Thread: MLB 2016 - PLAY BALL!!!

Bhawk - 3/10/2010 at 02:58 PM

Go...

ROYALS!





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[Edited on 4/4/2016 by Bhawk]


SantaCruzBluz - 3/10/2010 at 03:04 PM

Is this where I can find out if Tom Glavine is still pitching for the Braves?


bob1954 - 3/10/2010 at 03:07 PM

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Go...

ROYALS!



I'm afraid it's gonna be another long year for the Royals. But based on what I've seen so far things may work out for the Tigers if everyone stays healthy. The pitching looks stronger than last year. I hated to see Granderson go, but Jackson looks really good in spring training. Hopefully Inge is 100% after double knee surgery...he says he's feeling good. Ordonez and Cabrera both are poised to have a great year. Go Tigers!


Bhawk - 3/10/2010 at 03:10 PM

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Is this where I can find out if Tom Glavine is still pitching for the Braves?


Retired.


Bhawk - 3/10/2010 at 03:10 PM

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I'm afraid it's gonna be another long year for the Royals.


Yeah, but we got a kick-a$$ ballpark...


SpyNet - 3/10/2010 at 03:11 PM

I was wondering if you guy's ever talked Baseball here.
I was a big fan of the St Louis Cardinal's growing up.
Gas House Gang was my father's team.
I became a Yankees fan after we moved east in '58 and started going to Yankee Stadium.
Still enjoy attending live games, and plan on going to the New Yankee Stadium this season, as well as The Met's new Stadium.
Minor League games are always a treat also. Watching raw talent being refined is a beautiful thing.


Gregallmanfan - 3/10/2010 at 03:18 PM

Let's Go Yankees!!!

Bring home #28.


annarose3 - 3/10/2010 at 11:25 PM

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Is this where I can find out if Tom Glavine is still pitching for the Braves?


Retired.


So Glavine actually hung it up?

Did he get to 300 wins?

Either way, he's in.


annarose3 - 3/10/2010 at 11:27 PM

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Go...

ROYALS!




UUGGH!!!

I hate the Royals.

They always seem to thwart the Tigers, and this goes back for years now.


annarose3 - 3/10/2010 at 11:33 PM

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Go...

ROYALS!



I'm afraid it's gonna be another long year for the Royals. But based on what I've seen so far things may work out for the Tigers if everyone stays healthy. The pitching looks stronger than last year. I hated to see Granderson go, but Jackson looks really good in spring training. Hopefully Inge is 100% after double knee surgery...he says he's feeling good. Ordonez and Cabrera both are poised to have a great year. Go Tigers!



Personally, I'll never forgive Cabrera for tanking it during those critical games the last week of the season. To be three times the legal limit ten hours before what amounted to be a playoff game is inexcusable. I went to all seven games that week, he stranded over thirty runners all total. He simply didn't care about winning.

As for Inge, he's a regular at the bar I manage, and he's a great guy. He played through Steve Yzerman type pain last year, because we needed his defense.

My prediction for the Tigers is a .500 finish. There's a lot of talent there with guys like Cabrera, Verlander ( who I recently met), Valarde, and Ordonez. But there are way too many holes.

It does help that Nathan went down for the Twins. He's 40 for 40 I believe against the Tigers, and we play those guys 19 times.

Now if Mauer could just go down!!!!!



bob1954 - 3/10/2010 at 11:33 PM

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Is this where I can find out if Tom Glavine is still pitching for the Braves?


Retired.


So Glavine actually hung it up?

Did he get to 300 wins?

Either way, he's in.

305


dutchoneill - 3/11/2010 at 12:54 AM

I heard on Mike and Mike today that MLB is considering allowing teams to 'float' in and out of their divisions. Teams that think they could compete in another division may be able to switch for a season, teams that are rebuilding..i.e. Indians may switch to the Al East to get 18 home games with Yanks and Red Sox and pull some big crowds.
I like the idea. MLB shaking it up.


annarose3 - 3/11/2010 at 01:00 AM

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I heard on Mike and Mike today that MLB is considering allowing teams to 'float' in and out of their divisions. Teams that think they could compete in another division may be able to switch for a season, teams that are rebuilding..i.e. Indians may switch to the Al East to get 18 home games with Yanks and Red Sox and pull some big crowds.
I like the idea. MLB shaking it up.



That will never happen, as it is a horrible idea.


Bhawk - 3/11/2010 at 01:01 AM

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I heard on Mike and Mike today that MLB is considering allowing teams to 'float' in and out of their divisions. Teams that think they could compete in another division may be able to switch for a season, teams that are rebuilding..i.e. Indians may switch to the Al East to get 18 home games with Yanks and Red Sox and pull some big crowds.
I like the idea. MLB shaking it up.


Kinda reminds me of the concept of relegation in English Premier League soccer, a concept I am a huge fan of.

Sounds good to me. I live in small market hell anyway.


annarose3 - 3/11/2010 at 01:07 AM


Sounds good to me. I live in small market hell anyway.





It sounds like a horrible idea to me.

Let teams move or pick their divisions??


dutchoneill - 3/11/2010 at 02:43 AM

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Sounds good to me. I live in small market hell anyway.



It sounds like a horrible idea to me.

Let teams move or pick their divisions??


I'd say it's not gonna be a free for all, but I'm for it and I think it will add some excitement to some markets who are struggling and those who think they can contend given the right circumstances.
I think we'll see it in the future.


WharfRat - 3/11/2010 at 04:41 AM

How can a MLB thread be started by a fan of a minor league team?

LETS GO YANKEES


Sang - 3/11/2010 at 04:46 AM


SantaCruzBluz - 3/11/2010 at 04:51 AM

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Is this where I can find out if Tom Glavine is still pitching for the Braves?


Retired.


So Glavine actually hung it up?

Did he get to 300 wins?

Either way, he's in.

305


One of my favorite players. In the spring of 1991, he and Steve Avery were signing at a baseball card event my son and I went to. For the reasonable price of 2 bucks each, i got him to sign two of his rookie cards. I wonder if they are worth anything now.


bob1954 - 3/11/2010 at 07:31 AM

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I heard on Mike and Mike today that MLB is considering allowing teams to 'float' in and out of their divisions. Teams that think they could compete in another division may be able to switch for a season, teams that are rebuilding..i.e. Indians may switch to the Al East to get 18 home games with Yanks and Red Sox and pull some big crowds.
I like the idea. MLB shaking it up.

MLB in discussions over 'floating realignment'
Sporting News staff reports
Wednesday, Mar. 10, 2010 - 8:57 a.m. ET

Major League Baseball teams would be able to pick their division and league annually under a plan being floated by a committee charged with examining the game.

SI.com's Tom Verducci reports there is strong support among the 14-member panel of mainly executives and managers for the idea of "floating realignment." It is seen as a way to increase competitive balance. Verducci adds, however, that the concept is merely in the talking stages and lacks a structure. Moreover, the committee's recommendations are non-binding.

Under the concept, teams would be able to decide where they'd want to play in a given season based on geography, payroll and willingness to contend. SI.com, citing an unnamed source who is familiar with the discussions, notes that a team couldn't move into a division more than two time zones beyond its home city — say, the Rays or Orioles trying to join the NL West.

The Rays, though, could move out of the AL East and into the AL Central, where they conceivably would have a better shot at making the playoffs.

Floating realignment also could change the number of teams in a division or league in a given season. It also would affect scheduling of interleague games.

"This is all about any ideas that help make the game better," says Braves president John Schuerholz, a committee co-chairman.


annarose3 - 3/11/2010 at 07:37 AM

This just sounds like a horrible idea.

What possible benefits would come from this??

No team would ever decide to join the western divisions because it would kill their TV ratings...

The whole "willingness" to contend thing sounds bad.

All teams should be trying to contend.


dutchoneill - 3/11/2010 at 10:53 AM

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This just sounds like a horrible idea.

What possible benefits would come from this??

No team would ever decide to join the western divisions because it would kill their TV ratings...

The whole "willingness" to contend thing sounds bad.

All teams should be trying to contend.



Teams go through rebuilding years while they try and contend. Those teams like the Indians might want to pack their park with big market teams. It's a business.


Gregallmanfan - 3/11/2010 at 12:25 PM

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I heard on Mike and Mike today that MLB is considering allowing teams to 'float' in and out of their divisions. Teams that think they could compete in another division may be able to switch for a season, teams that are rebuilding..i.e. Indians may switch to the Al East to get 18 home games with Yanks and Red Sox and pull some big crowds.
I like the idea. MLB shaking it up.


I like the idea from a small market standpoint. If you put the big spenders together, and the low budgets, then mix it up in the postseason, it would add interest. As we've seen, any team/pitching staff can get hot in October and that would give some young small market teams a real chance.

However, as a Yankee fan, I hate it.


WharfRat - 3/11/2010 at 12:35 PM

I am ok with it as long as the Yanks still get to bitch slap the Red Sox 19 times a year


SpyNet - 3/11/2010 at 02:30 PM

Nathan going down for Twins leaves the door open for an already strong Tiger team.
Nathan will need Tommy John Surgery it appears, Do the Twins move Liriano to the Bullpen to close? His winter league numbers are unbelievable


Lee - 3/11/2010 at 02:32 PM

I saw that on Mike and Mike as well. I think it's a bad idea. If the small market teams need larger gate revenue maybe not having the Indians vs Royals or Pirates vs Reds 19 teams a year would be a step in the right direction.


Bhawk - 3/11/2010 at 03:25 PM

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How can a MLB thread be started by a fan of a minor league team?

LETS GO YANKEES


I won't make too much noise. I'm too busy trying to figure out how a team can spend $1.6 billion in payroll over 10 years and only have World Series Title to show for it...


ABBcujo - 3/11/2010 at 04:48 PM

Go Phillies!

Or is that the Sillies?


WharfRat - 3/11/2010 at 09:29 PM

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Go Phillies!

Or is that the Sillies?


Ahem


WharfRat - 3/11/2010 at 09:29 PM

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How can a MLB thread be started by a fan of a minor league team?

LETS GO YANKEES


I won't make too much noise. I'm too busy trying to figure out how a team can spend $1.6 billion in payroll over 10 years and only have World Series Title to show for it...


Eff Bhawk


DanB - 3/11/2010 at 09:31 PM

Will A-Roid be on pins and needles again this season or just needles?


jerryphilbob - 3/11/2010 at 11:08 PM

Baseball is kinda like Golf and Nascar. It allows me to get a nap in and maybe I can wake up in the 9th inning, the final 18th hole, or 3 laps to go and see the end of the race. All of them make for a grate way for me to get a little shut eye, they easily put me to sleep .


SpyNet - 3/11/2010 at 11:08 PM

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I heard on Mike and Mike today that MLB is considering allowing teams to 'float' in and out of their divisions. Teams that think they could compete in another division may be able to switch for a season, teams that are rebuilding..i.e. Indians may switch to the Al East to get 18 home games with Yanks and Red Sox and pull some big crowds.
I like the idea. MLB shaking it up.

MLB in discussions over 'floating realignment'
Sporting News staff reports
Wednesday, Mar. 10, 2010 - 8:57 a.m. ET

Major League Baseball teams would be able to pick their division and league annually under a plan being floated by a committee charged with examining the game.

SI.com's Tom Verducci reports there is strong support among the 14-member panel of mainly executives and managers for the idea of "floating realignment." It is seen as a way to increase competitive balance. Verducci adds, however, that the concept is merely in the talking stages and lacks a structure. Moreover, the committee's recommendations are non-binding.

Under the concept, teams would be able to decide where they'd want to play in a given season based on geography, payroll and willingness to contend. SI.com, citing an unnamed source who is familiar with the discussions, notes that a team couldn't move into a division more than two time zones beyond its home city — say, the Rays or Orioles trying to join the NL West.

The Rays, though, could move out of the AL East and into the AL Central, where they conceivably would have a better shot at making the playoffs.

Floating realignment also could change the number of teams in a division or league in a given season. It also would affect scheduling of interleague games.

"This is all about any ideas that help make the game better," says Braves president John Schuerholz, a committee co-chairman.


This shows there is no chance for a salary cap, and the league is obviously giving up any chance of it ever being part of the Barginning Agreement.
I wouldn't imagine being able to change divisions that go through 2 time zones, and what do you do about the DH?
I understand the economical reasoning behind the idea, I'm just not feeling it is good for the game overall.
The main reason I don't like it is, it is not forcing the small market teams to feel they don't have to spend more money to compete in order to fill their stadiums. Some teams are pocketing too much money instead of putting it back in the teams. Too me, that is more obscene than a team spending most of the money they make to win. Leaving it up to the big fish to fill their stadiums for them without having to field the best team goes against the whole competitive nature of any sport. What about the weaker teams who has a powerhouse move into their division to make their path to the playoffs easier. Do all the divisions have to keep a certain number of teams?
So many questions, and I think I only scratched the surface


bob1954 - 3/11/2010 at 11:15 PM

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I wouldn't imagine being able to change divisions that go through 2 time zones, and what do you do about the DH?

I'd like to see the DH repealed regardless of what else they do. I think it's bad for the game. Sure, it gives some sluggers an extended career, but it eliminates a lot of late game strategizing, and AL pitchers are more prones to throwing bean balls since they have no fear of retribution. In short, DH is BS.


Gregallmanfan - 3/12/2010 at 02:38 PM

I'd like to hear more about the changing divisions idea, it could work.

However, I think ultimately what baseball really needs, short term anyway, is contraction. Eliminate a couple of teams from each league and it lessens the disparity between top and bottom, and allows some of that much needed pitching to be spread around too.

Plus, these teams aren't usually much of a road draw either, so remaining teams should see a bump at the gate.


Crosscut3 - 3/12/2010 at 06:16 PM

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I am ok with it as long as the Yanks still get to bitch slap the Red Sox 19 times a year


That may be the case this year, but at least we have Nomah.....


ABBcujo - 3/12/2010 at 06:19 PM

Is there gonna be a Yahoo Fantasy Baseball league this year?


DanB - 3/12/2010 at 06:27 PM

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Is there gonna be a Yahoo Fantasy Baseball league this year?


yes - id#333617 password Duane

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/333617


WharfRat - 3/14/2010 at 04:02 PM

Man.....


phillybob - 3/14/2010 at 04:13 PM

I just singed up Go Phillies!!!


DanB - 3/14/2010 at 05:08 PM

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Man.....




is that a pile of needles they dug up?


DanB - 3/14/2010 at 05:08 PM

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I just singed up Go Phillies!!!


The Dean Long Allstars?


WharfRat - 3/14/2010 at 08:52 PM

Care to comment Sawx fans?


Gregallmanfan - 3/15/2010 at 12:42 AM

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Seems unnecessary....in a lot of ways.


WharfRat - 3/15/2010 at 02:17 AM

Most all of it is for sale

And the reason they are doing it that way is because they cant just "blow it up" being in a residential area...


DougMacKenzie - 3/15/2010 at 03:39 AM

Does anyone know if the Rangers are playing baseball this year?


annarose3 - 3/15/2010 at 08:14 AM

Singing Guerrero from the Angels was a steal at the price!

But in the end I expect the rangers to play like always have for nearly a hundred years now, which obviously goes back way before they were in Texas.


gondicar - 3/15/2010 at 12:28 PM

Thoughts and prayers to 19-year-old Sox prospect Ryan Westmoreland who is undergoing dangerous brain surgery tomorrow in Arizona...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/03/15/concern_ev ident_for_sox_westmoreland/


bob1954 - 3/15/2010 at 01:07 PM

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Thoughts and prayers to 19-year-old Sox prospect Ryan Westmoreland who is undergoing dangerous brain surgery tomorrow in Arizona...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/03/15/concern_ev ident_for_sox_westmoreland/

Wow, that sounds really serious. I hope it all goes well for him.


sonnystang - 3/15/2010 at 01:13 PM

Good luck Ryan................prayers

GO RAYS..........


SpyNet - 3/15/2010 at 01:37 PM

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Thoughts and prayers to 19-year-old Sox prospect Ryan Westmoreland who is undergoing dangerous brain surgery tomorrow in Arizona...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/03/15/concern_ev ident_for_sox_westmoreland/

Here's prayers he comes back like Jon Lester did for the Sox.
I see Lester in the running for the Cy Young this year.


gondicar - 3/15/2010 at 03:28 PM

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I can relate as it reminds me of when they took down the old Boston Garden...I have photos (somewhere) that I took with a tear in my eye of when it was half torn down, with the inside totally exposed to anyone driving by on the old elevated expressway...I found this one online, the ones I took were similar...


annarose3 - 3/17/2010 at 02:20 AM

Hey, what happened to the name of the thread?? lol

Is this the official ABB Board 2010 baseball thread or what?

I'm so excited for this upcoming season!!! I can't wait for opening day!


gondicar - 3/17/2010 at 04:06 AM

Red Sox prospect Ryan Westmoreland underwent successful brain surgery on Tuesday in Phoenix, the Red Sox announced.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100316&content_id=8813316


SpyNet - 3/17/2010 at 11:29 AM

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Red Sox prospect Ryan Westmoreland underwent successful brain surgery on Tuesday in Phoenix, the Red Sox announced.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100316&content_id=8813316

good to hear. Here's to a full recovery


Gregallmanfan - 3/17/2010 at 02:57 PM

Hers's a vibe from the Evil Empire hoping Westmoreland recovers quickly.

On another note, with Hughes throwing well yesterday, and Aceves all spring, Joba probably has to have his A game today to remain in contention for the 5 spot.


Bhawk - 3/17/2010 at 03:17 PM

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Hey, what happened to the name of the thread?? lol

Is this the official ABB Board 2010 baseball thread or what?

I'm so excited for this upcoming season!!! I can't wait for opening day!


The title of the thread will change from time to time. Keeps things...fresh.


gondicar - 3/17/2010 at 03:55 PM

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Hers's a vibe from the Evil Empire hoping Westmoreland recovers quickly.

On another note, with Hughes throwing well yesterday, and Aceves all spring, Joba probably has to have his A game today to remain in contention for the 5 spot.


There are some classy yankee fans, who knew? Clearly Westmoreland's situation trancends team allegences.

I should probably know this ("know thy enemy" ), but who's the setup man if Hughes goes to the rotation?

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gondicar - 3/17/2010 at 07:08 PM

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Hers's a vibe from the Evil Empire hoping Westmoreland recovers quickly.

On another note, with Hughes throwing well yesterday, and Aceves all spring, Joba probably has to have his A game today to remain in contention for the 5 spot.


There are some classy yankee fans, who knew? Clearly Westmoreland's situation trancends team allegences.

I should probably know this ("know thy enemy" ), but who's the setup man if Hughes goes to the rotation?

[Edited on 3/17/2010 by gondicar]


Chamberlain?


Maybe, but if he's not good enough to make the rotation is he really the best opt...oh wait, ok, well I guess that works for me!!


WharfRat - 3/18/2010 at 02:32 AM

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Hers's a vibe from the Evil Empire hoping Westmoreland recovers quickly.

On another note, with Hughes throwing well yesterday, and Aceves all spring, Joba probably has to have his A game today to remain in contention for the 5 spot.


There are some classy yankee fans, who knew? Clearly Westmoreland's situation trancends team allegences.

I should probably know this ("know thy enemy" ), but who's the setup man if Hughes goes to the rotation?

[Edited on 3/17/2010 by gondicar]


Chamberlain?


Yes.
Just as I have been saying all along. This guy is just WAY to high strung to be a starter.
Hughes will be a good #5, IMHO.

Did you guys see that the Rangers manager tested positive for coke?
I didnt even realize they tested coaches..Makes sense I guess though.


gondicar - 3/18/2010 at 02:54 AM




WharfRat - 3/18/2010 at 03:23 AM

Methinks it was something a bit stonger


Gregallmanfan - 3/18/2010 at 11:17 AM

Good question about Chamberlain's pen effectiveness, I guess he threw 92-93 and had 3 good innings against a weak Phillie lineup. If he's going to be effective in the pen, he needs his velocity and attitude up another level, but that may come with warmer weather and more throwing.


SpyNet - 3/18/2010 at 01:03 PM

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Hers's a vibe from the Evil Empire hoping Westmoreland recovers quickly.

On another note, with Hughes throwing well yesterday, and Aceves all spring, Joba probably has to have his A game today to remain in contention for the 5 spot.


There are some classy yankee fans, who knew? Clearly Westmoreland's situation trancends team allegences.

I should probably know this ("know thy enemy" ), but who's the setup man if Hughes goes to the rotation?

[Edited on 3/17/2010 by gondicar]


Chamberlain?


Yes.
Just as I have been saying all along. This guy is just WAY to high strung to be a starter.
Hughes will be a good #5, IMHO.

Did you guys see that the Rangers manager tested positive for coke?
I didnt even realize they tested coaches..Makes sense I guess though.


