregon at Huskies in Seattle in November. Going to be the return of the QUACK!!!!



Phil's still trying to buy you that elusive natty. Half a billion & counting. The guy needs to step it up since he's not getting any younger.


leafsfan - 6/27/2017 at 05:49 PM

quote:

posted on 6/26/2017 at 23:42
quote:
What no line on Oregon vs Southern Utah State ?

I am hoping to get to Nebraska at Oregon. A large number of my wife's family moved out from Nebraska to work in the Portland Shipyards before and during the war. Hoping a bunch of us head down to Eugene for the game.

Also looking at Oregon at Huskies in Seattle in November. Going to be the return of the QUACK!!!!


Phil's still trying to buy you that elusive natty. Half a billion & counting. The guy needs to step it up since he's not getting any younger.


Alabama, Ohio and going to Italy to practice Michigan have never attempted to buy a championship?


nebish - 7/7/2017 at 11:10 PM

Just 7 weeks!

ACC Atlantic Winner
Florida State -145
Clemson +260
Louisville +475
NC State +1400
Syracuse +3500
Wake Forest +4000
Boston College +4000

ACC Coastal Winner
Miami Florida +165
Virginia Tech +260
Georgia Tech +525
Pittsburgh +550
North Carolina +650
Duke +1100
Virginia

ACC Champion
Clemson +460
Miami Florida +675
Louisville +850
Virginia Tech +1200
NC State +3000
Georgia Tech +3200
Pittsburgh +3400
North Carolina +4200
Duke +8500
Syracuse +14000
Wake Forest +17500
Boston College +17500
Virginia +17500

American Athletic Champion
South Florida -130
Houston +575
Memphis +575
Tulsa +900
Navy +1300
Temple +2200
Central Florida +2500
SMU +2800
Cincinnati +3300
Tulane +6600
East Carolina +12000
Connecticut +15000

Big 12 Champion
Oklahoma -110
Oklahoma State +375
TCU +1100
Texas +1100
Kansas State +1100
West Virginia +1900
Baylor +2700
Texas Tech +11500
Iowa State +14000
Kansas +30000

Big 12 Reach Championship Game
Oklahoma -270
Oklahoma State +150
TCU +300
Texas +300
Kansas State +300
West Virginia +515
Baylor +675
Texas Tech +2300
Iowa State +2600
Kansas +4400

Big XII has a conference title game, but without divisions, just the two top teams play.

Big Ten East Winner
Ohio State -160
Penn State +335
Michigan +365
Michigan State +1800
Indiana +3800
Maryland +4200
Rutgers +9500

Big Ten West Winner
Wisconsin -115
Nebraska +425
Northwestern +425
Iowa +700
Minnesota +700
Illinois +2500
Purdue +2700

Big Ten Champion
Ohio State +125
Wisconsin +425
Penn State +595
Michigan +595
Nebraska +2200
Northwestern +2200
Iowa +3500
Minnesota +3500
Michigan State +3500
Indiana +9500
Maryland +11500
Illinois +17500
Purdue +19000
Rutgers +32500

Conference USA Champion
Western Kentucky +190
Louisiana Tech +475
Middle Tennessee +800
Southern Miss +800
UTSA +800
Old Dominion +900
Florida Atlantic +1000
Marshall +1100
Florida International +2800
Rice +3000
North Texas +3200
Charlotte +14000
UAB +14000
UTEP +14000

Mid-American Champion
Toledo +210
Western Michigan +270
Miami Ohio +550
Ohio +550
Northern Illinois +1100
Central Michigan +1300
Akron +1400
Eastern Michigan +1500
Bowling Green +3300
Ball State +5500
Kent State +8500
Buffalo +11500

Mountain West Champion
San Diego State +100
Boise State +325
Colorado State +400
Wyoming +1200
Air Force +2500
New Mexico +2500
Utah State +3200
Hawaii +3500
Nevada +3500
UNLV +4000
San Jose State +5000
Fresno State +6600

Pac-12 North Winner
Washington +115
Stanford +290
Oregon +410
Washington State +410
Oregon State +2500
California +3200

Pac-12 South Winner
USC -290
UCLA +475
Utah +850
Colorado +850
Arizona State +1800
Arizona +2800

Pac-12 Champion
USC +115
Washington +300
Stanford +975
Washington State +1300
Oregon +1300
UCLA +1300
Utah +1700
Colorado +2500
Arizona State +6000
Arizona +10000
Oregon State +10000
California +12500

SEC East Winner
Georgia +145
Florida +160
Tennessee +345
Kentucky +1800
South Carolina +1800
Missouri +2900
Vanderbilt +2900

SEC West Winner
Alabama -280
LSU +475
Auburn +485
Texas A&M +2800
Arkansas +4000
Mississippi State +5500

SEC Champion
Alabama -165
LSU +700
Auburn +725
Georgia +1000
Florida +1150
Tennessee +2400
Texas A&M +5500
Arkansas +8500
Mississippi State +13000
South Carolina +13000
Kentucky +13000
Missouri +25000
Vanderbilt +25000

Sun Belt Champion
Appalachian State +130
Arkansas State +325
Troy +340
UL Lafayette +1400
Georgia Southern +1400
Idaho +1700
New Mexico State +2000
South Alabama +2000
UL Monroe +4500
Georgia State +4500
Coastal Carolina +11500
Texas State +17500

[Edited on 7/8/2017 by nebish]


Lee - 7/8/2017 at 12:20 PM

I took Michigan under 9 (and I am a die hard Michigan fan). I don't see them winning 10 so if they win 9 I would just push.

I was going to take the under on Wisconsin but their schedule is a joke so I didn't. They should win The Big Ten running away.


Dannyspell - 7/9/2017 at 11:05 AM

I haven't had a chance to really study opening week schedule but 2 games really jumped out to me. Alabama-Florida State and Florida-Michigan..


Dannyspell - 7/9/2017 at 11:09 AM

Not sure if Florida has yet found an offense though..


nebish - 7/10/2017 at 03:48 PM

10.5 is a crazy total on Wisconsin though. So funny because last year everyone was selling the Badgers and I think their win total was down to maybe 7 or 7.5 at one point because the schedule was believed to be so tough.

5 dimes has them at 9.5 over -200 and under +170 currently.

Not sure what price would be on under 10.5, but all you need is for them to drop 2 games...

at BYU? (BYU only lost to UCLA, Utah and WVa by combined 7 pts and beat Mich St and Mississippi State)

vs Northwestern (NW won '14 and '15)

at Nebraska? (Wisc won in OT last year and by just 2 in '15)

home vs Maryland? (not as likely, however I personally am a little high on Terps this year)

at Indiana? (Badgers normally dominate series, but IU has been playing the 'big boys' tough last 2 years and they haven't played last few years since IU has gotten kinda good )

Iowa? (I like Stanley stepping in at QB for Hawks think Iowa might be better than people think)

home vs Michigan?

I think Wisconsin will have a good team as always, but at the same time they could definitely lose 2 or 3 of those games. Not sure they are head-and-shoulders above any of those to assume they can't drop a few. I'm always looking for upsets!

[Edited on 7/10/2017 by nebish]


nebish - 7/10/2017 at 03:57 PM

quote:
I haven't had a chance to really study opening week schedule but 2 games really jumped out to me. Alabama-Florida State and Florida-Michigan..

quote:
Not sure if Florida has yet found an offense though..


So many story lines in that FSU-Bama game. Just wish it could be a home-and-home series instead of a one-off.

Saban vs Jimbo, Hurts vs Francois, can FSU pass protect after getting murdered at OL last year?, who will rush passer for Bama? Is FR RB Akers as good as hyped?, what will Bama O look like post-Kiffin...

Pretty anxious to see Florida's offense as well. So much wasted potential for that Gators on O the last several years...and McElwain is an O guy. They get Malik Zaire transfering in from ND...will they know how to use him, game 1 what will his efficiency and comfort be in the O?

I actually think that Michigan's D will be very good still, even with the loss of so many guys. Front 7 appears to still be a strength, we just don't know all their names yet, production will follow. The secondary is a bigger concern, but vs a normally anemic Gator O might not matter, or will it this year?


nebish - 7/19/2017 at 02:16 PM

Little IAA / FCS info...atleast shows who some think are going to be good and a preview of some potential FCS wins over FBS teams.

FCS Champion Odds -
North Dakota State +175
James Madison +250
Sam Houston State +700
South Dakota State +1000
Jacksonville State +1400
Richmond +1700
Villanova +2000
Wofford +2000
Eastern Washington +2000
North Dakota +3850
Youngstown State +4000
Northern Iowa +4500
Central Arkansas +4500
Charleston Southern +5000
Chattanooga +5000
The Citadel +5000
New Hampshire +5500
Samford +5500
Illinois State +5500
Western Illinois +6600
Lehigh +7500
South Dakota +8000


quote:

FCS vs. FBS: 5 Winnable Games and 5 Possible Upsets in 2017

Sam Herder
@TheHerd215

Last Updated - Jul 18, 2017 06:17

The 2017 college football season features 98 FCS vs. FBS games. It's always fun to see the two Division I subdivisions square off, especially when the FCS teams come out on top.

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With 22 less scholarships, any FCS win should be considered an upset. But it's become clear that the top 10-15 FCS teams are superior to the bottom half of the FBS. Last season, 10 FCS teams notched wins over FBS opponents, highlighted by North Dakota State's 23-21 win at No. 11 Iowa.

The 2013 season saw a record 16 FCS vs. FBS wins. NDSU took down the defending Big 12 champions Kansas State, Eastern Washington defeated No. 25 Oregon State and Georgia Southern, who was transitioning to the FBS and ineligible for the FCS playoffs, went to Florida and won 26-20 in the regular season finale.

The FCS has a chance to reach double-digit wins again this season against the "big boys." Here are the five most winnable games and the five biggest possible upsets.


Five most winnable games

Eastern Washington @ Texas Tech (Sept. 2) – The Eagles have defeated FBS opponents two times since 2013 while coming within a touchdown in others. They'll have big holes to fill at receiver, but Gage Gubrud can shred any defense with his arm. Texas Tech went 5-7 last season and lose quarterback Patrick Mahomes II, who was drafted No. 10 overall, and top receiver Jonathan Giles, who transferred to LSU. The Red Raiders allowed 43.5 points per game and 315.8 passing yards per game in 2016.

Youngstown State @ Pittsburgh (Sept. 2) – Bo Pelini probably licks his chops when it comes to playing FBS opponents. His Penguins narrowly lost 45-37 to Pittsburgh in his first season as head coach in 2015. Now with players to fit his system, Pelini has skyrocketed the YSU program and made the FCS title game last season. Pittsburgh loses its starting quarterback, top running back and three of its top five tacklers after an 8-5 season.

Northern Iowa @ Iowa State (Sept. 2) – Can someone politely poke their head into the Iowa State athletic department offices and ask why they continue to schedule Missouri Valley Football Conference opponents? Actually, for the sake of the FCS, don't. The Cyclones have lost to MVFC opponents three times since 2013. Two of those came against UNI. They play the 2016 Valley co-champs South Dakota State in 2018, UNI again in 2019 and South Dakota in 2020. The Panthers look to get back to the playoffs this season while Iowa State is coming off back-to-back 3-9 seasons.

South Dakota @ Bowling Green (Sept. 9) – Bowling Green narrowly escaped with a 27-26 win against North Dakota last year in a 4-8 season. The Falcons lose 1,000-yard running back Fred Coppet, but should have an improved passing game. They gave up 38.3 points per game in 2016 and will be without Trenton Greene, who had 111 tackles. USD is looking to take that next step as an FCS program and pull out the close games. With Chris Streveler leading the way at quarterback, the Coyotes can make a statement Sept.9.

James Madison @ East Carolina (Sept. 2) – This is a rare game where the FCS team is favored. And the spread of 4.5 points is actually being generous to ECU, who went 3-9 last season. JMU is the defending FCS national champs and don't appear to be taking any steps back. This is an extremely winnable game for the Dukes. And oh by the way, ECU is paying them $300,000 to do it.

Five possible upsets

Northern Arizona @ Arizona (Sept. 2) – If you don't know the name Case Cookus, you better get familiar. The 2015 FCS Freshman of the Year played just four games last season before a shoulder injury sidelined him. As a freshman, Cookus threw for 3,117 yards with 37 touchdowns and five interceptions. He'll have the top three receivers from last season return. Arizona went 3-9 in 2016. The Wildcats gave up 38.3 points per game and 275.2 passing yards per game.

Cal Poly @ San Jose State (Sept. 2) – Cal Poly was on the wrong end of the biggest upset in last year's playoffs. The Mustangs lost to San Diego, a non-scholarship school they defeated 38-16 earlier in the season. With fullback Joe Protheroe (1,334 yards, 13 touchdowns) returning and a favorable conference schedule, Cal Poly is eyeing bigger things in 2017. San Jose State was 4-8 last season, allowing 244.6 rushing yards per game.

Villanova @ Temple (Sept. 9) – In his second game as head coach, Mark Ferrante can show the Villanova program remains in good hands. Ferrante takes over after coaching under Andy Talley for more than 30 years. The Wildcats should own one of the top defenses in the FCS this season with four of their top five tacklers returning. Temple won its final six games to go 10-4 in 2016. The Owls lose their No. 1 running back and quarterback and top two tacklers.

Jacksonville State @ Georgia Tech (Sept. 9) – Jacksonville State is a team littered with FBS talent. Mostly because a lot of its players were once on FBS teams. But taking the transfer route has led to three undefeated conference seasons and a national runner-up finish in 2015. The Gamecocks took Auburn to overtime in 2015 before losing 27-20. Last year, they lost 34-13 to LSU. Georgia Tech went 9-4 last season, but should be on upset alert against JSU, who has shown it can match up well with FBS teams.

Wofford @ South Carolina (Nov. 18) – Wofford can make the FCS playoffs real interesting with a huge upset in the final week of the regular season. The Terriers could very well have 0-1 losses heading into their game against South Carolina, who went 6-7 last season. The Gamecocks defeated Western Carolina, who is in the same conference as Wofford, 44-31. The Terriers defeated WCU 31-19. Take that how you wish, but Wofford returns a team that could be in the national title picture if it takes care of business in the Southern Conference. An upset here could greatly influence how the bracket is seeded.

http://herosports.com/fcs-football/fcs-vs-fbs-upsets-2017-bzbz


nebish - 7/19/2017 at 02:19 PM

37 days til kickoff!

SEC, Big XII, AAC, ACC and CUSA media days are over. The rest are next week. Fall camp is just weeks away with a few schools starting earlier this year.


nebish - 7/19/2017 at 02:29 PM

FBS / IA Championship Odds -

Alabama +260
USC +780
Ohio State +800
Florida State +950
Oklahoma +1700
Auburn +2000
Penn State +2200
Michigan +2500
LSU +2600
Clemson +3300
Florida +4000
Washington +4000
Wisconsin +4000
Texas +4500
Georgia +4500
Louisville +5000
Oklahoma State +5000
Notre Dame +8000
Tennessee +8000
UCLA +8000
Virginia Tech +8500
Miami Florida +8500
Kansas State +10000
TCU +10000
Oregon +10000


StratDal - 7/19/2017 at 10:52 PM

Hi nebish. Thanks for the thread. Teams start practicing in a few weeks. College football will always be a good vibe.

Regarding my Bruins, believe it when you see it. Unless UCLA can improve its running game, it will be another long season. Lots of good players all around but unfortunately, no depth at OL. No OL = football hell.

Lots of empty seats at the RB last season. For certain locations, the school decided to add a donation fee per seat to support the John Wooden Fund. I get it but unfortunately, that's a hard sell when the stadium doesn't sell out.

All that being said, I'm looking forward to tailgating, seeing friends, and enjoying all things college football. To good times! GO BRUINS!


StratDal - 7/19/2017 at 10:58 PM

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Man, after all those incredible opening weekend matchups last year, was hoping that was the start of a trend. This year is a throwback to the powerhouses blowing out cupcakes tradition of the 70s and 80s.


+1 Bama vs FSU, Michigan vs The Gators are worth watching but other than that, BFD.

Friday night's game CU vs CSU should be fun. Big rivalry and both schools go at it. Grads from each schools hate each other. That's football!


nebish - 7/20/2017 at 12:50 AM

I'm devoting Saturday and Sunday to football study!

Strat, what are your thoughts on Rosen? I know he hasn't always had the supporting cast, and I know he has had some injury issues, but I just haven't seen the extraordinary ability in an elite talent level college QB. He's good, I've seen him play very good. But I've seen probably 30 college QBs play as good any given year. Do you still think he is the 'Rosen One or Chosen Rosen, whatever they say?


StratDal - 7/21/2017 at 03:12 AM

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I'm devoting Saturday and Sunday to football study!

Strat, what are your thoughts on Rosen? I know he hasn't always had the supporting cast, and I know he has had some injury issues, but I just haven't seen the extraordinary ability in an elite talent level college QB. He's good, I've seen him play very good. But I've seen probably 30 college QBs play as good any given year. Do you still think he is the 'Rosen One or Chosen Rosen, whatever they say?


Rosen is a good QB. He's best in uptempo and can run the ball too. Last season, he had a crappy OL, terrible running game, and receivers that dropped passes plus he was in an offense not suited to his style. It was hard to move the chains and unfortunately, he got a season ending shoulder injury. That said, he has the skills and the smarts to play in the NFL.

He's had a good off-season. Josh has grown up some (keeping his mouth shut), healed from his injuries, and put on some size. He's got some play makers around him but they have to execute. If it's all on him, Bruins are 7-5 at best. If he gets hurt again, Bruins will be lucky to get to .500.


Lee - 7/21/2017 at 12:26 PM

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Man, after all those incredible opening weekend matchups last year, was hoping that was the start of a trend. This year is a throwback to the powerhouses blowing out cupcakes tradition of the 70s and 80s.


+1 Bama vs FSU, Michigan vs The Gators are worth watching but other than that, BFD.

Friday night's game CU vs CSU should be fun. Big rivalry and both schools go at it. Grads from each schools hate each other. That's football!


I hate to wish summer away but the start of football season (especially college) is always fun.

Looking forward to Meeechigan playing a meaningful early game. I hate when I have to watch them play Bowlng Green, Eastern Michigan, et al.


nebish - 7/22/2017 at 01:26 AM

Bruins

v aTm (Sun)
v Hawaii
at Memphis
at Tree
v Buffs
BYE
at Zona
v Ducks
at UW
at Utah (Fri)
v Sparky
at SuCks
vs Kal

Love seeing the Bruins go to Mephis, which that game, just saying that is not a auto W. What is best case Sept? 4-1? Not sure which one they lose, Stanford ofcourse because they always lose to Stanford right? Last year was some **** . The opener is plenty interesting. Not sure how the division shapes up yet but here is one thing we can agree on...Beat SC!


nebish - 7/22/2017 at 01:31 AM

It isn't out of the realm of possibility that Michigan makes it into November 9-0. 4-0 open is possible and MSU and IU will be challenging but they should win both, and I'm not drinking PSU kool aid, think they step back this year ,that game is on the road, probably at night, still. So 7-0, 6-1 at that point losing to somebody along the way perhaps. They beat Rut and Min, then I really like Maryland this year, that game will be much different than last year and Blue travels to them, travels to Bucky and Madison is always a bitch to play at, then gets OSU at home to close. The last 3 games will make or break the season I think.


nebish - 7/22/2017 at 01:38 AM

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/ole-miss/2017/07/20/hugh- freeze-resigns-ole-miss-football-coach/498101001/

In the midst of NCAA investigation, Hugh Freeze resigns after it is discovered he placed a call from his school issued cell phone to an escort service and supposedly a "disturbing pattern" was seen on examination of the cell phone records although that specific number was only called once. Those chics must not have suited him.

Just another flawed man hiding behind religion.

Lot of talent still on hand in Oxford, self imposed bowl ban this year pending NCAA sanctions. But they are a train wreck. Season starts nice and easy, then at Bama, then at Auburn, then Vandy, then LSU, then Hogs ,then at UK...what are they 5-4 best case through 9 games? 4-5 more likely.


nebish - 7/28/2017 at 11:19 AM

At Big Ten Media Days, Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh wears sideline attire...




Hawaii coach Nick Rolovich hires Elvis impersonator to accompany him at Mountain West media days in Las Vegas


nebish - 8/5/2017 at 12:04 PM

I don't know if Yahoo will have the games for the 26th, but college football games officially start in 3 weeks!! 4 weeks until the normal week 1 schedule.

Back for the 9th year, our yahoo college football pick'em league. The game selection will be 'yahoo default' and 'top 25'. Just as year's past everyone's lowest single week will be dropped. So if you get a zero for missing a week, or just really get crushed one week, no big deal as long it just happens once.

https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/college/register/joingroup

Join a private group and enter:

Group ID#: 1556
Password: clemson



Past winners:
2016 - nebish / kirbyskids (Dannyspell) (yahoo tie break goes to nebish)
2015 - Village Dawg (hoffcl)
2014 - nebish
2013 - DanB
2012 - alloak41
2011 - Wharfrat
2010 - non ABB member (leafsfan friend)
2009 - Bird


DanB - 8/5/2017 at 01:28 PM

quote:
I don't know if Yahoo will have the games for the 26th, but college football games officially start in 3 weeks!! 4 weeks until the normal week 1 schedule.

Back for the 9th year, our yahoo college football pick'em league. The game selection will be 'yahoo default' and 'top 25'. Just as year's past everyone's lowest single week will be dropped. So if you get a zero for missing a week, or just really get crushed one week, no big deal as long it just happens once.

https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/college/register/joingroup

Join a private group and enter:

Group ID#: 1556
Password: clemson



Past winners:
2016 - nebish / kirbyskids (Dannyspell) (yahoo tie break goes to nebish)
2015 - Village Dawg (hoffcl)
2014 - nebish
2013 - DanB
2012 - alloak41
2011 - Wharfrat
2010 - non ABB member (leafsfan friend)
2009 - Bird


looking forward to it

also need an NFL fantasy league


nebish - 8/16/2017 at 12:17 PM

Real live football in 10 days!

