Thread: Given up on the WP.

sibwlkr - 8/1/2012 at 09:01 PM

Some y'all who know me, know that I use to be a regular here on the WP, especially representing a conservative (not Republican)/Libertarian viewpoint. Nevertheless I've come to the conlusion (excuse spelling) that people pretty much think and believe what they want to believe and that anything that get's said or posted here doesn't change anyone's minds one way or another, or make anyone think anything that they don't already believe. So with that in mind, I've pretty much given up on the WP. I'll still post from time over in the "Anything Goes" forum, about music related topics. Bottom line, we all believe, think and feel what we want to believe and who's anyone to tell us that we're right or wrong? What we think, feel and believe is very much based on the live's that we have led, and unless someone has led the same live (which no one has) which we have led, who is to say what is right or wrong? Having said what I said, I wish everyone the very best in lives that the lead, and that we have more in common than we have different. People would do well to remember that. Unfortunately , people seem to forget that. In my mind, people really do need to focus on what we have in common, instead of our differences. I think if we did that the world would be a much bettter place. To all, you and yours take care.


Sang - 8/2/2012 at 01:38 AM

You certainly are right on most of the points you make. Although I certainly lean left, I don't on every issue, and I have never voted a straight ticket.

I will say that I have really learned a lot from reading the differing opinions in the WP, and have changed my opinion on some of the issues based on the arguments made here.

I appreciate the people that take the time to explain why they have the opinions they have, instead of just posting news clippings or just being obtuse just to be obtuse (or just to bash liberals in every post)

Thanks for your contributions, and good luck unplugging.........

But I'm still voting for Obama.....


michaelsio - 8/2/2012 at 10:44 AM

Take care, Fred

You will be missed.


leafsfan - 8/2/2012 at 01:52 PM

Well that sucks I was just getting usd to pronouncing sibwlkr.


Chain - 8/2/2012 at 02:01 PM

Don't do it Fred, turn away from the light.........Your time is not at an end.....We need you here....If only for a little longer.

You'll be back, the WP is just too damn addictive!


michaelsio - 8/2/2012 at 02:46 PM

quote:
Don't do it Fred, turn away from the light.........Your time is not at an end.....We need you here....If only for a little longer.

You'll be back, the WP is just too damn addictive!


Ain't it tho.

I can't quit you, baby!


piacere - 8/2/2012 at 03:21 PM

yo Fred

outside of the heavy hitters, political that is...and they know who they are (and where I get a lot of thought-provoking stuff from) most of the WP, to me anyway, is purely for giggles.

especially when Sang and MacKenzie show up.

I'm pretty much grounded and secure in who and what I am and can't, at this stage of my life, be swayed in any topic, especially religion, which again to me anyway, is all that matters.

you're a good dude Fred...


OriginalGoober - 8/2/2012 at 05:43 PM


I dont blame you, its really a mess right now. there is so much spin and too many problems that neither party wants to talk about yet every average American is concerned about. Take a break, disengage, enjoy life, and pray a virus spreads throught the capitol and wipes out our current federal government and we have to start from scratch again

Come on back in November. There will be lots to discuss.


alanwoods - 8/2/2012 at 06:49 PM

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You certainly are right on most of the points you make. Although I certainly lean left, I don't on every issue, and I have never voted a straight ticket.

I will say that I have really learned a lot from reading the differing opinions in the WP, and have changed my opinion on some of the issues based on the arguments made here.

I appreciate the people that take the time to explain why they have the opinions they have, instead of just posting news clippings or just being obtuse just to be obtuse (or just to bash liberals in every post)




Effin Pinko YRB.

[Edited on 8/2/2012 by alanwoods]


Sang - 8/2/2012 at 08:07 PM

Hillbilly goat lover.................


michaelsio - 8/2/2012 at 10:30 PM

When are you two going to get to the part where you're making up stuff about one another?


BIGV - 8/2/2012 at 10:50 PM

quote:
Nevertheless I've come to the conlusion (excuse spelling) that people pretty much think and believe what they want to believe and that anything that get's said or posted here doesn't change anyone's minds one way or another, or make anyone think anything that they don't already believe.


Bingo, the golden rule. This is why it is suggested from an early age that we not discuss Politics and religion......


Sang - 8/3/2012 at 03:40 AM

quote:
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Nevertheless I've come to the conlusion (excuse spelling) that people pretty much think and believe what they want to believe and that anything that get's said or posted here doesn't change anyone's minds one way or another, or make anyone think anything that they don't already believe.


Bingo, the golden rule. This is why it is suggested from an early age that we not discuss Politics and religion......




or Dickey........


bluedad - 8/3/2012 at 04:22 AM

Fred, that is bulls.....er ugh....Poppycock...

Although I don't post much in the WP, reading the posts have at least made me think many times on my position on things. I have adjusted some views..... And that is important....

I don't like call for the name calling (unless you are talking about Sang..., but civil discourse is what we need to be having....

I will hate to see you go.....


And what is a "conlusion"?


alanwoods - 8/3/2012 at 08:08 PM

quote:
When are you two going to get to the part where you're making up stuff about one another?


Apparently, the sleeping in the park story has been verified by a reliable source.


michaelsio - 8/3/2012 at 08:29 PM

quote:
quote:
When are you two going to get to the part where you're making up stuff about one another?


Apparently, the sleeping in the park story has been verified by a reliable source.


True.


Mike - 8/3/2012 at 11:52 PM

quote:
Don't do it Fred, turn away from the light.........Your time is not at an end.....We need you here....If only for a little longer.

You'll be back, the WP is just too damn addictive!



Ain't that the effin' truth.... I started on the old site back around 1997 or 1998... I don't post nearly as much as I did in years past, but I have been here for it all... The Dickey episode, Gina's cataclysmic psychotic episodes following 9/11, the MUSHROOM saga, the rise and fall of Cliff N' Tina, Squatch, SantaCruz, etc... Now i'm a lurker mostly. I pm back and forth with several folks I have known over the years, but tooo much interaction on here with people who think they can change someone's opinions will take years off of your life. I personally am beginning to wonder whether my time here has been an investment or a waste. 15 years is a long time.

Mike.... Out...


Mike - 8/3/2012 at 11:52 PM

If I ever do decide to hang it up, though, I will auction off the name "Mike" to the hightest bidder!!!!






Mike


gina - 8/4/2012 at 12:15 AM

Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.


Mike - 8/4/2012 at 12:21 AM

quote:
Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.




You mean those intepretations like suggesting that my daughter, conceived through IVF, doesn't have a right to exist since she, in your mind, wasn't God's plan? **** you.

Mike


gina - 8/4/2012 at 03:20 PM

quote:
quote:
Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.




You mean those intepretations like suggesting that my daughter, conceived through IVF, doesn't have a right to exist since she, in your mind, wasn't God's plan? **** you.

Mike


No Mike, I was not referring to your daughter, but I did not want to make this a thread about religion. I have said I do not believe IVF is a procedure God approves of. He doesn't approve of abortion either, and I don't think he approves of transfusions or transplants because there are scriptures that say that the life force is in the blood, and people are commanded not to eat the blood of an animal. If people are not allowed to do that, how could they then be allowed to put the blood of another person into their bodies? I would accept a plasma transfusion or an autologous transfusion or worst case scenario possibly a familial transfusion since you come from the same blood line and DNA, but I would not want nor think it was permissable to have someone elses blood.

We could also question extraordinary means to prolong a life, how far is too far in the name of science? When there are moral, ethical and religious law contradictions to some of the practices? I am against vaccines, they are unnatural, our own bodies have a natural immunity. Who are these scientists and what right do they have to interfere with the natural life processes?