I thought the whole idea of the Joba rules were to get him ready to be a starter?
That was the reason to relagating him to so many innings over the last 2 years.
Hughs is not ready to be a regular 5th starter at this time either by the way the Yankees have been treating the Kids arms.
I would think it is Jobas spot to lose. Yankees are lucky to have 4-5 guys able to step into the 5th spot anyway
I also believe the kid Robinson is capable of becoming an 8th inning setup guy if needed.
if i recall, he came in with the bases loaded no one out in a playoff game, and got out of it unscathed.
Once the season starts you can throw all Spring records out the window anyway.


Gregallmanfan - 3/18/2010 at 01:15 PM

good points SpyNet. Within the Yankee world though, I believe there is real debate about whether Joba is best starting or relieving. Many think his mentality is better suited to the pen, and see him having the ability to succeed Rivera. Others, like Cashman I think, see the value of finding a #1-#2 starter in your organization so you have him in his prime, rather than getting him as a free agent in his 30's facing decline and arm troubles.


SpyNet - 3/18/2010 at 01:36 PM

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good points SpyNet. Within the Yankee world though, I believe there is real debate about whether Joba is best starting or relieving. Many think his mentality is better suited to the pen, and see him having the ability to succeed Rivera. Others, like Cashman I think, see the value of finding a #1-#2 starter in your organization so you have him in his prime, rather than getting him as a free agent in his 30's facing decline and arm troubles.

After seeing him hit the scence in 07 the way he did, it is hard to argue he doesn't belong in the bullpen. He was just Stellar!
They did draft him as a starter though, and he has 4 legit pitches, like a starter should.
If he learns to harness all that energy, and control his emotions (to a point), he can be a dominant starter I think.
Not a bad problem to have huh? 4-5 guys able to take the 5th spot?


WharfRat - 3/18/2010 at 03:58 PM

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I also believe the kid Robinson is capable of becoming an 8th inning setup guy if needed.


I agree.. I like this guy alot. His attitude and demeanor remind me of Mo. Young Jedi is learning his lessons well

And Joba Rules was a total mistake from the beginning (IMO) Cashman and Co. really dropped the ball with this one. Just hope he can bounce back mentally.


Gregallmanfan - 3/18/2010 at 04:15 PM

To be fair the Yankees, the Joba rules need context. Joba doesn't have the minor league time many pitchers his age have because he was drafted late due to injury or something. The Yankees tried to split the baby with him by building up his innings at the major league level.

Chamberlain has only 88 minor league innings, by comparison, Phil Hughes has 330. Hughes spent the better part of 2 seasons, plus some shorter stints over 4 others there, Chamberlain appeared in the minors in only one year.

This is also a factor in why the Yankees believe he has not fully blossomed as a starter yet. His repertoire will sharpen with work. As a reliever, he could get by on 2 pitches, blazing fastball and biting slider - thrown at full strength for one inning. As a starter he needs at least 3 pitches, likely 4, and has to learn to pitch at less than 110%.


Gregallmanfan - 3/18/2010 at 06:20 PM

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Then the Yankees screwed up. You don't train a pitcher in the big leagues. That's what the minors are for. The Yankees don't have a good track record with young pitchers lately. Part of that goes back to Torre who overuses his favorite relievers. He ruined Scott Proctor by overusing him and now with the Dodgers he has done the same to Cory Wade and possibly Ramon Troncoso. He probably overused Wang with the Yankees as well. Pitchers usually take longer to develop than hitters. The Yankees would have been better off letting Chamberlain build up his arm in the minors. They could always find a scrap heap pitcher for a year or two while waiting for Chamberlain.


Torre blew out more arms than any manager I remember, Proctor being a GREAT example. However, it wasn't EVERY reliever. Nelson, Stanton, and especially Rivera thrived under him for long stretches. In fact, his use of Mariano has allowed him to be at the top of the game longer than most.

I disagree about training Chamberlain in the major leagues though. Sure, they made a mess of him last year, and ultimately may pay for it, but the goal for the Yankees was to win a World Series (accomplished) and lengthen his innings (accomplished) so whether he posted gaudy numbers is irrelevant. He put up what any 4th or 5th starter would and that's fine. The Yanks had the luxury of letting him grow at the ML level. When other teams rush guys into the rotation, it's just not in the spotlight the way it is in NY. And, other teams limit their early career innings by having them start season AA/AAA, then bring them up.

Come April, it may well be Hughes in the rotation and Joba in the pen, but I don't think you can blame that on the Joba rules. Blame his inconsistency last year on that, but not anything happening now.


DanB - 3/18/2010 at 08:33 PM

The Yankees need to resign Kyle Farnsworth


gondicar - 3/19/2010 at 03:40 AM

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The Yankees need to resign Kyle Farnsworth


LOL. I would be ok with that.


WharfRat - 3/21/2010 at 09:33 PM

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The Yankees need to resign Kyle Farnsworth


Do not

You can have Javy Vazquez back though


annarose3 - 3/21/2010 at 09:53 PM


Torre blew out more arms than any manager I remember,







What about Billy Martin?

Remember what he did to all those arms when he was with the A's?


SpyNet - 3/21/2010 at 10:00 PM

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Torre blew out more arms than any manager I remember,







What about Billy Martin?

Remember what he did to all those arms when he was with the A's?


Both staements are right on the money.
Only slack I would cut martin is, There was no pitch count then or a Tom Veducci study to point out the significances of pitch counts, and the bringing along a young pitcher at no no than a 30% increase in pitch count.
Torre Knew all this.


annarose3 - 3/21/2010 at 10:18 PM

The Twins will end up regretting that deal someday. That's way too long for way too much.


SpyNet - 3/22/2010 at 12:39 AM

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The Twins will end up regretting that deal someday. That's way too long for way too much.

He is the face of their franchise, and the home town hero. It was actually a hometown discount contract. He could have gotten more in the open market I think
What they will make in box office and jersey sales will make up for a big chunk.
Twins have a great chance to win consistantly in that division.
Unless they move the Red Sox over in reallignment


WharfRat - 3/22/2010 at 02:01 AM

It is quite a long contract for a catcher, but that doesnt mean he cant move to 1B or DH towards the end of the deal..


annarose3 - 3/22/2010 at 02:08 AM

I think it's a mistake for any pro team to tie up such a large portion of their payroll in just one player---in the long run it'll kill the teams overall depth.

And how many of these long term mega deals have worked out for the team or their fans?

For every mega deal that worked like Jeters I could name you a dozen that didn't.


Gregallmanfan - 3/22/2010 at 02:33 AM

This isn't like the Texas Rangers signing A-Rod to $25MM per, and being unable to fill in around him because the Twins always have good young players from their farm system on the cheap to balance the Mauer deal out.

I'm glad to see him stay there...and NOT in Bahstahn.


annarose3 - 3/22/2010 at 02:40 AM

Personally, I would have preferred to see him leave the American league central. He just kills the Tigers!


annarose3 - 3/22/2010 at 06:21 AM

Another contract that shocked me was the Matt Holdiday contract with the Cards.

How in the hell is that guy worth all that? I'm sure Pujols loved it though, because they're going to have to give him an awful lot more.


Crosscut3 - 3/22/2010 at 12:06 PM

I think that Mauer is worth the money. As said before, He is the face of the francise, and probably on the way to becoming the face of the sport.

It seems to me, that he is what pro athletes should be.


gondicar - 3/22/2010 at 12:30 PM

There have been plenty of long-term mega contracts that have proven out to be a mistake...I think Mauer is the exception. Good deal for the player, the team, and the fans in Minn.

(and for Gregallmanfan...touche...I'm glad this keeps him out of NY pinstripes )


Gregallmanfan - 3/22/2010 at 01:49 PM

quote:
There have been plenty of long-term mega contracts that have proven out to be a mistake...I think Mauer is the exception. Good deal for the player, the team, and the fans in Minn.

(and for Gregallmanfan...touche...I'm glad this keeps him out of NY pinstripes )


One less bidding war between us Gondicar....all the more money we can both throw at Crawford, who's probably thrilled about this too.


SpyNet - 3/22/2010 at 08:02 PM

quote:
quote:
There have been plenty of long-term mega contracts that have proven out to be a mistake...I think Mauer is the exception. Good deal for the player, the team, and the fans in Minn.

(and for Gregallmanfan...touche...I'm glad this keeps him out of NY pinstripes )


One less bidding war between us Gondicar....all the more money we can both throw at Crawford, who's probably thrilled about this too.

From some ESPN Insider blogs my Grandson has read of some of the top writers. The yankees are going after Jason Werth of the Phillies who is a free agent more than Carl Crawford.
After observing Werth perform in the Post Season, I believe he would be a perfect fit.
He looks more like a Red Sox right now with the hair and beard, but I like the thought of him playing in NY now that I'm back here


Bhawk - 3/23/2010 at 02:05 PM

Grapefruit League
Team W L PCT GB
Tampa Bay 13 6 .684 -
Atlanta 11 6 .647 1.0
Detroit 11 8 .579 2.0
Philadelphia 9 7 .563 2.5
Toronto 9 7 .563 2.5
Houston 10 8 .556 2.5
Minnesota 9 8 .529 3.0
Florida 10 9 .526 3.0
NY Mets 10 9 .526 3.0
Boston 9 11 .450 4.5
St. Louis 8 10 .444 4.5
Baltimore 8 11 .421 5.0
NY Yankees 8 11 .421 5.0
Pittsburgh 5 11 .313 6.5
Washington 5 13 .278 7.5

Cactus League
Team W L PCT GB
San Francisco 15 6 .714 -
Cleveland 12 5 .706 1.0
Colorado 13 8 .619 2.0
Chi Cubs 11 8 .579 3.0
Milwaukee 11 9 .550 3.5
Arizona 10 10 .500 4.5
Kansas City 8 8 .500 4.5
Oakland 9 10 .474 5.0
San Diego 9 10 .474 5.0
Cincinnati 8 9 .471 5.0
LA Dodgers 7 10 .412 6.0
Seattle 7 11 .389 6.5
Chi White Sox 6 10 .375 6.5
Texas 6 12 .333 7.5
LA Angels 5 11 .313 7.5


annarose3 - 3/24/2010 at 06:22 PM

BUMP!!!

What the hell---page four??

Forget all this NFL, candy bar BS, bhuddist crap...

It's almost baseball season!

To HELL with the NFL.



[Edited on 3/24/2010 by annarose3]


Gregallmanfan - 3/24/2010 at 06:50 PM

quote:
BUMP!!!

What the hell---page four??

Forget all this NFL, candy bar BS, bhuddist crap...

It's almost baseball season!

To HELL with the NFL.



[Edited on 3/24/2010 by annarose3]


AR3 if I could give you 50 karma bumps for this post alone, I'd do it!


annarose3 - 3/24/2010 at 07:07 PM

I'm so sick of the NFL...

It's like we baseball fans wait around all off season for Bo Jacksons "hobby" to end..

Come February it finally does...

Then we have to listen to these NFL fans talk about the draft for months....

I can't stand that sh!t.




Bhawk - 3/24/2010 at 08:27 PM

No reason to bag on other sports...enough stuff gets bagged on around here.


WharfRat - 3/25/2010 at 04:55 AM

quote:
NY Yankees 8 11 .421 5.0



OMG, the Yanks are DOOMED!

Fire Girardi now!













Crosscut3 - 3/25/2010 at 11:45 AM

Looks like Tampa Bay and San Fran are going to run away with it this year.....


WharfRat - 3/25/2010 at 12:30 PM

And Washington has a head start on things


Crosscut3 - 3/25/2010 at 01:08 PM

It's pretty sad, but that's about where they'll end up in September as well.....


SpyNet - 3/28/2010 at 01:53 PM

Regular Season Opens This Week!

PLAY BALL!!


WharfRat - 3/28/2010 at 07:22 PM

quote:
Regular Season Opens This Week!

PLAY BALL!!



Sang - 3/29/2010 at 01:04 AM

Saw the White Sox play San Francisco last week in spring training at the beautiful new park the White Sox and Dodgers share. It's spring training, but the Sox sucked. Gavin Floyd gave up 6 runs in 4 innings and was battered around. The White Sox hitting was pathetic.... hope the season goes better than what I saw......


Bhawk - 3/30/2010 at 01:23 PM

Almost Opening Day...


SpyNet - 3/30/2010 at 07:33 PM

quote:
Almost Opening Day...

Be still my heart


SpyNet - 3/30/2010 at 07:33 PM

quote:
Almost Opening Day...

Be still my heart


Crosscut3 - 3/31/2010 at 01:00 AM

I read a pretty good article about opening day this year. In Boston there are three major drinking holidays: St. Patty's Day, Patriot's Day (marathon Monday) and Opening day.

By moving the game to Sunday night (easter no less) they effectively took away 1/3 of our holidays.

I agree, there is something special about playing hookey from work to spend the day at the park. Instead, I'm going to stumble to the couch after cooking all day to catch the game.

Can't wait though.....

Play ball!


goldtop - 3/31/2010 at 02:19 AM

SF Giants


JohnS516 - 3/31/2010 at 02:49 AM

I am really looking forward to my Yankees as they defend their World Championship starting April 4 in Boston. Told my girlfriend and family I am leaving for the bar at 7:30 to catch the game with fellow Long Island Yankee fans. Can not wait

Go Yankees...

P L A Y B A L L


WharfRat - 3/31/2010 at 03:08 AM

Ah yes another Yankee fan

WELCOME


DanB - 3/31/2010 at 01:15 PM

quote:
Ah yes another Yankee fan

WELCOME


sick effers


WharfRat - 3/31/2010 at 01:17 PM

quote:
quote:
Ah yes another Yankee fan

WELCOME


World Series Chamsps



DanB - 3/31/2010 at 01:18 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Ah yes another Yankee fan

WELCOME


World Series Chamsps





wott's with the lisp

[Edited on 3/31/2010 by DanB]


WharfRat - 3/31/2010 at 01:19 PM

Since Opening Day is upon us, I will be viewing some time honored classics the next few days

Field Of Dreams
Bull Durham
Pride Of The Yankees
The Natural
When It Was A Game # 1,2 +3


What say you?


gondicar - 3/31/2010 at 01:22 PM





Bring. It. On.


WharfRat - 3/31/2010 at 01:25 PM

LMFAO!!!!!

Scott, I didnt realize we were in the same building


fanfrom-71 - 3/31/2010 at 01:34 PM

Tampa Bay 13 6 .684 -



WharfRat - 3/31/2010 at 01:35 PM

Did I ever mention how much I hate Evan Longoria?


gondicar - 3/31/2010 at 01:39 PM

quote:
Did I ever mention how much I hate Eva Longoria?





DanB - 3/31/2010 at 01:41 PM

quote:
quote:
Did I ever mention how much I hate Eva Longoria?







Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /staticblog/files/2009/01/eva-longoria.jpg on this server.


gondicar - 3/31/2010 at 01:45 PM

quote:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /staticblog/files/2009/01/eva-longoria.jpg on this server.


I see it fine

Google is your friend...you can pick your own.


WharfRat - 3/31/2010 at 01:55 PM

Oh, I have NO problem with Eva


fanfrom-71 - 3/31/2010 at 04:36 PM

quote:
Did I ever mention how much I hate Evan Longoria?
Well I must admit,when it comes to Longoria's,I do prefer this one!


BillyBlastoff - 4/2/2010 at 03:01 PM

quote:
Yeah, but we got a kick-a$$ ballpark...


The Twins have a new ballpark opening this week. I think I'll make trips to both KC and Minneapolis this Summer for a game or two.


gondicar - 4/2/2010 at 04:21 PM

It's that time of year, so let's have those predicitons. I'll start...

2010 MLB Season Predictions

NATIONAL LEAGUE
East Champs: Phillies
Central Champs: Cubs
West Champs: Rockies
Wildcard: Marlins
NLCS: Phillies over Rockies

AMERICAN LEAGUE
East Champs: Red Sox
Central Champs: Tigers
West Champs: Mariners
Wildcard: Rays
ALCS: Red Sox over Tigers

WORLD SERIES
Red Sox over Philles (in a 7-game classic)

NL Cy Young: Roy Halliday
NL MVP: Hanley Ramierez

AL Cy Young: John Lackey
AL MVP: BJ Upton

Yes, that's right...the Yankees will NOT make the playoffs (and no, I'm not biased...at all...no kidding).


bob1954 - 4/2/2010 at 08:05 PM

OK, here's my predictions:

2010 MLB Season Predictions

NATIONAL LEAGUE
East Champs: Braves
Central Champs: Cardinals
West Champs: Giants
Wildcard: Phillies
NLCS: Phillies over Giants

AMERICAN LEAGUE
East Champs: Rays
Central Champs: Tigers
West Champs: Mariners
Wildcard: Yankees
ALCS: Rays over Mariners

WORLD SERIES
Phillies over Rays
NL Cy Young: Roy Halliday
NL MVP: Chase Utley
AL Cy Young: Justin Verlander
AL MVP: BJ Upton


Stephen - 4/3/2010 at 12:48 AM

RIP Mike Cuellar
gosh he was a good pitcher -- a "junkballer" in every good sense of the word -- w/him, McNally, Pat Dobson, Palmer etc., the Orioles were top dogs in the late 60s-early 70s


becksbolero - 4/3/2010 at 01:02 AM

quote:
RIP Mike Cuellar
gosh he was a good pitcher -- a "junkballer" in every good sense of the word -- w/him, McNally, Pat Dobson, Palmer etc., the Orioles were top dogs in the late 60s-early 70s


that was a staff. r.i.p. miguel


goldtop - 4/3/2010 at 01:15 AM

SF Giants....


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 01:24 AM

Ok, I will play

2010 MLB Season Predictions

NATIONAL LEAGUE
East Champs: Phillies
Central Champs: Cardinals
West Champs: Dodgers
Wildcard: Braves
NLCS: Braves Over Phillies ( in a squeaker )

AMERICAN LEAGUE
East Champs: YANKS
Central Champs: Tigers
West Champs: Mariners
Wildcard: Indians ( assuming Carmona is back healthy, and Sizmore as well)
ALCS: Yanks over Tiggers

WORLD SERIES
Yanks over Braves
NL Cy Young: Roy Halliday
NL MVP: Albert Pujols
AL Cy Young: CC Sabathia
AL MVP: Evan Longoria

Sorry Redsox, you are just too old and broken down



WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 01:25 AM

Oh and 2 Days till OPENING DAY!!!

Er.. night


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 01:28 AM

And lets alos do something else..

Who do you guys think will be the most improved team?

I have to go with the Mets

Assuming they can manage to stay realitivly healthy, they have a loaded lineup, and one of ( if the THE) best pitcher in baseball.. rest of rotation is just a big ??????


annarose3 - 4/3/2010 at 02:22 AM

Ok, some of you have gotten predictions in so here are mine.

National League

West Division--Dodgers all the way
Central-The Cards are always a safe pick
East-Marlins----this is a veteran team ready to take off
Wild Card--Phils
MVP--Pujols is money in the bank
CY Young-Josh Johnson--Marlins
Most Improved team--Marlins


AL

West--Angels
East-Yanks
Central-Twins
Wildcard-Red Sox
Most improved team--Seattle
CY Young-Verlander
MVP-Arod
Batting champ-Mauer

Marlins over the Yanks for the title


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 02:49 AM

quote:
quote:
And lets alos do something else..

Who do you guys think will be the most improved team?

I have to go with the Mets

Assuming they can manage to stay realitivly healthy, they have a loaded lineup, and one of ( if the THE) best pitcher in baseball.. rest of rotation is just a big ??????




I thought the most improved team was Seattle. But now I hear that Lee will start on the DL. We'll see how that goes.


I was thinking of them too.. Chone Figgins is a hell of a catalyst..
Soooo happy he is out of Anahiem


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 02:56 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
And lets alos do something else..

Who do you guys think will be the most improved team?

I have to go with the Mets

Assuming they can manage to stay realitivly healthy, they have a loaded lineup, and one of ( if the THE) best pitcher in baseball.. rest of rotation is just a big ??????




I thought the most improved team was Seattle. But now I hear that Lee will start on the DL. We'll see how that goes.


I was thinking of them too.. Chone Figgins is a hell of a catalyst..
Soooo happy he is out of Anahiem


However, the Mariners also have Mr. Tranquility Milton Bradley.


Hence the reason I chose your Mets most improved..

As good as Lee and Figgins are..
Bradley is THAT bad of a problem, IMO


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 03:03 AM

Here is a link for pics of the Twins new ballpark.. Looks great!

Wouldnt wanna be there in April or October though

http://mlb.mlb.com/min/photogallery/year_2010/month_03/day_27/cf8971596.htm l


annarose3 - 4/3/2010 at 03:07 AM

It'll be interesting to see how the Twins adapt to their new park.

It's a team that was built to play in that dome...

They had a huge homefield advantage in the Metrodome.