Those "week 0" games are not part of the yahoo pick'em league, for that week 1 starts the week of the 28th. But it is right around the corner!!


nebish - 8/21/2017 at 04:34 PM

AP poll released

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Florida State
4. USC
5. Clemson
6. Penn State
7. Oklahoma
8. Washington
9. Wisconsin
10. Oklahoma St
11. Michigan
12. Auburn
13. LSU
14. Stanford
15. Georgia
16. Louisville
17. Florida
18. Miami
19. USF
20. Kansas State
21. Virginia Tech
22. West Virginia
23. Texas
24. Washington State
25. Tennessee


nebish - 8/21/2017 at 04:40 PM

I predict Penn State will not finish in the top 10 at year's end

Looking back at overrated preseason top 10 teams:

The most overrated showing preseason rank and final regular season record (not including bowl win/loss).

1998 Arizona St #8 - 5-6

1999 Arizona #4 - 6-6

2000 Alabama #3 - 3-8

2001 Florida State #7 - 7-4

2002 Florida State #3 - 9-4 (also Tenn #5 - 8-4, Fl #6 - 8-4)

2003 Auburn #6 - 7-5

2004 Ohio St #9 - 7-4

2005 Tennessee #3 - 5-6 (also Michigan #4 - 7-4, Oklahoma #7 7-4)

2006 Notre Dame #2 - 10-2
* they're the most logical of all 06 teams in my mind as they faced 2 teams in the top 15 and lost both badly, when you factor in the Sugar Bowl vs #4 LSU it shows the unjustified #2 ranking in August.

2007 Michigan #5 - 8-4 (also #9 Louisville 6-6)

2008 Auburn #10 - 5-7 (lots of others in 2008: Georgia #1 9-3 3rd overall SEC, Missouri #6 9-4 5th overall Big 12, LSU#7 7-5 losing record in SEC, West Virginia #8 8-4 3rd Big East, Clemson #9 7-5 .500 ACC record)

2009 Ole Miss #8 - 8-4 (lost first game in week 3 and was handled by #20 Bama 22-3 two weeks later) (Oklahoma was preseason #3 and finished 7-5, but they also had starting QB lost for season in week 1)

2010 Texas #4 - 5-7(also Florida #3 7-5 and Iowa #10 7-5)

2011 Oklahoma #1 - 9-3 (lost to unranked T Tech, barely ranked Baylor and #3 OSU), also: Florida State #5 - 8-4 (lost 3 games in a row to OU, Clem, Wake and later to Virginia *starting QB injured during 3 game losing streak), Texas A&M #9 - 6-6 (what a mess they were).

2012 #1 USC 7-6 lost Sun Bowl to GT. #8 Michigan 8-5 lost Outback bowl to SC. #10 Arkansas 4-8

2013 #10 Florida 4-8. #5 Georgia garnered 1 first place vote finished 8-5 with an Outback bowl loss. #7 Texas A&M 8-4 before beating Duke in the Chick-fill-A bowl.

2014 #4 Oklahoma 8-4 before 6-40 bowl loss. #6 Auburn 8-4 before Outback bowl loss. #9 SC pulled over .500 with a Independence bowl win.

2015 #2 TCU 10-2 prior to Alamo Bowl win, not a bowl becoming to a preseason #2. #6 Auburn 6-6, pulled over .500 by beating Memphis in Birmingham bowl. #7 Oregon with loss to TCU in Alamo bowl. #8 USC 8-6 with a loss to Wisconsin in Holiday Bowl. #9 Georgia was 5-3 in October.

2016 #9 Notre Dame 4-8 disaster. #7 Stanford was 4-3 at one point, but did finish 10-3. #10 Tennessee 8-4 reg ssn (4-4 SEC). #6 LSU was 2-2 after Sept and 7-4 reg ssn



[Edited on 8/21/2017 by nebish]

[Edited on 8/21/2017 by nebish]


Lee - 8/24/2017 at 11:54 AM

Got into my college pick 'rm pool the other day. Can't believe it's almost that time.

If anyone wants to get in, I can do it. Just a $30 buy in. There's a weekly winner and an end of year one as well.

First weekend is going to be interesting!


nebish - 8/24/2017 at 03:01 PM

quote:
Got into my college pick 'rm pool the other day. Can't believe it's almost that time.

If anyone wants to get in, I can do it. Just a $30 buy in. There's a weekly winner and an end of year one as well.

First weekend is going to be interesting!


Details? Are everyone's picks done on a website? I might be interested in playing.

We have 7 friendly faces in our yahoo ABB pick'em league, some other frequent players yet to sign up.


Dannyspell - 8/24/2017 at 03:19 PM

It's getting close. I feel a a lot better about my Dawg's this year..


leafsfan - 8/25/2017 at 07:03 PM

I'm in for the win!!!! GO DUCKS!!! WTD!!!


nebish - 8/25/2017 at 11:58 PM

This is the last Friday night without college football until the second week of December!

College football every Saturday tomorrow - January!!


nebish - 8/26/2017 at 01:43 AM

quote:
It's getting close. I feel a a lot better about my Dawg's this year..


I just noticed what I suspect is an oddity that is probably old news for UGA fans. No defensive player last year was All SEC? Looking at that roster there is a TON of experience in most of that two-deep. Would figure for some improvement out of the D, secondary remaining slight concern I suppose?

Looking to see how Eason improves, which in year two is quite likely so long as the OL and WR units also improve to support his growth.

I like the opener vs App St. App St is really good so should be good test. They nearly beat the Vols as we know, but Miami crushed them with an abundance of big plays last year.


oldcoot - 8/26/2017 at 02:45 PM

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quote:
Got into my college pick 'rm pool the other day. Can't believe it's almost that time.

If anyone wants to get in, I can do it. Just a $30 buy in. There's a weekly winner and an end of year one as well.

First weekend is going to be interesting!


Details? Are everyone's picks done on a website? I might be interested in playing.

We have 7 friendly faces in our yahoo ABB pick'em league, some other frequent players yet to sign up.



I may even jump back in this year, haven't yet decided.


oldcoot - 8/26/2017 at 02:47 PM

Neb, what's the over/under Vegas line on Husker wins this year?

I can see anywhere from 6-6 to 8-4. Depending how the season unfolds, they may not win a game the last month.


nebish - 8/26/2017 at 05:59 PM

quote:
I may even jump back in this year, haven't yet decided.


Gameday today!! You have week to get in our pool if you like. leafsfan just got back on board! Not sure about Lee's group.



quote:
Neb, what's the over/under Vegas line on Husker wins this year?

I can see anywhere from 6-6 to 8-4. Depending how the season unfolds, they may not win a game the last month.


I didn't go to Vegas this year. If the odds are anything like what I see the two places I look online Nebraska Ov7 -105, Un7 -125 - or Ov7 +105, Un7 -125.

Nebraska should be pretty interesting with Tanner Lee at QB. He was pretty good at Tulane, but limited by the surrounding personnel, atleast that is what we think. Then I really like Diaco at DC, a smooth switch to 3-4 will be key. Losing the top 2 LBs from last year and now they need to add an extra starter to that group. Sucks that Chris Jones got hurt.

Schedule is fairly tough considering they pull Ohio St and at Penn St from the East and travel to Eugene. Given the recent history vs Urban Meyer at Ohio St that game wouldn't appear winnable. Wisconsin and NW will be tough, as will Iowa, those aren't unwinnable though. Then there is the unexpected hiccup along the way....I think they can beat Penn St but I am not that high on the Nits. I think 8 or more is definitely attainable if they just play to potential and get a strong start.


nebish - 8/26/2017 at 06:05 PM

Not sure I remember a school President talking pregame trash before!!

quote:


At FSU's Alumni Association's Kickoff luncheon Friday, the 73-year old Thrasher fired up the Seminoles' faithful.

"I shouldn't talk too much trash, but I think we're gonna beat Alabama pretty bad next week," Thrasher said. "I really do."

http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2017/08/florida_state_presidents_talks.ht ml



oldcoot - 8/26/2017 at 06:29 PM

Neb, check your PM's


Dannyspell - 8/27/2017 at 12:24 PM

Georgia did go out and get some depth at DB position although young and unproven. From what I'm hearing out of Athens their is improvement along the O-line (it couldn't get any worse than last year). WR receiver position looks much better than last year some good depth there. On paper they should have a clear shot to Atlanta. But we are talking about Georgia football. Anything can happen. 10 starters return from a good defense so that should be a strong point..


Dannyspell - 8/27/2017 at 12:33 PM

Speaking of O-lines if FSU hasn't fixed it problems it'going to be along night against Bama.


Lee - 8/28/2017 at 10:17 AM

quote:
quote:
Got into my college pick 'rm pool the other day. Can't believe it's almost that time.

If anyone wants to get in, I can do it. Just a $30 buy in. There's a weekly winner and an end of year one as well.

First weekend is going to be interesting!


Details? Are everyone's picks done on a website? I might be interested in playing.

We have 7 friendly faces in our yahoo ABB pick'em league, some other frequent players yet to sign up.


PM me your email address and I can forward the rules. Anyone else interested as well.


leafsfan - 8/28/2017 at 08:07 PM

quote:
This is the last Friday night without college football until the second week of December!

College football every Saturday tomorrow - January!!


Feel bad counting down the days of summer just to watch football but I do it anyway. ROLL DUCKS ROLL!!!!


nebish - 8/28/2017 at 11:41 PM

GAME WEEK!!!


DanB - 8/29/2017 at 10:47 AM

the big week is here

Go Tigers!!


Lee - 8/29/2017 at 11:30 AM

quote:
the big week is here

Go Tigers!!



Detroit plays football now? Makes sense, they can't play baseball.


nebish - 8/31/2017 at 02:34 AM

Tomorrow!!!

We have a "great bunch" in the pick'em. Still time for anyone else to sign up, first game for that is Friday.

How about all the Florida suspensions?!? RB Scarlet suspended today in that debit card thing. WR Calloway already out as part of what, 10 guys suspended for this game. Not all were key players, but a couple are. Figures to be a low scoring game, would be surprised if either team topped 20 pts.

S Caro vs NC St in Charlotte should be a pretty good game. NC St getting some hype this year, not sure how they possibly finish higher than 4th in that division though. Muschamp finally has an Offense, the D - well not so much.

Troy at Boise...watch out, just saying!

Wonder if a IAA team is going to beat an IA this week. Probably. YSU at Pitt, James Madison at ECU, E Was at T TEch, UNI at ISU? Wazzou has lost to a IAA two years in a row, they face Mont St.


StratDal - 8/31/2017 at 02:46 AM

GO BRUINS! BEAT THE AGGIES!


nebish - 8/31/2017 at 04:14 PM

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GO BRUINS! BEAT THE AGGIES!


You'll be in attendance? I'm hoping for a packed house full of enthusiasm!! aTm fans will probably travel well with the long weekend and all I'd assume.


nebish - 9/2/2017 at 03:34 PM

Heads up in the yahoo pick'em, just for fairness to tell everyone, it looks like yahoo has two underdogs favored. You may want to look back over things, I mean it's only like a once in a decade type chance to take Alabama +7.5!!!!

Any time it says "off" that means just pick the straight up winner (don't leave it blank).

Enjoy the first Saturday of the season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IPowrie - 9/3/2017 at 05:48 AM

Michigans defense looked really good. Just need some better play from the QB.

To bad Western Michigan couldn't beat USC


oldcoot - 9/4/2017 at 02:32 PM

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Wonder if a IAA team is going to beat an IA this week. Probably. YSU at Pitt, James Madison at ECU, E Was at T TEch, UNI at ISU? Wazzou has lost to a IAA two years in a row, they face Mont St.



How about Howard beating UNLV as a 45 point underdog? Largest underdog ever to win outright.

$100 money line on Howard to win would have paid $71,000.

Crazy comeback by UCLA. Looks like those two defenses will be giving up a ton of points this year. How do you bounce back from giving away a 34 point third quarter lead?


leafsfan - 9/4/2017 at 05:15 PM

Hey now, great weekend so far of football and more football. Sucks living on the west coast of Canada. We got VTech game last night but no UCLA comeback game or USC close one the night before.

Did anyone here join AJ's pickem pool this year?

ROLL the QUACK!!! Nebraska better know how to play D this coming Sunday!!!


nebish - 9/4/2017 at 10:40 PM

Yeah Nebraska at Oregon will be a good one!!

Game vs Ark St was entertaining, a little too close for comfort for those in the land of corn huh coot?

Where the heck is stratdal at?!?!...to be a UCLA fan and be so so low during that game not only to be brought back to life but served one of the best comebacks ever! Maybe he is still speechless.

Agree IPowrie, I finally have access to PAC 12 Network this year and was keeping an eye on that WM game. Broncos look like a team to be reckoned with again this year. Wish they could've upset those overrated soft Trojans.

How about those boys in blue...or I mean maize. Michigan D may just be better than last year, they looked pretty fast vs that SEC speed on O. Then again, Florida is never that good on O even when they are at full strength these days.

Bill's atop the yahoo pick'em. Some week! Not sure what to take away from the UK-SMiss game. Your thoughts appreciated if you are around. The OL and running game would be a disappointment, but hey, atleast Cats didn't lose to the Golden Eagles this year - probably because SMiss is down at QB compared to last year.


nebish - 9/5/2017 at 01:03 AM

quote:
How about Howard beating UNLV as a 45 point underdog? Largest underdog ever to win outright.

$100 money line on Howard to win would have paid $71,000.


I know Vegas lines UNLV now, not sure they would've offered that money line or it was online only. Either way maybe check out what kind of wagers were made ,as in like any of the UNLV coaching staff!

Baylor is probably really happy since that Howard upset is taking attention away from Baylor losing to Liberty as a 31 or something dog. Liberty coached by Turner Gill.


StratDal - 9/5/2017 at 03:29 PM

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GO BRUINS! BEAT THE AGGIES!


You'll be in attendance? I'm hoping for a packed house full of enthusiasm!! aTm fans will probably travel well with the long weekend and all I'd assume.


I was there until the middle of the third. Totally disgusted by UCLA's performance (same crap as last season) and decided to leave. When we get to my truck and turned on the radio, it was 44-24 and Mrs. Strat said, "Watch the Bruins comeback since we leaving now." Well that's what happened. Congrats to the team and coaches for not giving up. It also helped that aTm's starting QB had to leave the game which helped UCLA defense the run better.

While I'm glad the Bruins came back, they still can't run the ball, OL sucks, and the defense still gives up big plays. I'm hoping the coaches decide to just put Josh in the shotgun full time, keep a back to help block and let him throw the ball. He's smart, throws quick, and has some decent receivers. It's the only way I see UCLA moving the chains.

Lots of Aggie fans and they were fun to talk shop with. I'm sure they had a very long flight home but I know the feeling. That's football.

GO BRUINS! BEAT THE WARRIORS!


oldcoot - 9/6/2017 at 06:13 PM

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Yeah Nebraska at Oregon will be a good one!!

Game vs Ark St was entertaining, a little too close for comfort for those in the land of corn huh coot?

Where the heck is stratdal at?!?!...to be a UCLA fan and be so so low during that game not only to be brought back to life but served one of the best comebacks ever! Maybe he is still speechless.

Agree IPowrie, I finally have access to PAC 12 Network this year and was keeping an eye on that WM game. Broncos look like a team to be reckoned with again this year. Wish they could've upset those overrated soft Trojans.

How about those boys in blue...or I mean maize. Michigan D may just be better than last year, they looked pretty fast vs that SEC speed on O. Then again, Florida is never that good on O even when they are at full strength these days.

Bill's atop the yahoo pick'em. Some week! Not sure what to take away from the UK-SMiss game. Your thoughts appreciated if you are around. The OL and running game would be a disappointment, but hey, atleast Cats didn't lose to the Golden Eagles this year - probably because SMiss is down at QB compared to last year.


Well, I wasn't at all surprised by the outcome as I had my $$$ on Arky State.

We played a base defense and didn't blitz at all until the final series. Hard to cover guys if the front three aren't putting any pressure on the QB. I've thought all along we're a 7-5 team. I do think it's a huge overreaction to make us +14 this weekend. Oregon will win but it'll be closer than that. 38-31 perhaps.

It doesn't help that right now I don't think we have the needed positional personnel for the switch to the 3-4.


Jerry - 9/7/2017 at 08:31 PM

I hope the Bulldogs beat Notre Dame this weekend. Last time we beat them, we had a national championship.


Lee - 9/7/2017 at 08:34 PM

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I hope the Bulldogs beat Notre Dame this weekend. Last time we beat them, we had a national championship.


I think I was about 12 or 13 when that happened.

But it's not like they play each other all the time.


nebish - 9/7/2017 at 11:54 PM

Read about the Nebraska D vs Ark St, seemed Diaco wanted them to give up yards until the Red Zone, banking on them making a mistake to end their own drives. He says he was actually pleased with how the players performed except for some missed tackles that turned normal plays into big gainers.

The 14 pt spread vs Oregon is just ridiculous. Now Oregon may win by that or more, but to line it that way, as if we are dealing with the 2014 Mariotta led Ducks or something, and remember how bad that Oregon D has gotten? But that line got to 14 from a much lower opening number, I saw it at 10. Game of Year line had it -7. Just don't think we really know enough about either team to justify such a huge jump in the spread. Both offenses should do well, I'll give the edge to Oregon on O. And for Neb on D, I think their gameplan will be alot different this week. Playing bend-don't-break vs Oregon O will be bad for their health.


nebish - 9/7/2017 at 11:55 PM

Georgia at Notre Dame, Auburn at Clemson, Oklahoma at Ohio State and Stanford at USC. All 4 awesome games all on the same time. Get that remote control ready to channel surf!


Lee - 9/8/2017 at 12:28 PM

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Georgia at Notre Dame, Auburn at Clemson, Oklahoma at Ohio State and Stanford at USC. All 4 awesome games all on the same time. Get that remote control ready to channel surf!


We don't get the Stanford/USC game here in Chicago so I guess I only have three to pick from.

Most of the Big Ten (14?) games are early. The only mid afternoon game I might have an interest in is Penn St/Pitt. Good rivalry match up. But I am sensing a nap in my future at that point.




nebish - 9/8/2017 at 01:14 PM

Stanford/USC should be on Fox national network.

For all those good night games, I am going to have a financial investment in the New Mexico State at New Mexico game...Battle of I-25. It's streaming live on facebook, just something else to divide up my attention!


Lee - 9/8/2017 at 01:30 PM

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Stanford/USC should be on Fox national network.

For all those good night games, I am going to have a financial investment in the New Mexico State at New Mexico game...Battle of I-25. It's streaming live on facebook, just something else to divide up my attention!


State and the points.


StratDal - 9/8/2017 at 04:24 PM

GO BRUINS! BEAT THE WARRIORS! (No second half heroics either please. Get it done from the start.)


nebish - 9/8/2017 at 04:30 PM

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Stanford/USC should be on Fox national network.

For all those good night games, I am going to have a financial investment in the New Mexico State at New Mexico game...Battle of I-25. It's streaming live on facebook, just something else to divide up my attention!


State and the points.


Yup!! Sprinkle some ML in as well!

I saw alot of positives out of Aggies in week 1. NM will be normal self on O under Davie, but they are replacing 8 of their top 9 tacklers including Cox who led them in tackles the last 4 years and an all new secondary! State won last year, 2015 State was leading throughout until QB Rogers got hurt in the 4th. Rose DNP last year, in 2015 he ran for like 260 on the Lobos. Last 3 years the games have been decided by a total of 13 pts. They have this kid Demby who gained 40 lbs this offseason! He had 5.5 TFL vs Az St week 1, didn't play much last year. I'm really high on New Mex State right now!


Lee - 9/8/2017 at 07:34 PM

Who bets on a team from New Mexico?





Hell, who even knows where New Mexico is?


nebish - 9/9/2017 at 12:08 AM

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Who bets on a team from New Mexico?





Hell, who even knows where New Mexico is?


Haha, well I think I could point on a map to where Albuquerque is, not sure on Las Cruses though!

I love games like that, truth be known, I would rather watch a game like this than a Oklahoma-Ohio St for instance. I love all of it, but if I had to choose I'd rather get into the midmajor games. Some day when I get fed up with all the noise in major college football I could see myself just following FCS/IAA.


nebish - 9/9/2017 at 12:19 AM

leafsfan....your pick list is empty!


Lee - 9/9/2017 at 12:05 PM

A couple of good Big Ten games on TV this morning (games start at 11:00 here).

Northwestern/Duke: The nerd bowl.

Iowa/Iowa State: Great rivalry game.

The Michigan and Wisconsin games are also on then but they should be blowouts.





Lee - 9/9/2017 at 06:53 PM

Kicking myself for not taking Cincy. Figured Michigan would kill them but not by 34.5. They never beat anyone by that much.


DanB - 9/10/2017 at 01:04 PM

12 sacks by the Clemson defense last night. What a strong effort!


oldcoot - 9/10/2017 at 02:35 PM

Easy cover by the Huskers yesterday....


oldcoot - 9/10/2017 at 02:40 PM

Had a realistic chance to tie things with several minutes left. Talk about two completely different halves.

Went 6-2 with dogs yesterday against the local sports accountant, finished off by two outright winners with Minnesota & San Diego State. 2-2 on favorites.

Pained me to bet K State, but, they were playing some gal named Charlotte. Had to take 'em.


Lee - 9/10/2017 at 03:00 PM

I started out very good. Then the late games occurred. Ugh! So I didn't do well in the pool but I did win a few bucks so the day was okay. Sill mad at myself for not betting against Michigan. And Wisconsin for that matter.

Nice to see Ohio State lose.

[Edited on 9/13/2017 by Lee]


nebish - 9/12/2017 at 10:39 PM

That was a GREAT weekend of cfb!

Now where the **** is Bhawk at? First his Chiefs beat the Patriots then his Sooners beat the Ohio State Bucks on the road....c'mon man I know you are out there. Can't possibly get any better at your house from a football perspective! BOOMER...

The pick'em league is set to drop our lowest week, I don't know why it isn't but it might just do it at the end or something.


Bhawk - 9/14/2017 at 12:18 PM

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Now where the **** is Bhawk at? First his Chiefs beat the Patriots then his Sooners beat the Ohio State Bucks on the road....c'mon man I know you are out there. Can't possibly get any better at your house from a football perspective! BOOMER...