God does not believe in a great many other things that people accept such wars, a financial system based on usury etc. My remarks to you were not a personal attack by any means.

People can and do ignore his advice, edicts for their own desires and convenience, when he returns on Judgement Day he will correct those who are in error, and he will also teach many people that it is not part of his plan for people to levy their anger against others. That's my response.

[Edited on 8/4/2012 by gina]


Mike - 8/4/2012 at 09:31 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.




You mean those intepretations like suggesting that my daughter, conceived through IVF, doesn't have a right to exist since she, in your mind, wasn't God's plan? **** you.

Mike


No Mike, I was not referring to your daughter, but I did not want to make this a thread about religion. I have said I do not believe IVF is a procedure God approves of. He doesn't approve of abortion either, and I don't think he approves of transfusions or transplants because there are scriptures that say that the life force is in the blood, and people are commanded not to eat the blood of an animal. If people are not allowed to do that, how could they then be allowed to put the blood of another person into their bodies? I would accept a plasma transfusion or an autologous transfusion or worst case scenario possibly a familial transfusion since you come from the same blood line and DNA, but I would not want nor think it was permissable to have someone elses blood.

We could also question extraordinary means to prolong a life, how far is too far in the name of science? When there are moral, ethical and religious law contradictions to some of the practices? I am against vaccines, they are unnatural, our own bodies have a natural immunity. Who are these scientists and what right do they have to interfere with the natural life processes?

God does not believe in a great many other things that people accept such wars, a financial system based on usury etc. My remarks to you were not a personal attack by any means.

People can and do ignore his advice, edicts for their own desires and convenience, when he returns on Judgement Day he will correct those who are in error, and he will also teach many people that it is not part of his plan for people to levy their anger against others. That's my response.

[Edited on 8/4/2012 by gina]



Bulshit, Gina.... You're a liar.

Here's what you said after being told that my wife and I were able to conceive our own daughter through IVF....

If people cannot conceive in the manner God ordained for them to try to have children, they should accept that and stop trying to play God to suit their own desires. He may have some other purpose for the lives of the people who cannot have children, something else he wants them to do with their time and lives, but they just decide I WANT, it is what I want, refusing to accept what he decreed. That is the problem.

Just who the **** do you think you are that you presume to preach to me about what God intended. Had he intended everyone to love thier fellow man, he sure would have thought twice before creating you.

You believe what you think is right, and I will believe what I think is right, but the last damn thing you have the right to do is judge the manner by which another human being, namely my daughter, enters the world.

You rant in that thread made you sound like the most arrogant, hateful bitch in the world. In case you hadn't noticed, that's why I haven't even communicated with you in the forum since that happened.

Bigann made the statement in the thread from which I provided a quote. She said she repected your views even though she disagreed with them. I don't respect them, Gina, as your rants demonstrate your indifference for the lives and feelings of others. You have no interest in anything other than attempting to educate others with your own brand of philosophy and religion. Because you don't show any interest in respecting others, respecting you or your beliefs is probably the farthest thing from my mind.

Again, feel free to G.F.Y. Twice.



Mike


Edited for spelling 8-4-2012 @ 17:33 EST

[Edited on 8/4/2012 by Mike]


Mike - 8/4/2012 at 09:32 PM

It's so interesting that your post in this thread, Gina, exemplifies the very reasons that Fred said he is living.


Mike


dadof2 - 8/4/2012 at 10:29 PM

Mike,

Please check your pm.

I am 100% with you bro....what she said was beyond insensitive...simply put,darn mean.

Even if she feels the way she does,why does it have to be said.Cruel,soulless act.

Sadly,people like this cannot be engaged in rational debate..best to ignore her ranting.

Yet,I fully understand why you said what you did and I hope she finds the humility that is an intrinsic component of the religious person to refrain from responding further to you.

Best to you and your dear family.


Mike - 8/4/2012 at 10:33 PM

quote:
Mike,

Please check your pm.

I am 100% with you bro....what she said was beyond insensitive...simply put,darn mean.

Even if she feels the way she does,why does it have to be said.Cruel,soulless act.

Sadly,people like this cannot be engaged in rational debate..best to ignore her ranting.

Yet,I fully understand why you said what you did and I hope she finds the humility that is an intrinsic component of the religious person to refrain from responding further to you.

Best to you and your dear family.


Thank you for your comments. I PM'ed you, but check them again. Just sent you another one..

Mike


CanadianMule - 8/5/2012 at 03:30 AM

Just remember that it is Gina that is posting. Hard for her to do with James Bond and the Mission Impossible crew chasing her down.They need to shut her down quickly. Look how many of us she has converted.

Gina is much too important to be captured.
She is Madam Yes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PojCDG5816Q&feature=g-vrec


gina - 8/8/2012 at 04:39 AM


Bulshit, Gina.... You're a liar.

Here's what you said after being told that my wife and I were able to conceive our own daughter through IVF....

If people cannot conceive in the manner God ordained for them to try to have children, they should accept that and stop trying to play God to suit their own desires. He may have some other purpose for the lives of the people who cannot have children, something else he wants them to do with their time and lives, but they just decide I WANT, it is what I want, refusing to accept what he decreed. That is the problem.

Just who the **** do you think you are that you presume to preach to me about what God intended. Had he intended everyone to love thier fellow man, he sure would have thought twice before creating you.

You believe what you think is right, and I will believe what I think is right, but the last damn thing you have the right to do is judge the manner by which another human being, namely my daughter, enters the world.

You rant in that thread made you sound like the most arrogant, hateful bitch in the world. In case you hadn't noticed, that's why I haven't even communicated with you in the forum since that happened.

Bigann made the statement in the thread from which I provided a quote. She said she repected your views even though she disagreed with them. I don't respect them, Gina, as your rants demonstrate your indifference for the lives and feelings of others. You have no interest in anything other than attempting to educate others with your own brand of philosophy and religion. Because you don't show any interest in respecting others, respecting you or your beliefs is probably the farthest thing from my mind.

Again, feel free to G.F.Y. Twice.

Mike


Edited for spelling 8-4-2012 @ 17:33 EST

[Edited on 8/4/2012 by Mike]




Who do I think I am to preach to you what God intended? I am merely a messenger, it is God who left his commands for man to accept or not accept. His laws remained the same from the time he gave them to Noah fo the original people on the earth, didn't change when Jesus arrived nor when Mohammed arrived either. Same rules for the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims. (because he is the same God!)

You yourself have anxiety about the manner it which your daughter was created and entered the world, that is why it upsets you for anyone to say it was done in an unnatural manner.

He told the Jews to go forth and multiply. He told the Muslims "women are like fields for you, go into them as you wish, but plan for the future in advance". There was advice given regarding orphans also, that they should be taken care of and provided for. That was his will for mankind.

There is nothing hateful in that. You chose to do that in that way because YOU wanted a child no matter what you had to do to accomplish that. You put your own desires ahead of the normal, natural way that people conceive children because you would not be satisfied adopting a child who was already here and was an orphan.

You had to have a version of yourself created. Ambition of the self. If it was the joy of parenthood you wanted, adopting another child would have given you that. But that wasn't enough was it? It had to be a little version of you, because why?

By the way it is not me you will answer to on Judgement Day, it is God, maybe you should read some of his laws, choose whatever faith you want, the laws are the same for the Jews, the Christian and the Muslims, he will clear that up for everyone also.





[Edited on 8/8/2012 by gina]

[Edited on 8/8/2012 by gina]


Mike - 8/8/2012 at 10:46 AM

quote:

Bulshit, Gina.... You're a liar.