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 03:11 AM

quote:
It'll be interesting to see how the Twins adapt to their new park.

It's a team that was built to play in that dome...

They had a huge homefield advantage in the Metrodome.


Yea, from what I could tell, that place was LOUD in the playoffs..

Though with Nathan out, I dont think they have to worry about that


alloak41 - 4/3/2010 at 03:18 AM

Opposing defenders won't miss that baseball-colored roof of the Metrodome.


annarose3 - 4/3/2010 at 03:18 AM

Although the crowd noise certainly was a factor in the 1987 and 1991 run, I think the advantage the team got was from the turf and the white roof. This is a team thats chopped a lot of doubles off of that plastic field.


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 03:24 AM

quote:
Although the crowd noise certainly was a factor in the 1987 and 1991 run, I think the advantage the team got was from the turf and the white roof. This is a team thats chopped a lot of doubles off of that plastic field.


Will be interesting how Mauer fares with the new park..

Damn good ballplayer but lets see how he fares playing in a real ballpark..


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 03:37 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Although the crowd noise certainly was a factor in the 1987 and 1991 run, I think the advantage the team got was from the turf and the white roof. This is a team thats chopped a lot of doubles off of that plastic field.


Will be interesting how Mauer fares with the new park..

Damn good ballplayer but lets see how he fares playing in a real ballpark..


I just checked. He hit .388 with 16 HR's at home, .345 with 12 HR's on the road. Yeah, he's toast.

[Edited on 4/3/2010 by Otie]


Yup.. toast


annarose3 - 4/3/2010 at 03:45 AM

I really think this is going to be the Marlins year.

This is a really talented team with some veteran talent and some great young players.

I really love their pitching and their depth.


StratDal - 4/3/2010 at 11:43 AM

Mrs. Strat is salivating! Me... if the players went on strike and the season got canceled, I wouldn't lose any sleep.

That being said, the best part will be the McCourts' divorce proceedings. As soon as the Dodgers lose three games in a row, everyone will blame the divorce. It will make for good theater!


sonnystang - 4/3/2010 at 11:50 AM

Go Rays then the Marlins.............

Florida baby......


Lee - 4/3/2010 at 12:54 PM

Rays have a really good team. Unfortunately, they are in the division with the two biggest spenders, but ya never know. Longoria is a potential HOFer.


Lee - 4/3/2010 at 01:01 PM

quote:
quote:
RIP Mike Cuellar
gosh he was a good pitcher -- a "junkballer" in every good sense of the word -- w/him, McNally, Pat Dobson, Palmer etc., the Orioles were top dogs in the late 60s-early 70s


that was a staff. r.i.p. miguel





That pitching staff is the answer to a trivia question. Name the last team to have four 20-game winners.

And when you talk about feats that will never be met or topped, that has to be one of them.


Lee - 4/3/2010 at 01:18 PM

Surprised some of you have picked my Tiggers in the A.L. Central. Unfortunately, The White Sux look good if they can hit. Their pitching staff is awesome.


bob1954 - 4/3/2010 at 01:30 PM

quote:
Surprised some of you have picked my Tiggers in the A.L. Central. Unfortunately, The White Sux look good if they can hit. Their pitching staff is awesome.

If everyone stays healthy the Tigers could have a great season. Potentially the strongest pitching staff in the AL, or not, depending on Willis, Bonderman, Robertson. Jackson and Sizemore are unproven but looked good in Spring. Ordonez should have a stronger season this year and Cabrera appears to have put his problems in the past. I think they have a very good chance to win the division.


Lee - 4/3/2010 at 01:41 PM

They traded Robertson, thank God. I don't think their rotation is all that great to be honest. After the top two, what do they have? You can't rely on Willis IMO but he did enough in spring training to make them think Robertson was expendable.


jazzman66 - 4/3/2010 at 01:49 PM

quote:
They traded Robertson, thank God.


Pitching looks awsome this year.




Lee - 4/3/2010 at 01:52 PM

quote:
quote:
They traded Robertson, thank God.


Pitching looks awsome this year.







I'm cautiously optomistic but Willis? Bonderman??


WharfRat - 4/3/2010 at 02:20 PM

With the Twinkies losing thier closer, that division is WIDE open..

I do like the Tribe though.

If Carmona can get back on track that is.

They have a ton of young talent.


Lee - 4/3/2010 at 03:24 PM

Hell the Indians are almost as bad as the Royals!



















Sorry Hawk!


goldtop - 4/3/2010 at 03:29 PM

SF Giants


becksbolero - 4/3/2010 at 10:25 PM

quote:
With the Twinkies losing thier closer, that division is WIDE open..

I do like the Tribe though.

If Carmona can get back on track that is.

They have a ton of young talent.


carmona is pitching great this spring. it remains to be seen if it'll carry through into the season. i wouldn't put my hopes on them doing much this year. when the ace of your staff (westbrook) hasn't thrown in a major league game in almost 2 years it's hard to get your hopes up.


Iwonderwho - 4/4/2010 at 01:03 AM

quote:
Since Opening Day is upon us, I will be viewing some time honored classics the next few days

Field Of Dreams
Bull Durham
Pride Of The Yankees
The Natural
When It Was A Game # 1,2 +3


What say you?


I love Pride of the Yankees! I'd also add Major League, Eight Men Out and The Rookie. Just for fun, and my kids, Rookie of the Year and Angels in the Outfield.

As for Opening Day, weather looks absolutely spectacular for the Braves opener against the Cubs. Me and the family will be in right center, the perfect place for rookie sensation Jason Heyward to hit his first home run!


WharfRat - 4/4/2010 at 10:47 AM

PLAY BALL!

Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come.


annarose3 - 4/4/2010 at 02:31 PM

Damn, I am so excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baseball is back and all is good again!


dougrhon - 4/4/2010 at 03:36 PM

The Yankees have a tremendous amount of starting pitching. There season as always will ride on the effectiveness of Mariano Rivera and how effective Chamberlain can be in 8th inning relief. I believe the Yankees will at some point miss Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui fortheir clutch hitting. That kind of thing is hard to replace. Robby Cano better learn to start having better at bats in key situations. Curtis Granderson could easily hit 40 home runs this year.


WharfRat - 4/4/2010 at 09:47 PM

quote:
I wonder if Posada will ever be an everyday catcher again?


I see this winding down.. But I think he will have a hard time accepting that, and that could be a problem. Cervelli is a very good defensive catcher. If he can start hitting consistantly, this could push the issue with Jorge going into 2011.

And if Vazquez can pitch like he did last year, I think the Yanks have the better roation.. Problem is, I dont think he will.


SpyNet - 4/4/2010 at 10:09 PM

quote:
quote:
The Yankees have a tremendous amount of starting pitching. There season as always will ride on the effectiveness of Mariano Rivera and how effective Chamberlain can be in 8th inning relief. I believe the Yankees will at some point miss Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui fortheir clutch hitting. That kind of thing is hard to replace. Robby Cano better learn to start having better at bats in key situations. Curtis Granderson could easily hit 40 home runs this year.


I like the Yankees except for one thing. With Swisher and Granderson in the lineup, they have 2 high homer low BA guys. That was what the Red Sox used to do back in the 70's and 80's. It seldom worked out. One other thing, I wonder if Posada will ever be an everyday catcher again? His fragility over the past few years has me believing he would be better off at DH.

I'm not as sold on the Yankees starting pitching as you are. Right now, I believe Boston's is better.

I too believe boston's starting 5 is better, but I think the Yankees are better across the 25 man roster.
Joe thinks Posada can catch 120 games this year.
Swisher had an on OBP of around 400 all year, and got big hits when it counted from the games I caught. Finally got DirectTV!
Breakout year for Cano...Don't ya know!
I'm thinking Yankees/Cardinals in the WS


Lee - 4/5/2010 at 09:39 AM

quote:

I'm thinking Yankees/Cardinals in the WS




That would be cool from a historical perspective, the two teams with the most titles. Last time they played in the WS was in 1964.


gondicar - 4/5/2010 at 03:00 PM

Fun game 1, with the right result.

Can you imagine if all 162 were like that?? I don't know if I could take it...


annarose3 - 4/5/2010 at 10:24 PM

The boys of summer are back folks and it feels so good, doesn't it?

Tigers are kicking the Royal's arse.


Sang - 4/5/2010 at 11:40 PM

Perfect opening day - Cards win, Sox win, Cubs get blown out........


bob1954 - 4/6/2010 at 12:10 AM

quote:
The boys of summer are back folks and it feels so good, doesn't it?

Tigers are kicking the Royal's arse.

Once we got the Royals to go to their bullpen it was all over. Zumaya looked good. He only threw 12 pitches, but 10 of them were for strikes and 7 of them over 100mph! Wow!


annarose3 - 4/6/2010 at 12:29 AM

quote:
Perfect opening day - Cards win, Sox win, Cubs get blown out........


Are you a fan of the Sox?

I went to Chicago last year to see a Sox/Tigers game and had a great time.

Good crowd, nice stadium and great authentic Chicago dogs at a place about two blocks away.

This was last June, and verlander shut them down. I was right behind home plate, and the locals were shocked to see him throwing over a 100 in the 9th.


alloak41 - 4/6/2010 at 01:04 AM

Jason Heyward hit a 3-run bomb first swing of his first major league at-bat in Atlanta today.


Bhawk - 4/6/2010 at 01:10 PM

Royals lose, of course. 161 to go.


dougrhon - 4/6/2010 at 07:25 PM

quote:
quote:
I wonder if Posada will ever be an everyday catcher again?


I see this winding down.. But I think he will have a hard time accepting that, and that could be a problem. Cervelli is a very good defensive catcher. If he can start hitting consistantly, this could push the issue with Jorge going into 2011.

And if Vazquez can pitch like he did last year, I think the Yanks have the better roation.. Problem is, I dont think he will.


I think he will. The Yanks are going to get many many quality starts out of this rotation. The key is going to be how the bullpen holds up. And how clutch Granderson turns out to be since he is replacing two very clutch hitters.


WharfRat - 4/6/2010 at 07:47 PM

I still have nightmares about Vasquez's 04 season here.. and subsequent meltdown agains Boston.
Not sold on Granderson either.
And I think this is the year Hughes finally lives up to his promise.


alloak41 - 4/7/2010 at 03:44 PM

I like what's going on in MLB right now. There seems to be a healthy turnover of players, moving toward younger ones. Seems like most of the teams have new, exciting young players coming into the fold. Lots of good young talent..As a result, about half the teams have a chance to make the post season. Could be some surprises.


SpyNet - 4/7/2010 at 04:01 PM

quote:
I still have nightmares about Vasquez's 04 season here.. and subsequent meltdown agains Boston.
Not sold on Granderson either.
And I think this is the year Hughes finally lives up to his promise.



From what we hear now, Vasquez was hurt the second half of '04. I'm not making excuses for him, but i like the fact he WANTED to come back here for a chance at redemption. Show's he has Balls. Cashman Never wanted to trade him anyway...that was a Steingrabber move.
That was a hard hit Granderson got of Lester and hung in there well. Considering hitting lefties is his only flaw, that was a good sign.
I love that I can now see all the Yankee games on Direct TV, as well as other teams like my Cardinals, who are primed and ready to run away and hide in that division.
Yankees are so deep in catching throughout their system, Posada winding down will not be much of an issue.


WharfRat - 4/8/2010 at 01:08 AM

quote:
Yankees are so deep in catching throughout their system, Posada winding down will not be much of an issue.


agreed. I like Cervelli alot, and hope he is the starter next season - with Jorge as full time DH.
They do have a few other prospects as well.


alloak41 - 4/8/2010 at 05:20 AM



Undefeated and tied for 1st Place


Lee - 4/8/2010 at 11:34 AM

Article in this morning's Chicago Tribune says the Cubs have the highest average ticket price in baseball, just edging out Boston and the Yanks.


gondicar - 4/8/2010 at 04:09 PM

quote:
Big Papi goes hitless in his first 2 games and when asked about it, he has a meltdown. I think the pressure is on, especially with Lowell sitting on the bench.


The pressue is definitely on (but really, when isn't there pressure in Boston?). I do think he has a point though when the questions start coming after 1 or 2 games. Worth noting that his average at the moment is still nearly a hundred points higher than Mark Texiera (.000).


Gregallmanfan - 4/8/2010 at 05:03 PM

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I wonder if Posada will ever be an everyday catcher again?


I see this winding down.. But I think he will have a hard time accepting that, and that could be a problem. Cervelli is a very good defensive catcher. If he can start hitting consistantly, this could push the issue with Jorge going into 2011.

And if Vazquez can pitch like he did last year, I think the Yanks have the better roation.. Problem is, I dont think he will.


I think he will. The Yanks are going to get many many quality starts out of this rotation. The key is going to be how the bullpen holds up. And how clutch Granderson turns out to be since he is replacing two very clutch hitters.


so far, so good!!


bob1954 - 4/8/2010 at 05:34 PM

My kharma must be good! I was just taking a walk and ran into the owner of the local watering hole where I'm a regular. He handed me two box seat tickets to tomorrow's Tigers home opener...said he couldn't use them and knew I'd appreciate them. Opening day tickets are like gold in Detroit. It's gonna be a great day!


Lee - 4/8/2010 at 06:12 PM

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My kharma must be good! I was just taking a walk and ran into the owner of the local watering hole where I'm a regular. He handed me two box seat tickets to tomorrow's Tigers home opener...said he couldn't use them and knew I'd appreciate them. Opening day tickets are like gold in Detroit. It's gonna be a great day!



Awesome Bob! Hope the weather is good. Froze my tushie off at a few opening days at Tiger Stadium.


What bar do you frequent?


bob1954 - 4/8/2010 at 06:17 PM

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quote:
My kharma must be good! I was just taking a walk and ran into the owner of the local watering hole where I'm a regular. He handed me two box seat tickets to tomorrow's Tigers home opener...said he couldn't use them and knew I'd appreciate them. Opening day tickets are like gold in Detroit. It's gonna be a great day!



Awesome Bob! Hope the weather is good. Froze my tushie off at a few opening days at Tiger Stadium.


What bar do you frequent?

The Red Dog Saloon in Milford. I moved away about 6 months ago, but just happen to be back in town for a few weeks.

Yeah, I've sat in blizzards in Tiger Stadium. I went to Opening Day every year from 1980-1994, then never went again until last year. Didn't expect to go this year. The forecast is 49 degrees and partly cloudy.


Sang - 4/8/2010 at 06:21 PM

quote:


What bar do you frequent?



Any one that is open........


Lee - 4/8/2010 at 08:03 PM

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My kharma must be good! I was just taking a walk and ran into the owner of the local watering hole where I'm a regular. He handed me two box seat tickets to tomorrow's Tigers home opener...said he couldn't use them and knew I'd appreciate them. Opening day tickets are like gold in Detroit. It's gonna be a great day!



Awesome Bob! Hope the weather is good. Froze my tushie off at a few opening days at Tiger Stadium.


What bar do you frequent?

The Red Dog Saloon in Milford. I moved away about 6 months ago, but just happen to be back in town for a few weeks.

Yeah, I've sat in blizzards in Tiger Stadium. I went to Opening Day every year from 1980-1994, then never went again until last year. Didn't expect to go this year. The forecast is 49 degrees and partly cloudy.


Aah, thought you meant downtown. There's a place called The Elwood, it's behind center field right between Comerica and Ford Field. On Opening Day they rent out the parking garage next to it to sell beer. It's nuts.

Anyway, my brother owns a commercial construction company downtown and The Elwood used to be a stones throw away, closer to Tiger Stadium. When the Tigers moved into Comerica, the guy that's owns the bar wanted it moved next to Comerica so they picked up the whole bar and moved it. Cool place. Looks like an old 50s diner.

He moved a small theater for this guy too. Pretty wild.


bob1954 - 4/8/2010 at 08:21 PM

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quote:
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My kharma must be good! I was just taking a walk and ran into the owner of the local watering hole where I'm a regular. He handed me two box seat tickets to tomorrow's Tigers home opener...said he couldn't use them and knew I'd appreciate them. Opening day tickets are like gold in Detroit. It's gonna be a great day!



Awesome Bob! Hope the weather is good. Froze my tushie off at a few opening days at Tiger Stadium.


What bar do you frequent?

The Red Dog Saloon in Milford. I moved away about 6 months ago, but just happen to be back in town for a few weeks.

Yeah, I've sat in blizzards in Tiger Stadium. I went to Opening Day every year from 1980-1994, then never went again until last year. Didn't expect to go this year. The forecast is 49 degrees and partly cloudy.


Aah, thought you meant downtown. There's a place called The Elwood, it's behind center field right between Comerica and Ford Field. On Opening Day they rent out the parking garage next to it to sell beer. It's nuts.

Anyway, my brother owns a commercial construction company downtown and The Elwood used to be a stones throw away, closer to Tiger Stadium. When the Tigers moved into Comerica, the guy that's owns the bar wanted it moved next to Comerica so they picked up the whole bar and moved it. Cool place. Looks like an old 50s diner.

He moved a small theater for this guy too. Pretty wild.

I always hang at the Elwood before games. It's a great place. They had to move it because it used to sit where right field is now.


alloak41 - 4/10/2010 at 02:49 PM

Way, way too early to hit the panic button but Houston we have a problem. 0-4, with 6 runs scored. Team batting average .204 with 0 HR's. Team ERA 6.25, and a .361 opposing batting average. They have not been ahead at any point of the four games.

Getting off to poor starts has been their history going way back, but this is ridiculous. For whatever reason, they're never ready to play when the season gets started.


Bhawk - 4/10/2010 at 03:09 PM

Royals beat Boston. That's...something...


alloak41 - 4/10/2010 at 03:28 PM

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Royals beat Boston. That's...something...


They had a nice win on Wednesday night as well, 3-2(11). Hochevar blanked the Tigers for 7 2/3.


WharfRat - 4/11/2010 at 12:52 AM

CC came thisclose to a No-No today

Didnt start watching till the 7th inning, but of course those jackasses McCarver and Buck were gabbering on about a No hitter...I found myself yelling at the car radio to SHUT THE **** UP!!!

I think the people driving next to me though I was weird


WharfRat - 4/11/2010 at 12:52 AM

And no comments from the peanut gallery


WharfRat - 4/11/2010 at 01:01 AM

Just one of them "unwriten rules"

But yea, when I saw the replays, he looked totally exhusted.. Way too early to be throwing the amount of pitches he has so far.


Gregallmanfan - 4/11/2010 at 02:22 AM

Terrible spot for the manager....Girardi is probably praying he gives up a hit before he blows his elbow out. Or, he has to take him out because he's out of gas? Talk about a lose/lose....


WharfRat - 4/11/2010 at 03:09 AM

Agreed.

Otie - I bet you were happy to have Reyes back today. Hopefully he gives that team a much needed spark. Looks like Beltran is coming along as well.


WharfRat - 4/11/2010 at 03:51 AM

Yea.. that whole thing was weird..


annarose3 - 4/11/2010 at 05:53 AM

The season sure is off to a great start.

My Tigers are doing well, their pitching has bee top notch and that drunk Cabrera seems to have turned it around.

Ordonez has been on fire since about last June.


bob1954 - 4/11/2010 at 01:57 PM

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The season sure is off to a great start.

My Tigers are doing well, their pitching has bee top notch and that drunk Cabrera seems to have turned it around.

Ordonez has been on fire since about last June.

Cabrera and Ordonez are on fire. Jackson and looks great. Inge: so far so good. Damon will heat up. Pitching has been great so far. Looks like they may be the real deal.


DanB - 4/11/2010 at 02:01 PM

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Whoever heard of missing 3 months with a bone bruise?


Sir have you met Chipper Jones? Oh wait that was a hang nail, runny nose, ingrown hair or something serious.


Lee - 4/11/2010 at 02:40 PM

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Whoever heard of missing 3 months with a bone bruise?


Sir have you met Chipper Jones? Oh wait that was a hang nail, runny nose, ingrown hair or something serious.



I think the guy is a total ass but you hafta admit, he's one of the best switch hitters of all time.


DanB - 4/11/2010 at 02:43 PM

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Whoever heard of missing 3 months with a bone bruise?


Sir have you met Chipper Jones? Oh wait that was a hang nail, runny nose, ingrown hair or something serious.



I think the guy is a total ass but you hafta admit, he's one of the best switch hitters of all time.


true but he'll miss a game at the slightest discomfort

he actually missed a spring training game over an ingrown toenail


Gregallmanfan - 4/12/2010 at 12:18 AM

Good start for NYY. Two 3 game road series, two wins in each against Bos and TB. Couldn't ask to open up better than that.


annarose3 - 4/12/2010 at 04:26 AM

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The season sure is off to a great start.

My Tigers are doing well, their pitching has bee top notch and that drunk Cabrera seems to have turned it around.

Ordonez has been on fire since about last June.

