Thread: Senate Moves Forward with Bipartisan Bill to Rein in Jeff Sessions

robslob - 5/20/2017 at 03:30 AM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/senate-moves-forward-with-bill-to -rein-in-jeff-sessions-w482927

If our new D.A. scares the sh*t out of you......this is a VERY reassuring article. There are Congressmen who understand that the War on Drugs is a complete failure and mandatory minimums do nothing but bloat our already overloaded prison system.

"The idea that, 'We've got to stiffen the penalties and crime will stop,' we've found it doesn't work," Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) said. "This is extraordinarily expensive... Then, there's less money to go to violent, serious crime."


IPowrie - 5/20/2017 at 06:30 PM

Good. I like Willie Nelsons advice to Sessions go smoke some weed


Chain - 5/20/2017 at 06:52 PM

Encouraging move on the part of the Senate. One thing that sort of flew under the radar this week while little Don was imploding was this asinine move by Sessions. Let's see what the rest of the Congress does with this bill.

Sessions should be removed as AG given his lying about his contacts with Russia. F*cking hypocrite bastard racist with a Hitler complex who should be strung up by his little wrinkled ball sack...


robslob - 5/20/2017 at 07:06 PM

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Let's see what the rest of the Congress does with this bill.


"Rest of Congress", yes, but then Donnie will have to sign it, which I look at as a bigger hurdle. As the article suggests, THEN we will find out just exactly how joined at the hip Trump and Sessions really are.
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Sessions should be removed as AG given his lying about his contacts with Russia. F*cking hypocrite bastard racist with a Hitler complex who should be strung up by his little wrinkled ball sack...


Love your opinion of the man, I just wish you'd be a bit more forthright.........

[Edited on 5/20/2017 by robslob]


rmack - 5/20/2017 at 07:07 PM

Draconian drug laws overwhelmingly impact people of color. Once convicted of a felony, they can no longer vote. Sessions doesn't like the idea of anyone but white people voting. This is a big reason behind his push for maximum penalties, apart from enriching the incarceration industry.


Chain - 5/20/2017 at 07:36 PM

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Let's see what the rest of the Congress does with this bill.


"Rest of Congress", yes, but then Donnie will have to sign it, which I look at as a bigger hurdle. As the article suggests, THEN we will find out just exactly how joined at the hip Trump and Sessions really are.
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Sessions should be removed as AG given his lying about his contacts with Russia. F*cking hypocrite bastard racist with a Hitler complex who should be strung up by his little wrinkled ball sack...


Love your opinion of the man, I just wish you'd be a bit more forthright.........

[Edited on 5/20/2017 by robslob]


Well, yes, little Donnie would need to sign it and of course will probably not do so. Thereby requiring a truly courageous Congress to override his inevitable veto. But that would show the country where Congress really lies and might be yet another wedge issue that might sway the voters in the 2018 mid terms should all this roll out in time (which it probably won't).

As far as my 'forthright" opinion on little Jeff Sessions, well, this site won't allow me to be too vulgar...


Chain - 5/20/2017 at 07:38 PM

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Draconian drug laws overwhelmingly impact people of color. Once convicted of a felony, they can no longer vote. Sessions doesn't like the idea of anyone but white people voting. This is a big reason behind his push for maximum penalties, apart from enriching the incarceration industry.


Indeed, this move by Sessions certainly has racial connotations. My biggest fear, however, which you alluded to, is that Congress won't be able to resist the army of well heeled lobbyists from the prison complex and that this bill will never even make it out of the Senate.


nebish - 5/21/2017 at 02:16 AM

I'm just me, just one person. But I do things, or don't do things in life after considering the consequences.

So sometimes I wonder, what if dealers got life in prison. Users got community service on the first conviction, minor prison sentence 2nd conviction and life in prison the 3rd conviction?

Compromise...we could reschedule marijuana out of class 1 and use my proposed punishment for the remaining drugs.

If you know you potentially face a life prison sentence would you sell drugs?

It's like saying, if I potentially could face a life prison sentence from drinking and driving you can bet your last dollar I would not drink and drive.


Chain - 5/22/2017 at 07:23 PM

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I'm just me, just one person. But I do things, or don't do things in life after considering the consequences.

So sometimes I wonder, what if dealers got life in prison. Users got community service on the first conviction, minor prison sentence 2nd conviction and life in prison the 3rd conviction?

Compromise...we could reschedule marijuana out of class 1 and use my proposed punishment for the remaining drugs.

If you know you potentially face a life prison sentence would you sell drugs?

It's like saying, if I potentially could face a life prison sentence from drinking and driving you can bet your last dollar I would not drink and drive.



Interesting thought nebish, but keep in mind that choices and their consequences are so different for different people that being fearful of life in prison for dealing drugs may not be that scary to say the kid in the inner city with no other option on how to survive or make a living.

For many that deal in not only drugs, but all sorts of contraband, it's their only choice and no amount of penalty will change that dynamic. Which i guess explains why "Black Markets" and crime in general have existed throughout human history. The lack of opportunity or economic power leads people to all sorts of bad choices no matter what their consequences I suppose.


nebish - 5/22/2017 at 09:15 PM

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Interesting thought nebish, but keep in mind that choices and their consequences are so different for different people that being fearful of life in prison for dealing drugs may not be that scary to say the kid in the inner city with no other option on how to survive or make a living.

For many that deal in not only drugs, but all sorts of contraband, it's their only choice and no amount of penalty will change that dynamic. Which i guess explains why "Black Markets" and crime in general have existed throughout human history. The lack of opportunity or economic power leads people to all sorts of bad choices no matter what their consequences I suppose.