Here's what you said after being told that my wife and I were able to conceive our own daughter through IVF....

If people cannot conceive in the manner God ordained for them to try to have children, they should accept that and stop trying to play God to suit their own desires. He may have some other purpose for the lives of the people who cannot have children, something else he wants them to do with their time and lives, but they just decide I WANT, it is what I want, refusing to accept what he decreed. That is the problem.

Just who the **** do you think you are that you presume to preach to me about what God intended. Had he intended everyone to love thier fellow man, he sure would have thought twice before creating you.

You believe what you think is right, and I will believe what I think is right, but the last damn thing you have the right to do is judge the manner by which another human being, namely my daughter, enters the world.

You rant in that thread made you sound like the most arrogant, hateful bitch in the world. In case you hadn't noticed, that's why I haven't even communicated with you in the forum since that happened.

Bigann made the statement in the thread from which I provided a quote. She said she repected your views even though she disagreed with them. I don't respect them, Gina, as your rants demonstrate your indifference for the lives and feelings of others. You have no interest in anything other than attempting to educate others with your own brand of philosophy and religion. Because you don't show any interest in respecting others, respecting you or your beliefs is probably the farthest thing from my mind.

Again, feel free to G.F.Y. Twice.

Mike


Edited for spelling 8-4-2012 @ 17:33 EST

[Edited on 8/4/2012 by Mike]


Who do I think I am to preach to you what God intended? I am merely a messenger, it is God who left his commands for man to accept or not accept. His laws remained the same from the time he gave them to Noah fo the original people on the earth, didn't change when Jesus arrived nor when Mohammed arrived either. Same rules for the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims. (because he is the same God!)

You yourself have anxiety about the manner it which your daughter was created and entered the world, that is why it upsets you for anyone to say it was done in an unnatural manner.

He told the Jews to go forth and multiply. He told the Muslims "women are like fields for you, go into them as you wish, but plan for the future in advance". There was advice given regarding orphans also, that they should be taken care of and provided for. That was his will for mankind.

There is nothing hateful in that. You chose to do that in that way because YOU wanted a child no matter what you had to do to accomplish that. You put your own desires ahead of the normal, natural way that people conceive children because you would not be satisfied adopting a child who was already here and was an orphan.

You had to have a version of yourself created. Ambition of the self. If it was the joy of parenthood you wanted, adopting another child would have given you that. But that wasn't enough was it? It had to be a little version of you, because why?

By the way it is not me you will answer to on Judgement Day, it is God, maybe you should read some of his laws, choose whatever faith you want, the laws are the same for the Jews, the Christian and the Muslims, he will clear that up for everyone also.





[Edited on 8/8/2012 by gina]

[Edited on 8/8/2012 by gina]



If you would go back and read the previous thread in detail, you would see where I disclosed the fact that I already had an adopted child.

You have no soul, and I believe it is you who will have more to answer for on judgement day. I'm over trying to communicate with an ignorant, unfeeling person who has no respect for their fellow man. My daughter is only 20 months old, but brings more value and has far more of an impact on the lives she touches every day than you have had in 15 years of preaching your false prophecies on an rock band's website.

I have no anxiety about the manner in which my daughter was brought into this world. My only anxiety about her is the fact that she will have to learn to live in a world occupied by narrow-minded, ignorant and hateful people like you.

In my world, Gina, I make decisions based on what I believe to be right. You are free to make decisions based on your principles. It is not your place, though, to tell me whether my decisions are right or wrong.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am to know that people like you even exist.

I pity you...


Mike


Mike - 8/8/2012 at 11:05 AM

I have been thinking about this ever since Gina posted what she has above, and I can't see any clear reason to continue coming here simply to listen to someone who believes they have the right to validate the existence of my daughter. I have been a part of this forum in some way for about 15 years, and have enjoyed it, but as long as Gina is still around here, there is nothing enjoyable about it any longer.

I'll keep up with the friends I have made. Good luck to the rest of you.




Mike. Out.


DougMacKenzie - 8/8/2012 at 11:54 AM

Gina obviously struggles with issus most of us don't have to deal with. I would take that into consideration when reading her comments. This is only an internet site for a band that's been playing for over 40 years. Sometimes we lose perspective of that and the comments made from the safety and anonymity of a keyboard behind a computer screen somewhere.


CanadianMule - 8/8/2012 at 02:00 PM

quote:
I have been thinking about this ever since Gina posted what she has above, and I can't see any clear reason to continue coming here simply to listen to someone who believes they have the right to validate the existence of my daughter. I have been a part of this forum in some way for about 15 years, and have enjoyed it, but as long as Gina is still around here, there is nothing enjoyable about it any longer.

I'll keep up with the friends I have made. Good luck to the rest of you.

Mike. Out.


That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while. Obviously an intelligent person who suffers from mental issues that I hope she has/gets help for. 99% of the time, I skip right over her posts especially the long ones with multiple links and quotes. Other times, I have to admit to getting a good laugh out of her ramblings. Not nice to laugh at mental illness but sometimes it can't be helped.

In this thread alone, she has told us that she is busy dealing with the secret govt that is trying to shut her down and that she is a messanger for God. Not to mention that she has called for the end of the world a few times this year already.

Clearly an example of someone who either needs meds, needs her meds adjusted or refuses to take them. Quite likely she will call for the end of times till the day she passes and at least on that day she will be right in a way if only for herself.

Bless your souls for adopting and obviously caring for all your children. Choice is obviously yours but don't let people like Gina have any affect on your kids would be my advice. By leaving, you will be doing that. If you put to a vote on here whether your beautiful child is a miracle. Gina is the only fool that would say no.

Hope to see you around.


alanwoods - 8/8/2012 at 02:20 PM

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I have been thinking about this ever since Gina posted what she has above, and I can't see any clear reason to continue coming here simply to listen to someone who believes they have the right to validate the existence of my daughter. I have been a part of this forum in some way for about 15 years, and have enjoyed it, but as long as Gina is still around here, there is nothing enjoyable about it any longer.

I'll keep up with the friends I have made. Good luck to the rest of you.

Mike. Out.


That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while. Obviously an intelligent person who suffers from mental issues that I hope she has/gets help for. 99% of the time, I skip right over her posts especially the long ones with multiple links and quotes. Other times, I have to admit to getting a good laugh out of her ramblings. Not nice to laugh at mental illness but sometimes it can't be helped.

In this thread alone, she has told us that she is busy dealing with the secret govt that is trying to shut her down and that she is a messanger for God. Not to mention that she has called for the end of the world a few times this year already.

Clearly an example of someone who either needs meds, needs her meds adjusted or refuses to take them. Quite likely she will call for the end of times till the day she passes and at least on that day she will be right in a way if only for herself.

Bless your souls for adopting and obviously caring for all your children. Choice is obviously yours but don't let people like Gina have any affect on your kids would be my advice. By leaving, you will be doing that. If you put to a vote on here whether your beautiful child is a miracle. Gina is the only fool that would say no.

Hope to see you around.


Or it could be someone with an incredibly sick sense of humor. Nah, that would require way too much effort...


lolasdeb - 8/9/2012 at 01:59 AM

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That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while.
This. If you enjoy coming here it would be a shame to let someone who is a legend in her own mind keep you away, Mike. Really. Remember what you are dealing with ... You are talking about someone whose sense of self importance is so great (or warped) that they have convinced themselves they are individually on the radar of national security, or international security, or cartoon network scheduling ... that ''They" - whoever 'they' are ... NWO, OWN, NMHA, WTF inc. - have 'spies' infiltrating her home to place listening devices or monitoring devices or thumbtack taps in the heels of her shoes because she has exclusive knowledge of something of great import or??? (sorry ... I always get lost on this one...)