I never brag about the Chiefs, and ya, that was a helluva start to the season.

But, beating Ohio State in the Horseshoe?

PLANT THAT FLAG!!!


nebish - 9/14/2017 at 09:18 PM

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Now where the **** is Bhawk at? First his Chiefs beat the Patriots then his Sooners beat the Ohio State Bucks on the road....c'mon man I know you are out there. Can't possibly get any better at your house from a football perspective! BOOMER...




I never brag about the Chiefs, and ya, that was a helluva start to the season.

But, beating Ohio State in the Horseshoe?

PLANT THAT FLAG!!!




Good to see you around the neighborhood.

I was plenty happy at the OU win even though several close friends and family were sick over it. Loved seeing Stoops going nuts in the box. Loved seeing OSU D wiff on open field tacklers. Loved seeing Baker on the sideline put that team on his shoulders. Loved post game celebration. Only bad thing about the game was Herbie and Fowler. Those two are perhaps my least favs, that is now that Vern and Cunningham are gone.

How about Tubberville doing games now? Little dry but I like when he digs some story up from "the day".

OU's challenge now is don't lose one they aren't supposed to. Like Okie Lite this week at Pitt.


Lee - 9/14/2017 at 10:02 PM

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Now where the **** is Bhawk at? First his Chiefs beat the Patriots then his Sooners beat the Ohio State Bucks on the road....c'mon man I know you are out there. Can't possibly get any better at your house from a football perspective! BOOMER...




I never brag about the Chiefs, and ya, that was a helluva start to the season.

But, beating Ohio State in the Horseshoe?

PLANT THAT FLAG!!!





In concrete? How did that work out for him?


Lee - 9/15/2017 at 10:35 AM

Not too many good games this weekend. Florida/Tennessee & Clemson/Louisville are about it.


leafsfan - 9/15/2017 at 04:17 PM

Boise New Mexico was shaping up to be a good game last night until Boise player destroyed the QB with a hit to the chin. Brutal hit.

Replacement QB wasn't that bad but game was done with the hit.

Like to see someone start beating up on SC. I think SC misses both Oregon and Washington this year, well until the PAC12 Championship.

DUCKS!!!


nebish - 9/15/2017 at 04:19 PM

The hell you say no good games!

Kansas St at Vandy
Stanford at San Diego St
Wisconsin at BYU
Texas at USC
Ok St at Pitt
SMU at TCU
LSU at Miss St

Underdog could win in those I think.


nebish - 9/15/2017 at 04:19 PM

Oh and UCLA at Memphis


StratDal - 9/15/2017 at 11:32 PM

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Oh and UCLA at Memphis


Josh is on a roll. Just keep him off the turf and the Bruins will score plenty of points. Unfortunately, the defense is thin and our run game still stinks.

GO BRUINS! BEAT THE TIGERS!


Bhawk - 9/16/2017 at 03:43 PM

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The hell you say no good games!

Kansas St at Vandy
Stanford at San Diego St
Wisconsin at BYU
Texas at USC
Ok St at Pitt
SMU at TCU
LSU at Miss St

Underdog could win in those I think.


I'm intrigued by the Cal-Ole Miss matchup. A reason to stay up later.

Halfway inclined to take BYU a little seriously. We'll find out today.

Oklahoma State needs to make a statement. Gundy needs to lose that mullet.

I hope Texas loses 150-0.

I love this time of year.


StratDal - 9/16/2017 at 10:07 PM

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Oh and UCLA at Memphis


Josh is on a roll. Just keep him off the turf and the Bruins will score plenty of points. Unfortunately, the defense is thin and our run game still stinks.

GO BRUINS! BEAT THE TIGERS!


Well they did score plenty of points... Memphis just scored 3 more... Granted the success of the team depends on Josh but he still threw some ill advised passes.

Bruins play Stanford next Saturday. They haven't been them since 2008. Good bet that streak will get extended.


Bhawk - 9/17/2017 at 04:48 AM

LSU

Nebraska

K-State


oldcoot - 9/17/2017 at 01:10 PM

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LSU

Nebraska

K-State


I saw two of those three happening.

I knew we were not very good, but, come on Huskers... Was thinking we'd be anywhere from 7-5 to 5-7, but that didn't include yesterday's game. Both Reilly & Eichorst should be updating their resumes and checking the Help Wanted ads.

Also, Tanner Lee is horrible. That is all....


nebish - 9/17/2017 at 02:50 PM

College football is so fun! Man do I love Saturday's in the fall!!!!

Nebraska was actually 1 of my 3 favorite bets yesterday and other than the pick-sixes it didn't go too unexpectedly. Northern Illinois used to have some really good teams, went to the Orange Bowl one year. But most the personnel on O they have now wouldn't be in the 2-deep on those former teams. Their QBs are one step up above career backups, they lack playmakers and gamebreakers they used to have on O. I thought it set up for a 42-10 type Nebraska win.

Nebraska marched right down the field on their first drive and their last drive of the first half, ended in pick-six and a deflected FG attempt. As bad as Nebraska's D has looked this season, the D was good yesterday, probably because of their opponent, but the D did what they were supposed to do vs an average MAC team and that was without some of best Corn D players on the field. NILL just doesn't threaten you at all any more. Now I undervalued their D, it is solid, Tanner Lee gift wrapped all of their highlights though.

Down 0-14, fortunately I took Neb -8 in the 2nd half to recoup some of the loss.

But yes, that is as ugly of a loss as Nebraska has had. It isn't like they lost to 2016 Western Michigan, or San Diego St, or some really good mid-major...they lost to a regressing MAC team who didn't even make a bowl last year. That was sad

UCLA lost to a pretty good Memphis team. They still should win that game if UCLA is who you think they should be, but Memphis is pretty good. Pitiful D, terrible OL play, no running game and a QB forced to do too much. Poor Bruins.

Loved watching that Texas D last night, man that game had edge of seat drama. That USC TD right before HT is inexcusable and SC's 2m drill to force OT was great, Darnold was under constant pressure and made some strong throws. Loved that game. Texas O and QB just a little too underdeveloped.

So many interesting and fun games yesterday.

Hey how about those Kentucky Wildcats? 3-0. Can they legitimately challenge in the East? 30 straight loses vs the Gators is up next in Lexington.


IPowrie - 9/17/2017 at 03:04 PM

Went to the Michigan game yesterday. It is always fun to be in Ann Arbor on game day. The game was good though closer than it should have been. Michigan won't go anywhere in the Big Ten without better QB play.

Looking at getting Penn State-Michigan State tickets. Never been to Spartan Stadium.


alanwoods - 9/18/2017 at 02:21 PM

Butch **** the bed in Gainesville. Next?

I thought they should have fired his sorry ass after losing to Vandy last year. If you're a Tennessee coach, you don't lose to Vandy.


DanB - 9/19/2017 at 10:50 AM

Lamar who?


oldcoot - 9/19/2017 at 03:25 PM

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College football is so fun! Man do I love Saturday's in the fall!!!!

Nebraska was actually 1 of my 3 favorite bets yesterday and other than the pick-sixes it didn't go too unexpectedly. Northern Illinois used to have some really good teams, went to the Orange Bowl one year. But most the personnel on O they have now wouldn't be in the 2-deep on those former teams. Their QBs are one step up above career backups, they lack playmakers and gamebreakers they used to have on O. I thought it set up for a 42-10 type Nebraska win.

Nebraska marched right down the field on their first drive and their last drive of the first half, ended in pick-six and a deflected FG attempt. As bad as Nebraska's D has looked this season, the D was good yesterday, probably because of their opponent, but the D did what they were supposed to do vs an average MAC team and that was without some of best Corn D players on the field. NILL just doesn't threaten you at all any more. Now I undervalued their D, it is solid, Tanner Lee gift wrapped all of their highlights though.

Down 0-14, fortunately I took Neb -8 in the 2nd half to recoup some of the loss.

But yes, that is as ugly of a loss as Nebraska has had. It isn't like they lost to 2016 Western Michigan, or San Diego St, or some really good mid-major...they lost to a regressing MAC team who didn't even make a bowl last year. That was sad

UCLA lost to a pretty good Memphis team. They still should win that game if UCLA is who you think they should be, but Memphis is pretty good. Pitiful D, terrible OL play, no running game and a QB forced to do too much. Poor Bruins.

Loved watching that Texas D last night, man that game had edge of seat drama. That USC TD right before HT is inexcusable and SC's 2m drill to force OT was great, Darnold was under constant pressure and made some strong throws. Loved that game. Texas O and QB just a little too underdeveloped.

So many interesting and fun games yesterday.

Hey how about those Kentucky Wildcats? 3-0. Can they legitimately challenge in the East? 30 straight loses vs the Gators is up next in Lexington.




Honestly, it's the first time that I can recall this, as they left the field at halftime, the home crowd booing the team. It wasn't just a few people, it was a lot, easily audible on the tv broadcast. Actually, they deserved it.


Lee - 9/19/2017 at 08:33 PM

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College football is so fun! Man do I love Saturday's in the fall!!!!

Nebraska was actually 1 of my 3 favorite bets yesterday and other than the pick-sixes it didn't go too unexpectedly. Northern Illinois used to have some really good teams, went to the Orange Bowl one year. But most the personnel on O they have now wouldn't be in the 2-deep on those former teams. Their QBs are one step up above career backups, they lack playmakers and gamebreakers they used to have on O. I thought it set up for a 42-10 type Nebraska win.

Nebraska marched right down the field on their first drive and their last drive of the first half, ended in pick-six and a deflected FG attempt. As bad as Nebraska's D has looked this season, the D was good yesterday, probably because of their opponent, but the D did what they were supposed to do vs an average MAC team and that was without some of best Corn D players on the field. NILL just doesn't threaten you at all any more. Now I undervalued their D, it is solid, Tanner Lee gift wrapped all of their highlights though.

Down 0-14, fortunately I took Neb -8 in the 2nd half to recoup some of the loss.

But yes, that is as ugly of a loss as Nebraska has had. It isn't like they lost to 2016 Western Michigan, or San Diego St, or some really good mid-major...they lost to a regressing MAC team who didn't even make a bowl last year. That was sad

UCLA lost to a pretty good Memphis team. They still should win that game if UCLA is who you think they should be, but Memphis is pretty good. Pitiful D, terrible OL play, no running game and a QB forced to do too much. Poor Bruins.

Loved watching that Texas D last night, man that game had edge of seat drama. That USC TD right before HT is inexcusable and SC's 2m drill to force OT was great, Darnold was under constant pressure and made some strong throws. Loved that game. Texas O and QB just a little too underdeveloped.

So many interesting and fun games yesterday.

Hey how about those Kentucky Wildcats? 3-0. Can they legitimately challenge in the East? 30 straight loses vs the Gators is up next in Lexington.




Honestly, it's the first time that I can recall this, as they left the field at halftime, the home crowd booing the team. It wasn't just a few people, it was a lot, easily audible on the tv broadcast. Actually, they deserved it.


Wait til they lose to App State at home some day. Then you'll really feel bad.


shep66 - 9/20/2017 at 01:26 AM

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I predict Penn State will not finish in the top 10 at year's end

Looking back at overrated preseason top 10 teams:

The most overrated showing preseason rank and final regular season record (not including bowl win/loss).

1998 Arizona St #8 - 5-6

1999 Arizona #4 - 6-6

2000 Alabama #3 - 3-8

2001 Florida State #7 - 7-4

2002 Florida State #3 - 9-4 (also Tenn #5 - 8-4, Fl #6 - 8-4)

2003 Auburn #6 - 7-5

2004 Ohio St #9 - 7-4

2005 Tennessee #3 - 5-6 (also Michigan #4 - 7-4, Oklahoma #7 7-4)

2006 Notre Dame #2 - 10-2
* they're the most logical of all 06 teams in my mind as they faced 2 teams in the top 15 and lost both badly, when you factor in the Sugar Bowl vs #4 LSU it shows the unjustified #2 ranking in August.

2007 Michigan #5 - 8-4 (also #9 Louisville 6-6)

2008 Auburn #10 - 5-7 (lots of others in 2008: Georgia #1 9-3 3rd overall SEC, Missouri #6 9-4 5th overall Big 12, LSU#7 7-5 losing record in SEC, West Virginia #8 8-4 3rd Big East, Clemson #9 7-5 .500 ACC record)

2009 Ole Miss #8 - 8-4 (lost first game in week 3 and was handled by #20 Bama 22-3 two weeks later) (Oklahoma was preseason #3 and finished 7-5, but they also had starting QB lost for season in week 1)

2010 Texas #4 - 5-7(also Florida #3 7-5 and Iowa #10 7-5)

2011 Oklahoma #1 - 9-3 (lost to unranked T Tech, barely ranked Baylor and #3 OSU), also: Florida State #5 - 8-4 (lost 3 games in a row to OU, Clem, Wake and later to Virginia *starting QB injured during 3 game losing streak), Texas A&M #9 - 6-6 (what a mess they were).

2012 #1 USC 7-6 lost Sun Bowl to GT. #8 Michigan 8-5 lost Outback bowl to SC. #10 Arkansas 4-8

2013 #10 Florida 4-8. #5 Georgia garnered 1 first place vote finished 8-5 with an Outback bowl loss. #7 Texas A&M 8-4 before beating Duke in the Chick-fill-A bowl.

2014 #4 Oklahoma 8-4 before 6-40 bowl loss. #6 Auburn 8-4 before Outback bowl loss. #9 SC pulled over .500 with a Independence bowl win.

2015 #2 TCU 10-2 prior to Alamo Bowl win, not a bowl becoming to a preseason #2. #6 Auburn 6-6, pulled over .500 by beating Memphis in Birmingham bowl. #7 Oregon with loss to TCU in Alamo bowl. #8 USC 8-6 with a loss to Wisconsin in Holiday Bowl. #9 Georgia was 5-3 in October.

2016 #9 Notre Dame 4-8 disaster. #7 Stanford was 4-3 at one point, but did finish 10-3. #10 Tennessee 8-4 reg ssn (4-4 SEC). #6 LSU was 2-2 after Sept and 7-4 reg ssn



[Edited on 8/21/2017 by nebish]

[Edited on 8/21/2017 by nebish]



This post is kind of funny. You call out many teams from the past. This Penn State team, while you might not agree, is certainly a top 5 team. Overrated teams rooted in reality this year would include Notre Dame.

James Franklin has brought this program back to where it belongs. At the top. These players should be commended for their performance.


nebish - 9/20/2017 at 02:55 AM

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This post is kind of funny. You call out many teams from the past. This Penn State team, while you might not agree, is certainly a top 5 team. Overrated teams rooted in reality this year would include Notre Dame.

James Franklin has brought this program back to where it belongs. At the top. These players should be commended for their performance.


Regarding overrated teams related to preseason rankings...Notre Dame was not ranked top 25 preseason, so not sure how you could call them overrated when they weren't even rated.

James Franklin is kind of a dick, but he is a very good coach that is for sure.

I based my opinion on Penn State based off of what I saw last year, they were often a very good 2 qrt team, often not a very good 4 qrt team. They were outgained or even in yardage and first downs in a few of their wins indicating their lack of dominance over some of their foes. Now teams can certainly grow and improve year-over-year. They've looked great vs Akron and Georgia State this year, James Franklin ices the Ga St kicker to preserve a shut out with just a couple seconds left? Class move. Anyway, vs Pitt I thought Pitt withstood an initial wave and then PSU looked pretty human the remainder of the game. And as we know Pitt is a shell of their 2016 self.

We learn more very week, looking forward to this Saturday at Iowa. I would figure Penn State to win that game, but I do love the matchup. I'm not sure Iowa has enough O, I am looking forward to seeing the PSU O vs Iowa D. I'd rate advantage PSU but want to see it. Iowa front 7 is really good and their secondary is a little unknown.

Should be a good one Saturday night in Kinnick!


oldcoot - 9/21/2017 at 01:38 PM

I'm checking under the mattress, couch cushions, everywhere I can muster the most financial resources for the Rutgers game on Saturday. If ever there is going to be a game where Nebraska should bring ill intent it's this game. All the heat that everyone is deservedly taking, if the team isn't fired up for this one, we're staring 3-9 squarely in the face.

Huskers a two touchdown fav, I'll be all over this one.


nebish - 9/21/2017 at 09:09 PM

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I'm checking under the mattress, couch cushions, everywhere I can muster the most financial resources for the Rutgers game on Saturday. If ever there is going to be a game where Nebraska should bring ill intent it's this game. All the heat that everyone is deservedly taking, if the team isn't fired up for this one, we're staring 3-9 squarely in the face.

Huskers a two touchdown fav, I'll be all over this one.


Heard they fired the AD...and they just gave Reilly and extension a few weeks ago. More buyout money to spend when they let him go. That's really what those extensions are about, not about the years under contract, it's adjusting the buyouts to leave and compensation should the coach get let go. Think Scott Frost is ready for the jump?

I hear ya, problem is Rutgers isn't quite as bad as they were last year. I rate them better than Northern Illinois. Just need some better pass protection and Tanner Lee to stop throwing ball to wrong team. Against Os like NIU and Rutgers the D should be able to shut them down.

Rutgers has a true freshman QB they started using. Jerry Kill (Rut OC) doesn't like using 2 QBs, but he said they are going to do it with this kid. Lewis is his name. Zone read run type, not sure what his arm is like, but Bolin will be the main trigger man.

Any news on Bryant or Kalu playing this week?

[Edited on 9/21/2017 by nebish]


Bhawk - 9/21/2017 at 09:18 PM

Mizzou football is in absolute freefall.



Stunk it up last Saturday against Purdue, in Columbia.



This Saturday, Mizzou hosts Auburn.


oldcoot - 9/21/2017 at 10:07 PM

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I'm checking under the mattress, couch cushions, everywhere I can muster the most financial resources for the Rutgers game on Saturday. If ever there is going to be a game where Nebraska should bring ill intent it's this game. All the heat that everyone is deservedly taking, if the team isn't fired up for this one, we're staring 3-9 squarely in the face.

Huskers a two touchdown fav, I'll be all over this one.


Heard they fired the AD...and they just gave Reilly and extension a few weeks ago. More buyout money to spend when they let him go. That's really what those extensions are about, not about the years under contract, it's adjusting the buyouts to leave and compensation should the coach get let go. Think Scott Frost is ready for the jump?

I hear ya, problem is Rutgers isn't quite as bad as they were last year. I rate them better than Northern Illinois. Just need some better pass protection and Tanner Lee to stop throwing ball to wrong team. Against Os like NIU and Rutgers the D should be able to shut them down.

Rutgers has a true freshman QB they started using. Jerry Kill (Rut OC) doesn't like using 2 QBs, but he said they are going to do it with this kid. Lewis is his name. Zone read run type, not sure what his arm is like, but Bolin will be the main trigger man.

Any news on Bryant or Kalu playing this week?

[Edited on 9/21/2017 by nebish]


Adios Shawn Eichorst, don't let the door hit ya....

As I mentioned, hope Reilly has an updated resume too.

Heard Bryant was still limping badly as he watched practice this week. Unlikely he'll play. Not sure about Kalu.

Steve Pedersen pulled the same crap with Bill Callahan, extended him just before yet another horrendous season so the golden parachute was a little fluffier. I trace Nebraska's decline directly back to those two morons. The program hasn't made good decisions since they were brought in.

At this point, Nebraska needs to step up with some big money and get a coach who can bring in the level of talented players that the other powers have been doing.

Les Miles anyone?


nebish - 9/21/2017 at 10:27 PM

So funny listening to the Fox broadcast last week, Les Miles was horrible! Brando making excuses for him. Openly rooting for Huskers and not really adding much at all of substance to the broadcast. I'm sure Les would jump at the chance to get back in the game. But Nebraska has it's challenges in today's cfb landscape. It's been hard for them to attract the top flight coaches. I think Nebraska fans have a hard time thinking that they are just as good as Iowa or Minnesota these days and that is probably their ceiling, but I think that is reality. Times have changed and they haven't change in a positive way for Nebraska that's for sure. It is unfortunate some of the poor decisions related to staff however, it surely didn't have to be this bad for this long though.


fensranger - 9/22/2017 at 07:48 PM

Hey Scott
Beware of my Scarlet Knights!!!! LOL


nebish - 9/23/2017 at 12:21 AM

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Mizzou football is in absolute freefall.



Stunk it up last Saturday against Purdue, in Columbia.



This Saturday, Mizzou hosts Auburn.




Auburn can't score either...but they should on that Missouri D, you'd think!

quote:
Hey Scott
Beware of my Scarlet Knights!!!! LOL


Andy, I thought you were a West Point man. Rutgers should have some signs of life this year. The week 1 showing vs Washington was encouraging, bu the loss to a solid EMich team wasn't what they needed.

Strange that Game Day goes to Time Square, but no area teams are home at all. Not like they care, I guess they just want to go to Time Square. I don't pay much attention to that show any more though. if you are going down to the set maybe I'll watch. You still have any Gator gear to wear?


Lee - 9/23/2017 at 11:57 AM

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I'm checking under the mattress, couch cushions, everywhere I can muster the most financial resources for the Rutgers game on Saturday. If ever there is going to be a game where Nebraska should bring ill intent it's this game. All the heat that everyone is deservedly taking, if the team isn't fired up for this one, we're staring 3-9 squarely in the face.

Huskers a two touchdown fav, I'll be all over this one.


I assume you mean you are taking Nebraska? If so, I totally agree. I can get them at -11.5.


Lee - 9/23/2017 at 12:12 PM

A few other good games this weekend.

TCU/Oklahoma State. I know the Cowboys are good and they are at home but 14 seems like a lot. I'll take The Horned Frogs.

I think the Florida/Kentucky match up could be interesting. Florida only lost the Michigan game and they are only giving three.

Michigan State/Notre Dame is always fun. I hate Notre Dame so I am picking the Spartans.

I was going to go to the Michigan @ Purdue game but my wife doesn't want to go and I don't want to have to go with my father in law (they live right across from the stadium).


oldcoot - 9/23/2017 at 01:33 PM

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I'm checking under the mattress, couch cushions, everywhere I can muster the most financial resources for the Rutgers game on Saturday. If ever there is going to be a game where Nebraska should bring ill intent it's this game. All the heat that everyone is deservedly taking, if the team isn't fired up for this one, we're staring 3-9 squarely in the face.