Right circumstances of people in those positions will dictate what is worse facing.

So much of this stuff (drugs, crime, healthcare, wages, etc) comes back to jobs and opportunity and it is why I am so big on having more things made in the USA to provide more people in more areas of this country with jobs they can turn to instead of some having to consider a life of crime to provide for themselves.

What I was hoping some thinking like I posted the other night was that it might deter some people from going down the dark path of drug use and often addiction. And if that could reduce the demand. But people still do heroin even though they must know it could mean their death. So when you are in that situation, the reward outweighs the risk of death, not sure life in prison would mean much. But maybe for a younger generation if it was known at an early age the potential for life imprisonment could have an impact. I grew up as a kid in the "Just Say No" years, never meant much to me as a kid and I had friends from middle school on who experimented with a variety of drugs. Maybe a better slogan would be "Just Say Jail...forever" could scare more people away?


tbomike - 5/22/2017 at 09:32 PM

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I'm just me, just one person. But I do things, or don't do things in life after considering the consequences.

So sometimes I wonder, what if dealers got life in prison. Users got community service on the first conviction, minor prison sentence 2nd conviction and life in prison the 3rd conviction?

Compromise...we could reschedule marijuana out of class 1 and use my proposed punishment for the remaining drugs.

If you know you potentially face a life prison sentence would you sell drugs?

It's like saying, if I potentially could face a life prison sentence from drinking and driving you can bet your last dollar I would not drink and drive.



You cannot possibly be serious with this right? That is flat out insanely stupid.


IPowrie - 5/22/2017 at 10:08 PM

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Interesting thought nebish, but keep in mind that choices and their consequences are so different for different people that being fearful of life in prison for dealing drugs may not be that scary to say the kid in the inner city with no other option on how to survive or make a living.

For many that deal in not only drugs, but all sorts of contraband, it's their only choice and no amount of penalty will change that dynamic. Which i guess explains why "Black Markets" and crime in general have existed throughout human history. The lack of opportunity or economic power leads people to all sorts of bad choices no matter what their consequences I suppose.


Right circumstances of people in those positions will dictate what is worse facing.

So much of this stuff (drugs, crime, healthcare, wages, etc) comes back to jobs and opportunity and it is why I am so big on having more things made in the USA to provide more people in more areas of this country with jobs they can turn to instead of some having to consider a life of crime to provide for themselves.

What I was hoping some thinking like I posted the other night was that it might deter some people from going down the dark path of drug use and often addiction. And if that could reduce the demand. But people still do heroin even though they must know it could mean their death. So when you are in that situation, the reward outweighs the risk of death, not sure life in prison would mean much. But maybe for a younger generation if it was known at an early age the potential for life imprisonment could have an impact. I grew up as a kid in the "Just Say No" years, never meant much to me as a kid and I had friends from middle school on who experimented with a variety of drugs. Maybe a better slogan would be "Just Say Jail...forever" could scare more people away?



It's also not hard to get prescribed narcotics which is a big part of the current drug epidemic. But of course we won't do anything about that.


Chain - 5/22/2017 at 11:29 PM

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Interesting thought nebish, but keep in mind that choices and their consequences are so different for different people that being fearful of life in prison for dealing drugs may not be that scary to say the kid in the inner city with no other option on how to survive or make a living.

For many that deal in not only drugs, but all sorts of contraband, it's their only choice and no amount of penalty will change that dynamic. Which i guess explains why "Black Markets" and crime in general have existed throughout human history. The lack of opportunity or economic power leads people to all sorts of bad choices no matter what their consequences I suppose.


Right circumstances of people in those positions will dictate what is worse facing.

So much of this stuff (drugs, crime, healthcare, wages, etc) comes back to jobs and opportunity and it is why I am so big on having more things made in the USA to provide more people in more areas of this country with jobs they can turn to instead of some having to consider a life of crime to provide for themselves.

What I was hoping some thinking like I posted the other night was that it might deter some people from going down the dark path of drug use and often addiction. And if that could reduce the demand. But people still do heroin even though they must know it could mean their death. So when you are in that situation, the reward outweighs the risk of death, not sure life in prison would mean much. But maybe for a younger generation if it was known at an early age the potential for life imprisonment could have an impact. I grew up as a kid in the "Just Say No" years, never meant much to me as a kid and I had friends from middle school on who experimented with a variety of drugs. Maybe a better slogan would be "Just Say Jail...forever" could scare more people away?



It's also not hard to get prescribed narcotics which is a big part of the current drug epidemic. But of course we won't do anything about that.


No way we can cut into the profits of big Pharma.....


nebish - 5/23/2017 at 10:54 AM

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I'm just me, just one person. But I do things, or don't do things in life after considering the consequences.

So sometimes I wonder, what if dealers got life in prison. Users got community service on the first conviction, minor prison sentence 2nd conviction and life in prison the 3rd conviction?

Compromise...we could reschedule marijuana out of class 1 and use my proposed punishment for the remaining drugs.

If you know you potentially face a life prison sentence would you sell drugs?

It's like saying, if I potentially could face a life prison sentence from drinking and driving you can bet your last dollar I would not drink and drive.



You cannot possibly be serious with this right? That is flat out insanely stupid.


Huh, so you would've liked this less if I had suggested death penalty for dealers?

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It's also not hard to get prescribed narcotics which is a big part of the current drug epidemic. But of course we won't do anything about that.




No way we can cut into the profits of big Pharma.....




Maybe prescription pain killers should only be given out at hospitals or surgery centers with limited to no refills rather.


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