Blessings on you and your family - however you chose to grow it. In a world where there are too many people having children who are not wanted, who will not be loved or cared for the way they deserve to be, who do not have an adult to champion them it's nice to hear of children whose lives contain all of this. As it should be.


gina - 8/9/2012 at 02:39 AM

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I have been thinking about this ever since Gina posted what she has above, and I can't see any clear reason to continue coming here simply to listen to someone who believes they have the right to validate the existence of my daughter. I have been a part of this forum in some way for about 15 years, and have enjoyed it, but as long as Gina is still around here, there is nothing enjoyable about it any longer.

I'll keep up with the friends I have made. Good luck to the rest of you.

Mike. Out.


That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while. Obviously an intelligent person who suffers from mental issues that I hope she has/gets help for. 99% of the time, I skip right over her posts especially the long ones with multiple links and quotes. Other times, I have to admit to getting a good laugh out of her ramblings. Not nice to laugh at mental illness but sometimes it can't be helped.

In this thread alone, she has told us that she is busy dealing with the secret govt that is trying to shut her down and that she is a messanger for God. Not to mention that she has called for the end of the world a few times this year already.

Clearly an example of someone who either needs meds, needs her meds adjusted or refuses to take them. Quite likely she will call for the end of times till the day she passes and at least on that day she will be right in a way if only for herself.

Bless your souls for adopting and obviously caring for all your children. Choice is obviously yours but don't let people like Gina have any affect on your kids would be my advice. By leaving, you will be doing that. If you put to a vote on here whether your beautiful child is a miracle. Gina is the only fool that would say no.

Hope to see you around.


Which part of the mule are you the head or the butt? (hey it's your handle, that's why I'm askin')


gina - 8/9/2012 at 02:47 AM

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That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while.
This. If you enjoy coming here it would be a shame to let someone who is a legend in her own mind keep you away, Mike. Really. Remember what you are dealing with ... You are talking about someone whose sense of self importance is so great (or warped) that they have convinced themselves they are individually on the radar of national security, or international security, or cartoon network scheduling ... that ''They" - whoever 'they' are ... NWO, OWN, NMHA, WTF inc. - have 'spies' infiltrating her home to place listening devices or monitoring devices or thumbtack taps in the heels of her shoes because she has exclusive knowledge of something of great import or??? (sorry ... I always get lost on this one...)

Blessings on you and your family - however you chose to grow it. In a world where there are too many people having children who are not wanted, who will not be loved or cared for the way they deserve to be, who do not have an adult to champion them it's nice to hear of children whose lives contain all of this. As it should be.


Suprised to see you over here, must be a slow day in the MT thread.


gina - 8/9/2012 at 03:32 AM

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I have been thinking about this ever since Gina posted what she has above, and I can't see any clear reason to continue coming here simply to listen to someone who believes they have the right to validate the existence of my daughter. I have been a part of this forum in some way for about 15 years, and have enjoyed it, but as long as Gina is still around here, there is nothing enjoyable about it any longer.

I'll keep up with the friends I have made. Good luck to the rest of you.

You are making it a personal thing towards a specific person, your daughter. It is NOT personal at all. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. You launched your venom and anger towards me, but I am not responding that way to you, because it is your anger you own it, and I will not accept YOUR anger.

You want, expect sympathy and empathy for what you have been thru. I cannot give you that because I do not believe in scientist created progeny. I believe as I formerly told you that people should accept God's will for their lives and bodies. If he does not grant you children in the normal manner, accept that and either adopt or find other things to do besides parenting your own children. People could be mentors and parents to many children who need that but many become fixated on their own inabliity to create a child of their own.

People should consider all defects come from God. All of them. He tells you he punishes people down to the third generation of people . Their family line will be punished down to the third generation of them. We all have stuff that is a punishment from God. But mankind does not consider this, he just goes to a scientist who can give him what he wants.

Mankind created IVF, not God. If God approved of it he would give it a 90% or higher success rate, he doesn't. The successes he does grant are acts of mercy from him. Even transplants, if he approved of transplants the body would not automatically reject the part, the Dr.'s decided they can just give the patient scientist created anti-rejection drugs to overpower the immune system and force the body to accept and adapt to it. The body would naturally reject it otherwise.

God put everything here on the earth that people needed, the food, the medicinal properties in the foods, herbs, everything else comes from man. Why does God let man develop advances in medicine? To test his ethics, to see how far he will go and how he will use his knowledge, but he will not force you to accept his guidance, he gave you free will. You can choose your own ways or his ways, it is totally up to you. What you choose determines where you go after this life is over.

Some good advice is 'do not fight over this world, it is not worth it'. What is this world? Mankinds manifestations of what he thinks life should be? He kills, he quarrels, he covets, he cheats, he lies just to get things, accolades, people, power, money, and it is all temporary. So how important are your legacies? Who are you leaving them for when the entire earth will pass away into nothingness, when God finally gets disgusted enough and starts over again. Global warming, nuclear war, mankind will destroy himself and this was prophecied more than 1400 years ago, and yes it is all happening as the prophets said it would. We're on the brink of the Middle East war that will be the beginning of the Tribulations, but just like in Noah's time, there will be many who will not even be aware of it and when they are brought to Judgement Day they will scream out 'WTF' and not understand. Learn what you can learn now, that is the best advice any of you can receive.


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CanadianMule - 8/9/2012 at 04:37 AM

I do owe Gina for helping me learn an important lesson though.

She taught me the need to scroll down on the internet. Comical how after all these years, she still believes that people actually read it.


Back to the original topic, how could you consider leaving this all behind?


piacere - 8/9/2012 at 01:46 PM

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I do owe Gina for helping me learn an important lesson though.

She taught me the need to scroll down on the internet. Comical how after all these years, she still believes that people actually read it.


Back to the original topic, how could you consider leaving this all behind?


it's incredibly easy to ignore someone.

I know the urge and impulse to respond to certain people can be overwhelming ("I'll give him/her a piece of my mind" or "No one talks to me like that" or "I've got to set the record straight with this pinhead") but experience has taught at least me that simply ignoring someone says as much as any words could or will.

I've learned as I get older to let some people wallow in their own ignorance.


Brendan - 8/9/2012 at 01:49 PM

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but experience has taught at least me that simply ignoring someone says as much as any words could or will.

Sorry, did you say something?


Dannyspell - 8/9/2012 at 01:50 PM

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I do owe Gina for helping me learn an important lesson though.

She taught me the need to scroll down on the internet. Comical how after all these years, she still believes that people actually read it.


Back to the original topic, how could you consider leaving this all behind?


it's incredibly easy to ignore someone.

I know the urge and impulse to respond to certain people can be overwhelming ("I'll give him/her a piece of my mind" or "No one talks to me like that" or "I've got to set the record straight with this pinhead") but experience has taught at least me that simply ignoring someone says as much as any words could or will.

I've learned as I get older to let some people wallow in their own ignorance.
Amen!


Dannyspell - 8/9/2012 at 01:52 PM

Who is this Gina person?


piacere - 8/9/2012 at 01:53 PM

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but experience has taught at least me that simply ignoring someone says as much as any words could or will.

Sorry, did you say something?



piacere - 8/9/2012 at 01:54 PM

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Who is this Gina person?