Huskers a two touchdown fav, I'll be all over this one.


I assume you mean you are taking Nebraska? If so, I totally agree. I can get them at -11.5.


Yes, taking Nebraska.


oldcoot - 9/23/2017 at 01:38 PM

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James Franklin is kind of a dick, but he is a very good coach that is for sure.

... James Franklin ices the Ga St kicker to preserve a shut out with just a couple seconds left? Class move.
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There's no "kind of" about it. The score is 56-0, less than ten seconds left and it was Franklin himself that signaled the timeout.

Complete and total dick.


leafsfan - 9/24/2017 at 05:56 PM

Penn State IOWA was one for the ages. Amazing game!!! Penn State RB is incredible. Iowa D were beasts. Amazing ending.

I don' know what happened to the Ducks but I am thinking injuries are catching up on a not to deep lineup. Going 1 for 9 on third down never helps.

DUCKS!!!


fensranger - 9/25/2017 at 05:27 PM

Hey Scott,

i am still Gator fan but dont see many games anymore. Anyhow i got my Masters at Rutgers so just laughed at your email about their football team. LOL

As for Army i like them because of my nephew and its a great venue to watch a game. Anyhow was amazed that Jets won a game yesterday and of course are on their way to messing up this season by winning!!!!


nebish - 9/26/2017 at 03:27 AM

What another great weekend of college football! Wow!


nebish - 9/26/2017 at 04:14 AM

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Penn State IOWA was one for the ages. Amazing game!!! Penn State RB is incredible. Iowa D were beasts. Amazing ending.

I don' know what happened to the Ducks but I am thinking injuries are catching up on a not to deep lineup. Going 1 for 9 on third down never helps.

DUCKS!!!


Good you get the PAC 12 Network up there! Probably hurts not having leading receiver Charles Nelson out with injury from week 3 and last year's #1 receiver Carrington is now playing for Utah. Ducks battled back after trailing the entire game to take the lead late 4th, but couldn't hold on. I fell asleep in the 3rd qrt I think. I have a way to watch PAC 12 Network finally!!

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Hey Scott,

i am still Gator fan but dont see many games anymore. Anyhow i got my Masters at Rutgers so just laughed at your email about their football team. LOL

As for Army i like them because of my nephew and its a great venue to watch a game. Anyhow was amazed that Jets won a game yesterday and of course are on their way to messing up this season by winning!!!!


Glad to see you still swing by here. I'll have to get your email address sometime.


nebish - 9/29/2017 at 10:03 PM

Been looking forward to this Friday night of football all week! 4 interesting games Miama at Duke, Nebraska at Illinois, BYU at Utah St and USC at Washington State...even BYU at Utah St, teams having rough years, but the in-state rivalry factor makes it must watch for me, well I try and watch every game anyway.

SANG! The yahoo pick'em thing appears like your picks aren't saved! It shows a dash under after everyone's names in the group picks, but you only have a dash for the Miami-Duke game. So you may want to check that out.


nebish - 9/30/2017 at 01:21 PM




nebish - 9/30/2017 at 01:39 PM






oldcoot - 9/30/2017 at 04:06 PM

Keep it close Vandy!


Sang - 9/30/2017 at 05:53 PM

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Been looking forward to this Friday night of football all week! 4 interesting games Miama at Duke, Nebraska at Illinois, BYU at Utah St and USC at Washington State...even BYU at Utah St, teams having rough years, but the in-state rivalry factor makes it must watch for me, well I try and watch every game anyway.

SANG! The yahoo pick'em thing appears like your picks aren't saved! It shows a dash under after everyone's names in the group picks, but you only have a dash for the Miami-Duke game. So you may want to check that out.



Thanks - I played golf and didn't get home until late - but I did get my picks in - but I did miss the NASCAR deadline - you may have your chance.....

[Edited on 9/30/2017 by Sang]


oldcoot - 10/1/2017 at 01:51 PM

Hey Scott, any idea why the Pick 'Em numbers are off? Does it take Yahoo a while to update on the late night games?

Showing one number under the group picks rundown (which is right) and the Weekly Performance numbers don't match. Seems like the WP numbers didn't factor in those late games.

Also very curious on the spreads for the games. I had one move 3 1/2 points Saturday morning with the local sports accountant and the Yahoo number didn't budge. 3 1/2 points is a fairly significant shift, hard to believe Yahoo's didn't move at least some.


nebish - 10/1/2017 at 06:14 PM

How about Troy yesterday? 10:1 upset win in Death Valley. Looks like LSU is just about as good as a Sun Belt team now. Got pushed around at both LOS.

Coot,

I know the spreads do not move after is Friday. I used to find it weird too, but they update the spreads throuhout the week and then the final spread to use for the picks gets set Friday and never changes after that.

Let me look at the other question you had, but not sure I follow. You say "number" you mean a ranking, w/l count or point spread? Send me a pm and I will see what is going on.


oldcoot - 10/1/2017 at 07:04 PM

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How about Troy yesterday? 10:1 upset win in Death Valley. Looks like LSU is just about as good as a Sun Belt team now. Got pushed around at both LOS.

Coot,

I know the spreads do not move after is Friday. I used to find it weird too, but they update the spreads throuhout the week and then the final spread to use for the picks gets set Friday and never changes after that.

Let me look at the other question you had, but not sure I follow. You say "number" you mean a ranking, w/l count or point spread? Send me a pm and I will see what is going on.



PM sent.


oldcoot - 10/3/2017 at 03:07 PM

Looks like the tally got straightened out. Weird.


nebish - 10/6/2017 at 05:02 PM

Little big of a let down compared to last Friday's games.

How about NCSt 3-0 in the ACC...trouble for Clemson down the road?


oldcoot - 10/6/2017 at 06:01 PM

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Little big of a let down compared to last Friday's games.

How about NCSt 3-0 in the ACC...trouble for Clemson down the road?



Had the 'Pack against Lousyville.

They're solid. Against Clemson, probably can't beat the Tigers. With the number? Well, that's maybe another matter.


Lee - 10/6/2017 at 06:25 PM

Some interesting games this weekend as there always are.

I like Vandy and the points. I think they can keep it close. Plus they are at home.

Michigan is going to knock the snot out of Michigan State. Sorry for that kid QB but the backup is better IMO.

I hate betting against Florida State because I like them but I think Miami has their number.

Finally, I might go to the Northwestern/Penn State game tomorrow. If I can get over two touchdowns and I am there, what the heck, I'll take the points.

Make sure you bet against everything I said.


DanB - 10/8/2017 at 01:29 PM

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Some interesting games this weekend as there always are.


Michigan is going to knock the snot out of Michigan State. Sorry for that kid QB but the backup is better




dammit Lee I bet a $1000 on Big Blue based on this statement


Lee - 10/8/2017 at 02:16 PM

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Some interesting games this weekend as there always are.


Michigan is going to knock the snot out of Michigan State. Sorry for that kid QB but the backup is better




dammit Lee I bet a $1000 on Big Blue based on this statement


See, that's your problem Dan. They aren't called Big Blue. Never have been. Maybe you meant to bet on Kentucky.


nebish - 10/10/2017 at 01:27 PM


nebish - 10/10/2017 at 01:32 PM


nebish - 10/12/2017 at 02:39 PM

Call me crazy because this is going to sound crazy...I think Syracuse is going to give Clemson a good game. Two Friday night games this week worth watching.


leafsfan - 10/13/2017 at 10:45 PM

Your crazy!!! DABO KNOWS THE WAY!!!


DanB - 10/14/2017 at 10:29 AM

what the hell happened last night?

My blood pressure went to 167/101. I never expected Clemson to lose like that


StratDal - 10/14/2017 at 11:50 AM

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what the hell happened last night?

My blood pressure went to 167/101. I never expected Clemson to lose like that


Shows you what happens when you lose your starting QB. Clemson's defense seemed like it was playing on its back heels too.

Of course WSU does its usual "Coug It" and stinks it up against kal...

Bruins at Arizona tonight. I'd rather they were playing the Cats at home. Game of the day will be AU at LSU. This will be very physical.


Lee - 10/14/2017 at 12:10 PM

Yeah last night was surprising although I did like Syracuse and the points.

Not a ton of great games today in my opinion. Probably watch the early baseball game before I go see Mule tonight.

Gotta watch my Wolverines beat up on Indiana in the early round.

I like getting the games on at 11:00 AM.


nebish - 10/14/2017 at 01:21 PM



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That was supposed to be a $50 to win 600 ticket. My son is in Las Vegas, asked him if he had an extra 50 for the ML. That is what I got.

Bryant's ankle injury certainly aided Cuse D as did his injury before halftime. But Cuse led 17-14 at time of his injury. Syracuse scored first drive of game, nobody had done that this year. Syracuse scored 27 pts on them, nobody had done that this year.

Nobody on the schedule yet had the QB+receivers+coaching plan that Syracuse had. Lamar Jackson doesn't have the weapons. Josh Jackson doesn't have the experience. People has suspected that the Clemson secondary was vulnerable, but this was the first team equipped to exploit it. Clemson's DL and pass rush is elite, but if they don't get home on the QB you can move the ball through the air on Tiger D. That and Syracuse D is improved this year. Allowing 14pts less this year and about 150 yards less compared to 2016. The 2016 D was so bad they had alot of ground to make up, but are improved.


oldcoot - 10/14/2017 at 01:46 PM

Nice call on Syracuse, Neb.

$$$


nebish - 10/14/2017 at 02:10 PM

I'm thinking Arizona State ML tonight as well.

Really like Purdue this year, love Brohm, love DC Holt. Really like watching them play football this year. My pride is still a little hurt from last week's UW-Husker game. Historically Purdue turns it over a bunch in games like this. In fact last week they turned it over 4x in the first half! But Min could only manage a 14-7 HT lead. Good teams won't let them get away with that. But if Boilers can play a clean game might be interesting.


nebish - 10/14/2017 at 02:15 PM

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Gotta watch my Wolverines beat up on Indiana in the early round.


Michigan should just put their defense on the field for both O and D. Not sure how I see Michigan scoring many.

Indiana D is really pretty good. If you watched any of the PSU game and didn't just see the score, you'd see what I mean. They can get after you, problem is their O puts them in bad situations too often. I dno't like the Hoosier move to Ramsey at QB. Most people seem to think it is a good idea. Lagow was kind of boom or bust, but I think his arm talent is a better way to attack Mich D. Ramsey is young, doesn't have the accuracy or experience to beat Michigan. He is mobile and that is what IU coaches are going for. They have no traditional run game and are trying to get it out of the QB. Remember 2 years ago IU ran for 300y on Michigan? That was a hell of a game. Indiana's rise to fringe upset / bowl team is because their D and that run O. The running game is gone. Once the good players on D leave after this year IU is going to sink back to the bottom of the league, especially if Brohm sticks around in West Lafayette.

Probably would lean under today in that one right? I don't play many totals, am pretty selective there, but that would appear to be the best way to play the game.


nebish - 10/15/2017 at 06:40 AM


nebish - 10/15/2017 at 01:59 PM

It rained alot yesterday in Michigan! Akron at Western Michigan moved to Sunday at 1.


Lee - 10/28/2017 at 04:00 PM

Looking forward to the Ohio State / Penn State game today. Should be a good one!


Lee - 10/28/2017 at 11:18 PM

Lord how I hate Ohio State...


StratDal - 10/29/2017 at 12:41 AM

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Lord how I hate Ohio State...


Props to the Buckeyes. Tebow said yesterday on one of the football shows that Coach Meyer would get it done. He sure did.


Bhawk - 10/30/2017 at 03:47 PM

IOWA FREAKIN STATE!!!


nebish - 10/30/2017 at 03:57 PM

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IOWA FREAKIN STATE!!!


Pretty awesome! I play and track alot of ML dogs (underdogs who pull straight up wins). Unfortunately I have not played ISU at all in that capacity, but they are one of the better ones this year. With a $100 bet for them to win straightup you'd a won $4500 vs OU, $180 vs TexTech and $226 vs TCU.




nebish - 10/30/2017 at 03:59 PM

Playoff Committee Rankings come out Tuesday. I'd trust just about everyone's opinion here over them.

I did some yesterday. I don't pretend to know who would beat who on neutral fields in hypothetical games. I rank on resume. When w-l record is the same, head-to-head results will determine ranking. Here is what I got:

1. Georgia 8-0 - best wins at ND 7-1, Miss St 6-3, App St 5-3
2. Alabama 8-0 - best wins Colorado St 6-3, at TA&M 5-3, Fresno St 5-3
3. Notre Dame 7-1 - best wins at Mich St 6-2, NCSt 6-2, USC 6-2, at BC 5-4...loss Georgia 8-0
4. Clemson 7-1 - best wins at VT 7-1, Auburn 6-2, Wake 5-3, at 5-4 LV, 5-4 BC....loss at Syracuse 4-4
5. TCU 7-1 - best wins at OkSt 7-1, at SMU 6-2, WVU 5-3...loss at ISU 6-2
6. Oklahoma 7-1 - best win at Ohio St 7-1
7. Ohio State 7-1 - best wins 7-1 Penn St, 6-2 Army...loss Oklahoma 7-1
8. Iowa State 6-2 - best wins at Oklahoma 7-1, TCU 7-1, Akron 5-4...losses Iowa 4-4, Texas 4-4
9. Wisconsin 8-0 - best win FAU 5-3
10. Miami 7-0 - best wins Toledo 7-1, Georgia Tech 4-3
11. Oklahoma St 7-1 - best win at WVU 5-3...loss TCU 7-1
12. Penn St 7-1 - best wins Michigan 6-2, at Iowa 5-3...loss at Ohio St 7-1
13. Virginia Tech 6-1 - best wins WVU 5-3, BC 5-4....loss Clemson 7-1
14. UCF 7-0 - best wins Memphis 7-1, at Navy 5-2, FIU 5-2
15. Washington 7-1 - best wins Fresno 5-3, Colorado 5-4...loss at Arizona St 4-4
16. Michigan St 6-2 - best wins at Michigan 6-2, Iowa 5-3, Western Mich 5-3...losses Notre Dame 7-1, at NW 4-4
t-17. Auburn 6-2 - best win Mississippi St 6-2...losses at Clemson 7-1, at LSU 6-2
t-17. LSU 6-2 - best win Auburn 6-2...losses Troy 6-2, at Miss St 6-2
t-17. Mississippi St 6-2 - best wins LSU 6-2, UK 6-2, at TA&M 5-3
20. Arizona 6-2 - best wins Wash St 7-2, Colorado 5-4...losses Houston 4-4, Utah 4-4
21. Washington State 7-2 - best wins USC 6-2, Boise 6-2, at Ore 5-4, 5-4 Colorado...losses at Arz 6-2, at Cal 4-5
22. USC 7-2 - best wins Stanford 6-2, Western Michigan...losses at Wash St 7-2, at Notre Dame 7-1
23. Stanford 6-2 - best win 5-4 Oregon...losses at USC 7-2, at San Diego St 7-2
t24. Kentucky 6-2 - best win at South Carolina 6-2...loses Florida 3-4, at Miss St 6-2
t24. North Carolina St 6-2 - best wins Marshall 6-2, Louisville 5-4...losses SCarolina 6-2, Notre Dame 7-1
t24. South Carolina 6-2 - best win North Carolina St 6-2...loses Kentucky 6-2, TA&M 5-3

I'll stop there. I don't know where to rank Michigan, they have zero wins over anybody with a winning record. I'd probably put Memphis and Toledo somewhere ahead of them.

There are some difficult decisions in there when trying to value quality wins vs quality losses and bad losses.



[Edited on 10/30/2017 by nebish]


Bhawk - 11/7/2017 at 01:01 AM

Penn State and Ohio State sure didn't help matters for the B1G this past weekend.

Hey look! Oklahoma just scored again!


oldcoot - 11/11/2017 at 03:07 PM

Lots and lots of big games today!


Just personal feelings but it's hard for me to root for either Notre Dame or Miami.


Still the best sign I've seen at a college football game, from a Fla State fan:

You can't spell SCUM without UM


StratDal - 11/17/2017 at 06:53 PM

Go Bruins! Beat SC!

That being said, bet on SC running the ball down our crappy run defense. Josh needs to have the game of his life.

I miss Rivalry Saturday. About 90% of the big ones were always the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, tv money ruined it.


Lee - 11/18/2017 at 11:24 AM

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Go Bruins! Beat SC!

That being said, bet on SC running the ball down our crappy run defense. Josh needs to have the game of his life.

I miss Rivalry Saturday. About 90% of the big ones were always the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, tv money ruined it.


Yeah, they promoted that big time.

Curious, why do you think TV money ruined it? I would have thought it to be the other way around.


oldcoot - 11/18/2017 at 03:45 PM

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Go Bruins! Beat SC!

That being said, bet on SC running the ball down our crappy run defense. Josh needs to have the game of his life.

I miss Rivalry Saturday. About 90% of the big ones were always the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, tv money ruined it.


Yeah, they promoted that big time.

Curious, why do you think TV money ruined it? I would have thought it to be the other way around.


They also used to play ten regular season games as opposed to 12 now.


Lee - 11/18/2017 at 03:59 PM

And we used to have The Big Ten & The Big Eight. And The Rose Bowl actually meant something.


Times change I guess.


IPowrie - 11/18/2017 at 04:22 PM

Go Blue. Need Penn State and Michigan State to also lose.


oldcoot - 11/18/2017 at 05:28 PM

I have actually wagered on a 37 & a 41 1/2 point underdog today.


And, I'm not even drunk..... yet.


oldcoot - 11/18/2017 at 09:11 PM

My college lock of the year is underway.

Penn State.


nebish - 11/19/2017 at 12:59 AM

Go Bruins!!!!!


nebish - 11/19/2017 at 01:00 AM

Go Cal!!!!!


nebish - 11/19/2017 at 01:01 AM

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I have actually wagered on a 37 & a 41 1/2 point underdog today.


And, I'm not even drunk..... yet.


ULM and ILL?

I had ULM. Also had San Jose +32

30+ dogs are actually covering at a good clip this year. Not sure if that includes IAA teams, all the IAA teams got crushed today.


Lee - 11/19/2017 at 12:33 PM

Bet five games yesterday and won four of them.

The only one I lost was Purdue /Iowa.

How on God's green earth does Purdue go into Iowa and win? And Iowa destroyed Ohio St. there a few weeks ago.


oldcoot - 11/19/2017 at 04:57 PM

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I have actually wagered on a 37 & a 41 1/2 point underdog today.


And, I'm not even drunk..... yet.


ULM and ILL?

I had ULM. Also had San Jose +32

30+ dogs are actually covering at a good clip this year. Not sure if that includes IAA teams, all the IAA teams got crushed today.



Yes, those two and then Penn State's second stringers couldn't hold the cover in my big game.


nebish - 11/19/2017 at 05:58 PM

5 games...3 games... man that is just not enough action for me. Think yesterday was a season high for me, 42 games! More games = more fun the way I see it. 23-19.


StratDal - 11/19/2017 at 09:22 PM

Bruins pulled the trigger and fired CJM. While I agreed it was time for a change, I didn't see that one coming this season. I just wonder where the AD got the nearly $12 mill to pay his buyout.


Lee - 11/22/2017 at 01:30 PM

Maybe the loss to USC sealed that deal?


nebish - 11/22/2017 at 07:22 PM

UCLA's game vs USC was one of their best efforts of the season. Mora was gone before that loss. The huge buyout was the only think keeping him there. Somebody must've stepped up to pay that buyout because athletic coffers there do not have that kind of money available. Speculation was that they needed to make that move now to not lose out on a key candidate before somebody else beats them to it (Chip Kelly).


Lee - 11/23/2017 at 12:21 PM

Some pretty good games this weekend.

Tonight's Ole Miss/Miss State game is usually good even if State is a big favorite.

I wonder if Miami might struggle a bit at Pitt.

Who would have thought the Florida / FSU game would have two teams with losing records?

My Michigan Wolverines getting 12 points at home against Ohio State? That's a lot to give on the road in a rivalry game.

I hope Auburn beats Saban. Can't stand that guy.

The Apple Barrel is always fun.

And maybe Clemson might have a struggle at South Carolina.

Should be fun!!!


DanB - 11/23/2017 at 02:21 PM

"And maybe Clemson might have a struggle at South Carolina."

You never know what you'll get in this game. Clemson leads all time series by a 26 game margin. The chickens are always preseason champions. This is their super bowl.

I hope the game is like last year 56-7. Go Tigers!!!


BillyEddins - 11/24/2017 at 06:37 PM

i hope Ohio State puts 50 on Harb. Can’t stand him. Don’t like urban either.


nebish - 11/24/2017 at 09:33 PM

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i hope Ohio State puts 50 on Harb. Can’t stand him. Don’t like urban either.



Nice to see you drop in! Getting ready for the Iron Bowl I'm sure.

Atleast Urban Meyer wins, Harbaugh's next big win at Michigan will be his first.


alanwoods - 11/25/2017 at 01:01 PM

On this day, two days after Thanksgiving, I am thankful for the end of a very forgettable University of Tennessee football season. It would be nice not to drop one to Vanderbilt. UT hasn't lost to Kentucky AND Vandy in the same year since 1964, and UT has never lost 8 in a season, and has never been winless in the SEC since it was formed. Even Derek Dooley didn't leave such a mess.

Good riddance.


nebish - 11/25/2017 at 03:24 PM

Ole Miss, Pitt, Buffalo, Central Michigan, FIU, Texas Tech - upset winners last 2 days

Baylor, Arkansas, USF, Cal - large covering dogs

In this the final college football Saturday that matters for most teams and fans around the nation, I ask of you....unleash the upsets today college football gods!!!!

Michigan, UK, GT, Duke, Rice, UTEP, UNLV, UNC, Maryland, Minnesota, Fresno, Auburn, West Virginia, Rutgers, Illinois, Tulsa, San Jose, GaSouthern, Oregon State, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Washington State, Hawaii and Colorado

May the thrill of victory warm their souls today!