Cabrera and Ordonez are on fire. Jackson and looks great. Inge: so far so good. Damon will heat up. Pitching has been great so far. Looks like they may be the real deal.


They were down by seven but came back to win today in the ninth on a wild pitch.


mbtogo4 - 4/12/2010 at 04:43 AM

PHILLIES ....ALL THE WAY.
Maybe they will show up for the world series this year.


annarose3 - 4/12/2010 at 05:00 AM

The Phillies showed up pretty darn good the last two years, if I recall.

Palanco has been a great addition.


WharfRat - 4/12/2010 at 09:04 AM

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Good start for NYY. Two 3 game road series, two wins in each against Bos and TB. Couldn't ask to open up better than that.


Agreed!

Vazquez is still the assclown that I thought he would be though


Lee - 4/12/2010 at 11:11 AM

From yesterday's Tiggers / Indians game:

Tiggers left 18 runners on base, Indians 3.

And the Tiggers won.


bob1954 - 4/12/2010 at 12:09 PM

quote:
From yesterday's Tiggers / Indians game:

Tiggers left 18 runners on base, Indians 3.

And the Tiggers won.

It was a crazy game. Walked in the tying run, allowed the winning run on a wild pitch. But a win is a win.

Going to the game today. It's gonna be in the low '60's and sunny. Froze my ass of on Friday so this is going to be really nice.


goldtop - 4/12/2010 at 02:20 PM

SF Giants 5 -1


DanB - 4/13/2010 at 12:31 AM

14-0 after 5 in SD

Go Braves!!!! straight to hell


WharfRat - 4/13/2010 at 12:33 AM

quote:
Target Field in Minneapolis looks like a really nice ballpark. They put a lot of the state into it, like some walls made of Minnesota limestone.


I was just going to say the same.
Love the retro uniforms as well.

Should get interesting there in October though


WharfRat - 4/13/2010 at 12:33 AM

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14-0 after 5 in SD

Go Braves!!!! straight to hell


Dang!

Did Vazquez get traded back there and I missed it somehow?


DanB - 4/13/2010 at 12:39 AM

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14-0 after 5 in SD

Go Braves!!!! straight to hell


Dang!

Did Vazquez get traded back there and I missed it somehow?


let's redo the trade as Melky is 3 for 30


WharfRat - 4/13/2010 at 12:42 AM

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14-0 after 5 in SD

Go Braves!!!! straight to hell


Dang!

Did Vazquez get traded back there and I missed it somehow?


let's redo the trade as Melky is 3 for 30


He will snap out of it...I think.

BTW, Javy let up 1,021,215,023 runs his first start


WharfRat - 4/13/2010 at 12:45 AM

No.


DanB - 4/13/2010 at 01:29 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqVfKJwQ63I


WharfRat - 4/13/2010 at 02:26 AM

quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqVfKJwQ63I


LMAO


funkyfitter - 4/13/2010 at 02:31 AM

Go PHILLIES !!!!!!


Lee - 4/13/2010 at 04:21 AM

Wharfie is a die-hard Yankees fan but he hates seemingly all of their players. I don't get it.


annarose3 - 4/13/2010 at 10:33 AM

I just moved to Anchorage, Alaska this week from Detroit, Mi.

One thing I'm really looking forward to is the start time for MLB games here.

Today's Tigers game will start at 9AM for me.

What use to be night games will now be 3PM games!!


bob1954 - 4/13/2010 at 11:37 AM

quote:
I just moved to Anchorage, Alaska this week from Detroit, Mi.

One thing I'm really looking forward to is the start time for MLB games here.

Today's Tigers game will start at 9AM for me.

What use to be night games will now be 3PM games!!

Well they still start at 1:00 and 7:00 for me. Let me know who wins and maybe I can place my bets before gametime.

Good luck in Anchorage!


WharfRat - 4/13/2010 at 12:24 PM

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Wharfie is a die-hard Yankees fan but he hates seemingly all of their players. I don't get it.


No, just the assclowns


Sang - 4/13/2010 at 01:12 PM

So, that would be the whole team, right?


piacere - 4/13/2010 at 02:04 PM

quote:
I just moved to Anchorage, Alaska this week from Detroit, Mi.

One thing I'm really looking forward to is the start time for MLB games here.

Today's Tigers game will start at 9AM for me.

What use to be night games will now be 3PM games!!


I lived in Hawaii for a while.

NFL games started at 7 a.m.

best wishes in Alaska. I might be going there in June with my church..

sorry...back on topic.

GO BoSox !!!!!!!!


piacere - 4/13/2010 at 03:21 PM

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How long before Papi is on the bench and Lowell is the DH?


at this rate...not long.


alloak41 - 4/13/2010 at 03:37 PM

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How long before Papi is on the bench and Lowell is the DH?


at this rate...not long.


Grab some wood there, bub.


WharfRat - 4/13/2010 at 07:52 PM

Great opening day in the Bronx

HUGE ovation for Matsui.. good to see!

And Pettitte pitches a gem for the icing on the cake


fensranger - 4/13/2010 at 08:00 PM

Go Yanks!!!!


bob1954 - 4/13/2010 at 08:09 PM

Tigers score 6 runs in the 7th to beat the Royal 6-5. Not a pretty game, but we'll take a win over KC any way we can get it. They always give us fits.


goldtop - 4/14/2010 at 12:01 AM

SF Giants 6-1 Matt Cain on the mound tonight


DanB - 4/14/2010 at 12:50 AM

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Wharfie is a die-hard Yankees fan but he hates seemingly all of their players. I don't get it.


No, just the assclowns


He loves Matsui


gondicar - 4/14/2010 at 10:59 PM


alloak41 - 4/15/2010 at 04:39 AM

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Wharfie is a die-hard Yankees fan but he hates seemingly all of their players. I don't get it.


No, just the assclowns


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rduDWbxZxJc&feature=channel


Bhawk - 4/15/2010 at 01:41 PM

After 9 whole games, the Royals are third in the AL in batting average and Scott Podsednik leads the AL in batting average at .457.

I know it's early.


Lee - 4/15/2010 at 10:59 PM

But how many games have the Astros won?


alloak41 - 4/16/2010 at 01:48 AM

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But how many games have the Astros won?


They beat the Cards today 5-1 making them 1-8! Things will probably end up about like normal. They'll get hot around mid-season or the second half and pull to within a handful of games, then wind up going home in October wondering why they can't win in April.


gondicar - 4/17/2010 at 03:53 AM

Mind blowing stat of the night (ok, not really) -- Cliff Lee after 3 starts with the Phillies: 3-0, 1.13 ERA. Roy Halladay: 3-0, 1.13 ERA.


SpyNet - 4/17/2010 at 01:09 PM

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Mind blowing stat of the night (ok, not really) -- Cliff Lee after 3 starts with the Phillies: 3-0, 1.13 ERA. Roy Halladay: 3-0, 1.13 ERA.


2 monster pitchers, but National League lineups plus the fact the hitters are not too familar with these guys have a lot to do with those stats.
Impressive none the less!
As good a 1-2 punch as you can have. Matter of fact, more than a few NL teams have a great 1-2 punch these days in their rotations. Geeze, if the Giants ever got any hitting...watch out!


SpyNet - 4/17/2010 at 01:15 PM

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http://www.thebrushback.com/speed_full.htm

MLB Lifts Ban On Amphetamines In Effort To Speed Up Games


April 13 , 2010
NEW YORK--As part of an aggressive push to try and speed up the pace of Major League Baseball games, commissioner Bud Selig announced today that the league would reverse its ban on amphetamine use. Selig hopes the reversal will give players a jolt of energy that will help them move faster on the field.

“Obviously the ban on amphetamines has had a detrimental effect on the pace of games,” Selig told reporters today. “In the old days, when players wereall tweaked out and jittery, the games were played much faster. Now everything has slowed down. That’s why we’re turning back the clock and letting players take speed in the hopes that they’ll have too much manic, weird energy to fart around in the batter’s box all day.”

Selig said the idea for the new initiative came from the players themselves.

“Since the topic of game pace has come up recently, I’ve had numerous comments from players recommending that I lift the ban on amphetamines,” said Selig. “There seems to be a consensus that eliminating greenies, a decades-old baseball tradition, has contributed to slowing down of the game. It does make sense. I took speed once in college and was bouncing off the walls. It took six ‘ludes to calm me down.”

The reversal of the ban will be put into effect immediately. Jars of greenies are already appearing in clubhouses around baseball as the players rejoice about a return to the good old days.

“This is a return to old-time baseball, the baseball that guys like Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, and Pete Rose played,” said Red Sox first baseman Kevin Youkilis. “Yea! This kicks ASS! It’s the greatest frigging thing to happen to the league in years! It’s going to…to…okay, I have to catch my breath a little. I have to calm down. As you can see I’ve already taken a handful. What time are we playing?”

Umpire Joe West, who inadvertently spurred the change by criticizing the Red Sox and Yankees’ slow pace last week, approves of the new measure. However, he still has some criticism for the league office.

“I think it’s the right decision,” said West. “I just don’t know why they didn’t make it sooner. The second they banned greenies, the pace of play slowed down considerably. It was obviously a problem. It was hurting the game. Yet Selig largely turned his back on the problem and let it fester. I have to believe that allowing this to happen on his watch will tarnish his legacy.”


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I thought this was a joke at first
Reminds me of the movie Bye Bye Birdie when they gave speed to the orchestra leader to speed up his band so Birdie can sing on the Ed Sullivan show.


I don't know why that came to mind first, could it be my obsession with Ann Margaret from those days?!!


alloak41 - 4/17/2010 at 02:15 PM

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Geeze, if the Giants ever got any hitting...watch out!


It's early but the Giants are hitting .291 as a team, with five of the regulars hitting over .300.


Lee - 4/17/2010 at 02:34 PM

quote:
Mind blowing stat of the night (ok, not really) -- Cliff Lee after 3 starts with the Phillies: 3-0, 1.13 ERA. Roy Halladay: 3-0, 1.13 ERA.



That actually is a pretty interesting stat. Phils shoulda kept Cliff Lee.


Lee - 4/17/2010 at 03:52 PM

Understood. But if you have a chance to win it now, I say go for it.


leafsfan - 4/17/2010 at 05:53 PM

This is cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DhuWRcd9FI


alloak41 - 4/18/2010 at 01:23 AM

The Rockies Ubaldo Jimenez is no-hitting the Braves through seven, and leading 4-0. Dexter Fowler just made an unbelievable catch in CF to preserve the no-hit bid. Six more to go. Might want to flip over if you get the Braves games.


alloak41 - 4/18/2010 at 01:35 AM

He's walked six so he's at 120 pitches, and was hitting 99 MPH in the 8th. Funny thing is Jimenez walked the six men out of the windup, then started pitching out of the stretch in the fifth and hasn't allowed a runner since. I don't remember seeing a pitcher do that before.

Three more to go.


alloak41 - 4/18/2010 at 01:43 AM

Wow, he got it. First no-hitter in Rockies history!


annarose3 - 4/18/2010 at 01:55 AM

Wow---Cards and Mets are tied at 0 to 0 in the 17th.


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 02:26 AM

Top of the 19th....zeros for each team. What a game!


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 02:32 AM

1 - 0 Mets...top o the 19th...2 outs


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 02:35 AM

Bottom of the 19th now. Mets up 1 - 0...


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 02:43 AM

Not that anyone really cares, but WTF was St. Lewy thinking....guy leads of the bottom of the 19th with a walk. Pujols up to bat. Guy on first gets caught stealing. Next pitch, Pujols doubles to deep center...would of scored a run easily...


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 02:47 AM

Single ties the game...still two outs.

Clutch hit by Molina...

[Edited on 4/18/2010 by Sandman]


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 02:51 AM

Top of the 20th....


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 02:57 AM

Bottom of the 20th. Mets 2 - 1


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 03:03 AM

Not looking good for the home team...Cards down to the last out.

[Edited on 4/18/2010 by Sandman]


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 03:08 AM

Mets win!

Nice game Otie. Took ya 20 innings, but still


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 03:22 AM

I love those kind of games, too.

2 to 1 in 20 innings. I was watching it online and told the Razor Gal what the score was and she said: "how boring."

I think it's just the opposite...couldn't be more exciting!


Sandman - 4/18/2010 at 03:31 AM

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I agree. One mistake can cost the game. God knows, the Mets have been making a lot of mistakes so far.


I think that dude trying to steal second in the bottom of the 19th with Pujols up cost St. Lewy...


Lee - 4/18/2010 at 10:55 AM

I was watching the game on FOX with some buds at a local watering hole. We're all watching the game intently and precisely at 6:00 PM they changed over to......























....Seinfeld.


DanB - 4/18/2010 at 03:33 PM

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I agree. One mistake can cost the game. God knows, the Mets have been making a lot of mistakes so far.


I think that dude trying to steal second in the bottom of the 19th with Pujols up cost St. Lewy...



I was thinking about this some more because I wondered if LaRussa sent him. It was a no win situation. If he steals the base, the Mets walk Pujols. I'd rather have Pujols hitting with a guy on first than Holliday hitting with a guy on second.


that was odd as it all but took the bat out of Pujols' hands


alloak41 - 4/18/2010 at 03:34 PM

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quote:
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I agree. One mistake can cost the game. God knows, the Mets have been making a lot of mistakes so far.


I think that dude trying to steal second in the bottom of the 19th with Pujols up cost St. Lewy...



I was thinking about this some more because I wondered if LaRussa sent him. It was a no win situation. If he steals the base, the Mets walk Pujols. I'd rather have Pujols hitting with a guy on first than Holliday hitting with a guy on second.


That's a great point, Otie. The only mistake the runner made was getting caught.


DanB - 4/18/2010 at 03:34 PM

BTW the Braves really wasted money in signing Troy Glaus


Lee - 4/18/2010 at 03:42 PM

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BTW the Braves really wasted money in signing Troy Glaus



Agreed. They were smart enough to let Andruw Jones go but Glaus was a bad decision.


goldtop - 4/18/2010 at 05:33 PM

SF Giants 8-3 They beat the Dodgers on their own turf 9-0 yesterday


Lee - 4/18/2010 at 05:37 PM

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SF Giants 8-3 They beat the Dodgers on their own turf 9-0 yesterday



Did you watch Sportscenter this morning? They were talking about Lincecumm's hitting.

Great bunt he laid down!


goldtop - 4/18/2010 at 06:45 PM

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SF Giants 8-3 They beat the Dodgers on their own turf 9-0 yesterday



Did you watch Sportscenter this morning? They were talking about Lincecumm's hitting.

Great bunt he laid down!


He went 3 for 4 with 3 RBI's.


No but I did see the butt single and the single to right field last night on the local news


alloak41 - 4/18/2010 at 06:48 PM


He's fun to watch. A very special athlete.


SmilingJack - 4/18/2010 at 08:25 PM

Watched the end of the Rockies no-no yesterday. That was exciting.


jpfudd5 - 4/19/2010 at 10:51 AM

Jason Heyward comes through again yesterday.... any Braves fans out there?? This kid is legit.


alloak41 - 4/19/2010 at 02:00 PM

quote:
Jason Heyward comes through again yesterday.... any Braves fans out there?? This kid is legit.


If I'm playing first and he comes up with the bases empty, I'm probably playing real DEEP.


piacere - 4/20/2010 at 12:14 AM

right now...we stink.


DanB - 4/20/2010 at 12:17 AM

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Jason Heyward comes through again yesterday.... any Braves fans out there?? This kid is legit.


If I'm playing first and he comes up with the bases empty, I'm probably playing real DEEP.


I love the Braves as does my son Cameron and Heyward could be a monster of a player.


WharfRat - 4/20/2010 at 02:37 AM

quote:
right now...we stink.


We dont


jpfudd5 - 4/20/2010 at 04:52 AM

Hi there Chuck!



Screw the Yankees


WharfRat - 4/20/2010 at 11:42 PM

Dont be a hater


fanfrom-71 - 4/21/2010 at 12:49 AM

Um............................
























GO





Stephen - 4/21/2010 at 02:09 AM

Nine steals in five innings

with Jason Varitek sitting on the bench -- yes Wake's knuckler is easy to steal on but it was never like this -- we're dead last in catching runners stealing -- Victor Martinez is a good player but even his three hits tonite don't make up for that -- Get Varitek Back In There, Please -- they never ran wild on Wake like this when Mirabelli was around

Tito, rectify please -- & while you're at it, start platooning Lowell w/Big Papi -- I love Big Papi, but we're headed for the cellar & Something's Gotta Be Done


WharfRat - 4/21/2010 at 02:18 AM

Pushing the panic button in Beantown already?


DanB - 4/21/2010 at 02:36 AM

great ending to the Braves game


WharfRat - 4/21/2010 at 04:21 AM

Javy Vazquez = assclown


jpfudd5 - 4/21/2010 at 04:28 AM

Just wow. Jason Heyward might contend for the MVP this year. I have done my best to remember that the kid is 20 years old and not expect too much, but he is already the best player on his team. :chop:


michaelsio - 4/21/2010 at 07:32 PM

quote:
great ending to the Braves game


Send your best relievers to the Phillies.


DanB - 4/21/2010 at 07:58 PM

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quote:
great ending to the Braves game


Send your best relievers to the Phillies.


you have Brad LongBall Lidge


michaelsio - 4/21/2010 at 08:30 PM

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quote:
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great ending to the Braves game


Send your best relievers to the Phillies.


you have Brad LongBall Lidge


And don't you think I wasn't wishing he was on the mound last nite.


Lee - 4/21/2010 at 10:35 PM

Cubs just announced that Carlos Zambrano is being taken from the rotation and sent to the bullpen. Little early to press the panic button. He hasn't pitched that bad and he hasn't pitched out of the bullpen in forever. Wow, this is surprising!


Lee - 4/21/2010 at 11:04 PM

quote:
quote:
Cubs just announced that Carlos Zambrano is being taken from the rotation and sent to the bullpen. Little early to press the panic button. He hasn't pitched that bad and he hasn't pitched out of the bullpen in forever. Wow, this is surprising!


I think this is a bit of an attitude problem.



Like they didn't already know this though?


Stephen - 4/22/2010 at 02:34 AM

quote:
quote:
Nine steals in five innings

with Jason Varitek sitting on the bench -- yes Wake's knuckler is easy to steal on but it was never like this -- we're dead last in catching runners stealing -- Victor Martinez is a good player but even his three hits tonite don't make up for that -- Get Varitek Back In There, Please -- they never ran wild on Wake like this when Mirabelli was around

Tito, rectify please -- & while you're at it, start platooning Lowell w/Big Papi -- I love Big Papi, but we're headed for the cellar & Something's Gotta Be Done


Varitek threw out less than 20% of the base stealers last year, and that was catching fastball pitchers. Thinking Varitek would catch more base stealers is a pipe dream. Besides, he can't catch a knuckleball.


You can break out all the numbers/percentages you want
Sox fans know that no team has ever come close to nine steals in five innings off Varitek -- so, put that in your pipe & dream on -- I would be an improvement over nine steals in five innings -- but yeah, let's just leave Martinez in there

go Sox, 7-7, bottom 11th
& go Broonz -- this win would be large


annarose3 - 4/22/2010 at 02:43 AM

Hey--watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yod2r5YtxY


alloak41 - 4/22/2010 at 02:56 AM

quote:
Cubs just announced that Carlos Zambrano is being taken from the rotation and sent to the bullpen. Little early to press the panic button. He hasn't pitched that bad and he hasn't pitched out of the bullpen in forever. Wow, this is surprising!


The Cubs are a mess.


Crosscut3 - 4/22/2010 at 12:49 PM

quote:
Pushing the panic button in Beantown already?


Not yet, We have Darnell Mcdonald to save us!!

I was quite depressed when, in a tie game in the eighth inning Don Orsillo says "this is the guy you want up now" when Mcdonald came to the plate.

At least we have great pitching?


Crosscut3 - 4/22/2010 at 12:54 PM

I agree with Otie on Varitek, He would not be much more successful at throwing out runners. The drop off in offense would not be compensated for by the miniscule uptick in SB prevention.


WharfRat - 4/22/2010 at 01:41 PM



PHENOM


Stephen - 4/22/2010 at 02:34 PM

quote:
I agree with Otie on Varitek, He would not be much more successful at throwing out runners. The drop off in offense would not be compensated for by the miniscule uptick in SB prevention.


Yes, Varitek's "dropoff in offense" has been totally in evidence as everyone has seen in his limited appearances this year -- that's why he wasn't brought in in last night's game, and if he had, it's not like he would've gotten a hit or anything -- and yes runners have run wild on Varitek over the course of his career -- that's why he's had a completely nondescript career as a mediocre-at-best catcher

as I said, I agree with you geniuses -- leave Martinez in there -- maybe they'll bring back Bob Tillman or Gary Allenson too!!!! Tek couldn't do any better than those guys, now could they

[Edited on 4/22/2010 by Stephen]


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 03:23 PM

quote:
Javy Vazquez = assclown




Assclown with a good win under his belt

He'll be fine. Phil Hughes pitched a whale of a game last night.