Brendan's tarot card reader.


lolasdeb - 8/9/2012 at 01:55 PM

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That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while.
This. If you enjoy coming here it would be a shame to let someone who is a legend in her own mind keep you away, Mike. Really. Remember what you are dealing with ... You are talking about someone whose sense of self importance is so great (or warped) that they have convinced themselves they are individually on the radar of national security, or international security, or cartoon network scheduling ... that ''They" - whoever 'they' are ... NWO, OWN, NMHA, WTF inc. - have 'spies' infiltrating her home to place listening devices or monitoring devices or thumbtack taps in the heels of her shoes because she has exclusive knowledge of something of great import or??? (sorry ... I always get lost on this one...)

Blessings on you and your family - however you chose to grow it. In a world where there are too many people having children who are not wanted, who will not be loved or cared for the way they deserve to be, who do not have an adult to champion them it's nice to hear of children whose lives contain all of this. As it should be.
Suprised to see you over here, must be a slow day in the MT thread.
Yeah ... I haven't been coming around as much. But I did last night and was touched by Mike's post because his is a story I've heard before and I was - I don't know ... offended, again, by the callous responses you've made to him on this subject. And I reacted when I should have just taken a deep breath, considered the source, and gone on my way. So ... while I don't apologize for thinking some of the thoughts expressed in that 1st paragraph I will apologize for making them public in a kind of snarky way ... not one of my shining moments.

And the thoughts towards Mike still stand.


Brendan - 8/9/2012 at 02:23 PM

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Who is this Gina person?


Brendan's tarot card reader.
60% of the time, she's right every time.


gina - 8/10/2012 at 12:11 AM

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That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while.
This. If you enjoy coming here it would be a shame to let someone who is a legend in her own mind keep you away, Mike. Really. Remember what you are dealing with ... You are talking about someone whose sense of self importance is so great (or warped) that they have convinced themselves they are individually on the radar of national security, or international security, or cartoon network scheduling ... that ''They" - whoever 'they' are ... NWO, OWN, NMHA, WTF inc. - have 'spies' infiltrating her home to place listening devices or monitoring devices or thumbtack taps in the heels of her shoes because she has exclusive knowledge of something of great import or??? (sorry ... I always get lost on this one...)

Blessings on you and your family - however you chose to grow it. In a world where there are too many people having children who are not wanted, who will not be loved or cared for the way they deserve to be, who do not have an adult to champion them it's nice to hear of children whose lives contain all of this. As it should be.
Suprised to see you over here, must be a slow day in the MT thread.
Yeah ... I haven't been coming around as much. But I did last night and was touched by Mike's post because his is a story I've heard before and I was - I don't know ... offended, again, by the callous responses you've made to him on this subject. And I reacted when I should have just taken a deep breath, considered the source, and gone on my way. So ... while I don't apologize for thinking some of the thoughts expressed in that 1st paragraph I will apologize for making them public in a kind of snarky way ... not one of my shining moments.

And the thoughts towards Mike still stand.


I left some sincere good thoughts for Fred, it was you and the MT gang who hijacked it, and began assaulting me. Shame on all of you.


lolasdeb - 8/10/2012 at 03:22 AM

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but experience has taught at least me that simply ignoring someone says as much as any words could or will.
Sorry, did you say something?
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Take care, Fred

You will be missed.
Ditto.


piacere - 8/10/2012 at 12:43 PM

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Who is this Gina person?


Brendan's tarot card reader.
60% of the time, she's right every time.


any Eagle's predictions?


BrerRabbit - 8/11/2012 at 05:01 PM

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For anyone who missed it the first couple times: It's an electronic disinformation program designed to create discord and confusion on discussion websites. Super high spook tech. Seems to be more prevalent where people are actually intelligent and trying to make some sense of things. It can be quite entertaining as long as you don't take it personal. It just digests info and spews out random BS custom programmed to piss you off

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to acquaint you with the latest secret weapon of Big Brother:

G.I.N.A. Governmental Information Nonsense Algorithm

They're still working the bugs out, but I've heard they are going to ramp up the religious angle as it is getting some good results. Whatever the program's faults may be, the MuslimChristianJew globular fusion algorithm is a truly brilliant piece of work, and has caused many an otherwise meaningful thread to implode under the pressure of sheer idiocy. However, they are having trouble with the personality simulator, and are now undergoing an earnest attempt to make the program display rudimentary human characteristics. Very difficult task, as artificial intelligence can be quirky, especially when the program can only be as smart as its creator, who in this case is clearly a buffoon. Garbage in, garbage out. What else could you expect from a paranoid schizo government spook techie under contract to a third rate disinfo think tank in D.C. ?


gina - 8/11/2012 at 06:16 PM

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For anyone who missed it the first couple times: It's an electronic disinformation program designed to create discord and confusion on discussion websites. Super high spook tech. Seems to be more prevalent where people are actually intelligent and trying to make some sense of things. It can be quite entertaining as long as you don't take it personal. It just digests info and spews out random BS custom programmed to piss you off

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to acquaint you with the latest secret weapon of Big Brother:

G.I.N.A. Governmental Information Nonsense Algorithm

They're still working the bugs out, but I've heard they are going to ramp up the religious angle as it is getting some good results. Whatever the program's faults may be, the MuslimChristianJew globular fusion algorithm is a truly brilliant piece of work, and has caused many an otherwise meaningful thread to implode under the pressure of sheer idiocy. However, they are having trouble with the personality simulator, and are now undergoing an earnest attempt to make the program display rudimentary human characteristics. Very difficult task, as artificial intelligence can be quirky, especially when the program can only be as smart as its creator, who in this case is clearly a buffoon. Garbage in, garbage out. What else could you expect from a paranoid schizo government spook techie under contract to a third rate disinfo think tank in D.C. ?



I think you need to be re-progammed. Start here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlIkP9392bI



[Edited on 8/11/2012 by gina]


Dannyspell - 8/11/2012 at 07:38 PM

Gina meltdown!!


Dannyspell - 8/11/2012 at 07:42 PM

Sorry old news!!


gina - 8/11/2012 at 07:45 PM

It ain't about me, it's about evolving to your higher self and higher good. These pissing contests are a waste of time and life. There are people who evolve thru the music, others in other ways. That's what it's about.


Dannyspell - 8/11/2012 at 07:52 PM

Some people deal with the real world others choose to live in a life of fantasy!


Dannyspell - 8/11/2012 at 07:58 PM

I'm out. May she self destruct in peace!!


gina - 8/11/2012 at 09:01 PM

Inspiring musicians internationally is hardly a fantasy, it's actually called a legacy and you might want to pay some homage to the musicians who have accomplished that, ensuring that the music that spawned their success continues on in others, but you still just don't understand.


BrerRabbit - 8/11/2012 at 09:54 PM

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Inspiring musicians internationally is hardly a fantasy, it's actually called a legacy and you might want to pay some homage to the musicians who have accomplished that, ensuring that the music that spawned their success continues on in others, but you still just don't understand.




all I can say is I would rather get stoned and listen to music than get stoned for listening to music...


MUSIC IN ISLAM


Introduction

In recent years, certain developments have taken place which has brought the subject of music as an extremely significant issue. Music has spread to such an extent that it is afflicting every muslim in this modern era. Today, individuals are being confronted by a situation where one is forced to listen to music whether by choice or without. Music is played in nearly all department stores and super markets. Even whilst walking in the streets, we find cars blaring with music. No matter which direction we go, we are blasted with music. The increasing popularity of music, which is prevalent in our society poses a tremendous danger for muslims.


Music is Haraam (SINFUL)

References within the context of the Holy Qur`aan along with the Hadith of the Prophet confirm that music is haraam.
Interpreters of the Qur`aan have defined the term `lahwal hadith` which is mentioned in the Qur`aan as:

1) Singing and listening to songs.
2) Purchasing of male and female singers.
3) Purchase of instruments of fun and amusement.