DanB - 11/25/2017 at 03:57 PM

Phuck SCAR


Lee - 11/25/2017 at 04:18 PM

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i hope Ohio State puts 50 on Harb. Can’t stand him. Don’t like urban either.



Nice to see you drop in! Getting ready for the Iron Bowl I'm sure.

Atleast Urban Meyer wins, Harbaugh's next big win at Michigan will be his first.


Urban is the biggest a$$hole in sports. As soon as he thinks there is something better than Ohio State, he is gone. He already used his health and wanting to spend time with his family excuses to leave Florida before they started to suck.

What can he come up with next?


Bhawk - 11/25/2017 at 05:01 PM

Hating Ohio State is so easy.


Bhawk - 11/25/2017 at 05:06 PM

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i hope Ohio State puts 50 on Harb. Can’t stand him. Don’t like urban either.



Nice to see you drop in! Getting ready for the Iron Bowl I'm sure.

Atleast Urban Meyer wins, Harbaugh's next big win at Michigan will be his first.


Urban is the biggest a$$hole in sports. As soon as he thinks there is something better than Ohio State, he is gone. He already used his health and wanting to spend time with his family excuses to leave Florida before they started to suck.

What can he come up with next?


I thought he was smart to leave Florida. Tebow was a once in a lifetime college QB and no way could Meyer spend the rest of his career at Florida trying to live up to two titles in three years.


nebish - 11/26/2017 at 05:26 AM

Little light on the upsets today. That makes me sad. Nice win for Duke and San Jose was a big one. Couple others, Auburn notably.

Urban Meyer is the absolute best program builder/rejuvenater, his record is fantastic at all his stops.

He left Florida in a mess and didnt handle sustaining that program beyond the National Title teams. So I actually wondered if he could sustain a team because he hasn't stayed anywhere very long really.

Kind of funny that when Ohio St loses, they lose big. Would be cool to see Wisconsin beat them next week.


Sang - 11/26/2017 at 06:31 AM

I should get comeback of the year - missed the first nine games, and then got the last 9 right.............tied for 5th out of 11..............


IPowrie - 11/26/2017 at 02:59 PM

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Little light on the upsets today. That makes me sad. Nice win for Duke and San Jose was a big one. Couple others, Auburn notably.

Urban Meyer is the absolute best program builder/rejuvenater, his record is fantastic at all his stops.

He left Florida in a mess and didnt handle sustaining that program beyond the National Title teams. So I actually wondered if he could sustain a team because he hasn't stayed anywhere very long really.

Kind of funny that when Ohio St loses, they lose big. Would be cool to see Wisconsin beat them next week.


Wisconsin, Auburn, Miami, and Oklahoma next weekend. Also hope that would be the playoff


DanB - 11/26/2017 at 03:07 PM

Well the Gamecock fans showed up as the white trash they are by throwing things at the Clemson players. As typical the stands were empty by late 3rd quarter.

34-10 but it could have been more.

Come next August they will be pre-season national champs again. EfF the chickens!!


DanB - 11/26/2017 at 03:09 PM


oldcoot - 11/26/2017 at 04:01 PM

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I should get comeback of the year - missed the first nine games, and then got the last 9 right.............tied for 5th out of 11..............



It was a nice comeback. Still, I hope you're ready to buy me some beer!


oldcoot - 11/26/2017 at 04:02 PM

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Hating Ohio State is so easy.



Yes, yes, it is.


oldcoot - 11/26/2017 at 04:03 PM

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i hope Ohio State puts 50 on Harb. Can’t stand him. Don’t like urban either.



Nice to see you drop in! Getting ready for the Iron Bowl I'm sure.

Atleast Urban Meyer wins, Harbaugh's next big win at Michigan will be his first.


Urban is the biggest a$$hole in sports. As soon as he thinks there is something better than Ohio State, he is gone. He already used his health and wanting to spend time with his family excuses to leave Florida before they started to suck.

What can he come up with next?



He wants to take some photography courses at a community college?


oldcoot - 11/26/2017 at 04:06 PM

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Well the Gamecock fans showed up as the white trash they are by throwing things at the Clemson players. As typical the stands were empty by late 3rd quarter.

34-10 but it could have been more.

Come next August they will be pre-season national champs again. EfF the chickens!!



Sounds eerily similar to the "fans" in Boulder although they usually pelt the opponent with snowballs. They should get tear gassed every game not just when they play Colorado State.


StratDal - 11/27/2017 at 02:21 PM

Press conference today at 1 pm announcing UCLA's hiring of Chip Kelly. Hopefully he's "The Guy". While it's exciting, we'll see in 4 years when he's coaching his recruits.


alanwoods - 11/27/2017 at 02:51 PM

There's a dumpster fire in Knoxville.


nebish - 11/27/2017 at 06:50 PM

Regarding UCLA and Kelly, what will be interesting is that when he came out of New Hampshire and to Oregon he as cutting edge and unique. Now just about everyone who wants to run tempo and that style is doing it so nothing special about prepping for his O any longer. Doesn't mean that he still can't succeed doing it, but it just doesn't set him apart. It will hopefully be an exciting time in UCLA.

Regarding Tennessee, what a **** show. I'm not on twitter, but followed along with alot of that stuff yesterday. Not liking the Schiano hire for football reasons is one thing and fine. But this whole other thing, it is like children not getting something they want. Bad look for Tennessee. Everybody wants their hands in every decision and nobody wants to leave it to the people responsible for certain things to make the best choices and if some group of people doesn't agree with it then there is holy hell to pay. Not just Tennessee and this situation, but everywhere and everything. It's no wonder that nothing seems to function the way it should anymore.

Regarding those South Carolina fans, shame on you. Again, children acting out for attention because something didn't go their way. Clemson put on a clinic, again humbled and embarrassed Gamecock nation much more than a 15 yard penalty could've.


StratDal - 11/28/2017 at 05:54 AM

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There's a dumpster fire in Knoxville.


Vol fans want Kiffin back... desperation at its finest... pathetic.


fensranger - 11/29/2017 at 05:49 PM

hi Scott

so an interesting weekend coming up. What are predictions about who play new years eve.

I go with Georgia, Wisconsin Alabama and Oklahoma

Anyone else predicting here


fensranger - 11/29/2017 at 05:49 PM

hi Scott

so an interesting weekend coming up. What are predictions about who play new years eve.

I go with Georgia, Wisconsin Alabama and Oklahoma

Anyone else predicting here


alanwoods - 11/29/2017 at 06:30 PM

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There's a dumpster fire in Knoxville.


Vol fans want Kiffin back... desperation at its finest... pathetic.


Gundy turned down $42 million over 6 years.

Don't think that all Vol fans want that **** Kiffin back. I certainly don't. And, I don't think that he is being considered by those who are controlling the process. (The Haslams and other powerful boosters... Peyton...)

It's an embarrassing situation for those of us who love the University and the State of Tennessee.


Lee - 11/29/2017 at 06:58 PM

Now they are after Brohm from Purdue. I really don't know why anyone would walk into the mess that appears to be Tennessee currently.


fensranger - 11/29/2017 at 07:23 PM

Not sure Gatorland is much better these days. Two amazing programs that cannot get out of their own way. And that is coming from a Jets fan!!!


nebish - 11/30/2017 at 04:25 AM

quote:
hi Scott

so an interesting weekend coming up. What are predictions about who play new years eve.

I go with Georgia, Wisconsin Alabama and Oklahoma

Anyone else predicting here


Bunch of good games. My personal interest has peaked though. I'll still watch all these games and the bowls, but I love when all 130 teams are playing. I would just as much like to watch Utah State play Air Force as I would any conference title game.

You are jumping ahead to playoff teams? No matter who it is, I hope that only 1 team per conference is awarded a spot. As I have always believed, the conference championship should be a prerequisite for a national championship opportunity.

So looking at your 4 Andy, what happened to the ACC Champ? Are you excluding them?

I think TCU has a shot to beat OU Saturday. I'm not counting Gary Patterson out and relying upon OU's D is always tricky.

I'll just offer where I rank the top 10 currently (I included 11 so nobody thought I forgot about Ohio State):

1. Clemson 11-1 – 7 wins vs bowl teams, best wins vs 10-2 Auburn 14-6 plus at 9-3 VT and at 9-3 LV...Loss at 4-8 Syracuse 24-27
*note Clemson more well rounded team with a high quality defense*
2. Oklahoma 11-1 – 7 wins vs bowl teams, best win at 10-2 Ohio St 31-16 plus home vs 10-2 TCU and at 9-3 Okla St...Loss home vs 7-5 ISU 31-38

3. Auburn 10-2 – 5 wins vs bowl teams, best wins home vs 11-1 Georgia 40-17, home vs 11-1 Alabama 26-14...Loses at 11-1 Clemson 6-14 and at 9-3 LSU 23-27

4. Wisconsin 12-0 – 4 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 FAU 31-14, home vs 7-5 Iowa 38-14, home vs 8-4 Michigan 24-10

5. Georgia 11-1 – 6 wins vs bowl teams, best win at 9-3 Notre Dame 20-19...Loss at 10-2 Auburn 17-40.

6. Alabama 11-1 - 5 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 LSU 24-10, home vs 9-3 Fresno 41-10...Loss at 10-2 Auburn 14-26

7. UCF 12-0 – 6 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 11-1 Memphis 40-13, home vs 9-2 USF 49-42.

8. Miami 11-1 – 5 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 VT 28-10, home vs 9-3 Notre Dame 41-8...Loss at 5-7 Pitt 14-24

9. USC 10-2 – 7 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 Stanford 42-24....Loses at 9-3 Washington St 27-30, at 9-3 Notre Dame 14-49

10. TCU 10-2 – 6 wins vs bowl teams, best win at 9-3 Oklahoma State 44-31...Loses at 7-5 ISU 7-14, at 11-1 Oklahoma 20-38

11. Ohio State 10-2 – 4 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 10-2 Penn State 39-38...Loses home vs 11-1 Oklahoma 16-31, at 7-5 Iowa 21-55


nebish - 11/30/2017 at 04:26 AM

Herman Edwards to Arizona State? That is a WTF moment.


Lee - 11/30/2017 at 02:15 PM

quote:
quote:
hi Scott

so an interesting weekend coming up. What are predictions about who play new years eve.

I go with Georgia, Wisconsin Alabama and Oklahoma

Anyone else predicting here


Bunch of good games. My personal interest has peaked though. I'll still watch all these games and the bowls, but I love when all 130 teams are playing. I would just as much like to watch Utah State play Air Force as I would any conference title game.

You are jumping ahead to playoff teams? No matter who it is, I hope that only 1 team per conference is awarded a spot. As I have always believed, the conference championship should be a prerequisite for a national championship opportunity.

So looking at your 4 Andy, what happened to the ACC Champ? Are you excluding them?

I think TCU has a shot to beat OU Saturday. I'm not counting Gary Patterson out and relying upon OU's D is always tricky.

I'll just offer where I rank the top 10 currently (I included 11 so nobody thought I forgot about Ohio State):

1. Clemson 11-1 – 7 wins vs bowl teams, best wins vs 10-2 Auburn 14-6 plus at 9-3 VT and at 9-3 LV...Loss at 4-8 Syracuse 24-27
*note Clemson more well rounded team with a high quality defense*
2. Oklahoma 11-1 – 7 wins vs bowl teams, best win at 10-2 Ohio St 31-16 plus home vs 10-2 TCU and at 9-3 Okla St...Loss home vs 7-5 ISU 31-38

3. Auburn 10-2 – 5 wins vs bowl teams, best wins home vs 11-1 Georgia 40-17, home vs 11-1 Alabama 26-14...Loses at 11-1 Clemson 6-14 and at 9-3 LSU 23-27

4. Wisconsin 12-0 – 4 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 FAU 31-14, home vs 7-5 Iowa 38-14, home vs 8-4 Michigan 24-10

5. Georgia 11-1 – 6 wins vs bowl teams, best win at 9-3 Notre Dame 20-19...Loss at 10-2 Auburn 17-40.

6. Alabama 11-1 - 5 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 LSU 24-10, home vs 9-3 Fresno 41-10...Loss at 10-2 Auburn 14-26

7. UCF 12-0 – 6 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 11-1 Memphis 40-13, home vs 9-2 USF 49-42.

8. Miami 11-1 – 5 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 VT 28-10, home vs 9-3 Notre Dame 41-8...Loss at 5-7 Pitt 14-24

9. USC 10-2 – 7 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 9-3 Stanford 42-24....Loses at 9-3 Washington St 27-30, at 9-3 Notre Dame 14-49

10. TCU 10-2 – 6 wins vs bowl teams, best win at 9-3 Oklahoma State 44-31...Loses at 7-5 ISU 7-14, at 11-1 Oklahoma 20-38

11. Ohio State 10-2 – 4 wins vs bowl teams, best win home vs 10-2 Penn State 39-38...Loses home vs 11-1 Oklahoma 16-31, at 7-5 Iowa 21-55


I don't think TCU has a prayer against Oklahoma. The Sooners are REALLY good. Perhaps national champs.

I would love for a Big Ten team to win it but I don't see Wisconsin (they did not have a difficult schedule) knocking off Ohio St and I doubt the Bucks will get in anyway. That blowout against Iowa has to hurt them.

I have heard some kudos for USC. That would be interesting.

If all four of the top teams win this weekend it is a moot point anyway regarding the playoff.



fensranger - 11/30/2017 at 02:28 PM

hi Scott

yes i for some reason think clemson will lose and both Bama and Georgia will get in as Georgia beats Auburn. Auburn laid it all out against Bama especially emotionally and i think their star was injured as well so i think Dawgs will beat them.


nebish - 11/30/2017 at 11:10 PM

I will take Georgia as well to beat Auburn and win the SEC.

I would think the ACC Champ gets in, but in your scenario it isn't impossible they shut out Miami, but Miami as 1 loss ACC Champ would be hard for the committee to leave out. Then it is down to Big Ten, Big Xll or PAC 12 Champ for 2 other spots...unless they give one conference two teams and they've already showed us that nonconference champs can get in (Ohio St last year). If UCF goes 12-0 after Saturday throw their name into the ring before anyone considers two teams from same league.

[Edited on 11/30/2017 by nebish]


nebish - 11/30/2017 at 11:14 PM

Yes, Oklahoma is HOT.

I just can't trust their D. WVU with backup QB making first career start drove them into the RZ first 3 drives racking up over 200y on those opening possessions, but came away with just 10 pts (either thanks to the OU D clamping down, or the lack of QB experience out of the 'eers). Then since WV D couldn't offer any resistance to OU O the game was essentially over at halftime, but OU D still allowed WVU O to walk down field for back-to-back TDs to start the 3rd.

OU did a number on TCU the first time around, but that is the exception. TCU isn't overly threatening like most Big Xll teams are, but even, hell Kansas St had their way with the Sooner D.

I'm not going to sell Patterson short in this game. I would not bet TCU to win, but might consider getting over a TD with them and count on them to be more competitive this time around.


nebish - 11/30/2017 at 11:19 PM

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Gundy turned down $42 million over 6 years.

Don't think that all Vol fans want that **** Kiffin back. I certainly don't. And, I don't think that he is being considered by those who are controlling the process. (The Haslams and other powerful boosters... Peyton...)

It's an embarrassing situation for those of us who love the University and the State of Tennessee.


quote:
Now they are after Brohm from Purdue. I really don't know why anyone would walk into the mess that appears to be Tennessee currently.


I feel bad what the good people of Tennessee are going through. On the other hand, those people who threw temper tantrums Sunday I have no compassion for.

I think Brohm has a very very high ceiling. That would've been a strong hire. The big concern would've been that he would leave anywhere for Louisville.

But did he back out over negotiations or it becoming public or was it not as far along as some of those press people said? At this point, in just about any area, how can you believe any speculation even the most trusted sources report on anything? So much has been proving to be BS more and more.

Doren? Butch Jones staying might've been better.

I forget who the latest name is.

Tee Martin will be there if you want him, but he has never lead a program as a head coach and about 2 months ago USC fans were ready to fire him.


Lee - 12/1/2017 at 11:34 AM

Right now I am seeing Oklahoma -7.5. I can buy a half point so I might take OU -7. I am really high on them.

In a lesser game, the MAC Championship Game, I like Akron getting more than three TDs. I know Toledo is good for that conference and they have a good program but that seems like a lot. On the other hand, it could be a sucker bet as in, are they begging you to take the points???

On a side note, I kind of feel bad for those kids. Even as a metro Detroiter, how would you like your reward for a successful season be a trip to downtown Detroit?



Lee - 12/1/2017 at 12:07 PM

So apparently Brohm turned down the Tennessee job in hopes of getting the Louisville gig, which Bobby Petrino has (again). So from what I read, if Brohm goes to Louisville, Petrino could take the Tennessee job.

College football coaching is like a soap opera.


nebish - 12/1/2017 at 02:48 PM

Totally get your opinion on OU, it is probably the smarter bet.

I too like Akron. 3 games ago they suspended their Sr QB Thomas Woodson. Woodson had struggled this year with new receivers and Zips #1 RB got hurt in Sept as well. Woodson is not a runner. So the O was really underwhelming. When Woodson got suspended they inserted Fr Kato Nelson and while raw and erratic, he immediately brought playmaking ability to the team that they had not had. So from that standpoint this Toledo-Akron rematch has a chance to much more competitive than the earlier 48-21 Toledo win.


alanwoods - 12/1/2017 at 03:04 PM

And just when you didn't think it could get any more bizarre. The University of Tennessee has FIRED Athletic Director John Currie.


oldcoot - 12/1/2017 at 03:39 PM

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Gundy turned down $42 million over 6 years.

Don't think that all Vol fans want that **** Kiffin back. I certainly don't. And, I don't think that he is being considered by those who are controlling the process. (The Haslams and other powerful boosters... Peyton...)

It's an embarrassing situation for those of us who love the University and the State of Tennessee.


quote:
Now they are after Brohm from Purdue. I really don't know why anyone would walk into the mess that appears to be Tennessee currently.


I feel bad what the good people of Tennessee are going through. On the other hand, those people who threw temper tantrums Sunday I have no compassion for.

I think Brohm has a very very high ceiling. That would've been a strong hire. The big concern would've been that he would leave anywhere for Louisville.

But did he back out over negotiations or it becoming public or was it not as far along as some of those press people said? At this point, in just about any area, how can you believe any speculation even the most trusted sources report on anything? So much has been proving to be BS more and more.

Doren? Butch Jones staying might've been better.

I forget who the latest name is.

Tee Martin will be there if you want him, but he has never lead a program as a head coach and about 2 months ago USC fans were ready to fire him.



Saw rumors today of Mike Leach. Not sure Leach will ever take a program to the top. Competitive, yes. National or conference title level, probably not.

At least he'd be entertaining.


oldcoot - 12/1/2017 at 03:43 PM

quote:
Yes, Oklahoma is HOT.

I just can't trust their D. WVU with backup QB making first career start drove them into the RZ first 3 drives racking up over 200y on those opening possessions, but came away with just 10 pts (either thanks to the OU D clamping down, or the lack of QB experience out of the 'eers). Then since WV D couldn't offer any resistance to OU O the game was essentially over at halftime, but OU D still allowed WVU O to walk down field for back-to-back TDs to start the 3rd.

OU did a number on TCU the first time around, but that is the exception. TCU isn't overly threatening like most Big Xll teams are, but even, hell Kansas St had their way with the Sooner D.

I'm not going to sell Patterson short in this game. I would not bet TCU to win, but might consider getting over a TD with them and count on them to be more competitive this time around.


Baylor had their way with the OU defense.

I don't think TCU has the offense to stick with the Sooners though.


Lee - 12/1/2017 at 07:51 PM

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And just when you didn't think it could get any more bizarre. The University of Tennessee has FIRED Athletic Director John Currie.


Phil Fulmer should be back on the field.


Lee - 12/1/2017 at 07:56 PM

quote:


Saw rumors today of Mike Leach. Not sure Leach will ever take a program to the top. Competitive, yes. National or conference title level, probably not.

At least he'd be entertaining.


True to your last point. Not sure why anyone would touch that knucklehead though. Maybe if they need the media exposure?


oldcoot - 12/1/2017 at 10:06 PM

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Saw rumors today of Mike Leach. Not sure Leach will ever take a program to the top. Competitive, yes. National or conference title level, probably not.

At least he'd be entertaining.


True to your last point. Not sure why anyone would touch that knucklehead though. Maybe if they need the media exposure?



They seem pretty good at getting media exposure lately without Leach....


Lee - 12/2/2017 at 02:11 PM

Looking forward to Championship Saturday. The beer store in our lobby should be primed for business today.


oldcoot - 12/3/2017 at 03:47 PM

Another big $ day yesterday four big wins and a push. Actually could have "in-betweened" the Ohio State - Wisky game. Took the Badgers +7 early and then the number dropped to Buckeyes -4. I thought that that would mean Barrett either wouldn't play or be very limited. He actually played very well, credit to him. I liked Wisconsin well enough that I didn't lay any of it off onto OSU. Have a feeling the local sports accountant took a beating on that one.

Likely gets the Buckeyes in, although Clemson will immediately cancel their check. Was really hoping Wisconsin would win and prevent both Saban & Meyer from being involved in the playoff.


nebish - 12/3/2017 at 04:17 PM

It's going to be really hard for me to rekindle my long lost love for Nebraska, but I might try with Frost leading the team!


nebish - 12/3/2017 at 04:23 PM

Pick 'Em results - oldcoot is our 8th different winner in 9 years! Well done!


place - name- total pts-dropped pts-W-L

1-Even Older Coot-223-10-223-181
2-kirbyskids-219-10-219-173
3-Sang-219-11-219-185
4-Fighting Irish-219- 9- 219-185
5-Fanklin Dawg- 218 -9- 218-174
6-fast43- 213 - 10- 213-191
7-Dabosweenie- 212 -8- 212-192
8 -The Quack is Back!!!!- 208- 0- 208-196
9 -nebish- 203 -5- 203-201
10 -rockytophotseat- 199 -8- 199-205
11 -Where's My Mule?-
155 -0- 155-249

There will be a bowl pick'em.


oldcoot - 12/3/2017 at 08:24 PM

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It's going to be really hard for me to rekindle my long lost love for Nebraska, but I might try with Frost leading the team!