WharfRat - 4/22/2010 at 07:42 PM

quote:
quote:
Javy Vazquez = assclown




Assclown with a good win under his belt

He'll be fine. Phil Hughes pitched a whale of a game last night.



Wasnt really that impressed with the outing. Still struggling to keep his head together out there.

Hughes has been a BEAST so far this season.. Sure hope that continues.


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 07:44 PM

quote:
Hughes has been a BEAST so far this season.. Sure hope that continues.


True story!


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 07:52 PM

CCs off to a slow start today...ugg


brofan - 4/22/2010 at 08:03 PM

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CCs off to a slow start today...ugg



I assume you mean the Lovable Losers, AKA Chicago Cubs....

They are off to a painfully slow season - AGAIN. Like for the last 100 years or so.

Even my father, who died in '05 at age 79, never saw them win a Series. I doubt it I will either.

Piniella demoting Zambrano to the bullpen is Lou's way of telling Hendry that he's been given sh!t to wsork with (and not just in the pen) and that the only way they can win games beyond the 8th inning is to use their best pitcher, at over $20 million per year, since the they might have the worst bullpen in Major League history thanks to Hendry's pathetic talent evaluation.

What a diaster.


WharfRat - 4/22/2010 at 08:03 PM

Trade his ass!!!



















Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 08:05 PM

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quote:
CCs off to a slow start today...ugg



I assume you mean the Lovable Losers, AKA Chicago Cubs....



Actually, I meant CC Sabathia. He gave up 3 runs in the 1st this afternoon...

'Course the Cubs aren't really lighting things up this year yet, either.


brofan - 4/22/2010 at 08:10 PM

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quote:
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CCs off to a slow start today...ugg



I assume you mean the Lovable Losers, AKA Chicago Cubs....



Actually, I meant CC Sabathia. He gave up 3 runs in the 1st this afternoon...

'Course the Cubs aren't really lighting things up this year yet, either.



Sorry, Chad....shows how psychotic us Cubs fans are....


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 08:12 PM

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quote:
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CCs off to a slow start today...ugg



I assume you mean the Lovable Losers, AKA Chicago Cubs....



Actually, I meant CC Sabathia. He gave up 3 runs in the 1st this afternoon...

'Course the Cubs aren't really lighting things up this year yet, either.



Sorry, Chad....shows how psychotic us Cubs fans are....


I've got kind of a one track mind when it comes to baseball too...heh

Go Yanks!


brofan - 4/22/2010 at 08:17 PM

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quote:
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CCs off to a slow start today...ugg



I assume you mean the Lovable Losers, AKA Chicago Cubs....



Actually, I meant CC Sabathia. He gave up 3 runs in the 1st this afternoon...

'Course the Cubs aren't really lighting things up this year yet, either.



Sorry, Chad....shows how psychotic us Cubs fans are....


I've got kind of a one track mind when it comes to baseball too...heh

Go Yanks!




I've ALWAYS been a Yankees fan.....one of the thrills of my life was when I finally got to visit (the old) Yankee Stadium on Easter Sunday when I was at the Beacon in '07. Even it snowed during the game and it was freezing, A-Rod homered and I had a blast sitting and talking baseball with the Dominican and Puerto Rican gangbangers in the RF bleachers....


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 08:26 PM

quote:
I've ALWAYS been a Yankees fan.....one of the thrills of my life was when I finally got to visit (the old) Yankee Stadium on Easter Sunday when I was at the Beacon in '07. Even it snowed during the game and it was freezing, A-Rod homered and I had a blast sitting and talking baseball with the Dominican and Puerto Rican gangbangers in the RF bleachers....


Awesome! One of my favorite Yankee Stadium moments was in July 2000 during the first day night double header against the Mets. The day game was at Shea Stadium. Doc Gooden pitched a good game, getting a win for the Yanks and we took the subway over to the Bronx with 1,000s of crazed baseball fans. It was hot and people were drunk and packed into the subway like sardines. It was the best subway ride I've ever been on

So we get to Yankee Stadium. Now we had tickets for the day game but not the night game. It was our intention to just buy a couple tickets on the street and hit the night game.

But as we were searching for tickets to buy there was a rumor spreading that cops were busting people for scalping and for buying tickets and they were hauling people off to jail. Well that kinda freaked us out and we sort of resigned ourselves to watching the game in the bar across the street. So we get to the bar and the national anthem is playing and we thought, let's try one more time to get tickets. So we ran out the door, bought tickets (great seats) from the first guy we see for dirt cheap. He just wanted to unload them. We get to our seats and one of the first things we see was Roger Clemens plunking Mike Piazza...

What an electric feeling in the Bronx that night...







[Edited on 4/22/2010 by Sandman]


brofan - 4/22/2010 at 08:42 PM

quote:
quote:
I've ALWAYS been a Yankees fan.....one of the thrills of my life was when I finally got to visit (the old) Yankee Stadium on Easter Sunday when I was at the Beacon in '07. Even it snowed during the game and it was freezing, A-Rod homered and I had a blast sitting and talking baseball with the Dominican and Puerto Rican gangbangers in the RF bleachers....


Awesome! One of my favorite Yankee Stadium moments was in July 2000 during the first day night double header against the Mets. The day game was at Shea Stadium. Doc Gooden pitched a good game, getting a win for the Yanks and we took the subway over to the Bronx with 1,000s of crazed baseball fans. It was hot and people were drunk and packed into the subway like sardines. It was the best subway ride I've ever been on

So we get to Yankee Stadium. Now we had tickets for the day game but not the night game. It was our intention to just buy a couple tickets on the street and hit the night game.

But as we were searching for tickets to buy there was a rumor spreading that cops were busting people for scalping and for buying tickets and they were hauling people off to jail. Well that kinda freaked us out and we sort of resigned ourselves to watching the game in the bar across the street. So we get to the bar and the national anthem is playing and we thought, let's try one more time to get tickets. So we ran out the door, bought tickets (great seats) from the first guy we see for dirt cheap. He just wanted to unload them. We get to our seats and one of the first things we see was Roger Clemens plunking Mike Piazza...

What an electric feeling in the Bronx that night...







[Edited on 4/22/2010 by Sandman]


So you were there when Clemens had his 'roid rage meltdown? Wow. That is awesome.

This isn't on the same level, but I'll never forget the time I was at Comsikey Park and Black Jack McDowell (what a dick) hit Mark Whiten (I think he was with Toronto then) and Whiten decked McDowell with one punch. I'll give McD credit for standing his ground - and trying to own the plate.


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 08:58 PM

quote:
So you were there when Clemens had his 'roid rage meltdown? Wow. That is awesome.


Not the one in the World Series where he threw the end of the bat at Piazza. But I was there that summer where he beaned him...still not one of Clemens better moments.


brofan - 4/22/2010 at 09:09 PM

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quote:
So you were there when Clemens had his 'roid rage meltdown? Wow. That is awesome.


Not the one in the World Series where he threw the end of the bat at Piazza. But I was there that summer where he beaned him...still not one of Clemens better moments.



Do you think it was intentional? Knowing what I know about RC now, I have to wonder.

I'm still shocked about the steroids thing with Clemens - I used to work with a woman who was from Boston and knew RC and his wife really well - knew them from Boston and when she was assigned the Dallas territory when Clemens pitched for the Rangers she would babysit Clemen's kids when he was on the road and his wife would join him. I was good friends with her - when I was (stupidly) contemplating buying a boat in '07 she told me Clemens had like 3 of them and wanted to get rid of them and she'd talk to him about it....luckily it never went any further, wouldn't want to negotiate with RC - and when the whole steroids thing blew up about him I didn't have the heart to ask her about it. It had to crush her...she really liked his family and she was a shrewd, tough, Boston Irishwoman. If it had been an obvoius thing I doubt she would have respected him and his wife, who took HGH. It had to hurt her to be fooled like that.


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 09:09 PM

The Yanks just pulled off a triple play in the bottom of the 6th in Oakland!


Bhawk - 4/22/2010 at 09:12 PM

quote:
The Yanks just pulled off a triple play in the bottom of the 6th in Oakland!



Who cares?



brofan - 4/22/2010 at 09:13 PM

quote:
The Yanks just pulled off a triple play in the bottom of the 6th in Oakland!



Unassisted?


Bhawk - 4/22/2010 at 09:13 PM

EFF the Yankees!


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 09:14 PM

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quote:
The Yanks just pulled off a triple play in the bottom of the 6th in Oakland!



Unassisted?


Nope...5, 4, 3 triple play...


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 09:15 PM

quote:
EFF the Yankees!


Boo


Bhawk - 4/22/2010 at 09:18 PM

quote:
quote:
EFF the Yankees!


Boo


Bastids made me cry when I was a kid...in

1976
1977 and
1978.

Eff them eternally!


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 09:20 PM



Bhawk - 4/22/2010 at 09:21 PM

I wish Wharfy was here...


Bhawk - 4/22/2010 at 09:23 PM

Let's get a proper pic of George here...


Sandman - 4/22/2010 at 09:25 PM

Someday, Jerry, I want to get down to Kauffman Stadium and catch a game with ya...


Bhawk - 4/22/2010 at 09:29 PM

quote:
Someday, Jerry, I want to get down to Kauffman Stadium and catch a game with ya...



A fine, fine place to see a game.


Bhawk - 4/22/2010 at 09:29 PM

Even if the team sucks.


WharfRat - 4/22/2010 at 10:25 PM

quote:
I wish Wharfy was here...


You rang?


WharfRat - 4/22/2010 at 10:28 PM

Oh and..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCszOugWvmQ


brofan - 4/22/2010 at 10:29 PM

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Even if the team sucks.


Hey, your team hasn't been beaten 20-0 like Pittsburgh was today.


Now, PNC - THAT's a nice park.

Caught a game there with Tunney after Bobofest in '05.


WharfRat - 4/22/2010 at 10:30 PM

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quote:
Even if the team sucks.


Hey, your team hasn't been beaten 20-0 like Pittsburgh was today.


I saw that.. Ouch!

Also didnt realize that the O's have only won 2 games so far
And thier next 2 series are against the Sox and Yanks

[Edited on 4/22/2010 by WharfRat]


emr - 4/22/2010 at 11:03 PM

quote:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xipza9joNw

I think George was the only man in baseball history who ever owned the Goose


Lee - 4/23/2010 at 11:44 AM

quote:


I assume you mean the Lovable Losers, AKA Chicago Cubs....





Gonna be a long baseball season here in the Windy City. Flubbies and White Sux both suck.


alloak41 - 4/23/2010 at 03:21 PM

I imagine the greatest thing about being a Cub fan is getting
to watch Alfonso Soriano play every day. The worst thing about
being a Cub fan? Getting to watch Alphonso Soriano play every day.
He's normally getting his hits, which is fine. Aside from that he's often
not hustling, getting picked off, dropping fly balls, running
you out of innings, ect. He's an irritant, and I bet Lou hates him.


Lee - 4/23/2010 at 03:52 PM

When Soriano played for the Yanks, I loved the guy. Tremendously talented. Now they finally decided he can't even catch a fly ball in left field. The Cubs wasted WAY too much money in him and Zambrano.


alloak41 - 4/23/2010 at 04:03 PM

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Even if the team sucks.


Hey, your team hasn't been beaten 20-0 like Pittsburgh was today.


Milwaukee missed an extra point.

They left 12 guys on base and still put up 20. Scary.


WharfRat - 4/24/2010 at 01:33 AM

quote:
When Soriano played for the Yanks, I loved the guy. Tremendously talented. Now they finally decided he can't even catch a fly ball in left field. The Cubs wasted WAY too much money in him and Zambrano.


Yea, I dont know what happened to him.. Loved him when he was in NY, and was pissed when he left...


alloak41 - 4/24/2010 at 02:51 AM

It's kind of hard to believe McCann would try to throw out a runner that the umpire - standing right behind him - had already called out. What a bonehead play.


alloak41 - 4/24/2010 at 02:58 AM

It seems like whenever Kawakami pitches they leave their A-game at the hotel. They sure played lousy tonight.


goldtop - 4/27/2010 at 08:59 PM

SF Giants 11-8 going against the 11-8 Phillies...should be a great game


fanfrom-71 - 4/29/2010 at 01:56 AM

I know they're not a northeast team. But since this is a MLB thread,and they do have the best ranking in MLB............


















GO


alloak41 - 4/29/2010 at 02:12 AM

The Braves are in danger of losing eight straight, behind 6-0 in the sixth at St. Louis. The bats are dead.


Sang - 4/29/2010 at 06:53 PM

I'm liking what I am seeing from St. Louis - a few come from behind victories lately....


WharfRat - 4/29/2010 at 08:24 PM

Who the HELL woke up the Mets?

Even Maine gets a win???


Lee - 4/30/2010 at 12:31 PM

The Orioles are on pace to finish 29 and 133.


Stephen - 4/30/2010 at 03:13 PM

quote:
I know they're not a northeast team. But since this is a MLB thread,and they do have the best ranking in MLB............


















GO




Their fans don't seem too crazy about them though, only 12K at their game last night -- weird -- the NL team down there doesn't draw much eigther -- the Rays look Bad -- yikes

[Edited on 4/30/2010 by Stephen]


spacemonkey - 5/1/2010 at 02:47 AM

O's win in 10

Tejada with a 8th inning homer to tie, and gets the game winning RBI in the 10th.


bob1954 - 5/3/2010 at 01:19 AM

As a Detroit fan I wasn't happy with the Granderson for Jackson trade, but right now Jackson is leading the league in hits while Grandy is on the DL. Looks like a great trade for the Tigers after all.


alloak41 - 5/3/2010 at 01:38 AM

Damn, the Phillies are teeing off on Santana. Four homeruns, two in 4th including a grand slam by Victorino. Then Utley hit a tape measure shot. Time for the hook, Jerry!


WharfRat - 5/3/2010 at 02:27 AM

quote:
As a Detroit fan I wasn't happy with the Granderson for Jackson trade, but right now Jackson is leading the league in hits while Grandy is on the DL. Looks like a great trade for the Tigers after all.


Told ya..
The Yanks were high on Jackson for years..I still say this trade was a huge mistake on the Yanks part.


WharfRat - 5/3/2010 at 09:15 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
As a Detroit fan I wasn't happy with the Granderson for Jackson trade, but right now Jackson is leading the league in hits while Grandy is on the DL. Looks like a great trade for the Tigers after all.


Told ya..
The Yanks were high on Jackson for years..I still say this trade was a huge mistake on the Yanks part.


As bad as the Vasquez trade?


THAT was worse


michaelsio - 5/3/2010 at 10:30 AM

quote:
Damn, the Phillies are teeing off on Santana. Four homeruns, two in 4th including a grand slam by Victorino. Then Utley hit a tape measure shot. Time for the hook, Jerry!



Had tickets to this game, but it's way past my bedtime. May daughter,her boyfriend and his brother went. I know she loved it.


Lee - 5/3/2010 at 11:13 AM

quote:
quote:
As a Detroit fan I wasn't happy with the Granderson for Jackson trade, but right now Jackson is leading the league in hits while Grandy is on the DL. Looks like a great trade for the Tigers after all.


Told ya..
The Yanks were high on Jackson for years..I still say this trade was a huge mistake on the Yanks part.



Well you did call that but remember it's early. Wait till the pichers see Jackson a few times.


Lee - 5/3/2010 at 11:15 AM

quote:
quote:
Damn, the Phillies are teeing off on Santana. Four homeruns, two in 4th including a grand slam by Victorino. Then Utley hit a tape measure shot. Time for the hook, Jerry!



Had tickets to this game, but it's way past my bedtime. May daughter,her boyfriend and his brother went. I know she loved it.




I can't believe Jamie Moyer has 262 wins.


sonnystang - 5/3/2010 at 11:16 AM

quote:
I know they're not a northeast team. But since this is a MLB thread,and they


















GO




X2

[Edited on 5/3/2010 by sonnystang]


Stephen - 5/3/2010 at 04:33 PM

What about Zack Grienke -- a complete-game four-hitter yesterday, & lost 1-0 -- a 2.27 ERA, and the Cy Young winner has an 0-3 won-lost record -- I mean the guy must be getting to hate the game of baseball

now he knows how Steve Lefty Carlton must have felt in 1972...or Luis Tiant for that matter too, when he went 9-20 with the Indians & still pitched awesome


michaelsio - 5/3/2010 at 05:09 PM

Well, Carlton did get the Cy Young that year. It was the rest of the Phillies that stunk.


michaelsio - 5/3/2010 at 05:11 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Damn, the Phillies are teeing off on Santana. Four homeruns, two in 4th including a grand slam by Victorino. Then Utley hit a tape measure shot. Time for the hook, Jerry!



Had tickets to this game, but it's way past my bedtime. May daughter,her boyfriend and his brother went. I know she loved it.




I can't believe Jamie Moyer has 262 wins.


He's been pitching since 1925.

He's going to keep going until his age matches his number.


alloak41 - 5/4/2010 at 01:13 AM

Here's one for Stephen...

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/13341671/phillies-closer-madson-needs-to e-surgery-after-kicking-chair?tag=pageRow;pageContainer


Lee - 5/4/2010 at 11:52 AM

quote:
Well, Carlton did get the Cy Young that year. It was the rest of the Phillies that stunk.



I think he won 27 games on that crappy team. Pretty amazing.


michaelsio - 5/4/2010 at 12:05 PM

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quote:
Well, Carlton did get the Cy Young that year. It was the rest of the Phillies that stunk.



I think he won 27 games on that crappy team. Pretty amazing.


They only won 59 games total that year.


Lee - 5/4/2010 at 12:09 PM

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quote:
quote:
Well, Carlton did get the Cy Young that year. It was the rest of the Phillies that stunk.



I think he won 27 games on that crappy team. Pretty amazing.


They only won 59 games total that year.



He should have been the last 30-game winner rather than Denny McClain.


Stephen - 5/4/2010 at 02:57 PM

quote:
Here's one for Stephen...

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/13341671/phillies-closer-madson-needs-to e-surgery-after-kicking-chair?tag=pageRow;pageContainer


I'm tellin' ya, these ballplayers have the bodies of 40-50 year olds w/all the injuries they seem to incur -- I mean would Lefty Carlton have come out of a game because of a hurtie? NO -- mainly because modern ballplayer$$$ have grown new body parts -- like the oblique -- and the hip flexor -- and the rotator cuff -- and their own custom hamstrings and ribcage, that strain every time they have to run out a ground ball -- just as Curtis Granderson -- baseball's newest multimillionaire & he's on the DL -- injured -- While Running The Bases -- it's not just a "strain" either, according to the paper it's something brand new -- -- a "Grade 2" strain --

it's an insult & these ballplayers are PUSSIES -- they do nothing in spring training to prepare physically for the season -- little hurties that would have been nothing to players when they had to EARN their living, & before guaranteed contracts
I mean the proof's in the pudding -- what about this (from yesterday)
"RH reliever Pat Neshek (inflamed tendon in right middle finger) was placed on the DL. To make room for C Wilson Ramos, the Twins wanted to option Neshek to Class AAA Rochester. But when they told Neshek of that plan, the reliever revealed that his finger, which he had said was better after troubles with it that surfaced in April, was still bothering him and he wanted to go on the DL rather than be demoted"
what that says to me is that Pat Neshek doesn't care about being labeled a chickenshit, & the inmates ($) run the asylum -- "inflamed tendon, middle finger" -- wah wah -- one month into the season & they're already acting like spoiled babies
That was a good one alloak ), sorry for getting so carried away
Go Sox


bob1954 - 5/5/2010 at 01:45 AM

quote:
I just heard that Ernie Harwell has died.

Yeah, a sad day for Tigers fans.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-obit-harwell


alloak41 - 5/5/2010 at 03:22 AM

That is sad. He always seemed like a class act. It's been sort of a bad patch for great baseball announcers. Skip Caray, Harry Kalas, now Ernie Harwell. Bob Uecker is recovering from heart surgery and will miss the next three months.


brofan - 5/5/2010 at 03:28 AM

quote:
That is sad. He always seemed like a class act. It's been sort of a bad patch for great baseball announcers. Skip Caray, Harry Kalas, now Ernie Harwell. Bob Uecker is recovering from heart surgery and will miss the next three months.


I was thinking about that today....watched a documentary about Fergie Jenkins in like '71, the year he won the Cy Young. I lived and died with the Cubs then, and it was like taking a Time Machine back to my youth....Jack Brickhouse announcing the games, those horrible unis with the elastic waistbands, all the players had huge sideburns and afros or bad hair.....remembered it like it was like yesterday.

Harwell, Kalas, Uecker, Harry Caray, Jack Brickhouse...they don't make 'em like that anymore.