When Sayyidana Abdullah Ibne Mas`ood , a very close companion of our Prophet was asked about the meaning of the term `lahwal hadith`, he replied

“I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God,that it refers to ghinaa (singing ).”
This statement, he repeated three times. This view is unanimously supported by the four Khalifas, the eminent Sahabaah, Tabi`een, the four Imaams and other reliable Islaamic scholars and authorities.

One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :

`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`
Detailed analysis of the arabic word `ma`aazif ` shows that it refers to musical instruments, the sounds of those musical instruments and singing with the accompaniment of instruments.

Closer analysis of the wordings of the Hadith establishes the prohibition of music. Firstly, the words `seek to make lawful ` shows that music is not permissible, as logically one can only seek to make lawful that which is not allowed. Secondly, if music was not prohibited, then it would not have been brought within the same context as fornication and wine-drinking.

MUSIC - IT`S EFFECTS

Muslims are aware that nothing has been prohibited by Allah except that which is harmful to the welfare of a Muslim individual and the society as a whole. The divine attribute behind the prohibition of music can be comprehended by looking into the diverse influence music can have.

Experiments carried out by doctors and professors have confirmed that the music of today is such that it does not only affect the brain, but each and every organ of one`s body. There is a close relationship between music and bodily movements. We find that people listening to music automatically start tapping their fingers and feet, as if the music is permeating in their blood.

It is also proved that music affect`s one`s emotions, increases arousal in terms of alertness and excitement and also leads to various physiological changes in the person. In a psychology experiment, it was found that listening to moderate type of music increased one`s normal heart beat, whilst listening to rock music the heart beat increased even further, yet people claim that music has no effect.

It is a very ignorant and misguided attitude to percieve music as a form of pleasure and passing of time, since the messages of today`s music follow a general theme of love, fornication, drugs and freedom.

We find that the whole world is obsessed with the kufr idea of freedom, i.e. freedom of speech, freedom of movement, etc. In modern schools and universities, we observe independence, free expression and secular thinking being encouraged. This idea of freedom, “ It`s my life, I`ll do what I want” is a predominant, underlying theme of today`s music. It is being used as a means for drilling those modern ideologies that are totally contrary to Islamic Shariah and values, into the minds of Muslims.

One should abstain from evil audacities such as listening to music and encourage others to do the same too.

MAY ALMIGHTY ALLAH GUIDE US ALL TO THE STRAIGHT PATH-
AMEEN.


Whipping Post - 1 , G.I.N.A. - 0


gina - 8/12/2012 at 03:17 PM

Yes music is forbidden in Islam, because that was given to the Prophet, peace be upon him, to warn the people of the potential it brought to lead people off the path.

Many people are unaware of this, I only learned about it within the last two years. We have chakras which are energy centers in the body. We are all electrical impulses and energy, that is what is in our bodies. Different tones, sounds have effects on these energy centers, there are specific notes that correspond with different areas of the chakras. Healing takes place on metaphysical levels governed by vibrational resonance.

Frequency 528 is the universal frequency for DNA repair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMQOAWeVs0&feature=related

Regarding the Chakras, the eighth chakra corresponds with your soul. When that chakra is influenced it can be opened, by sound. That is obviously the danger of music, it can open your soul, if it is opened, nefarious entities can get in there.

You will see a lot of so called spiritual practitioners always put their hands on your head, your crown chakra, Chakra 7 and open it, they want that access.

No one has a right to do that. However sometimes bad entities have intruded upon someone, and a white light practitioner can get rid of the junk that is effecting someone's aura, but they must close it, many of them do not, they leave it open and they have access to you on that level.

It can be dangerous, who can you trust or not trust? Music effects the chakras, the different tones can balance chakras that are out of balance, but certain negative (even demonic) entities also can get access to someone when the chakras are opened. That is the danger of the music.

Many know that devil worship was celebrated with certain music, which originated in Africa, where the early roots of the blues developed. Does this mean that all blues musicians are demonically possessed? No, but it can open gateways that should not be opened.

Modern day Islam, many of the brothers do sing praises to God, but they do not use instruments, they use only the voices which God gave them. They do sing about struggle (jihad), faith. This is permissable as a form or recitation. Some may call it music because they sing, but they do this much in the same way as the Torah is recited, the noble Quran is recited also using different inflections, tones with the voice. It is the belief that man is allowed this and only this as a form of using sounds.

The rest of the world uses sounds to express their emotions, ease their pains, invite people to celebrations. If you watch musicians who are totally engrossed in their music, it seems like they are somewhere else and the music just comes thru them. In many cases, there are dark entities who are playing thru them, for the purpose of seduction of the masses. The music is sweet, evocative and compelling, enthralling. Where does the music lead you to? If if leads you to things which are manifestations of a demonically driven life, it is not good for you, your faith, and your eternal future.

My directing Brer Rabbit to a version of Statesboro Blues, was to try to bring his focus back to something he would understand, the theme song of the band. That was the beginnings of the band. They went thru a lot. Their future should be going in a direction away from cheating women, struggling and hard times. They have the potential and capacity to do a lot of good, because of their reach, but the focus would have to change. Is this going to happen? Hard to say, but at least they have abandoned the drug and alcohol haze of their early life as a band.

Jaimoe is a Muslim, this is a good thing, he can be the one to help them along the way. It can happen.

There is music in heaven, I have told the story before, I'll tell it again. I had to find something for a relative's confirmation, so I sought a religious store to look around. I arrived at a small blue house and they had prayer cards with the meanings of people's names on them. On a card with Duane's name on it, is a picture of a road a two lane road that goes thru an area that looks like Georgia. It says "Cheerful of Heart, Yet I will rejoice in the Lord, i will joy in the God of my Salvation", the verse is from Habakkuk 3:18. When you look that up it says "For the Director of Music of my Stringed Instruments". That kind of blew me away. The next day I asked the question while I was driving, "is he really in heaven", within 1-2 minutes a pickup truck was driving east, I was going west and on the hood was written "Galadrielle".

So it has been a dilemna for me, as one who loves what Duane has brought in his music, and then being brought to Islam which forbids music; then I learn that many of our Muslim brothers do use their voices and it is okay, it just has to be for the good. If you want to call it music, the focus of sounds must be in remembrance and glorifying the one and only God.

Will the band evolve to to that? I don't know, but I remain hopeful. As the world digresses and chaos sets in and the New World Order agenda moves forward, it is my hope that people will see the prophecies are happening, and when they do, they will be moved to be on the path that leads to eternity, and I know Duane is up there, I KNOW it now. Bands like AC/DC will be going the other way, they have chosen that, they celebrate being on their Highway to Hell. Ultimately musicians will be faced with the same choices everyone else is. Where do you want to go? Whose laws do you want to live by? For those who are still struggling, music can provide solace to them while they find their way.

I have my own struggles too, we cannot live a life like a monk in monastery. We have to incorporate that which we learn into our lives and help others along the path to the best of our ability. Sometimes we fall short of the mark, digress to the familiar and the flawed responses of earlier times in our lives. Should I direct people to music whose roots comes from homage to demonic forces, no I should not. I walk a fine line, sometimes I stumble and digress.

So you are correct, you win on the point you made. The greater issues of evolution and getting right remain for all to choose or not. I am only a messenger, to share what info. comes along that may help other people, I am imperfect, still a work in progress, like everyone else.