Hope so Neb, it'll still take a while to turn things but I think he'll have the focus and ability to do it. Comes down to how well he does getting the talented recruits. I'm optimistic.


oldcoot - 12/3/2017 at 08:29 PM

quote:
Pick 'Em results - oldcoot is our 8th different winner in 9 years! Well done!


place - name- total pts-dropped pts-W-L

1-Even Older Coot-223-10-223-181
2-kirbyskids-219-10-219-173
3-Sang-219-11-219-185
4-Fighting Irish-219- 9- 219-185
5-Fanklin Dawg- 218 -9- 218-174
6-fast43- 213 - 10- 213-191
7-Dabosweenie- 212 -8- 212-192
8 -The Quack is Back!!!!- 208- 0- 208-196
9 -nebish- 203 -5- 203-201
10 -rockytophotseat- 199 -8- 199-205
11 -Where's My Mule?-
155 -0- 155-249

There will be a bowl pick'em.


Thanks! Really helped me focus on my actual wagers from week to week.

Now that the word is out, the accolades are rolling in from people and publications alike:

"If I was a betting man, I'd follow Coot's picks exclusively!" - Pete Rose

"Amazing! Incredible! Fantastic!" - Roget's Thesaurus

"I didn't see that coming!" - Miss Cleo

"He did pretty...pretty...pretty good." - Larry David




Lee - 12/3/2017 at 10:47 PM

Herbstreit. Too funny.

https://ohiostate.247sports.com/Bolt/ESPN-analyst-Kirk-Herbstreit-stunned-b y-last-College-Football-Playoff-rankings-111650166


Lee - 12/4/2017 at 02:02 PM

I think Ohio State should have gotten into the playoff instead of Alabama but I guess you could have flipped a coin between the two. I think that blowout loss to Iowa really hurt The Bucks.


Rusty - 12/4/2017 at 02:42 PM

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I think Ohio State should have gotten into the playoff instead of Alabama but I guess you could have flipped a coin between the two. I think that blowout loss to Iowa really hurt The Bucks.


So, you were okay last year when OSU got into the playoffs under nearly identical circumstance?

Alabama lost ONE game - albeit late in the season to in-state rival, Auburn. I'm actually one of the folks who THOUGT that conference play-offs were supposed to be the bracket to determine the CHAMPIONSHIP play-offs. But it has been pointed out to me that those games exist only to make money (heavy cynicism on my part).

Years ago, when the new play-off system was being touted as the sure-fire way of determining a champion - I was stating that it would create an entire new set of problems. The championship will likely always be "mythical".


Bhawk - 12/4/2017 at 07:24 PM

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I think Ohio State should have gotten into the playoff instead of Alabama but I guess you could have flipped a coin between the two. I think that blowout loss to Iowa really hurt The Bucks.


So, you were okay last year when OSU got into the playoffs under nearly identical circumstance?

Alabama lost ONE game - albeit late in the season to in-state rival, Auburn. I'm actually one of the folks who THOUGT that conference play-offs were supposed to be the bracket to determine the CHAMPIONSHIP play-offs. But it has been pointed out to me that those games exist only to make money (heavy cynicism on my part).

Years ago, when the new play-off system was being touted as the sure-fire way of determining a champion - I was stating that it would create an entire new set of problems. The championship will likely always be "mythical".




Not unless you expand the playoffs to eight teams.

Alabama lost to Auburn a week after playing Mercer at home. How come strength-of-schedule and playing a cupcake late in the year every year hurts everyone else except Alabama?


Lee - 12/4/2017 at 08:12 PM

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I think Ohio State should have gotten into the playoff instead of Alabama but I guess you could have flipped a coin between the two. I think that blowout loss to Iowa really hurt The Bucks.


So, you were okay last year when OSU got into the playoffs under nearly identical circumstance?




Never said anything about last year. But since you asked, I don't think OSU should have gotten in last year since Pen State beat them. So I don't think the circumstances are identical. I am by no means an OSU apologist. I'm from Michigan.

Regarding Alabama, I just think OSU is better. Tougher schedule. This year the SEC wasn't the same as it has been over the past several years. My guess is Alabama's (and Saban's) reputation played into the decision.

And I thought winning your conference held more clout.

I don't have a horse in the race. I don't like either team. Again, I just think OSU is better.

I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision. Either way, someone is going to be unhappy. There's no perfect system but I think it's better than it used to be.


Lee - 12/4/2017 at 08:45 PM

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Herman Edwards to Arizona State? That is a WTF moment.


Yeah, this surprises the hell out of me. He's 63 so he could conceivably coach for 5-10 years so I guess his age shouldn't matter.

Selfishly, I will miss him on ESPN. He kind of has a fatherly sports-related vibe to him if that makes sense.

Don't care about ASU one way or another but I will probably root for them because I have so much respect for Herm.


nebish - 12/4/2017 at 11:55 PM

4 teams or 8 teams - conference champions only should be eligible for a national title shot. I've said it for as long as we've had a college football thread here. 2000 Nebraska, 2003 Oklahoma, 2011 Alabama, 2016 Ohio State and 2017 Alabama should never been given the chance at the national title. If you are the second best team in your own division or conference, how can you be legitimately considered the best team in the nation? What is best? I don't know. You don't know. The committee doesn't know. The results of the games knows and should be respected. Alabama lost their most important game of the year, they had their destiny in their own hands vs Auburn and lost. Why give them a mulligan?

This year there is no strong 4th team. Give it to UCF.

When I supported the "plus one" 4 team playoff model the idea was in some years give access to an exceptional mid major team. This is the year. Ohio St, USC are not elite teams and not worthy of a seat at the table. Obviously I'm excluding Alabama for reasons posted above.

I looked at the 6 BCS computer averages for Alabama, Ohio State and UCF. You throw out the highest and lowest and average the remaining 4. Alabama .84, Ohio State .84, UCF .82. Two hundredths of a pt behind.

Think the gap between an undefeated UCF and 1 loss Alabama and 2 loss Ohio St from down P5 conferences is large? It isn't.


oldcoot - 12/5/2017 at 05:40 PM

What I find so hypocritical is two years ago Saban said you needed to win your conference to get in.

And yet, who took to lobbying just the opposite after the loss to Auburn?

I guess it's which shoe needs to fit.


IPowrie - 12/5/2017 at 09:03 PM

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I think Ohio State should have gotten into the playoff instead of Alabama but I guess you could have flipped a coin between the two. I think that blowout loss to Iowa really hurt The Bucks.


So, you were okay last year when OSU got into the playoffs under nearly identical circumstance?

Alabama lost ONE game - albeit late in the season to in-state rival, Auburn. I'm actually one of the folks who THOUGT that conference play-offs were supposed to be the bracket to determine the CHAMPIONSHIP play-offs. But it has been pointed out to me that those games exist only to make money (heavy cynicism on my part).

Years ago, when the new play-off system was being touted as the sure-fire way of determining a champion - I was stating that it would create an entire new set of problems. The championship will likely always be "mythical".




Not unless you expand the playoffs to eight teams.

Alabama lost to Auburn a week after playing Mercer at home. How come strength-of-schedule and playing a cupcake late in the year every year hurts everyone else except Alabama?


Agreed, playing Mercer should have disqualified Alabama as they are an FCS team. The SEC and ACC should go to a 9 game conference schedule like the rest of the conferences.


nebish - 12/5/2017 at 09:12 PM

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What I find so hypocritical is two years ago Saban said you needed to win your conference to get in.

And yet, who took to lobbying just the opposite after the loss to Auburn?

I guess it's which shoe needs to fit.


And what I find ironic, not about Saban necessarily, but coaches in his position is this: When another team is betting somebody at halftime or post game after a team has lost the reporters always ask about "what did they (the other team) do, etc" and coaches always, everyone one I've ever heard, answer that question by making it about their own team. Execution issues, penalties, miss tackles, asignmenets as to say "it isn't about the other team, it's about what we didn't do to win".

Then when it comes to post season national title consideration all of sudden these coaches are finding flaws with other teams to compare their own against. It comes down to looking in the mirror.

Had Alabama not gotten in all they had do was look at the Auburn loss. Ohio State didn't get in, look at the bad Iowa loss. USC didn't get in, look at the bad Notre Dame loss. Unless you are undefeated there is nobody else that took something away from you, you took the opportunity away from yourself.

But funny about Saban. On sportscenter as part of his "pick us" phone call he literally said "Georgia lost to Auburn by more than we did". For a coach to be saying that kind of stuff is a bad look.

Bottom line, win more games and you'll almost always get to where you want to be.


nebish - 12/5/2017 at 09:18 PM

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I think Ohio State should have gotten into the playoff instead of Alabama but I guess you could have flipped a coin between the two. I think that blowout loss to Iowa really hurt The Bucks.


So, you were okay last year when OSU got into the playoffs under nearly identical circumstance?

Alabama lost ONE game - albeit late in the season to in-state rival, Auburn. I'm actually one of the folks who THOUGT that conference play-offs were supposed to be the bracket to determine the CHAMPIONSHIP play-offs. But it has been pointed out to me that those games exist only to make money (heavy cynicism on my part).

Years ago, when the new play-off system was being touted as the sure-fire way of determining a champion - I was stating that it would create an entire new set of problems. The championship will likely always be "mythical".




Not unless you expand the playoffs to eight teams.

Alabama lost to Auburn a week after playing Mercer at home. How come strength-of-schedule and playing a cupcake late in the year every year hurts everyone else except Alabama?


Agreed, playing Mercer should have disqualified Alabama as they are an FCS team. The SEC and ACC should go to a 9 game conference schedule like the rest of the conferences.


But FBS teams are not excluded from playing FCS teams and many teams play FCS teams.

Not all FCS teams are garbage either. Mercer is bad. But many FCS teams are infact better than many FBS teams. I would take any team in the FCS playoffs to beat the worst 5 teams in the Big Ten straight up.

I believe the only two programs to have never played an FCS school is USC and UCLA.

Going to 9 conference games would be an improvement and I am glad the PAC12 and Big 10 have done it (Big Xll did it out of necessity in their now 10 team league). But that still presents a problem, in leagues of 12 or 14 teams, you play 8 conference games you are still not playing 3 or 5 teams from your own conference every year. You are in a league that doesn't play 5 of your own members, your own counterparts, your own supposed equals, that is a problem.

And the problem is Wisconsin this season. Their 8 game Big Ten schedule saw them miss the 3 other best teams in the league, Michigan St, Penn St, and Ohio St. In their 9th game, which you could say they only got to Indy thanks to that weak schedule, they finally did play one of the other 10 win teams from the other division and they lost.

Success for a team shouldn't be determined by who you don't play thanks to the schedule maker, it should be determined by who you beat and in large conferences we have these days it isn't possible to truly play it out on the field like it used to be.

So in the quest for more money and growth we actually have diminished the overall quality and legitimacy of the conference champions we are crowning. But making more money and doing the right thing aren't always compatible as we know.


porkchopbob - 12/5/2017 at 09:44 PM

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And the problem is Wisconsin this season. Their 8 game Big Ten schedule saw them miss the 3 other best teams in the league, Michigan St, Penn St, and Ohio St. In their 9th game, which you could say they only got to Indy thanks to that weak schedule, they finally did play one of the other 10 win teams from the other division and they lost.



As a Badger alum I agree with this, but it's why I think Alabama is a better team than OSU. I hate that the BIG 10 (B16 or whatever) split into 2 divisions. Now UW plays maybe 1 good BIG10 team a season because the BIG 10 West is garbage (Iowa, NW, or Nebraska occasionally make some noise). Meanwhile PSU, Michigan, MSU, and OSU battle it out all season in the East. I'm glad UW made it interesting in the championship game against OSU, but they were ranked way too high. They should still be behind Auburn, who played Georgia twice while UW played only a single team that finished in the Top 25 (Northwestern). I actually think USC is the team we should be talking about and not OSU, but I guess we'll find out in the Cotton Bowl.

8-game playoff system would be great, but there will never be a perfect solution. What makes this OSU/Bama talk irrelevant is either team is the worst of the 4 playoff teams. OSU was previously ranked 8th for a reason.


fensranger - 12/5/2017 at 09:57 PM

interesting conversation-- someone said there is no worthy number 4 team. who knows. every team in playoff had a bad game. its difficult to go undefeated---too many variables. i think if you go the conference champion only route you need an 8 team playoff-probably top 6 conferences and one or two independents (which can come from another conference as well). Then i buy that argument

If not, i think with a 4 team playoff you cannot just make it conference champion. so far only the SEC has had this dilemma but at some point it will fall to other conferences as well. If Alabama should win which i think is a possibility then aren't they the best team?

I think they deserved to get in with one loss versus 2 for OSU but can see other side as well.

Anyhow more importantly GO ARMY!!!! 2 in a row!!!!


nebish - 12/5/2017 at 11:20 PM

The thing about the unworthy 4th spot, I definitely said that, someone else may've as well. I think body of work and "eye test" whatever you want to say, very few, if anyone, would argue that Clemson, Oklahoma and Georgia are the 3 most deserving and proven and I'll add elite teams in the country. Each one of them has earned the right to play on for the chance to win it all.

4? USC has not been dominant in their wins. USC is a good team, and by me say do not deserve a national title shot isn't to be taken to say they aren't good. But clearly they are not elite. They've only outgained their opponents by 1100 yards on the season. By comparison Clemson is +2200 yards. Oklahoma +2500. Georgia +2100. Now, I am not down on the PAC12. To the contrary I think the PAC 12 is actually one of the deepest most competitive leagues this year, with the ACC. So while USC faced some decent competition on a weekly basis, they did not handle those games with the dominance one should or would expect from a national title contender - historically speaking compared to the outstanding teams that have competed for and won it before.

So that is USC.

I think I may've touched on this here before about Alabama or Ohio State, or that could've been somewhere else, but this is the worst the SEC has been in a very long time. It's not Alabama's fault necessarily, but it is their fault that essentially the Tide had a 1 game season and they lost that. It would be like letting Wisconsin into the playoff after losing the B1G Title. In I will defend Alabama's nonconference schedule very strongly on the other hand. Their games against Fresno and Colorado State are very good mid major teams this year. Fresno exceeded everyone's expectations and CSU was a little off, but still quality opponent. The FSU game, anyone who watches and follows the sport like we do knows that the week 1 healthy FSU team was one hell of a challenge. If Francois had not gotten hurt and 1 or 2 plays changed in that game, FSU very well could've won that game. What FSU became post the Francois injury compared to week 1 are very very different teams for reasons you already know or we can get into if needed. So throwing out Mercer against Alabama matters very little to me because in all reality that was their only layup out of confernece all year. Problem is they faced layups in their conference just about weekly. And they finished second in the west and they team they lost to lost the title game, yet they get in.

As bad as the SEC is this year to think they have 50% of the playoff spots open to the entire country really makes me upset. If this was a strong year for the SEC I might be able to concede my position a little, while still disagreeing with it, I could acknowledge the difficulty and strength of a good SEC. 2017 was not a good SEC. People say things like "it makes no sense to have a 4 team playoff when you have 5 P5 conferences" Yeah well look at it now, a 4 team playoff and only 3 of the 5 P5 conferences get in. How you like them apples?

So that is that.

What I think would be outstanding is a P5 4 team playoff and a G5 (group of 5 - the midmajors) 4 team playoff featuring conference champions only. I would enthusiastically go to bat on that one.

The problem with the 8 team model is this, here we are, or I am, saying that there is no worthy 4th team. So then we are just going to open the door to other "nonworthy" teams to fill spots 5, 6, 7, 8? If you are going to do that then just make it conference champs only. Everyone knows the rules, no committee, win your league and you are in. Sure there are 10 leagues in FBS currently, so 2 would be shut out. And if we use a host of computer rankings like the BCS used to we would find out that some years the Sun Belt Champ or the MAC Champ or the CUSA Champ, or whatever, 2 teams each year wouldn't make it - and likely for good reason. But taking 8 out of the 10 and playing them off is the fairest way to do it. If not keep it at 4, subdivide the current P5 and G5 teams making up the 130 teams currently classified together and do dual 4 team playoffs.

What about Notre Dame? I knew somebody was going to ask. Well, it shouldn't be the ncaa's problem to make a system that fits independents, make the 4 independents fit into the system if they want to participate for the national championship. There is it.

I would like to echo one very important statement in closing....GO ARMY BEAT NAVY!!!! CIC coming to West Point!!


Jerry - 12/6/2017 at 12:56 AM

So, are you going to watch the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl?


nebish - 12/6/2017 at 01:46 AM

I will most likely watch every minute of every bowl game.

Right now I am most excited about the Camelia, Gasparilla, Birmingham, Dollar General, Foster Farms, Holiday and Arizona Bowls.


Lee - 12/7/2017 at 10:53 AM

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I will most likely watch every minute of every bowl game.

Right now I am most excited about the Camelia, Gasparilla, Birmingham, Dollar General, Foster Farms, Holiday and Arizona Bowls.


I think the bowl game match ups this year are great. As a Big Ten fan, I like that there are four Big Ten / Pac Ten games:

Purdue/Arizona
Michigan State/Washington State
Penn State/Washington
Ohio State/USC Really looking forward to this. Reminds me of the old Rose Bowl games in the 70s & 80s.

Regarding Michigan State, MSU fans are livid that Michigan gets a New Years Day game and the Spartans are in The Holiday Bowl.

Oh Jerry, The Rose & Sugar Bowls aren't on at the same time.


nebish - 12/8/2017 at 11:24 PM

BOWL PICK'EM - YAHOO IS NO LONGER OFFERING ONE

I just tried to create our bowl pick'em and saw this message:

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Thank you for playing Yahoo Sports College Bowl Pick'em!

We will not be offering College Bowl Pick'em for the 2017 college football season. We thank you very much for playing our game over the years and hope you will continue to play our other fantasy games.




I can set one up on espn or ccbs, everyone would have to sign up for a username there then. Please advise what you would like.


Lee - 12/9/2017 at 01:10 PM

Any money involved or just bragging rights?

I could put a six pack or two of some Chicago beer up against a couple of you knuckleheads.


DanB - 12/9/2017 at 03:14 PM

quote:
BOWL PICK'EM - YAHOO IS NO LONGER OFFERING ONE

I just tried to create our bowl pick'em and saw this message:

quote:


Thank you for playing Yahoo Sports College Bowl Pick'em!

We will not be offering College Bowl Pick'em for the 2017 college football season. We thank you very much for playing our game over the years and hope you will continue to play our other fantasy games.




I can set one up on espn or ccbs, everyone would have to sign up for a username there then. Please advise what you would like.


espn is pretty easy. I'm in either way


Lee - 12/10/2017 at 11:23 AM

Army / Navy was entertaining. Always a fun game. Maybe Army is going to start a trend in this.


nebish - 12/11/2017 at 03:40 AM

If there was not a single college football game played beyond that Army-Navy game I would be content and happy. That was a great game, everything else is going to pale in comparison to me. The season is over. It's always anti-climactic for me at this point.

I will set up a bowl pick'em with espn.


nebish - 12/11/2017 at 03:53 AM

OK, everyone with a public email should've gotten the invite for the espn bowl pick'em league. It is a confidence points based straight up pick'em as we have done before. Never set up a league on espn so don't know exactly how to tell people to sign up who didn't get the email, maybe try this:

Get in the action now:
http://games.espn.com/college-bowl-mania/2017/en/group?invitesource=email&a mp;groupID=182540&inviteuser=e0Q0NkNCM0QzLUQ5MTMtNEQ4OS1BQ0IzLUQzRDkxM0 VEODk5MX0%3D&ex_cid=bowlmania2016_email&groupp=TWF5ZmllbGQ%3D

Group: Whipping Post Goes Bowlin
Password: Mayfield


Lee - 12/11/2017 at 11:08 AM

Yeah that Army / Navy game was a classic. I love that this game is always the last one of the season.

Scott, this is probably a dumb question but by straight up you are saying no spreads, correct?


Lee - 12/11/2017 at 12:52 PM

And do you know how one is supposed to rank the teams? All I can figure out is which team to pick. Thanks!


nebish - 12/12/2017 at 03:31 PM

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Scott, this is probably a dumb question but by straight up you are saying no spreads, correct?

And do you know how one is supposed to rank the teams? All I can figure out is which team to pick. Thanks!


There is no point spread.

I'll have to look tonight or tomorrow all I did was set it up and haven't tried making picks yet.


nebish - 12/12/2017 at 08:14 PM

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And do you know how one is supposed to rank the teams? All I can figure out is which team to pick. Thanks!


OK I just looked. Right next to where you check your "pick" there is a box that says "move". Once you click move the board opens up with buttons that say "here". Click that and it moves to that spot.

So far there is 4 of us signed up; me, Lee, Sang and DanB. Let's get the pick'em group together for one more piece of action this football season!


Lee - 12/13/2017 at 12:35 PM

Got it, that was easy. Thanks!

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooo Toledo!


Lee - 12/14/2017 at 01:37 PM

Just two days til Bowl Season!


nebish - 12/16/2017 at 03:30 PM

Coot! You won the season long pick'em you have to play the bowl pick'em too!


oldcoot - 12/16/2017 at 05:32 PM

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Coot! You won the season long pick'em you have to play the bowl pick'em too!


No, I don't!

Will be wagering the games though. Hoping to complete the "daily double " and win the pro pick 'em too.


nebish - 12/22/2017 at 02:17 PM

These last 3 bowl games have been just dreadful to watch. Some of the most uncompetitive one-sided games in a row I can ever remember.


nebish - 12/22/2017 at 06:39 PM

Only 2 of 8 bowl games so far have been decided by single digits. Looks like it will be 2 of 9 the way this Ohio game is going.


Lee - 12/22/2017 at 07:14 PM

Yeah, glad I put quite a bit on Ohio.