Today I thought that Harry Caray wouldn't be able to get a job announcing today. That sucks.

[Edited on 5/5/2010 by brofan]


brofan - 5/5/2010 at 03:37 AM

Fergie threw 30 - count 'em, 30 - complete games in '71.

And 325 innings. Went 24-13 with a 2.77 ERA and 263 strikeouts. It was his sixth 20 win season in a row. In WRIGLEY FIELD.

2 years later he won 25 games pitching for Texas and threw 325 innings with a 2.82 ERA and 225 strikeouts and 29 complete games. What a stud.

Wonder how much he would've made today?


alloak41 - 5/5/2010 at 03:38 AM

quote:
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That is sad. He always seemed like a class act. It's been sort of a bad patch for great baseball announcers. Skip Caray, Harry Kalas, now Ernie Harwell. Bob Uecker is recovering from heart surgery and will miss the next three months.


I was thinking about that today....watched a documentary about Fergie Jenkins in like '71, the year he won the Cy Young. I lived and died with the Cubs then, and it was like taking a Time Machine back to my youth....Jack Brickhouse announcing the games, those horrible unis with the elastic waistbands, all the players had huge sideburns and afros or bad hair.....remembered it like it was like yesterday.

Harwell, Kalas, Uecker, Harry Caray, Jack Brickhouse...they don't make 'em like that anymore.

Today I thought that Harry Caray wouldn't be able to get a job announcing today. That sucks.

[Edited on 5/5/2010 by brofan]


I've seen that, and would love to see it again. Jenkins, Santo, Hundley, Kessinger, Billy Williams, ect, and how they all had one thing in common - their collective hatred of Leo Durocher. I loved the part with Pepitone ragging on the first base ump in that Brooklyn accent. "You know something Jim? You're a pain in my ass" and on and on. That was a great time in baseball.


brofan - 5/5/2010 at 03:43 AM

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That is sad. He always seemed like a class act. It's been sort of a bad patch for great baseball announcers. Skip Caray, Harry Kalas, now Ernie Harwell. Bob Uecker is recovering from heart surgery and will miss the next three months.


I was thinking about that today....watched a documentary about Fergie Jenkins in like '71, the year he won the Cy Young. I lived and died with the Cubs then, and it was like taking a Time Machine back to my youth....Jack Brickhouse announcing the games, those horrible unis with the elastic waistbands, all the players had huge sideburns and afros or bad hair.....remembered it like it was like yesterday.

Harwell, Kalas, Uecker, Harry Caray, Jack Brickhouse...they don't make 'em like that anymore.

Today I thought that Harry Caray wouldn't be able to get a job announcing today. That sucks.

[Edited on 5/5/2010 by brofan]


I've seen that, and would love to see it again. Jenkins, Santo, Hundley, Kessinger, Billy Williams, ect, and how they all had one thing in common - their collective hatred of Leo Durocher. I loved the part with Pepitone ragging on the first base ump in that Brooklyn accent. "You know something Jim? You're a pain in my ass" and on and on. That was a great time in baseball.


Yup, they hated Leo's guts. But like a fellow employee said when we got a new operations manager at GE that we unanimously hated, "We never been more unified as a team!"

Pepitone was a classic - almost the exact opposite of the guy he replaced, Ernie Banks, who was my idol.

Still is.


alloak41 - 5/5/2010 at 03:57 AM

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That is sad. He always seemed like a class act. It's been sort of a bad patch for great baseball announcers. Skip Caray, Harry Kalas, now Ernie Harwell. Bob Uecker is recovering from heart surgery and will miss the next three months.


I was thinking about that today....watched a documentary about Fergie Jenkins in like '71, the year he won the Cy Young. I lived and died with the Cubs then, and it was like taking a Time Machine back to my youth....Jack Brickhouse announcing the games, those horrible unis with the elastic waistbands, all the players had huge sideburns and afros or bad hair.....remembered it like it was like yesterday.

Harwell, Kalas, Uecker, Harry Caray, Jack Brickhouse...they don't make 'em like that anymore.

Today I thought that Harry Caray wouldn't be able to get a job announcing today. That sucks.

[Edited on 5/5/2010 by brofan]


I've seen that, and would love to see it again. Jenkins, Santo, Hundley, Kessinger, Billy Williams, ect, and how they all had one thing in common - their collective hatred of Leo Durocher. I loved the part with Pepitone ragging on the first base ump in that Brooklyn accent. "You know something Jim? You're a pain in my ass" and on and on. That was a great time in baseball.


Yup, they hated Leo's guts. But like a fellow employee said when we got a new operations manager at GE that we unanimously hated, "We never been more unified as a team!"

Pepitone was a classic - almost the exact opposite of the guy he replaced, Ernie Banks, who was my idol.

Still is.


I remember watching Pepitone playing for the Astros, where he had a pretty good half season starting in RF. The fans loved him and the team got a kick out of him, but back in the day the Astros were running the team like Army boot camp...not Pepi's style, so he "retired" in mid-stream. Actually a pretty shrewd move on his part. He had the balls to walk away, rolled the dice on another team signing him.


brofan - 5/5/2010 at 04:02 AM

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That is sad. He always seemed like a class act. It's been sort of a bad patch for great baseball announcers. Skip Caray, Harry Kalas, now Ernie Harwell. Bob Uecker is recovering from heart surgery and will miss the next three months.


I was thinking about that today....watched a documentary about Fergie Jenkins in like '71, the year he won the Cy Young. I lived and died with the Cubs then, and it was like taking a Time Machine back to my youth....Jack Brickhouse announcing the games, those horrible unis with the elastic waistbands, all the players had huge sideburns and afros or bad hair.....remembered it like it was like yesterday.

Harwell, Kalas, Uecker, Harry Caray, Jack Brickhouse...they don't make 'em like that anymore.

Today I thought that Harry Caray wouldn't be able to get a job announcing today. That sucks.

[Edited on 5/5/2010 by brofan]


I've seen that, and would love to see it again. Jenkins, Santo, Hundley, Kessinger, Billy Williams, ect, and how they all had one thing in common - their collective hatred of Leo Durocher. I loved the part with Pepitone ragging on the first base ump in that Brooklyn accent. "You know something Jim? You're a pain in my ass" and on and on. That was a great time in baseball.


Yup, they hated Leo's guts. But like a fellow employee said when we got a new operations manager at GE that we unanimously hated, "We never been more unified as a team!"

Pepitone was a classic - almost the exact opposite of the guy he replaced, Ernie Banks, who was my idol.

Still is.


I remember watching Pepitone playing for the Astros, where he had a pretty good half season starting in RF. The fans loved him and the team got a kick out of him, but back in the day the Astros were running the team like Army boot camp...not Pepi's style, so he "retired" in mid-stream. Actually a pretty shrewd move on his part. He had the balls to walk away, rolled the dice on another team signing him.


What did he say in Ball Four? If you f*ck up, pull up lame, or fake a pulled hamstring. Something like that.

That dude liked to party. He was legendary on Rush Street in Chicago.


alloak41 - 5/5/2010 at 04:21 AM

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That is sad. He always seemed like a class act. It's been sort of a bad patch for great baseball announcers. Skip Caray, Harry Kalas, now Ernie Harwell. Bob Uecker is recovering from heart surgery and will miss the next three months.


I was thinking about that today....watched a documentary about Fergie Jenkins in like '71, the year he won the Cy Young. I lived and died with the Cubs then, and it was like taking a Time Machine back to my youth....Jack Brickhouse announcing the games, those horrible unis with the elastic waistbands, all the players had huge sideburns and afros or bad hair.....remembered it like it was like yesterday.

Harwell, Kalas, Uecker, Harry Caray, Jack Brickhouse...they don't make 'em like that anymore.

Today I thought that Harry Caray wouldn't be able to get a job announcing today. That sucks.

[Edited on 5/5/2010 by brofan]


I've seen that, and would love to see it again. Jenkins, Santo, Hundley, Kessinger, Billy Williams, ect, and how they all had one thing in common - their collective hatred of Leo Durocher. I loved the part with Pepitone ragging on the first base ump in that Brooklyn accent. "You know something Jim? You're a pain in my ass" and on and on. That was a great time in baseball.


Yup, they hated Leo's guts. But like a fellow employee said when we got a new operations manager at GE that we unanimously hated, "We never been more unified as a team!"

Pepitone was a classic - almost the exact opposite of the guy he replaced, Ernie Banks, who was my idol.

Still is.


I remember watching Pepitone playing for the Astros, where he had a pretty good half season starting in RF. The fans loved him and the team got a kick out of him, but back in the day the Astros were running the team like Army boot camp...not Pepi's style, so he "retired" in mid-stream. Actually a pretty shrewd move on his part. He had the balls to walk away, rolled the dice on another team signing him.


What did he say in Ball Four? If you f*ck up, pull up lame, or fake a pulled hamstring. Something like that.

That dude liked to party. He was legendary on Rush Street in Chicago.


I don't remember that part, but it sounds like something he would have put in the book he wrote. If you ever find a copy, be sure to check it out. He was a total mess, and held nothing back in that one. Almost too honest. Great book!


Lee - 5/5/2010 at 10:48 AM

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What did he say in Ball Four? If you f*ck up, pull up lame, or fake a pulled hamstring. Something like that.

That dude liked to party. He was legendary on Rush Street in Chicago.



I'm looking at that book on my bookshelf right now. Haven't read it in years. I could use a good laugh today.


lonomon - 5/6/2010 at 04:51 PM

Phillies icon Robin Roberts, who was a key member of the 1950 Whiz Kids, died this morning at his Temple Terrace, Fla., home from natural causes, the Phillies said. Roberts was 83.

He spent 14 years with the Phillies (1948-61) posting a 234-199 record, before stints with Baltimore, Houston and Chicago, compiling a 286-245 record with a 3.41 ERA for his 19-year career. He was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1976.

"Dad didn’t miss a Phillies game on television, including last night. He really loved this team and was so thrilled that he was included in the World Series festivities the last two years," said his son, Jim. "He’d sit there and would comment, 'Did you see Jimmy make that play... Chase can really play this game… My man Jayson is some kind of an athlete… Did you see that change-up from Cole... How strong is Ryan... Roy makes pitching look so easy and it isn’t… I wish I had Brad’s slider... Shane can fly, can’t he?.'"

Funeral arrangements are pending. The Phillies will hold a moment of silence to honor Roberts before today's game against St. Louis.

Roberts’ No. 36 jersey will hang in the Phillies dugout beginning today and will remain throughout the season, both at Citizens Bank Park and on the road. Beginning with tomorrow night’s game, players will wear #36 on the right sleeve of their jerseys throughout the remainder of the season. The Phillies 1950 pennant also will be hung at half-mast.

Roberts started three games on the final five days of the 1950 season and was the winning pitcher in a victory over the Dodgers that gave the Phillies their first pennant in 35 years. Roberts won 20 games that season, becoming the team’s first 20-game winner since Grovery Cleveland Alexander in 1917.

Roberts was born in Springfield, Ill., and attended Michigan State University to play basketball, not baseball. He was a two-time captain of the hoops team but his professional future was in baseball.

He made his big-league debut on June 18, 1948.

Roberts was a workhorse as the Phillies made the 1950 World Series and continued their success. Between 1950 and 1955 Roberts won 20 games each season, leading the NL in victories from 1952 to 1955. Six times he led the league in games started, five times in complete games and innings pitched, and once pitched 28 complete games in a row.

Roberts won a career-high 28 games in 1952. In 1953, he went 23-16 and lead the NL in strikeouts with 198.

He was sold to the Yankees after the 1961 season and has his Phillies jersey retired before a spring training game against the Yankees in Clearwater. It was the first jersey retired by the team.

After his big-league career ended in 1966 with the Cubs, he pitched for the Reading Phillies in 1967 before retiring.

He then coached the University of South Florida baseball team from 1977-85.

He is survived by four sons, Robin Jr. and Debra, Blue Bell, Pa.; Dan, Temple Terrace; Rick and Sharon, Athens, Ga.; Jimmy and Christie, Temple Terrace; one brother, John and Norma, Springfield, Ill.; seven grandchildren, Robin C. Roberts, Evan Roberts, Sabrina Loviner, Alex Roberts, Ian Roberts, Curtis Roberts and Jennifer Roberts; and one great-grandson, Ryan.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Robin_Roberts_dies_at_83.html


Lee - 5/6/2010 at 06:04 PM

Damn lono.


Can't believe he was 83. I met him at a baseball card show probably 25 or 30 years ago in Detroit. I was very well-read in baseball history for a kid and I brought up the 1950 Whiz Kids World Series season to him.

You shoulda seen his face light up.

RIP Sir.


alloak41 - 5/7/2010 at 03:25 AM

RIP Robin Roberts.


michaelsio - 5/7/2010 at 10:44 AM

My father always talked about that last game of 1950 with the Dodgers.

R.I.P., Robin.


Lee - 5/8/2010 at 11:16 AM

Zack Greinke has a 2.51 ERA.


And he's 0 and 4.


Lee - 5/8/2010 at 12:18 PM

Anyone see the Yanks / Red Sox game last night? I believe Josh Beckett ran out of Yankees to throw at so he took a shot at a peanut vendor. What an ass. Can't believe nobody charged the mound.


Sandman - 5/8/2010 at 01:55 PM

I don't know, but even with the bases loaded, I think he was throwing at the Yankees. He totally lost his cool. He went at Cervelli's head twice - once right after Cervelli called time. He threw way up and in to Teixeira. And to top it off, Beckett was smirking after each throw way inside. Even after he hit Cano and Jeter. He had that fecking little jerk-off smirk.

Lee's right, he was throwing at the Yanks as sure as hell.

I'm going to be slightly perturbed if Pedroia or Youk isn't hit in the last two games of this series.


Sandman - 5/8/2010 at 02:38 PM

That's true about the splitter. And with the bases loaded, a guy could argue that he wasn't throwing at them...but it was the smirk after each throw that got me. Especially the throws at Cerevlli's head. And then Jeter getting it in the back...it just all seemed too much.

And you're totally right, the announcers today and tomorrow will be all over this...

I guess in the long run, the Yanks got in Beckett's head and came away with a W....that's the important thing...


alloak41 - 5/8/2010 at 03:16 PM

The DH should be repealed. Beckett should have to get in there and hit. Now one of his teammates will have to take the medicine for him.


bob1954 - 5/8/2010 at 03:26 PM

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The DH should be repealed. Beckett should have to get in there and hit. Now one of his teammates will have to take the medicine for him.

Agreed.


goldtop - 5/8/2010 at 03:53 PM

SF Giants 17-11... 1/2 game back of the Padres....


goldtop - 5/8/2010 at 03:59 PM

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The DH should be repealed. Beckett should have to get in there and hit. Now one of his teammates will have to take the medicine for him.


The DH ruined AL baseball.....There was something really different about the American League before that rule. The way they played the game was so different than the NL. They simply took that away to try to make it nothing but a power game. I like that the pitcher bats. I like when the unexpected pitcher hits a ball into the gap...or hit some dead duck HR that barely clears the fence...yeah they strike out a lot...so that's part of the game


Lee - 5/8/2010 at 04:03 PM

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I haven't heard any Yankees complaining about it. I



They looked pretty piseed about it when Sportcenter was showing the highlights. Really pissed actually.


Sandman - 5/8/2010 at 06:02 PM

Yeah, after Jeter got hit, the whole dugout was on the top step ready to go...you could tell they weren't happy.

We'll see how today goes...should be an intense ballgame.


DanB - 5/8/2010 at 08:27 PM

The Braves suck


alloak41 - 5/9/2010 at 01:35 AM

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The DH should be repealed. Beckett should have to get in there and hit. Now one of his teammates will have to take the medicine for him.


The DH ruined AL baseball.....There was something really different about the American League before that rule. The way they played the game was so different than the NL. They simply took that away to try to make it nothing but a power game. I like that the pitcher bats. I like when the unexpected pitcher hits a ball into the gap...or hit some dead duck HR that barely clears the fence...yeah they strike out a lot...so that's part of the game


All good points. In addition, I feel that every player in the lineup should have to play a defensive position. Half the game is on the defensive side, so it doesn't make sense to exempt one player.


goldtop - 5/9/2010 at 01:54 AM

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The DH should be repealed. Beckett should have to get in there and hit. Now one of his teammates will have to take the medicine for him.


The DH ruined AL baseball.....There was something really different about the American League before that rule. The way they played the game was so different than the NL. They simply took that away to try to make it nothing but a power game. I like that the pitcher bats. I like when the unexpected pitcher hits a ball into the gap...or hit some dead duck HR that barely clears the fence...yeah they strike out a lot...so that's part of the game


All good points. In addition, I feel that every player in the lineup should have to play a defensive position. Half the game is on the defensive side, so it doesn't make sense to exempt one player.


It also requires two sets of rules during the World Series because the DH rule follows which park they play in....I could care less about the all star game...but that get affected too...and they need to change that the All Star game gives the winning league home field advantage. That should be rotated every year....Why should some player who might help his league win the All star game but may not even play in the world series be the person to determine which league get home field advantage. They also need to get rid of the first round of playoffs and make the payoff series best of 5. Soon we'll be playing the world series in December in Colorado in 5 feet of snow. The World Series need to end before the last week of October. They also need to bring back the once a month Sunday Double Header. That would shorten the season by about 2 weeks and give the fans a treat 2 for 1 games

[Edited on 5/9/2010 by goldtop]


goldtop - 5/9/2010 at 05:03 AM

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The DH should be repealed. Beckett should have to get in there and hit. Now one of his teammates will have to take the medicine for him.


The DH ruined AL baseball.....There was something really different about the American League before that rule. The way they played the game was so different than the NL. They simply took that away to try to make it nothing but a power game. I like that the pitcher bats. I like when the unexpected pitcher hits a ball into the gap...or hit some dead duck HR that barely clears the fence...yeah they strike out a lot...so that's part of the game


All good points. In addition, I feel that every player in the lineup should have to play a defensive position. Half the game is on the defensive side, so it doesn't make sense to exempt one player.


It also requires two sets of rules during the World Series because the DH rule follows which park they play in....I could care less about the all star game...but that get affected too...and they need to change that the All Star game gives the winning league home field advantage. That should be rotated every year....Why should some player who might help his league win the All star game but may not even play in the world series be the person to determine which league get home field advantage. They also need to get rid of the first round of playoffs and make the payoff series best of 5. Soon we'll be playing the world series in December in Colorado in 5 feet of snow. The World Series need to end before the last week of October. They also need to bring back the once a month Sunday Double Header. That would shorten the season by about 2 weeks and give the fans a treat 2 for 1 games

[Edited on 5/9/2010 by goldtop]


FWIW, MLB has decided to use the DH in the All Star Game mo matter where it is played.


I haven't watched an All star game for many years, It's such a waste of time....As is the NFL Pro Bowl Game. At one time the MLB All Star game was fun but it's just gotten to be....I don't know....lame....The NFL Pro Bowl has always been lame


Sandman - 5/10/2010 at 02:05 PM

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...and they need to change that the All Star game gives the winning league home field advantage. That should be rotated every year....


I agree that the all star game should not determine WS home field advantage. But why should it be rotated every year between AL and NL.

What's wrong with theteam with the best record having home field advantage? That's why you play 162 games. The best record should count for WS home field advantage, IMO. I see no reason why it shouldn't...


alloak41 - 5/11/2010 at 07:09 PM

Here's a chance to win $3,000,000 if your interested...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/bts/index.jsp


Stephen - 5/13/2010 at 03:06 PM

Shoot -- just personal pap that means nothing -- meant to post it May 5 -- 85 years to the day when Ty Cobb proved again his amazing baseball ability -- scoffing at the popularity of the long ball that had overshadowed the more technical aspects of the game, Cobb told a group of disbelieving reporters before a May 5 doubleheader, "what's so hard about hitting home runs -- watch this."

He then went out and had the best day of his career as the 38 year old Tigers player-manager hit three home runs, just barely missed two others, had a double, and overall backed up his pre-game claim to the astounded scribes (this is all according to various biographies) -- that to me is the greatest performance ever in baseball

carry on, & go Sox

[Edited on 5/13/2010 by Stephen]


Bhawk - 5/13/2010 at 09:11 PM

May 13 and Grienke gets his first win.

I hate baseball.


Bhawk - 5/13/2010 at 09:26 PM

Royals have a new skipper. I don't know much about Ned Yost.


WharfRat - 5/13/2010 at 10:39 PM

The owner should be fired if anything.. If that were possible.

Pretty sad.


Stephen - 5/14/2010 at 05:34 PM

Agreed, won't make a bit of difference -- they usually don't anyway but definitely not w/the non-Royales -- Geo. Brett, John Mayberry, Paul Splittorf, Dennis Leonard, Willie Wilson etc etc -- yes what has happened
BoSox, BoSox, BoSawx...


bob1954 - 5/14/2010 at 05:58 PM

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BoSox, BoSox, BoSawx...