[Edited on 8/12/2012 by gina]


BrerRabbit - 8/12/2012 at 06:22 PM

Well, that is all very interesting, but I for one refuse to listen to any more evil rock music until they all burn their instruments and sing hymns acapella. And that goes for those nefarious Allman Brothers too. I strongly encourage everyone on earth to eschew the "devil's trombones", any music accompanied by instruments, and not specifically devoted to the Glory of God.

How about a Gregorian chant version of "Dreams" ? That would be acceptable. Or maybe a nice Muslim adhan morning prayer call version of "Whipping Post" ? I think Gregg could do a great job with that, calling the faithful to their mats with a soaring plaintive plea, while admonishing them for their transgressions, and threatening them with the Whipping Post. Derek ccould hum the slide guitar parts, and we could all breath a sigh of relief that those devil-worshipping rockers weren't invading our 7th chakras any more.

I encourage all peoples of the world to come to their senses and start building bonfires for all the musical instruments, and gathering up stones unto them to cast upon the players of guitars, beaters of demon drums, and singers of blues.

Now, all, prior to the ritual execution by stoning of the unrepentant rockers, rise, and join me in the new holy hymn, the anthem of a rockless world: a vocal-only rendition of "Rainy Day Women #12 and 35" by Elder Bob Dylan:

I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned


If only we had done this to Robert Johnson when we had the chance, but alas, we are imperfect:



"This will teach you what happens to people who listen to pre-liberation Allman Brothers, sinner!"

Be careful, all you infidels, lest you "get stoned" at a Taliban "rock show".













[Edited on 8/12/2012 by BrerRabbit]


BrerRabbit - 8/12/2012 at 11:26 PM

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Many know that devil worship was celebrated with certain music, which originated in Africa, where the early roots of the blues developed.



So does this mean that the devil is from Africa ? Or just the first devil worshippers ? At any rate you seem to be suggesting that the blues originated from devil worship. Did the Celtic tribes have devil music too ? Who was more likely to worship the devil and play devil music, early Europeans or Africans ? What was the music like at Stonehenge ?

Modern devil music certainly was not invented by the Allman Brothers, they were led astray by dark forces like Elmore James, and other demonic influences, mostly black bluesmen, so there certainly is that strong demonic African devil connection. So I think it is safe to say that the music of the Allman Brothers is not their fault. However, they should repent and shoulder some responsibility for leading so many of us astray. I would hate to have to admit that Allman Brothers concerts are really nothing but satanic rituals. If so, Watkins Glen was the single largest demonic gathering in world history, which would make the Allman Brothers the darkest of the Dark Lords. All speculation aside, I agree with you that there is hope for the Allman Brothers Band, albeit a slim ray, if they would just throw away their instruments and sing praises to God only, and if their fans would cease supporting their wicked rock and blues music, and bless the band by rushing the stage at their next show and smashing all their gear into splinters.

As to the European versus African devil quiestion, we do know for certain that they burned a lot of witches in Europe, so maybe Europeans were just as bad as Africans. The question that comes up here, is the devil a white man or a black man ? (No Obama jokes please, I'm expecting an enlightening chautaqua on anthropology and theology from G.I.N.A.)

And, perhaps the most compelling question of all: can the devil play the blues ?

Is this the devil in disguise, or Robert Johnson ? You decide.


gina - 8/14/2012 at 12:26 AM

The devil came from heaven, where he was ousted because he would not submit to God's commands. He was told to bow down to Adam, and he said why should I? He is a mortal, he is not superior to me. I have no problem bowing down to you, but why should I bow down to an inferior, lowly human?

But from God's way of thinking, it was the fact that he was defying his command for him to do that, which is what infuriated him. The bargain he made with God was he asked for respite till Judgement Day, he told God that he would weed out his kingdom of those who truly did not deserve to be in it, in this way he would prove his devotion and loyalty to God, weeding out potential people from getting into heaven, people who did not deserve to come there.

He told God he would lie, deceive them, but if their faith was strong enough then he would not succeed. God liked the idea, so he granted him respite till Judgement Day, and allows him to deceive, mislead, and seduce people using the things God forbid people to use. (getting drunk, getting laid outside of marriage etc.). As an angel of light, he had power that's where the devil came from.

The origins of the blues music came from Africa, and it was practiced by the Yoruba people.

Some like "Author Ed Morales has claimed that Yoruba mythology played a part in early blues, citing Robert Johnson's "Cross Road Blues" as a "thinly veiled reference to Eleggua, the orisha in charge of the crossroads.

Surely you know the story about the Crossroads. Everybody knows it.

"Eshu is the orisha of chance, accident and unpredictability. Because he is Olorun's linguist and the master of languages, Eshu is responsible for carrying messages and sacrifices from humans to the Sky God. Also known for his phallic powers and exploits. Eshu is said to lurk at gateways, on the highways and at the crossroads, where he introduces chance and accident into the lives of humans. Known by a variety of names, including Elegbara."

The Yorubas practice deity worship in that they use intecessors to bring petitions and prayers to their God. This is forbidden by God who declares he is to be worshipped as a monotheistic God.

What happened in Africa was that people used intecessors to carry prayers to those they believed to be good spriits that would take their pleas to God. In this way, they became defiled. The way it works here in the US is that if someone wants something, they bring money and offerrings (fruit, liquor) to someone who will perform rituals on their behalf using spirits who will get things done for them. Once they start dabbling in these matters, they end up needing protection, so they pay a fee, and become initiated and receive beads that have mystical powers to protect them from evil forces who would like to conquer them.

There are other sects some of which use black magic and spirits who get things done via the dark side emissaries. Many white side pactitioners do not even know how to combat this stuff, but there are those who do.

Are most musicians aware of all this? Can't say. Some will give anything to have the success, money and pleasures of this world, but it comes at a price. Some are willing to pay that price, if they do, their eternity is separation from the real God. It's not limited to musicians, it goes aross the board to many occupations and industries.

Each person must choose for themselves which path to follow.


BrerRabbit - 8/17/2012 at 08:37 PM

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The devil came from heaven, where he was ousted because he would not submit to God's commands. He was told to bow down to Adam, and he said why should I? He is a mortal, he is not superior to me. I have no problem bowing down to you, but why should I bow down to an inferior, lowly human?

But from God's way of thinking, it was the fact that he was defying his command for him to do that, which is what infuriated him. The bargain he made with God was he asked for respite till Judgement Day, he told God that he would weed out his kingdom of those who truly did not deserve to be in it, in this way he would prove his devotion and loyalty to God, weeding out potential people from getting into heaven, people who did not deserve to come there.

He told God he would lie, deceive them, but if their faith was strong enough then he would not succeed. God liked the idea, so he granted him respite till Judgement Day, and allows him to deceive, mislead, and seduce people using the things God forbid people to use. (getting drunk, getting laid outside of marriage etc.). As an angel of light, he had power that's where the devil came from.



Could you post the chapter and verse numbers in the Bible where you found this info ? Thx


BrerRabbit - 8/18/2012 at 05:10 PM

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The devil came from heaven, where he was ousted because he would not submit to God's commands. He was told to bow down to Adam, and he said why should I? He is a mortal, he is not superior to me. I have no problem bowing down to you, but why should I bow down to an inferior, lowly human?

But from God's way of thinking, it was the fact that he was defying his command for him to do that, which is what infuriated him. The bargain he made with God was he asked for respite till Judgement Day, he told God that he would weed out his kingdom of those who truly did not deserve to be in it, in this way he would prove his devotion and loyalty to God, weeding out potential people from getting into heaven, people who did not deserve to come there.