I kind of like CMU over Wyoming in the next one. I think this one should be close.


nebish - 12/22/2017 at 07:32 PM

Yes I do believe the Central Mich - Wyoming game will be a close one. Pretty similar teams really. Wyoming fans weren't real happy with their bowl draw. I guess Boise isn't very easy (or cheap) for them to get to even though it is pretty close as the crow flies. CMich probably won't have a ton of fans there either. I think CMich should be fairly motivated however...unless they transfered in, no CM player has won a bowl game. 2 of their 3 prior losses were 1 possession games. Josh Allen gets so much hype, too much if you ask me. He did have a very good 2016 with some good WRs/TE and RB weapons, this year it is just him and his playmaking has been greatly hurt by it. I think if Allen relies more on his legs and running today rather than the passing game that is Wyoming's best chance. CM has a decent QB, you might remember, former UM Shane Morris.

Likely going to be cold and snowy.


Lee - 12/23/2017 at 01:55 AM

Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllll, I guess we have to wait another day until we MIGHT get a good game. Sheesh, this is ridiculous.


nebish - 12/23/2017 at 05:33 AM

Yeah, this game sucked too. I've been about done with college football since Army-Navy. Trying to keep the passion going, but it is fake at this point. These games have sucked. Central Michigan turned it over 8 times today, EIGHT! SMU turned it over 6 times. These teams aren't just losing, they are turning in their worst, or near worst efforts of the entire season!


oldcoot - 12/23/2017 at 04:09 PM

Hoping for no defense at all for S Fla and T Tech game.


nebish - 12/23/2017 at 05:08 PM

I have Tex Tech and App St today. Couldn't decide on the SDSt - Army game.


oldcoot - 12/23/2017 at 08:12 PM

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I have Tex Tech and App St today. Couldn't decide on the SDSt - Army game.



I took SDSU. They've seen two option teams this year and their coach's teams are 11-1 against option teams the last twelve games. Plus, it isn't that Army doesn't pass, they can't pass. SDSU isn't all that exciting, but, I think they have the athletes to cover. They'll feed Penny a bunch today.


oldcoot - 12/23/2017 at 08:58 PM

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Hoping for no defense at all for S Fla and T Tech game.



Cha-ching!


Lee - 12/23/2017 at 09:18 PM

SFA wins. I am in first place in my college pick em pool. Quite a princely sum at stake.


Lee - 12/23/2017 at 09:23 PM

Finally got a competitive bowl game.


oldcoot - 12/23/2017 at 11:40 PM

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quote:
I have Tex Tech and App St today. Couldn't decide on the SDSt - Army game.



I took SDSU. They've seen two option teams this year and their coach's teams are 11-1 against option teams the last twelve games. Plus, it isn't that Army doesn't pass, they can't pass. SDSU isn't all that exciting, but, I think they have the athletes to cover. They'll feed Penny a bunch today.


clunk-clank-sploing


nebish - 12/24/2017 at 03:57 AM

I had a large investment in App St but still I can't fathom Toledo getting shut out. Some of these teams just don't seem to care. At least the USF and Army games were very good entertainment.


Lee - 12/24/2017 at 12:52 PM

Come on Mr. Grinch.

At least we got two out of three good games yesterday. FINALLY!

But I certainly agree about Toledo. How on earth can they get shutout?



crazyjoe - 12/25/2017 at 01:18 PM

A good part of my town and Family history, has completely faded, I live in small town NW Indiana, at one time in the early 70''s this town would have 3 or 4 cigar stores where Folks would drink coffee, eat donuts, punch punch boards and bet on football and keep linked with each other. In the early 70's the returning Vietnam Vets bought them up and ran them, my Proud Grandpa and Dad brought me down there to shoot pool and play pinball, eat free donuts, candy and root beer, I eventually introduced my kids and Grand son , for me 5 generations of social memories, You would see Your school teachers there, the guy You shook hands with at Church, a your Little League Coach, Great Pride was shown in local sports!!!! Well my Grandson is 6, he was a regular down there for 3 years he received tons of hugs kisses, dolled bills shoved in his pockets etc. It's all gone 2 years ago excise shut rumor has it, the guys who ran it were all sick and old. Lot of good memories and ghosts lingering around. Still watch every game, but not as much fun as when I had 3$ riding on a parlay card! Well, thanks for letting me vent........Love Ya'll Much ........joe

[Edited on 12/25/2017 by crazyjoe]


nebish - 12/26/2017 at 01:53 PM

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A good part of my town and Family history, has completely faded, I live in small town NW Indiana, at one time in the early 70''s this town would have 3 or 4 cigar stores where Folks would drink coffee, eat donuts, punch punch boards and bet on football and keep linked with each other. In the early 70's the returning Vietnam Vets bought them up and ran them, my Proud Grandpa and Dad brought me down there to shoot pool and play pinball, eat free donuts, candy and root beer, I eventually introduced my kids and Grand son , for me 5 generations of social memories, You would see Your school teachers there, the guy You shook hands with at Church, a your Little League Coach, Great Pride was shown in local sports!!!! Well my Grandson is 6, he was a regular down there for 3 years he received tons of hugs kisses, dolled bills shoved in his pockets etc. It's all gone 2 years ago excise shut rumor has it, the guys who ran it were all sick and old. Lot of good memories and ghosts lingering around. Still watch every game, but not as much fun as when I had 3$ riding on a parlay card! Well, thanks for letting me vent........Love Ya'll Much ........joe

[Edited on 12/25/2017 by crazyjoe]


Some cool memories, I can almost close my eyes and picture the setting.

I'm in my 40s. Times change, people change, how we interact are changing.

When I was in my early teens, one of my favorite things to do I used to walk about a mile to this coin and stamp shop with whatever allowance or gift money I had accumulated. I would spend hours and hours in there looking through 3-ring binders of the football cards they had, occasionally and selectively picking out some of the best players from years before my time. All the old timers in there would talk about sports, smoking cigars. Other people coming in the store, not to buy anything, but to sit and talk to the guys behind the counter. Now a Walgreens sits on the same spot that coin shop once was.

Just about everything, I kind of reminisce and romanticize my younger years. Sporting events meant more, I think, because it was less saturated than now and everyone and everything wasn't so overexposed.

Games get a little more interesting this week.

Where is stratdal? Rosen rumor saying he won't play due to concussion concerns, doctor's orders. Read he would play if cleared, not wanting to sit out to protect himself or draft position...unless it is a front to not look bad. Playing behind that Bruin OL has been hazardous to his health.


nebish - 12/26/2017 at 01:58 PM

That ESPN pick'em site sucks. I constantly get error messages and have to keep reloading, I feel like I am trying to buy tickets to a tough event on TM just to make my picks or check everyone else's.


Lee - 12/26/2017 at 09:43 PM

Well Scott, another game and another rout...

Being from Detroit, I hope The Motor City Bowl (or whatever it is now called) is a good game.


nebish - 12/26/2017 at 10:29 PM

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Well Scott, another game and another rout...

Being from Detroit, I hope The Motor City Bowl (or whatever it is now called) is a good game.


Yeah, that game was pretty brutal. WVU was pretty undermanned and played really poorly, but even for scoring 30 pts, Utah was really sloppy as well with several dropped catches and potential INTs. It was hard to watch, I had to leave it for a while it was just bad football.

Watching Little Caesars Pizza Bowl now - aka Motor City Bowl aka Quick Lane aka Ford Subsidiary Bowl.


Lee - 12/27/2017 at 09:34 PM

ANOTHER blowout bowl? Sheesh...


nebish - 12/27/2017 at 11:31 PM

Hope you are enjoying your holidays Lee. Even if we aren't enjoying competitive football games.

Saturdays have been great for upsets atleast. 4 out of 5 on the opening Saturday and 2 out of 3 last Saturday. Other that that, favorites are winning and covering the M-F games at a 8-1 rate so far. As happens alot in bowl season, but even more so far this year, point spreads have yet to matter, straight up winner has covered every game, fav or dog. BC looking much better than Iowa so far in this one, but close on the scoreboard.

I'm large on Texas tonight. Hook 'Em!

I want to bet the Purdue - Arizona game, but just can't get comfortable enough with either side.


StratDal - 12/28/2017 at 02:00 AM

Enjoyed watching Iowa win its bowl game. Iowa's game time salute to cancer patients puts it all in perspective. Every football fan should watch the Gameday segment before they watch or attend a football game.

GO DAWGS!


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 07:22 PM

Very curious call in this Virginia-Navy game near the end of the 1st qrt. A Navy defender very clearly made deliberate helmet-to-helmet contact with the UVA QB on 3rd and 10. The ref threw the flag, then picked it up, saying there was no targeting - which by the rule, there clearly was as they showed on TV replay. And the game officials did not stop play to review it, which they can do for targeting, even if the refs do not call it, the replay officials can stop play for review. It was clear targeting to the exact definition. Will be watching to see if there are other "favors" going Navy's way in this one.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 07:28 PM

Thanks Scott, you too!

Boy, you have a lot of time to digest all those stats!



We did get a couple of good games yesterday. The Iowa/BC and Purdue/Arizona were decent matchups.

And the Big Ten is 2-0.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 07:33 PM

That was clearly a judgement call. To me it looked like he grazed the QB's helmet which I guess if you hit the guy in the head is probably a personal foul at the least nowadays. Not sure I agree it was targeting though.

Indeed it was an interesting call.


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 07:43 PM

That just goes to show, here, you and I two people watching the same play have different opinions on it.

Which is why I laugh when people say "we need instant replay to get the call right"...well the only guarantee is you are going to get the opinion of the replay official, because after all what really is or isn't right on most of these things? Almost all of them are judgements and different people will look at them different ways.

I've bet just about every game, so I know off the top of my head alot of those ATS stats. Been a tough year to pick games. Several I haven't decided on until right up to kickoff and in others I pick one way in our pick'em pool and bet the other way. Lots of close matchups on paper makes it hard. Motivation is always the big one. And which teams improve over the bowl break or which ones regress.

What did you think about the fake kneel down bum-a-rooskie inspired play by Purdue? I thought it was pretty awesome, but I am reading alot of controversy with people thinking it was unfair to appear to concede with a kneel down only to run a trick play off of it. Play to the whistle right?


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 07:52 PM

Didn't see that play you are referring to. BUT, that occasionally happens. The first time I recall it was in an NFL game. And you are right; don't stop. Serves you right if you get burnt on it. Not illegal...


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 07:55 PM

I took the under (51) in the Navy game. As long as Virginia's offense keeps struggling I'm not worried. Navy runs a lot of clock.

But for the life of me, I can't understand why teams struggle stopping Navy. All they do is run and the plays are pretty much the same.


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 08:01 PM

It is just their superior execution. They run alot of variations off a limited number of plays like you say, but they are just so precise and experienced in what they want to do. It is how they make their living. Additional prep to stop the option definitely helps the D, but the D can't match the level of execution Navy brings.

I am a little surprised Navy is on the cusp of scoring 28 in the first half, but I am more surprised that Virginia's O hasn't threatened to score once (not counting KO return). Teams with good passing games and WRs with size and speed have always given Navy D trouble, but Virginia has been unable to exploit that.

If nothing else, Virginia's O should be able to mount a comeback. Navy will make it tough trying to own TOP in the second half, but SMU was down like 18 or something at Navy with a similar O style and a bad D that made timely stops, SMU almost came back to win that game. So I won't be turning this one off yet.


oldcoot - 12/28/2017 at 08:30 PM

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I took the under (51) in the Navy game. As long as Virginia's offense keeps struggling I'm not worried. Navy runs a lot of clock.

But for the life of me, I can't understand why teams struggle stopping Navy. All they do is run and the plays are pretty much the same.



I took Navy primarily because quite a bit in bowl games the team's desire to play is a big factor. Any service academy will always keep coming at you for all 60 minutes. This one looks pretty good, which is nice after an 0-2 yesterday.

Have Stanford getting three later and may take the Spartans giving one.


oldcoot - 12/28/2017 at 08:35 PM

Tanner Lee declares for the NFL draft.




WTF?


(He stinks!)


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 08:39 PM

Lee to the NFL? At one point at Tulane and in the transfer to Nebraska he was believed to have some pro-potential, but this season certainly ruined those chances. I guess he will probably land on a camp or preseason roster and might be able to make a practice squad or emergency QB at some point. It is really funny, if you have ever looked at some of the names on NFL practice squads, you would never believe the QBs still getting an NFL paycheck.

He could've transferred again, to try and improve himself, probably would've had to have gone to a IAA.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 08:41 PM

I bet the under on the Navy game mostly as an afterthought. I put more on them to win so I guess I shouldn't bitch. My site went from Virginia -1 to Navy -3 in like two hours. So I jumped when it moved that much. Sounds silly but I figure someone knows something.

Michigan State is giving three on mine. That is kind of telling. And not to sway you guys but as a Meeechigan guy, the Spartans are PISSED that they are playing today and Michigan got a New Year's game. Can't say I blame them. MSU and the Bucks both beat them and Michigan gets New Year's. Really?


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 08:48 PM

Yeah, I followed that story on the MSU feeling snubbed when Michigan got to go to the "new year's day" florida destination bowl. I read the selection process for the bowl, the committee voted and they picked Michigan. Saw some player quotes about it and then saw the tweets from Harbaugh and Dantonio. Fuels the rivalry.

The Holiday Bowl and San Diego is a fantastic bowl and destination however.

I do think that this can play right into Dantonio's typical selling point of not being respected.

I have flipped on this game so many times I lost count. I think WSt D is respectable, but I also think that Lewerke could pose some problems for them with his running. WSt's DC has one foot out the door, rumor he is going to Ohio State as a 10th assistant coach. He did do really good work on that Coug D the last few years.

WSt will be without their top 2 WRs, one dismissed and one announced transfer. Some people think that isn't as big of a deal as it normally would based on the system, but I think it could matter.

One angle for WSt is the fact they were in this bowl last year and were upset by Minny. So chances are they are more focused and motivated than a typical team would be returning to the same site as last year's bowl.

Again, a really hard game for me to pick.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 08:56 PM

What is that Lee guy thinking? Does he not know the draft class for QBs next year? Someone is giving him bad advice. At least it isn't like coming out early in the NBA where you are pretty much screwed if you aren't picked in the first round.


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 08:58 PM

Tanner Lee doesn't have the hype around him, but remember DeShon Kizer came out early from ND after an atrocious season and was rewarded with starting for the Browns.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 09:02 PM

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I do think that this can play right into Dantonio's typical selling point of not being respected.




As I said, I am a Michigan guy and growing up there, Dantonio is late to the party on that thought. The Spartans have ALWAYS felt like the red headed step child. My whole life they have been pissed that Michigan doesn't consider them their biggest rival. Sorry, Ohio State is way bigger and to a lesser extent so is Notre Dame.

Try being a UM fan and going to MSU for grad school. That was interesting.


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 09:05 PM

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Try being a UM fan and going to MSU for grad school. That was interesting.


Ha!


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 09:07 PM

I can get Va Tech and a touchdown. I might put a little on it.

That Stanford/TCU game should be interesting. Both had an outside shot at getting into the Championship so who knows who shows up? That's the thing with some of these bowl games. Seems like there are always times when you never know if a team really wants to be there.


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 09:08 PM

Did you say you bet under 51 for the game or the Virginia team total? Geesh. How embarrassed must Virginia be with this game? Like a broken record this year, one team plays above their potential and another team just doesn't even show up.

Atleast yesterday provided some good games. Today is still young.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 09:32 PM

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At least yesterday provided some good games. Today is still young.


Yeah if I am ambitious I will try to stay awake to watch the Michigan State game. If I was REALLY ambitious I would go to one of the handful of MSU bars here in Chicago. But the five degree temps might just make me stay on the couch.


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 09:41 PM

I'm going the couch route!


oldcoot - 12/28/2017 at 09:51 PM

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Did you say you bet under 51 for the game or the Virginia team total? Geesh. How embarrassed must Virginia be with this game? Like a broken record this year, one team plays above their potential and another team just doesn't even show up.

Atleast yesterday provided some good games. Today is still young.


Some credit to the Hokie defense, but Virgina's offense hardly showed up for a big rivalry game, shutout. And today, they run the opening kickoff back and then nothing again. And, with a "pro caliber" QB.


oldcoot - 12/28/2017 at 09:54 PM

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Lee to the NFL? At one point at Tulane and in the transfer to Nebraska he was believed to have some pro-potential, but this season certainly ruined those chances. I guess he will probably land on a camp or preseason roster and might be able to make a practice squad or emergency QB at some point. It is really funny, if you have ever looked at some of the names on NFL practice squads, you would never believe the QBs still getting an NFL paycheck.

He could've transferred again, to try and improve himself, probably would've had to have gone to a IAA.



I imagine he knows how much Frost's system requires a mobile, dual threat QB and could pretty well assume if he stayed, little to no playing time next year. Only thing I can deduce because he just isn't very good.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 09:59 PM

That last meaningless touchdown cost me on the O/U.

Somewott like the last play of the Philly/Oakland game the other night. I would have tied had they kicked the point after but I can understand why you wouldn't. That affected my standing in our NFL Pick Em pool. Could cost me a handful of C notes.


Lee - 12/28/2017 at 10:01 PM

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I'm going the couch route!


Tim?


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 10:03 PM

There have definitely been more of those end of the game lateral BS scores this year than ever, college and pro! Last year there was a phenomenon of teams running back onside kicks for scores. This year D scores on lateral plays. It's always something screwing with you one way or the other.


nebish - 12/28/2017 at 10:04 PM

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quote:
I'm going the couch route!


Tim?


Reminds me of a UK bowl I bet on when they played Syracuse. UK lost. They had a really good TE that year and he got hurt early in the game, ugly injury, like dislocated elbow or something. UK was in shock without him and Cuse rolled...and I lost.


oldcoot - 12/28/2017 at 10:24 PM

Plunked some down on the Cowboys, OSU ones.


oldcoot - 12/29/2017 at 02:13 AM

Easy cover by Okie State....


oldcoot - 12/29/2017 at 05:35 AM

Easy cover by Stanford......

Spartans roll! Points went up, Falk injury no doubt.

4-0 day.


Lee - 12/29/2017 at 01:42 PM

Wow, great day coot! I only split. Did put a handsome sum on Michigan State last night though.


Lee - 12/29/2017 at 01:43 PM

TCU/Stanford game was good. Even though it cost me.


Lee - 12/29/2017 at 02:08 PM

And the point spread finally mattered FWIW.


nebish - 12/29/2017 at 05:41 PM

Dogs going to be barking today! Big time!


oldcoot - 12/29/2017 at 05:52 PM

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Wow, great day coot! I only split. Did put a handsome sum on Michigan State last night though.



Thanks!


Just one game today, USC +8 1/2.


Lee - 12/29/2017 at 08:32 PM

Okay, Wake Forest is starting to frost my buttons.


oldcoot - 12/29/2017 at 10:15 PM

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Okay, Wake Forest is starting to frost my buttons.


Sounds like you and neb are on opposite sides of this one. Wonder what the spread was for each? My sports accountant started at WF -3 but went to 5 today. Every favorite went up. NC State to -7, N'Western from -8 to -10, Utah State to -5 1/2 and Ohio State from 7 1/2 to 8 1/2.

Sadistic side of me would have loved a 55-55 overtime for WF & A&M.


Lee - 12/29/2017 at 10:41 PM

Push. I was happy to get out of it with my bet back to be honest.


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 06:08 AM

Alot of line moves today.

When bowls came out December 3rd I knew based on the matchups and lines I was going to be firing on dogs today.

I started with a small wager on WF, but -3.5 which lost. I hate betting favorites and losing! But I unloaded on both UK and NMSt plus pts and MLs. NMSt has easily been my favorite team this year for spot betting and are a great story. The UK game had alot of weird stuff going on, but shot to win with a 2pt play at the end, that would've been huge as I went full C-note on both those straight up MLs. Atleast NMSt came through. I did lose a curiosity bet on ASU and had more than I would've liked on USC +10, which had several chances to push in the second half. That OSU O is pretty bad. Alabama and Clemson or Georgia could easily shut that Buckeye O out.


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 12:51 PM

You should have bought a half point. I've started to do that recently when a line is 3.5 or 7.5, regardless of picking the favorite or underdog. At least on my betting site all it does is change the payout a little. I don't have to actually lay out more cash to do it.


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 01:31 PM

Haven't been doing too well with the college games this week although I can still win some $$$ in my pick em pool. As such, I looked up the lines on cricket today:

Adelaide Strikers vs Brisbane Heat. Adelaide is a big favorite but I kind of like the Brisbane Heat. There are no lines so I guess you should take the favorite.

If I do okay today I am going to put something on the cricket game. Match? I don't know what it's called.


oldcoot - 12/30/2017 at 04:13 PM

You know you have a problem when you're wagering cricket.....


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 04:19 PM

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You know you have a problem when you're wagering cricket.....


I was going to say the same thing!

I asked my "accountant" if I could bet some NASCAR for the Homestead race. I did really well. He said "no more NASCAR". It was funny because he knows nothing about NASCAR and it was like I was stealing or something.

Since I go the old school route I don't bet online. Many years ago I did open a couple accounts, but I like the relationship with the guy. It really is a great relationship. Alot of trust and I really value that.

I used to ask if I could pay double juice for a 1/2 pt line move, but I stopped several years ago. I could tell he didn't like it much since nobody else he has was doing it. It kind of complicates things on his end when different people have different numbers that otherwise aren't available. Now I just watch the line moves constantly as the game approaches and when I see something get to a number I like I take it. I've won by the 1/2 and lost by the 1/2 plenty of times. Sucks when it is on a key number, but I know what the price is going in so I either buy it or not.


oldcoot - 12/30/2017 at 04:21 PM

Couldn't believe how pedestrian both offenses were last night in the Cotton.

A defensive score and a 19 and 15 yard "drive" for three of the four tds.

Darnold's hand signal for the snap was allowing Ohio State to time their blitzes and regular pass rush to perfection. I found it difficult to believe that USC couldn't have changed that up to slow down the pass rush. It's no wonder Darnold had little time to find an open receiver. And when they did get in the red zone, OSU just ratcheted up their blitzes and pressure.


oldcoot - 12/30/2017 at 04:28 PM

Today I'm on Penn State and mulling Miami. It's really a home game for the Hurricanes.

Wisconsin had a shot at a National Title and now doesn't. Still, their game is basically a smashmouth, physical running game which plays well under all conditions. Miami had a shot at a National Title and now doesn't. Will they play with any fire?

Big Ten teams are winning their bowl games, so, I could still swing to the Badgers, or, just leave it alone.