Boston is starting a 3 game series w/Detroit. Their only chance to take a game from the Tigers will be when Detroit puts Scherzer on the mound tonight. Other than him the Tigers rotation is red hot.


WharfRat - 5/15/2010 at 12:47 AM

AJ "Jeckle and Hyde" Burnett is starting to piss me off.


alloak41 - 5/17/2010 at 02:32 PM

Cincinnati Reds in first in the NL Central. Something you don't see every day.


lonomon - 5/19/2010 at 01:40 PM

Interesting


WharfRat - 5/21/2010 at 12:20 AM

Did I ever mention how much I despise the D-Rays?


WharfRat - 5/21/2010 at 02:20 AM

No.


BIGV - 5/21/2010 at 02:35 AM

I would say ..."How about those Padres"?....But I predict that they'll be 50-50 after 100 games and won't win 75 by season's end...


fanfrom-71 - 5/21/2010 at 04:13 PM

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They are just the Rays now. Try to keep up with the name of this years AL East champ.


alloak41 - 5/22/2010 at 01:40 PM

What do you do about the ballplayer that demands to be traded in mid-stream because the team is losing? That's what Roy Oswalt is doing, despite the no-trade clause in his contract.

Oswalt is 2-6 with a 2.66 and is frustrated by the lack of run support and the Astros lackluster play. He wants out. I'd be tempted to sit him down until something can be worked out, due to a lack of loyalty to his teammates. Or send him to Triple-A and let him complain to the papers from Round Rock. What a pro.


alloak41 - 5/23/2010 at 07:56 PM

Jose Lima passed away today. Dead of a heart attack at 37.

RIP.


WharfRat - 5/23/2010 at 09:04 PM

WTF??


WharfRat - 5/23/2010 at 09:07 PM

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What do you do about the ballplayer that demands to be traded in mid-stream because the team is losing? That's what Roy Oswalt is doing, despite the no-trade clause in his contract.

Oswalt is 2-6 with a 2.66 and is frustrated by the lack of run support and the Astros lackluster play. He wants out. I'd be tempted to sit him down until something can be worked out, due to a lack of loyalty to his teammates. Or send him to Triple-A and let him complain to the papers from Round Rock. What a pro.


I dont know man. He is an ACE pitcher, and is on the other side of his prime. His window of opportunity to be on a Championship caliber team is closing.
This could be a good thing if they can get some prime prospects for him.
Unfortunately for both he and the team, I dont see the Yanks or Sox getting involved in this. That would keep the "price" down I would think.


alloak41 - 5/23/2010 at 10:16 PM

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What do you do about the ballplayer that demands to be traded in mid-stream because the team is losing? That's what Roy Oswalt is doing, despite the no-trade clause in his contract.

Oswalt is 2-6 with a 2.66 and is frustrated by the lack of run support and the Astros lackluster play. He wants out. I'd be tempted to sit him down until something can be worked out, due to a lack of loyalty to his teammates. Or send him to Triple-A and let him complain to the papers from Round Rock. What a pro.


I dont know man. He is an ACE pitcher, and is on the other side of his prime. His window of opportunity to be on a Championship caliber team is closing.
This could be a good thing if they can get some prime prospects for him.
Unfortunately for both he and the team, I dont see the Yanks or Sox getting involved in this. That would keep the "price" down I would think.


He has backed off some of his comments and the request for a trade. Frustration might have got the best of him originally.


WharfRat - 5/24/2010 at 12:01 AM

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What do you do about the ballplayer that demands to be traded in mid-stream because the team is losing? That's what Roy Oswalt is doing, despite the no-trade clause in his contract.

Oswalt is 2-6 with a 2.66 and is frustrated by the lack of run support and the Astros lackluster play. He wants out. I'd be tempted to sit him down until something can be worked out, due to a lack of loyalty to his teammates. Or send him to Triple-A and let him complain to the papers from Round Rock. What a pro.


I dont know man. He is an ACE pitcher, and is on the other side of his prime. His window of opportunity to be on a Championship caliber team is closing.
This could be a good thing if they can get some prime prospects for him.
Unfortunately for both he and the team, I dont see the Yanks or Sox getting involved in this. That would keep the "price" down I would think.


He has backed off some of his comments and the request for a trade. Frustration might have got the best of him originally.



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Oswalt is 2-6 with a 2.66
^^^^^^This could have something to do with that

[Edited on 5/24/2010 by WharfRat]


WharfRat - 5/24/2010 at 01:51 AM


gondicar - 5/26/2010 at 11:47 AM

Nice back-to-back wins in Tampa (aka the new AL East House of Horrors) for the Sawx. Boston starters have given up just 1 run in their last 26 innings. Papi and Youk are on fieyah. Still 6.5 games out (just 1.5 games back of Yanks) but coming on strong.


bob1954 - 5/26/2010 at 03:21 PM

It was good to see Austin Jackson back in the Tigers line-up after that hard hit to the head he took last weekend.


bob1954 - 5/26/2010 at 10:42 PM

A couple more games like today's and Jim Leyland will be looking for work.


gondicar - 5/27/2010 at 12:08 PM

Sox put another beat down on the #1 team in the league to complete the sweep on their home turf...niiiiice.


gondicar - 5/27/2010 at 12:25 PM

Ok, so the Sox just went 9-4 in a stretch of 13 games (11 on the road) in 13 days against contenders. They played three straight first-place teams to finish it off and went 7-1 against the Twins, Phillies and Rays. They gave up only 16 runs in those eight games. Big Papi has been one of the hottest hitters in baseball in May (another dinger last night), but even more impressive is the fact that Adrian Beltre is finally playing some gold glove defense and has probably been the most consistent Boston hitters all season. After his first 2 homer game of the season last night, consider this (from boston.com):

- His 12 total bases last night were the most for a Red Sox player since Kevin "Cowboy Up" Millar hit three homers against the Yankees on July 23, 2004.
- He is hitting .341 with a .371 on-base percentage. Nobody expected that.
- He is 16 of his last 31 and leads the Sox with 19 multi-hit games this season.

So which is the "real" Boston Red Sox for 2010, the team we saw in April or the team we have seen in May? Time will tell but the newcomers finally seem to be gelling, they are getting a few key guys back in the lineup (Ellsbury, Cameron), and with the exception of Beckett and his bad back, the Sox starters are finally getting the job done. Should be an interesting summer.

One question mark is Mike Lowell. With Papi and Youk both on a tear, there really is no regular place for him and by all accounts he isn't happy as backup/insurance. Hate to seem him go and I doubt they be able to get much from him, but my guess is he's traded or released by July 4th.


alloak41 - 5/27/2010 at 03:42 PM

No doubt they can score a lot of runs. Starting pitching is the question mark.


alloak41 - 5/27/2010 at 04:03 PM

Dude can hit, and hit when it matters...

.290 lifetime with RISP -- .299 with the bases juiced.


gondicar - 5/27/2010 at 06:41 PM

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No doubt they can score a lot of runs. Starting pitching is the question mark.

Which is funny because it is the exact opposite of what the "experts" were saying going into the season ("best starting rotation in baseball, but weak offensively"). I still think they have one of the stronger rotations in baseball with Lester, Beckett (hurt at the moment), Lackey, Buccholz, DiceK and Wakefield, they just need to pitch to past performance and expectations more than they have so far. The signs are good, Sox starters have allowed only 4 runs in their last 32 1/3 innings, which is not too shabby especially considering those innings were against 1st place teams.

[Edited on 5/27/2010 by gondicar]


gondicar - 5/27/2010 at 06:46 PM

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Ok, so the Sox just went 9-4 in a stretch of 13 games (11 on the road) in 13 days against contenders. They played three straight first-place teams to finish it off and went 7-1 against the Twins, Phillies and Rays. They gave up only 16 runs in those eight games. Big Papi has been one of the hottest hitters in baseball in May (another dinger last night), but even more impressive is the fact that Adrian Beltre is finally playing some gold glove defense and has probably been the most consistent Boston hitters all season. After his first 2 homer game of the season last night, consider this (from boston.com):

- His 12 total bases last night were the most for a Red Sox player since Kevin "Cowboy Up" Millar hit three homers against the Yankees on July 23, 2004.
- He is hitting .341 with a .371 on-base percentage. Nobody expected that.
- He is 16 of his last 31 and leads the Sox with 19 multi-hit games this season.

So which is the "real" Boston Red Sox for 2010, the team we saw in April or the team we have seen in May? Time will tell but the newcomers finally seem to be gelling, they are getting a few key guys back in the lineup (Ellsbury, Cameron), and with the exception of Beckett and his bad back, the Sox starters are finally getting the job done. Should be an interesting summer.

One question mark is Mike Lowell. With Papi and Youk both on a tear, there really is no regular place for him and by all accounts he isn't happy as backup/insurance. Hate to seem him go and I doubt they be able to get much from him, but my guess is he's traded or released by July 4th.


I doubt he will be released, then they get nothing. I'm sure they could make some sort of deal for him, but I think his days as a starter are over.


He doesn't think so, which is why they might just release him rather than have a malcontent taking up a roster spot for too much longer. The other GMs know the situation and that will make trading him for anything more than a bag of batting practice balls very difficult.


alloak41 - 5/28/2010 at 04:09 PM

The last time the Mets shutout an opponent three games in a row it was Philadelphia......And it was in 1969.


SmilingJack - 5/28/2010 at 05:40 PM

I went to the Rockies vs Diamondbacks game and saw the back to back to back home runs, which was pretty exciting. The first 2 were identical looking shots from lefties and since we were by home plate on the 3rd base side we had great seats to see them take off. It was a great day for a ball game and if you are in Denver you have to try to catch a game a Coors Field.


SmilingJack - 5/29/2010 at 06:19 PM

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I went to the Rockies vs Diamondbacks game and saw the back to back to back home runs, which was pretty exciting. The first 2 were identical looking shots from lefties and since we were by home plate on the 3rd base side we had great seats to see them take off. It was a great day for a ball game and if you are in Denver you have to try to catch a game a Coors Field.


I go to Coors every time I go to Colorado. I've been there about 5 or 6 times. I love that ballpark.

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I love it also. One of the great things about it is you can walk around the whole first level and see the game from everywhere while on the outside there are vendors, stores, a brewpub, a kid's area with store and food stand etc. I like to go stand behind home plate for an inning and watch the pitching. I mainly sit behind the visitor dugout 3 rows back.
Dodgers broke Rockies 5 game win streak yesterday.


bob1954 - 5/30/2010 at 01:27 AM

Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


alloak41 - 5/30/2010 at 01:35 AM

That's two perfect games in twenty days. Amazing!


WharfRat - 5/30/2010 at 01:25 PM

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Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


Did I ever mention how happy I am that this guy is out of the AL East?


bob1954 - 5/30/2010 at 01:34 PM

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Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


Did I ever mention how happy I am that this guy is out of the AL East?

I'm glad he's out of the AL period. But his best days are behind him now. Shot his wad. He's just a shadow of his former self. Yeah, that's it, the guy's a chump.


WharfRat - 5/30/2010 at 01:39 PM

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Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


Did I ever mention how happy I am that this guy is out of the AL East?

I'm glad he's out of the AL period. But his best days are behind him now. Shot his wad. He's just a shadow of his former self. Yeah, that's it, the guy's a chump.


Or not


bob1954 - 5/30/2010 at 01:42 PM

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Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


Did I ever mention how happy I am that this guy is out of the AL East?

I'm glad he's out of the AL period. But his best days are behind him now. Shot his wad. He's just a shadow of his former self. Yeah, that's it, the guy's a chump.


Or not

Just trying to convince myself, that's all. Unless, of course, the Tigers pick him up. Then he'll be great! Hey, I wonder if the Phil's would be interested in trading him for Dontrelle Willis? Hmm???


WharfRat - 5/30/2010 at 01:44 PM

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Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


Did I ever mention how happy I am that this guy is out of the AL East?

I'm glad he's out of the AL period. But his best days are behind him now. Shot his wad. He's just a shadow of his former self. Yeah, that's it, the guy's a chump.


Or not

Just trying to convince myself, that's all. Unless, of course, the Tigers pick him up. Then he'll be great! Hey, I wonder if the Phil's would be interested in trading him for Dontrelle Willis? Hmm???


Not unless the Sillies GM is on crack


WharfRat - 5/30/2010 at 01:45 PM

Besides, the Yanks are trading Javy Vazquez even up for him.

Yea, thats the ticket


michaelsio - 5/30/2010 at 02:43 PM

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Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


Did I ever mention how happy I am that this guy is out of the AL East?

I'm glad he's out of the AL period. But his best days are behind him now. Shot his wad. He's just a shadow of his former self. Yeah, that's it, the guy's a chump.


Or not

Just trying to convince myself, that's all. Unless, of course, the Tigers pick him up. Then he'll be great! Hey, I wonder if the Phil's would be interested in trading him for Dontrelle Willis? Hmm???


Not unless the Sillies GM is on crack

No, we got rid of Ed Wade a few years ago.


alloak41 - 5/30/2010 at 04:45 PM

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Roy Halladay pitched a perfect game tonight! 114 pitches. Pretty amazing!


Did I ever mention how happy I am that this guy is out of the AL East?

I'm glad he's out of the AL period. But his best days are behind him now. Shot his wad. He's just a shadow of his former self. Yeah, that's it, the guy's a chump.


Or not

Just trying to convince myself, that's all. Unless, of course, the Tigers pick him up. Then he'll be great! Hey, I wonder if the Phil's would be interested in trading him for Dontrelle Willis? Hmm???


Not unless the Sillies GM is on crack

No, we got rid of Ed Wade a few years ago.


He's probably on thin ice in Houston for putting together such a bad ballclub.


alloak41 - 5/31/2010 at 02:32 AM

Pretty bizarre deal in Anaheim yesterday. Kendry Morales breaks his leg jumping on home plate to celebrate a walk off grand slam. The Angels, already a little weak on offense, lose their best player celebrating a GWHR. He's the Chester Marcol of MLB!


alloak41 - 5/31/2010 at 02:57 AM

Nobody got hurt this time.


leafsfan - 5/31/2010 at 04:35 AM

How about them Blue Jays!!!!!

I think GWB had a hand in the Jays being so bad these past few years. Change of administration has done a world of good for them Taranha Blue Jays!!!


alloak41 - 5/31/2010 at 02:50 PM

Moving out of the Metrodome doesn't appear to have hurt the Twins. Sitting in 1st place, 18-9 at home.


leafsfan - 6/1/2010 at 05:02 AM

Jays over Rays!!!!


alloak41 - 6/1/2010 at 05:38 PM

Braves in first place! The Phillies picked a bad time to go into a slump.


leafsfan - 6/1/2010 at 06:51 PM

Jays would be first in 3 of 6 divisions and are one game back in other two. Being stuck in the AL east sucks!!!

Not sure who in Taranaha a"greed" to being stuck with Red Sox and Yankees but man when every year you know your team is going to have travel an almost impo$$ible road to get to the playoffs there is no way you can question folks not showing up to the park.

Kudo's to TB Rays they are on fire.


leafsfan - 6/2/2010 at 04:45 AM

http://www.torontosun.com/sunshinegirl/2010/06/01/14208156.html#prev

This Cdn girls makes up for Jays blowing lead in the 9th tonite.


DanB - 6/2/2010 at 02:04 PM




did she hatch that baseball


alloak41 - 6/3/2010 at 02:28 AM

What a terrible call at first base tonight in Detroit. Two outs, bottom of the ninth and Armondo Galarraga loses a PERFECT GAME on an easy ground ball play. The replay shows the runner out by at least a step. The umpire has admitted he blew the call and cost the guy a perfect game. Unreal.


Lee - 6/3/2010 at 11:15 AM

Die-Hard Tigers fans here.

I was watching the game live for the last three innings, hanging on every pitch. That call made me just sick to my stomach. It's a good thing I was in a bar watching it cuz if I had been watching it at home I would be at Best Buy this morning replacing a destroyed TV.

If there's any silver lining to this it's that I HOPE we finally get instant replay. All of the other major sports have it, why can't Bud Selig pull his head out of his ass? They did finally institute it for fair/foul homers, but only after several wrong calls in the playoffs.


gondicar - 6/3/2010 at 11:57 AM

Bud Selig should step in and reverse that call and put the perfect game in the record books. I doubt anyone would seriously object. But we know he has no spine and would never do it (come on Bud, prove me wrong!).


gondicar - 6/3/2010 at 12:01 PM

It appears reports of Big Papi's demise were premature (2 for 2 with 2 BBs and game winning HR last night)...

David Ortiz was named the American League Player for May (Jon Lester was named AL Pitcher of the month). In 23 games in May, Ortiz hit .363 (29-80) with four doubles, 10 home runs, 16 runs scored and 27 RBI. The 34-year-old also posted a Major League-best .788 slugging percentage and a .424 on-base percentage. Last month marked the second time in his career that he has tallied at least 10 homers, 25 RBI, and a .350 batting average in a calendar month, previously accomplished in June of 2004.


fanfrom-71 - 6/3/2010 at 12:14 PM

Rays over Jays!!!!


bob1954 - 6/3/2010 at 12:59 PM

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Die-Hard Tigers fans here.

I was watching the game live for the last three innings, hanging on every pitch. That call made me just sick to my stomach. It's a good thing I was in a bar watching it cuz if I had been watching it at home I would be at Best Buy this morning replacing a destroyed TV.

If there's any silver lining to this it's that I HOPE we finally get instant replay. All of the other major sports have it, why can't Bud Selig pull his head out of his ass? They did finally institute it for fair/foul homers, but only after several wrong calls in the playoffs.

I'm going to be at the game in Detroit this afternoon in the eigth row behind homeplate. I think Jim Joyce (the wrong call umpire) is behind the plate for this game, so it should be interesting. I actually feel worse for Joyce than I do Galaraga. Everyone knows that Galaraga threw a perfect game and they admire him for it, but the poor ump will have to live with this for the rest of his life. It was his career defining moment.

As for instant replays, personally I'm not in favor of going that route. I like the human element of umpiring.


Lee - 6/3/2010 at 01:09 PM

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I'm going to be at the game in Detroit this afternoon in the eigth row behind homeplate. I think Jim Joyce (the wrong call umpire) is behind the plate for this game, so it should be interesting. I actually feel worse for Joyce than I do Galaraga. Everyone knows that Galaraga threw a perfect game and they admire him for it, but the poor ump will have to live with this for the rest of his life. It was his career defining moment.

As for instant replays, personally I'm not in favor of going that route. I like the human element of umpiring.



Yes, he is the home plate ump today. I hear what you're saying on feeling bad for the guy and the human element but there's gotta be a way to fix a blatantly bad call or two a game.

Further, if there had been a way to correct that call, then Jim Joyce's legacy wouldn't be for that missed call. Apparently he's a really good ump.

[Edited on 6/3/2010 by Lee]


Brendan - 6/3/2010 at 01:15 PM

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Butter face.


WharfRat - 6/3/2010 at 01:30 PM

I am against instant replay... But continued situations like last night could change my mind.

IMO, Bud should give it to the kid.
But like Scott said, Bud has no backbone whatsoever, so that will never happen.


gondicar - 6/3/2010 at 01:37 PM

Anyone else see Galarraga's interview afterwards? He was amazingly positive and upbeat, bascially said "umps are human and we all make mistakes, no need to dwell on it or get upset about it". He even gave Jim Joyce a hug when Joyce came up to him to apologize. Very classy.

Yep, Bud could make this right if only he had the balls to do it, which we know he doesn't. Would not impact the game at all, and even though Jason Donald would lose a hit I doubt even he would object. Three perfectos in one season, crazy!


Lee - 6/3/2010 at 01:38 PM

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I am against instant replay... But continued situations like last night could change my mind.

IMO, Bud should give it to the kid.
But like Scott said, Bud has no backbone whatsoever, so that will never happen.



Been listening to talk radio this morning and to your point about giving it to him, some guy addressed that and said yeah but what if the guy that got the hit had a hitting streak going? Interesting point.

I don't think you can un-do something a day after the fact. I just want the correct call made on the field/court/ice.


gondicar - 6/3/2010 at 02:12 PM

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I don't think you can un-do something a day after the fact. I just want the correct call made on the field/court/ice.


They can, and do. Official scorers change hits to errors and vice versa after the play quite often, and sometimes even after the game is done. Think replay has anything to do with that even though it can't "officially" be used for anything other than the HR calls? (I don't know if it ever has, but that kind of reversal could certainly impact a no-hitter or a batter on a hitting streak). The commish should step in and fix this, IMO.

(and it just happened in the NBA as well...C's center Perkins was incorrectly T'd up for a flagrant elbow foul in game 5 of the Magic series. If it stood he would have had to sit out game 6. But the next day upon review the T was reversed/negated after the game and he was allowed to play (although now if he get's a T in the Finals, it will indeed cost him a game).