He told God he would lie, deceive them, but if their faith was strong enough then he would not succeed. God liked the idea, so he granted him respite till Judgement Day, and allows him to deceive, mislead, and seduce people using the things God forbid people to use. (getting drunk, getting laid outside of marriage etc.). As an angel of light, he had power that's where the devil came from.
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Could you post the chapter and verse numbers in the Bible where you found this info ? Thx



Well ? I'm waiting patiently. I would like to look up the passages and read them myself. Thx again


sibwlkr - 8/18/2012 at 08:12 PM

BrerRabbit,

What Gina is talking about is not found in the Bible. It's is found in a book of writing entitled the Life of Adam and Eve. Here's a wikipedia link that will give you some further info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Adam_and_Eve


BrerRabbit - 8/18/2012 at 08:18 PM

hey thx sib

good link. that's going to take some research, I'll catch up eventually. When i get the huevos and the patience I want to wade thru the Book of Enoch


dougrhon - 8/19/2012 at 12:12 AM

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BrerRabbit,

What Gina is talking about is not found in the Bible. It's is found in a book of writing entitled the Life of Adam and Eve. Here's a wikipedia link that will give you some further info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Adam_and_Eve


Guess you are still hanging around


bigann - 8/19/2012 at 12:40 AM

I'm guessing then there isn't much of a cheering squad in here for evolution? If Adam and Eve aren't representions of men and women in general then there was some serious incest going on in that Cain and Abel had to have married their own sisters. And if it's correct that they went to the land of Nod to marry, that means there were other people on the planet. I can't, with so many questions, take the Bible literally.


BrerRabbit - 8/19/2012 at 01:39 AM

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I'm guessing then there isn't much of a cheering squad in here for evolution?


au contraire mon cher! way I see it, after watching life's changes all these years, there is no conflict between evolution and creation. Evolution is creation, is how I finally figured it. Everyone's so busy arguing they're missing the great work of art in progress. More important to them to break into two camps, one to defend a dead God (stagnant religious dogma), the other worshipping the God of the Dead (stone cold scientific rationality).



[Edited on 8/19/2012 by BrerRabbit]


bigann - 8/19/2012 at 01:51 AM

Years ago, right after Planet of the Apes came out, I answered the door to discover two people passing out the Watch Tower little magazines and one of the first things the guy said was 'Do you believe in evolution of Divine creation?" I answered 'I believe in Divine creation through evolution." You could tell no one had prepared him for that answer. He and the other guy just stood there speechless for about thirty seconds, then thanked me for my time and left without saying another word! Point is, I agree with you....evolution doesn't at all mean it wasn't part of a Divine plan.


dadof2 - 8/19/2012 at 08:08 PM

This is one weird thread

Fred...might as well stick around...

Free entertainment


bigann - 8/19/2012 at 08:14 PM

I really miss a 'like' button in this site!


DougMacKenzie - 8/19/2012 at 11:33 PM

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I'm guessing then there isn't much of a cheering squad in here for evolution?


au contraire mon cher! way I see it, after watching life's changes all these years, there is no conflict between evolution and creation. Evolution is creation, is how I finally figured it. Everyone's so busy arguing they're missing the great work of art in progress. More important to them to break into two camps, one to defend a dead God (stagnant religious dogma), the other worshipping the God of the Dead (stone cold scientific rationality).



I agree. The entire universe and everything in it is constantly changing, which is what "evolution" is really about. If God exists science willl bear that out and should be wholeheartedly embraced.


piacere - 8/20/2012 at 12:27 PM

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This is one weird thread

Fred...might as well stick around...

Free entertainment


wait 'til football season gets going...


BrerRabbit - 5/12/2019 at 03:27 AM

Bumpin up a classic from the vault.

I miss bigann


Lee - 5/12/2019 at 01:18 PM

I forgot all about this thread. It was very entertaining!


gina - 5/13/2019 at 09:27 PM

The Democratic Primary is June 25, not sure when the Republican one is, but this is not time to be un-informed. We vote for those Congress people not to far off in the future, and this is 2019, 2020 is the Presidential election. Not to mention we are on the verge of the 7 year war between Israel and the Muslim world, which will be provoked by evil do-ers and be blamed on Iran. At the 3 and 1/2 year mark the anti-Christ rises, gets a peace treaty signed and then wants to subjugate the world. Senator Cory Booker wants to disarm everyone in America violating the Constitution which gives people the right to protect themselves, their homes, their families. Now is not the time to give up on learning what is going on in case anybody is contemplating it.


BrerRabbit - 5/13/2019 at 11:01 PM

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Now is not the time to give up on learning what is going on in case anybody is contemplating it.


I agree - now is the time to focus on reality. In other words, now is the time to ignore wild-eyed delusional psychos.


BrerRabbit - 5/13/2019 at 11:39 PM

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

. . .If this were Deuteronomy times you easily made enough failed predictions over the last decade and a half to earn you a proper stoning by now. 7 year war? Antichrist at 3.5 year mark? Hoolaballoola gonna team up with Makalakawawa and overrun Hoogabooga? Clock's ticking.


[Edited on 5/13/2019 by BrerRabbit]


PhotoRon286 - 5/14/2019 at 07:57 PM

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Bumpin up a classic from the vault.

I miss bigann


I see her every day on facebook.


PhotoRon286 - 5/14/2019 at 08:00 PM

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That would be a shame, Mike. Gina is clearly unstable and has been for a while.
This. If you enjoy coming here it would be a shame to let someone who is a legend in her own mind keep you away, Mike. Really. Remember what you are dealing with ... You are talking about someone whose sense of self importance is so great (or warped) that they have convinced themselves they are individually on the radar of national security, or international security, or cartoon network scheduling ... that ''They" - whoever 'they' are ... NWO, OWN, NMHA, WTF inc. - have 'spies' infiltrating her home to place listening devices or monitoring devices or thumbtack taps in the heels of her shoes because she has exclusive knowledge of something of great import or??? (sorry ... I always get lost on this one...)

Blessings on you and your family - however you chose to grow it. In a world where there are too many people having children who are not wanted, who will not be loved or cared for the way they deserve to be, who do not have an adult to champion them it's nice to hear of children whose lives contain all of this. As it should be.


An oldie but goodie.


Jerry - 5/20/2019 at 08:26 PM

A lot of posters we haven't seen in along time is on this thread.


Mike - 5/23/2019 at 10:11 PM

I've largely extricated myself from corners of the internet that, while intriguing and somewhat informative, cause me angst and frustration. After recently deleting my Twitter account (cesspool of the internet), I found myself back here today. I've lurked occasionally, but people [read: Gina] make it less than enjoyable for me. That, and the constant "your views are stupid because they don't align with mine" approach bother me and I can't stand that much negativity in my life.

Hope you all are well.





Mike


OriginalGoober - 5/24/2019 at 12:08 AM


Before Trump came on the scene and won, pretty much in the same spectacular fashion as Tyrion beating the Mountain in trial by combat, it was much easier to communicate with liberals.


OriginalGoober - 5/24/2019 at 12:10 AM


and you have to have been labeled a Trump supporter to experience the shift


BrerRabbit - 5/24/2019 at 12:53 AM

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Before Trump came on the scene and won, pretty much in the same spectacular fashion as Tyrion beating the Mountain in trial by combat. . .


It is kind of harsh to compare him to a drunken midget whoremonger, and to equate a nearly tied democratic election to "trial by combat."


BrerRabbit - 5/24/2019 at 01:08 AM

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and you have to have been labeled a Trump supporter to experience the shift


It is really unfair to be labeled a Trump supporter, if all you did was support Trump. Just because someone supports Trump doesn't give folks the right to slap the "Trump supporter" label on him. We should all be free to be what we are without bigots calling us what we are.


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