Interested in other perspectives on Central Fla vs. Auburn. Tigers obviously have the most talent, but will they care all that much? They've lost three times and blew their shot at playing for it all. CFU will definitely play with fire, they're still angling for an unbeaten season. Thoughts?


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 04:47 PM

I lean Miami myself. I think with the way this season has ended, I do think they care today. Wisconsin always cares and you get the same Badger team just about every week every year. So they will be tough. Miami is at home, helps the preparation, takes away some of the "specialness" of the bowl for the Canes players. One thing, this will not be a typical home game for Miami. I doubt the U fans care as much as I hope the players do. There will be a TON of red at that game tonight. Badger fans will be very loud.

I have a tough time on the UCF-Auburn game. I have an affinity for underdogs and always want a team like UCF in this situation to do well. It is going to be hard. You know 'A' game vs 'A' game, Auburn should win somewhat easily. There is a history of some teams not caring in bowls like this..aka Alabama vs Utah and Alabama vs Oklahoma. Lots of others, those are the highest profile examples. I don't think that Auburn has the annual expectations and goals that Bama does so I feel they should generally be more motivated than some might think. Auburn also lost their bowl game last year, so I think that helps their potential motivation. UCF should be really up for this game, attempting to finish undefeated is a really big deal. But you have to wonder if the distractions of the staff recruiting for Nebraska, traveling back and forth to Lincoln and other recruiting areas might've taken some focus off of the bowl practices. Did you hear, a UCF kid was talking **** ? Auburn responded with all the right answers, but it might make Auburn stay a little more focused and care a little more in the prep leading up to the game.

The biggest advantages are going to be LOS obviously, and the depth. In most scenarios you would expect Auburn DL and OL to make life really difficult on UCF. UCF does have quality players, this isn't exactly Georgia vs Hawaii. UCF has some dudes to compete, but LOS is going to be a big challenge. Frost is going to have to create one hell of a gameplan to put Milton in situations to succeed and not allow Auburn's strengths to control the game.

As much as I enjoy finding ML dogs to bet on, I can't ML UCF with real money. +10? well, I'd be more willing to go there, but not with a ton of confidence. What I might do is put my minimum amount on UCF +10 and see where the game is at halftime. There may be a chance to get more value on UCF if they are hanging in there, but not behind the number. Or UCF does show up and keeps it close, you might be able to get Auburn onsale in the second half.

Hard game to predict.

[Edited on 12/30/2017 by nebish]


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 05:17 PM

Okay you judges: I can also bet on Olympic ice skating and entertainment.

I thought I would put a few bucks on Nippsy Russell.



Lee - 12/30/2017 at 08:28 PM

I took Wisconsin to win straight up but I think if I had to put money on the game I would take Miami and the points. Right now it is 6.5 and I can buy that extra half point as I mentioned before. Miami at home getting a touchdown against a team that doesn't score a lot seems like a good pick.

I REALLY like Penn St. They are good on both sides of the ball. Washington can put up some points (as they normally do) but I like the program at PSU. For whatever that's worth.


oldcoot - 12/30/2017 at 09:07 PM

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I took Wisconsin to win straight up but I think if I had to put money on the game I would take Miami and the points. Right now it is 6.5 and I can buy that extra half point as I mentioned before. Miami at home getting a touchdown against a team that doesn't score a lot seems like a good pick.

I REALLY like Penn St. They are good on both sides of the ball. Washington can put up some points (as they normally do) but I like the program at PSU. For whatever that's worth.


I'm on PSU also, got them yesterday -2 1/2.

Wisconsin is -7 here, am thinking about over 45 since everyone around here is going under. Wisconsin usually dominates the second half by averaging 17 points more per game. Mix in a few turnovers by both teams, I'm taking a shot on the over.

Penn State went to -4 1/2 here, thought about an in between but think I'll stay with State. The ESPN commentators all picked Washington.


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 09:08 PM

I know you are Michigan fan Lee, but it surprises me to hear you say you like PSU program, most Big Ten fans I've ever been around hate Penn State unless they are Penn St fans. I think it dates to when they joined in 94 and won the league the first year. Then there are other reasons of course.

I am on Washington.

The angles I can see for PSU is that UW often starts slow and is not great away from home. Their O is also not as good as 2016.

I don't think PSU D is very good actually. Neither is PSU OL, PSU OL is actually bad in my opinion, it is why Barkley has struggles so much getting hit in the backfield often for loss. I do like McSorley, he is a gamer and I would take him on any team.

The special teams matchup should be quite interesting. Barkley on KOs and Pettis on punt returns for UW (all time TD ret leader).

I will give PSU some edge to be more creative with their O, they have to be for success because the **** they rolled out in the regular season isn't going to work vs UW.

I think UW D will be among the best PSU has seen and UW, if they utitlize all their weapons (TE Bryant is back from injury - frosh AA), they can definitely test the PSU D like few teams have.

Then there is Peterson. Peterson is great coach. While Franklin is a douche, he too is a good coach. But not sure it gets much better than Peterson outside of the obvious top 3 (Saban, Meyer, Dabo).

Should be good. Penn St going to be hungry for this win. But UW embarrassed in bowl last year, I think they show up and want it too. Hopefully we are entertained for full 60.


oldcoot - 12/30/2017 at 09:13 PM

Overwhelmingly agree on Franklin, complete and total d-bag.


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 09:21 PM

Can't take the over on that. Who knows, I could be wrong. Wisconsin just doesn't score that much.

Regarding Penn State, I did have an issue when they got into The Big Ten. Who cares, they are up to 14 teams now anyway. But Michigan people don't really care about the fact that they are in The Big Ten.

Rutgers. Really?


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 09:39 PM

UW OL getting owned. McSorley came to play as always, UW gets pressure but he evades or gets rid of it. Great pick by the UW DB. PSU looks like they want it.

[Edited on 12/30/2017 by nebish]


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 09:39 PM

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Overwhelmingly agree on Franklin, complete and total d-bag.


Do you think he's better than O' Brien?

Just curious, but he parlayed an awful situation into an NFL job.


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 09:48 PM

Washington has been good second half team this year,,,they better make sure they are still within striking distance if that is going to be the case.


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 10:03 PM

No, too many $$$ on the Lions. It's funny watching the line move when a particular plat happens. It moved five points on a first down. Sheesh...


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 10:06 PM

you live bet?


oldcoot - 12/30/2017 at 10:14 PM

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quote:
Overwhelmingly agree on Franklin, complete and total d-bag.


Do you think he's better than O' Brien?

Just curious, but he parlayed an awful situation into an NFL job.


Franklin is a great recruiter and a decent coach, just a total d-bag. O'Brien is an okay coach too but he never iced a small college kicker leading 56-0 with ten seconds left in the game.

Franklin is a jackass.


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 10:24 PM

I remember when PSU OL couldn't open holes vs Rutgers.

PAC 12 is ass this year. Damn.

Congrats on this one guys. Go Canes later!


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 10:49 PM

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you live bet?


I don't pick anything based on that but I find it funny how a play can move the line.


Lee - 12/30/2017 at 10:52 PM

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I remember when PSU OL couldn't open holes vs Rutgers.

PAC 12 is ass this year. Damn.

Congrats on this one guys. Go Canes later!


Yeah, I am going to get them and the seven. Telling you, that extra half point could come in handy.


oldcoot - 12/30/2017 at 10:54 PM

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quote:
I remember when PSU OL couldn't open holes vs Rutgers.

PAC 12 is ass this year. Damn.

Congrats on this one guys. Go Canes later!


Yeah, I am going to get them and the seven. Telling you, that extra half point could come in handy.


Pains me to type this but, Go 'Canes.


nebish - 12/30/2017 at 10:56 PM

Yeah I hate Miami too. I just grabbed a +7 on them.

Washington lucky to only be down 14. Complete dominance and just down 2 TDs. Washington's stats would suggest they should have 3-7 pts.


oldcoot - 12/31/2017 at 12:12 AM

Still a game in Arizona.


oldcoot - 12/31/2017 at 12:41 AM

Now it's over.

Need 46 points in Miami, plus the 'Canes.


oldcoot - 12/31/2017 at 12:48 AM

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Now it's over.

Need 46 points in Miami, plus the 'Canes.


Line here, up to 8, over/under the same.


Lee - 12/31/2017 at 01:09 AM

Weird. Still seven here.

Thank God for Penn State. Saved my ass.

Still have time to get that cricket bet in.


oldcoot - 12/31/2017 at 01:52 AM

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Weird. Still seven here.

Thank God for Penn State. Saved my ass.

Still have time to get that cricket bet in.



( chirp chirp )



nebish - 12/31/2017 at 02:18 AM

I mitigated Wash loss on +1/2 second H wager. Still lost money net on that one. ISU gave me cushion. I ML'd Miami with the arts. It's a game that will matter for me.


StratDal - 12/31/2017 at 03:24 AM

The Pac 12... "The Conference Of Champions"... SMH. 1-8 this bowl season. Oh well... that's football...


Bhawk - 12/31/2017 at 05:11 PM

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Yeah I hate Miami too. I just grabbed a +7 on them.

Washington lucky to only be down 14. Complete dominance and just down 2 TDs. Washington's stats would suggest they should have 3-7 pts.


Of course we all hate the Canes, but...

...college football is better when Miami is good.


Bhawk - 12/31/2017 at 05:18 PM

Never been sure just how to take conference performance in bowl games, it’s so hard to gauge how seriously any team or program is taking that year’s game. Some fanbases go all out, show up and the team brings it. Other fans don’t show up and the teams don’t either.

Along those lines, so happy for Iowa State on their bowl win and amazing season. Any of us that grew up around the Big 8/12 can tell you that come hell or high water, win or lose, ISU fans are dedicated to the core and never lose hope.

Baker Mayfield has a cold! Other than that, Not much Rose Bowl hype. The comparison of Mayfield to the Jordan With The Flu Game are idiotic, but ESPN gonna ESPN, I guess.

I have this strange feeling that Clemson is gonna smoke Alabama. I’m probably way off.

Anyone else intrigued by the Notre Dame-LSU matchup?


nebish - 12/31/2017 at 07:06 PM

I agree, the bowl season is really a season unto it's own. We see alot of different things out of teams, some good and some bad.

It is hard to ignore the PAC12's performance however. I have never been one to say hey this conference is the best (or worst), just look at their bowl record, for the reason I typed out first here. But these PAC12 teams have just sucked. Utah is their only win, and that was pretty ugly and sloppy, good for them that WVU was without their QB and best RB and 3 OL starters or else that game may've been competitive. Utah didn't win because they played well, just because they played less worse than WVU. Stanford played well in a loss vs TCU. Other than that...

Take Washington yesterday, the best defense in the PAC 12, their worst yardage allowed all season was 410 yards...Penn State wasn't too far away from reaching that IN THE FIRST HALF.

Some of those PAC12 loses perhaps aren't shocking, but some of the higher profile ones have been so ugly that one wonders where and when the conference will gain national respect again.


nebish - 12/31/2017 at 07:08 PM

If somebody would've told me that Miami would outrush Wisconsin before the game, I would've felt pretty good about betting the Canes. Few could've expected that Alex Hornibrook would be the best player on the field based off of how he's played this year. He hasn't always been bad, but he has had some bad moments. But he just dominated the game and was the reason Wisconsin won. 3 Miami turnovers hurt, but 2 missed FGs from the best kicker in Miami history (supposedly) hurt more.


Lee - 1/1/2018 at 01:23 AM

I hate to root for Notre Damn cuz I don't like them but I think they have a good shot.

Take South Carolina and the hook.


Lee - 1/1/2018 at 11:45 AM

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The Pac 12... "The Conference Of Champions"... SMH. 1-8 this bowl season. Oh well... that's football...


No Big Ten (oh wait, 14) losses.


Lee - 1/1/2018 at 11:47 AM

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If somebody would've told me that Miami would outrush Wisconsin before the game, I would've felt pretty good about betting the Canes. Few could've expected that Alex Hornibrook would be the best player on the field based off of how he's played this year. He hasn't always been bad, but he has had some bad moments. But he just dominated the game and was the reason Wisconsin won. 3 Miami turnovers hurt, but 2 missed FGs from the best kicker in Miami history (supposedly) hurt more.


Yeah, tough way to lose a bet. The Jets screwed me that way yesterday as well.


DanB - 1/1/2018 at 01:26 PM

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I have this strange feeling that Clemson is gonna smoke Alabama. /quote]


I damn sure hope so


StratDal - 1/1/2018 at 03:40 PM

Go Dawgs! Go Tigers!


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 05:18 PM

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No, too many $$$ on the Lions. It's funny watching the line move when a particular plat happens. It moved five points on a first down. Sheesh...



I'll sometimes monitor a game online and after every play it will raise or lower the % win chance (this is on a site like Fox Sports etc.). The funny ones to me are when a team's "chances" are 17%, they throw an incomplete pass and it goes up to 18%. I guess you assume if they'd throw a whole lot of incompletes, they'll win!

Rightfully so, I did notice Tampa Bay was a 1% with 4th and 10 on their own five with a minute to go.


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 05:21 PM

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If somebody would've told me that Miami would outrush Wisconsin before the game, I would've felt pretty good about betting the Canes. Few could've expected that Alex Hornibrook would be the best player on the field based off of how he's played this year. He hasn't always been bad, but he has had some bad moments. But he just dominated the game and was the reason Wisconsin won. 3 Miami turnovers hurt, but 2 missed FGs from the best kicker in Miami history (supposedly) hurt more.


Friggin' kicker couldn't make a 23 yard kick.....

I made some because of the over wager, but, I was getting eight. He makes that kick, I don't push, I get both. I hate kickers. Sorta like Mike Nugent making a 55 yarder and causing a push yesterday.


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 05:24 PM

Thought things over, I think CFU keeps it close for a half, maybe a little longer, but, Auburn is too much for them to stop on offense. Took the Tigers -9 1/2. Also, a small play on LSU. Took Georgia. Mulling Clemson - 'Bama still. At the moment leaning Alabama.


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 05:42 PM

Auburn jumped to -12. Glad I got it earlier.


nebish - 1/1/2018 at 07:32 PM

Auburn's onsale in the second half 6-13, -7, all they need to do is win. You buying that?


nebish - 1/1/2018 at 07:35 PM

It just went to 8 where we use.

Coot, do you use a website for your lines and then call it in or is it old school all verbal lines? We use scoresandodds


nebish - 1/1/2018 at 07:39 PM

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Go Dawgs! Go Tigers!


Strat, care to give your feelings on the potential with Chip Kelly in charge? Are you optimistic or pessimistic on his ability to make UCLA relevant for PAC12 titles and perhaps beyond?


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 08:35 PM

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Auburn's onsale in the second half 6-13, -7, all they need to do is win. You buying that?


I would have. My guy offers no money line or second half bets. Just straight action.


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 08:38 PM

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It just went to 8 where we use.

Coot, do you use a website for your lines and then call it in or is it old school all verbal lines? We use scoresandodds


I check the lines online just to see if my guy is close or not.

How 'bout that LSU kicker? One upped Miami's kicker by missing a 22 harder.



Did I mention I hate friggin' kickers.


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 08:45 PM

Credit to UCF, when they could have folded, came firing back.

A cover by LSU would be nice at this point.

Who does everyone like in the last two games?


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 09:03 PM

Folks who are wagering that is.


nebish - 1/1/2018 at 09:44 PM

I'm rolling all dogs today. Boomer Sooner and Clemson.


oldcoot - 1/1/2018 at 10:18 PM

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I'm rolling all dogs today. Boomer Sooner and Clemson.




I have the Dawgs, does that count as the same?

Took over too.

Here, 'Bama went to -3 1/2, total at 48. Just might like the under there more than a team.


nebish - 1/1/2018 at 11:21 PM

over looks good


Lee - 1/2/2018 at 12:10 PM

Doesn't look like any of us got rich yesterday. Notre Dame saved things for me. I hate rooting for them because I can't stand them but $ is $, right?

I can't believe Michigan's implosion yesterday. That was terrible. I hope that transfer QB they just got gets to play next year. I haven't heard the status of his situation.


Lee - 1/2/2018 at 12:33 PM

I had Oklahoma to win it all so I am bummed about losing but I can't stand Mayfield so I guess it isn't all bad.


StratDal - 1/2/2018 at 01:18 PM

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quote:
Go Dawgs! Go Tigers!


Strat, care to give your feelings on the potential with Chip Kelly in charge? Are you optimistic or pessimistic on his ability to make UCLA relevant for PAC12 titles and perhaps beyond?


For the first time since I can remember, UCLA got their first choice as coach. The powers-that-be went all out, something none of us expected. (I didn't think they'd fire CJM due to his $11.8 mill buyout.). Obviously CCK had been successful and has plenty of cache. But as with any coach, you don't know until 3-4 seasons down the road if it was a good hire. Personally, I'm in wait and see mode.

Of course, the day of his official hire, UCLA was already hitting up fans and supporters for money. It's a business.

Great Rose Bowl yesterday. I hope UGA still has plenty in the tank to take on Bama in the NC game. Bama is out for blood.


nebish - 1/2/2018 at 01:24 PM

And down the stretch they come, winner of his last 7 of 9 picks for an average confidence of 36 pts hoffcl takes the lead!

The Alabama - Georgia game will determine first, second and third place. Lee is 2 pts back in second with 3 confidence pts remaining. hoffcl has 41 pts left so Chris will need to lose and Lee win with opposite pick to get the win. If hoffcl and Lee both pick incorrect and I get it right with 41 pts remaining I can take the lead Monday. And not to be forgotten is Sang, best he can do is tie for 3rd and DanB is looking towards next year.


oldcoot - 1/2/2018 at 03:36 PM

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It just went to 8 where we use.

Coot, do you use a website for your lines and then call it in or is it old school all verbal lines? We use scoresandodds



I usually look at Sportsline.com


oldcoot - 1/2/2018 at 03:39 PM

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Doesn't look like any of us got rich yesterday. Notre Dame saved things for me. I hate rooting for them because I can't stand them but $ is $, right?

I can't believe Michigan's implosion yesterday. That was terrible. I hope that transfer QB they just got gets to play next year. I haven't heard the status of his situation.



Actually, I ended up doing well. Two clunkers to start but I went big and Georgia and the over and the under in the late game. Obviously, Georgia's big rally helped considerably, that one was looking like a wash early on.

Alabama -4 with a total of 45 next Monday.

Thoughts everyone?


Lee - 1/2/2018 at 08:14 PM

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Doesn't look like any of us got rich yesterday. Notre Dame saved things for me. I hate rooting for them because I can't stand them but $ is $, right?

I can't believe Michigan's implosion yesterday. That was terrible. I hope that transfer QB they just got gets to play next year. I haven't heard the status of his situation.



Actually, I ended up doing well. Two clunkers to start but I went big and Georgia and the over and the under in the late game. Obviously, Georgia's big rally helped considerably, that one was looking like a wash early on.

Alabama -4 with a total of 45 next Monday.

Thoughts everyone?



Thinking about parlaying Alabama and the over. Can't stand 'bama but they are better and I think both offenses can put up the low 20s point wise.

I used to bet these things called teasers where you would get six points for the two or three teams you wanted. Payouts were straight up, you just got the points. Thay were called teasers for a reason. You never won.


nebish - 1/2/2018 at 11:56 PM

Agree, teasers are just a way for the books to get more juice on. Same with those various parlay cards sportsbooks have (superteasers and such). No wonder why all the books give you more and more ways to bet ,because off most people, in more somebody bets the more the book wins.

I will watch the game next Monday. Probably pick somebody right before kickoff. The national title game is literally the least important game for me all season. I kind of check out after the regular season, but I have a duty to see the bowls through as a way of closing down my obsession rather than going cold turkey.


Lee - 1/3/2018 at 01:34 PM

I took Alabama -4 and over 45 on a parlay. What the heck, last college bet of the year.


oldcoot - 1/3/2018 at 06:43 PM

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I took Alabama -4 and over 45 on a parlay. What the heck, last college bet of the year.



Still mulling this one. Bama looked super tough on D Monday night. The offense was really pedestrian though.... run, try and gain field position, punt, play D. Georgia, I think, has much better offensive options than Clemson did. Fromm is a much better passer and GA will have to be able to pass so that they can run also. GA has better RBs than Clemson. Just depends if their offensive line can handle the Bama pressure or not. I'm still undecided, but if the points climb further, pretty sure I'll be on the Bulldogs. Possibly even if the points remain the same. I really don't get a feel yet on the total.


Lee - 1/3/2018 at 07:47 PM

The line is actually 4.5. I bought an extra half point to get it to 4. Anything 3, 4 and 7 can be worth a shot doing that.

We shall see!


oldcoot - 1/4/2018 at 08:24 PM

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The line is actually 4.5. I bought an extra half point to get it to 4. Anything 3, 4 and 7 can be worth a shot doing that.

We shall see!


Got my sheet today, +4 1/2 for the Dawgs. I wonder if it will go higher closer to game time. Think I'll grab it before it drops.


oldcoot - 1/8/2018 at 04:59 PM

Going under 45 1/2 tonight.


oldcoot - 1/8/2018 at 09:18 PM

What the hey, last college game, I'll have some on 'Bama although I despise Saban. You bet with your wallet, not your heart.


StratDal - 1/9/2018 at 05:39 AM

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What the hey, last college game, I'll have some on 'Bama although I despise Saban. You bet with your wallet, not your heart.


Stupid Georgia. Gutsy call by Saban changing QBs. Lost his starting left tackle too. Enjoy the cash!


nebish - 1/9/2018 at 10:51 PM

Sounded like a good game! I fell asleep in the 3rd and half listened to the 4th and OT in bed.

And look who won the bowl pick'em!

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- that's me!

1. me
2. hoffcl
3. Lee
4. Sang
5. DanB


Lee - 1/13/2018 at 08:59 PM

We will miss you Keith Jackson. You were definitely one of a kind.


oldcoot - 1/13/2018 at 09:04 PM

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We will miss you Keith Jackson. You were definitely one of a kind.



Whoa Nellie! We sure will.


nebish - 1/13/2018 at 09:57 PM

Good old Keith Jackson. They don't make them like that anymore.


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