[Edited on 6/3/2010 by gondicar]


alloak41 - 6/3/2010 at 02:28 PM

Maybe open up replays for stat calls only if no hits have been allowed past the seventh inning. Something like that would have prevented this mistake.


Lee - 6/3/2010 at 02:43 PM

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A hit or error is different as it is a stats call and doesn't have any effect on the outcome of the game.



Correct. The official scorer can change a hit to an error or vice versa after the fact but Otie is correct.


michaelsio - 6/3/2010 at 03:44 PM

Looks like it's being reviewed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100603/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bba_joyce_s_call


gondicar - 6/3/2010 at 05:13 PM

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I don't think you can un-do something a day after the fact. I just want the correct call made on the field/court/ice.


They can, and do. Official scorers change hits to errors and vice versa after the play quite often, and sometimes even after the game is done. Think replay has anything to do with that even though it can't "officially" be used for anything other than the HR calls? The commish should step in and fix this, IMO.

(and it just happened in the NBA as well...C's center Perkins was incorrectly T'd up for a flagrant elbow foul in game 5 of the Magic series. If it stood he would have had to sit out game 6. But upon review the T was reversed/negated after the game and he was allowed to play (although now if he get's a T in the Finals, it will indeed cost him a game).

[Edited on 6/3/2010 by gondicar]


A hit or error is different as it is a stats call and doesn't have any effect on the outcome of the game. The problem with replay is who decides to look at it? Right now, only the umpires can decide to look at HR replays. The manager can ask but the final decision is up to the umpires. If replays are allowed, how many can be used and who decides when to use replay? There are complaints about the length of games now, how much time would this add?


I'm NOT advocating expanded use of in-game replays. I used the scorer's changes as an example of calls do indeed do get changed (with the help of instant replay), and while not impacting the win/loss outcome of the game, scorer's changes do impact statistics of pitchers and hitter and could impact milestones like no-hitters and hitting streaks. In that regard I see this this situation as similar, i.e. changing Joyce's call would have no impact to win/loss outcome or any other "team" aspect of the game, and would only impact individual stats of the pitcher and batter, much like changing an error to a hit or vice versa would.


leafsfan - 6/3/2010 at 05:20 PM

MLB should have instant replay.


fensranger - 6/3/2010 at 07:28 PM

what is truly amazing is how could anyone even dream up this situation. I was viewing the last innning on ESPN last night and couldnt believe my eyes. I guess its just a part of the game-


spacemonkey - 6/3/2010 at 09:13 PM

How much did Houston play Guzman? 3 errors , dropping a fly ball with 2 outs in the ninth to lose it for the Nats.

I thought Riggleman is about Defense. Why is he even playing a slacker like Guzman?


leafsfan - 6/3/2010 at 10:09 PM

Bud Selig is an ass. Could have been a great story, baseball rights a wrong, baseball has a heart its not all $$$ and butts in seats. Baseball understands that the fan wants this corrected and we'll go along with the fans.


MundeleinHoward - 6/3/2010 at 10:10 PM



So Selig showed his lack of backbone by not reversing the blown call & making it a perfecto for Galarraga, WHAT A CHUMP!!!


IPowrie - 6/3/2010 at 10:46 PM

As a longtime Tigers fan it sucked the ump made the wrong call but having the commissioner overturning it would have been wrong. If he did it would open the floodgates for having him overturning calls and to me that would ruin the integrity of the game


MundeleinHoward - 6/3/2010 at 11:17 PM

I agree with the spirit of your post, but I mean just this call as umpire Joyce admitted he blew the call.


sonnystang - 6/3/2010 at 11:24 PM

Howard has a PM>


bob1954 - 6/4/2010 at 12:41 AM

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As a longtime Tigers fan it sucked the ump made the wrong call but having the commissioner overturning it would have been wrong. If he did it would open the floodgates for having him overturning calls and to me that would ruin the integrity of the game



You are absolutely right. This call did not effect the outcome of the game. At what point to you draw the line?

Here's another Tigers fan that agrees it would be wrong to reverse the call. It is what it is.

I was at the the game today. They had Galarraga come out for a hat wave and big standing ovation. Then they presented him with a brand new Corvette convertible. When the umpire crew was introduced they were met with mostly applause but a few boos mixed in. Galarraga brought the line-up card out to Joyce and they shook hands and even had a little hug. It was dealt with in a classy fashion all the way by the players, umps, and fans.

I only wish they had saved the money on the car and given the fans free beer instead. I'm sure Armando can afford a Corvette, but I have a hard time paying for stadium beer.


alloak41 - 6/4/2010 at 12:53 AM

In the mind of baseball fans, Galaragga pitched a perfect game even though it didn't go into the books.


bob1954 - 6/4/2010 at 01:01 AM

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As a longtime Tigers fan it sucked the ump made the wrong call but having the commissioner overturning it would have been wrong. If he did it would open the floodgates for having him overturning calls and to me that would ruin the integrity of the game



You are absolutely right. This call did not effect the outcome of the game. At what point to you draw the line?

Here's another Tigers fan that agrees it would be wrong to reverse the call. It is what it is.

I was at the the game today. They had Galarraga come out for a hat wave and big standing ovation. Then they presented him with a brand new Corvette convertible. When the umpire crew was introduced they were met with mostly applause but a few boos mixed in. Galarraga brought the line-up card out to Joyce and they shook hands and even had a little hug. It was dealt with in a classy fashion all the way by the players, umps, and fans.

I only wish they had saved the money on the car and given the fans free beer instead. I'm sure Armando can afford a Corvette, but I have a hard time paying for stadium beer.


When you pitch a perfect game, the Tigers will give you a free beer.

When I pitch a perfect game I think I'll opt for the Corvette.


spacemonkey - 6/4/2010 at 08:07 AM

I am not so sure the call was so awful.

The worst call ever as some Detroit headlines say? No way.

In one replay I could see the first baseman bobbling the ball , it was pretty close when he had control.
The one replay that shows him touching the base ahead of the runner doesn't show the ball bouncing
around in the glove.

The call could have gone either way in my mind. The Umpire doesn't get slow motion replays
until after the game is over. And That is the right thing in my mind.

No fan of Selig. but I agree with his leaving the box score stand is the right thing for the integrity of the game.

I applaud the sportsmanship of both the umpire and Pitcher after the game.




gondicar - 6/4/2010 at 12:26 PM

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If he did it would open the floodgates for having him overturning calls and to me that would ruin the integrity of the game


Why would it open the floodgates? How would it "ruin the integrity of the game"? I've been hearing those arguements, and in my view they just don't hold water. This is a unique situation, and I'm pretty sure it is within the purvue of the commisioner to address it. If Bud did the right thing and reversed the call, then the next time there is a perfect game, which is one of the rarest feats in the 100+ year history of the game, that is compromised by an obviously blown call (that EVERYONE agrees was a blown call) on what would have been the very last out of the game with the final out being made on the very next batter with no stolen bases or other stats accumulated in the meantime, and reversing the call would have no impact on the outcome of the game, the standings, or any other team measurement and would only impact the stats of the pitcher and batter involved, then you can say "I told ya so" and I'll say "you're right, I guess that really did open the floodgates after all". But given that this is a situation that has never occurred in the history of the game, and this set of circumstances is so specific and so rare that it might never occur again, I believe the floodgates are not at risk of being thrown open at all and that the integrity of the game would have been better served by having the commish step in a change it.

That said, I will actually be pretty dissapointed if this leads to more instant replay during games, as Bud has seemed to suggest could happen. That is exactly the floodgate that should NOT be opened, IMO. This should have been handled as a unique, one-off situation, but I'm afraid now it is going to be used as a platform for pro-replay folks to push for more use of in-game replay.



[Edited on 6/4/2010 by gondicar]


bob1954 - 6/4/2010 at 01:02 PM

Hey, I made the front page of the Detroit Free Press this morning! Big guy standing, dark shirt with white letters, Tigers cap, white beard, right over Galarraga's elbow. That's me. Never dreamed this incident would make me famous.


leafsfan - 6/4/2010 at 02:14 PM

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Hey, I made the front page of the Detroit Free Press this morning! Big guy standing, dark shirt with white letters, Tigers cap, white beard, right over Galarraga's elbow. That's me. Never dreamed this incident would make me famous.


Looks like you misplaced your razor.


Lee - 6/5/2010 at 02:08 PM

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I am not so sure the call was so awful.

The worst call ever as some Detroit headlines say? No way.

In one replay I could see the first baseman bobbling the ball , it was pretty close when he had control.
The one replay that shows him touching the base ahead of the runner doesn't show the ball bouncing
around in the glove.

The call could have gone either way in my mind. The Umpire doesn't get slow motion replays
until after the game is over. And That is the right thing in my mind.

No fan of Selig. but I agree with his leaving the box score stand is the right thing for the integrity of the game.

I applaud the sportsmanship of both the umpire and Pitcher after the game.







I was watching it live and when he was called safe I too thought it was cuz he thought it was bobbled.

He NEVER bobbled it. "Sno-coned" it perhaps but always had control.

And the runner was out by a good stride. Not sure how you can say this could have gone either way. You might be the only person that feels that way.

Having said that, I'm glad the lousy commish didn't overturn it. A call is a call.


bob1954 - 6/6/2010 at 12:10 AM

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That sounds like an out to me. Did you mean to say he was out?


spacemonkey - 6/6/2010 at 12:20 AM

Perhaps Lee's HD tv is better than youtube grainy replays.

It looked to ME like he bobbled it. he still could have been out.


leafsfan - 6/6/2010 at 01:19 AM

Jays over Wankers in 14. Okay, Okay, Blue Jays, Blue Jays!!!! Lets kick Yankees ass. LOL


jehmutt - 6/6/2010 at 02:11 AM

How about Jamie Moyer with a complete game against San Diego? 47 years old, 2CG's this season. Tip of the hat.


goldtop - 6/7/2010 at 12:17 AM

I'm hoping for no June swoon for the Giants...just 2.5 back at 30 - 25. They need to get to at least 500 ball on the road 14 - 18 now but 19 -11 at home. They just won 2 out of 3 in Pittsburgh and now 4 straight in Cincinnati. Before coming home to an A's Giants weekend


goldtop - 6/7/2010 at 12:23 AM

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No I don't think any sport should have instant replay...I think human error should be a part of it...If we didn't place so much importance on a game we could keep life in a better perspective....It's only game....It's not suppose to be perfect....But with all the money put down on it, it will come to baseball too just like the DH did to draw people to the AL game because they wanted more home runs and less junk ball...but junk ball was cool and people didn't get it....Al baseball was sooo much better before the DH....All these sports were better when they were sports and not spectacles....It was a sad error on the part of the ump....it's happened before...no one died....


Lee - 6/7/2010 at 10:49 AM

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Perhaps Lee's HD tv is better than youtube grainy replays.

It looked to ME like he bobbled it. he still could have been out.





He was out. Shoulda been out anyway. Geez....


goldtop - 6/9/2010 at 05:09 AM

Giants just 1.5 back and have won 5 our their last 6 and the last 3 in a row....Just 1 game under 500 on the road...If they sweep the Reds they can get over the 500 hump on the road but their play in the NL West is horrid...they really need to step up against the Rockies and Dodgers


WharfRat - 6/9/2010 at 01:20 PM

Strasburg.. 14K's?


Stephen - 6/9/2010 at 02:50 PM

There was an article comparing his Washington debut with that of the Big Train back in the day -- not many got to be as great as Walter Johnson but this kid doesn't look like he'll be a flash in the pan either -- they've brought him along well -- Jacobs Field, I mean .com Stadium will probably be filled to capacity when he pitches there Sat. -- cool to see a phee-nom come into the league now & then -- anyone remember David Clyde, who pitched for his high school one week & the Texas Rangers the next, back in the 70s sometime -- he didn't prove out though

Go Sox

[Edited on 6/10/2010 by Stephen]

[Edited on 6/14/2010 by Stephen]


Stephen - 6/14/2010 at 03:08 PM

Awesome game last night -- little could top it, a pitching duel like that & near-no hitter between two local teams -- great stuff

latest entries in the hurtie hall of fame -- what is heartburn to us mere mortals, put Milwaukee P Doug Davis on the DL -- w/"inflammation of the heart lining"

another in the latest new-injury trend -- the Reds Brandon Phillips, scratched w/a "hamstring cramp" -- wha????? that's a first on me -- just like the inflamed finger tendons, strained hip flexors (Gabe Kapler), right collateral strain of the left knee miniscus, soreness of oblique section of right ribcage yadadada --

A 70+ year old senior athlete showed up at my office recently with a knot on his knee that would have sidelined for weeks, a pro baseball player -- it didn't this person (a top athlete who's in all the Sr. Olympics etc) -- these are pro athletes, there's no excuse for having all these BS injuries -- DiceK, warms up the other day for his start, then "no no -- hurti" w/what they called a forearm strain

but not to be hypocritical -- that was an awesome game last night

GO SOX -- Beckett (back strain), Ellsbury (they don't know) have the typical injuries -- but it's all you Sawx


Stephen - 6/15/2010 at 12:00 AM

There's no such thing as a non-serious baseball injury -- no matter what it is, a stubbed toe, bad knee -- even the slightest injury renders these athletes dysfunctional -- I'd never heard of inflammation of the heart lining before -- baseball players are always coming up with previously unheard-of injuries/body parts etc

Heartburn I've had before seems to have been in that general area -- it means nothing -- especially HOW I went about getting my heartburn

Go Sox


WharfRat - 6/15/2010 at 12:39 AM

quote:
Stephen, inflamation of the heart lining is not heartburn. Heartburn actually has nothing to do with the heart. Inflamation of the heart lining can be a serious thing.


Doug also had thyroid Cancer a few years ago.. Doubt it is related tho..


bob1954 - 6/15/2010 at 01:47 PM

Jim Joyce named game's best ump, despite blown Galarraga call
By 'Duk

Right or wrong, it's the tendency of fans to only notice an umpire when he blows a big call.

I would've assumed ballplayers might evaluate blue in a similar manner, but it looks like their close proximity and frequent exposure to the game's officials actually allows a more fair and balanced view of the group.

After all, how else can you explain Jim Joyce being voted the game's best umpire in a survey of 100 big league players conducted after he cost Armando Galarraga(notes) his perfect game with a missed call at first?

ESPN said Sunday that 50 active players from each league were asked confidentially within the past week to select the three best umpires in baseball. Joyce was named on 53 percent of the surveys, topping Tim McClelland (34 percent).

"The sad thing about the Galarraga game is, Jim Joyce is seriously one of the best umpires around," one player told ESPN in its full report. "He always calls it fair, so players love him. Everyone makes mistakes, and it's terrible that this happened to him."

What's interesting is that McClelland was also involved in a memorably bad call — I deemed it the worst of all time because the right call seemed so clearly obvious — during last fall's American League Championship Series between the Angels and Yankees. But the overall reputations of the two umpires, culled from years of respecting the game and their craft, were able to survive the worst day they've ever spent at work. It's almost as if each survey participant cited the blogosphere's favorite qualification — "small sample size!" — before responding.

At the same time, C.B. Bucknor and Cowboy Joe West were named the game's worst umpires by the players, and I suspect the results would be the same if you asked the fans. Their sustained suckitude is apparently a lot more visible to everyone than one botched call that grabs headlines. Probably as it should be.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Jim-Joyce-named-game- s-best-ump-despite-blown-G?urn=mlb,248168


MundeleinHoward - 6/15/2010 at 04:49 PM


On this day in baseball history ..

1938 - Johnny Vander Meer stuns baseball by pitching his second successive no-hitter, defeating the Dodgers 6-0, as Brooklyn plays the first night game ever at Ebbets Field. In front of 38,748 fans, including spectator Babe Ruth, Vandy strikes out seven and walks eight, including three walks in the ninth. A force at home and a fly ball end the game.

1976 - Rain out! The scheduled game at the Astrodome is canceled when heavy rains make it difficult for the visiting team and umpires to get through flooded streets to the stadium.


alloak41 - 6/15/2010 at 05:34 PM

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1976 - Rain out! The scheduled game at the Astrodome is canceled when heavy rains make it difficult for the visiting team and umpires to get through flooded streets to the stadium.


I remember that. Actually the players made it in, the Astros and Pittsburgh (I think), but were then trapped at the Dome. They ended up having a BBQ at the homeplate area....Umpires, fans, and press were not able to get to the stadium, and they ended up calling it a rain "in"


Bhawk - 6/16/2010 at 01:11 PM

Royals score 15 runs...


END TIMES!


WharfRat - 6/16/2010 at 01:25 PM

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Royals score 15 runs...


In a week!



gondicar - 6/21/2010 at 01:34 PM

What a beast of a division in the AL East. The top 3 teams in the AL East would all be in first place in any other division in baseball.

I'm amazed the Red Sox have clawed back like they have after the slow start in early April. Not only do they currently have the best overall offensive stats in the majors (in what most said was supposed to be a down year for them offensively), Boston also has the best record in baseball since the 3rd week of April, and that is depsite a slew of injuries in the outfield (Ellsbury has played in only 9 games, Cameron was out for an extended period, and now Drew is banged up as usual...unknowns/journeymen like Nava, Hall, and McDonald have been carrying the load), not to mention without having an effective Josh Beckett. Pretty amazing that they are in 2nd place, just 1 game out (and, like I said above, they'd be in 1st place in any other division).


alloak41 - 6/22/2010 at 02:07 AM

The Red Sox have battled back, no question. Exactly one month ago they were 22-21 and in 4th place 8 1/2 half back. Now 43-28, they have picked up 7 1/2 games in a month. Pretty amazing run.


gondicar - 6/22/2010 at 12:45 PM

Ok, so I sat down to watch the yanks last night. The 1st inning went about pretty much as I would have expected, then I fell alseep. How did it end up?


bob1954 - 6/25/2010 at 09:07 PM

The wife and I are in Atlanta for the weekend Braves-Tigers 3 game series. Go Tigers! The thermometer on the car read 102 degrees as we pulled into town this afternoon. Ugh. At least we don't have to play...it will be hard enough just to sit in the heat. But we'll be representing in full Tigers regalia, hoping to take at least 2 of 3. Tigers are starting LHP Andrew Oliver in his major league debut, just called up from AA Erie to replace Porcello who was sent down to AAA Toledo.


WharfRat - 6/25/2010 at 11:52 PM

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Did anyone see that tirade that Zambrano threw in Chicago today? If this doesn't get him traded/released/suspended, I'll be surprised.


What an ass..

He supposedly "turn over a new leaf" over the off season.

So much for that eh?


DanB - 6/26/2010 at 01:04 AM

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Did anyone see that tirade that Zambrano threw in Chicago today? If this doesn't get him traded/released/suspended, I'll be surprised.


The Yankees appear to be frontrunners for Z. Big George said the kid has moxie.


WharfRat - 6/26/2010 at 01:43 AM

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Did anyone see that tirade that Zambrano threw in Chicago today? If this doesn't get him traded/released/suspended, I'll be surprised.


The Yankees appear to be frontrunners for Z. Big George said the kid has moxie.


Big George aint callin the shots no more


DanB - 6/26/2010 at 02:49 AM

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Did anyone see that tirade that Zambrano threw in Chicago today? If this doesn't get him traded/released/suspended, I'll be surprised.


The Yankees appear to be frontrunners for Z. Big George said the kid has moxie.


Big George aint callin the shots no more




Could you imagine Z acting that way with Billy Martin as his manager? That would be one big fight.


WharfRat - 6/26/2010 at 02:51 AM

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Did anyone see that tirade that Zambrano threw in Chicago today? If this doesn't get him traded/released/suspended, I'll be surprised.


The Yankees appear to be frontrunners for Z. Big George said the kid has moxie.


Big George aint callin the shots no more




Could you imagine Z acting that way with Billy Martin as his manager? That would be one big fight.


If Billy didnt knock Big Z on his ass, Munson would have


WharfRat - 6/26/2010 at 02:58 AM

No.

Well, Z is a big dude.

They would have to call in Goose for backup

[Edited on 6/26/2010 by WharfRat]


WharfRat - 6/26/2010 at 03:01 AM

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How about Edwin Jackson tonight? 149 pitch no-hitter. Somewhere in Texas, Nolan Ryan is smiling.


The year of the pitcher.. I LOVE it!


WharfRat - 6/26/2010 at 03:02 AM

Anyone see the scores of the last 2 games Strasburg has started??

I believe the scores were 2-1, and 1-0.
Both losses.

Way to pick up the kid eh?


alloak41 - 6/26/2010 at 03:10 AM

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The year of the pitcher.. I LOVE it!


Amen. Back to real baseball.


WharfRat - 6/26/2010 at 03:11 AM

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Somewhere in Texas, Nolan Ryan is smiling.


As is Bob Gibson


WharfRat - 6/26/2010 at 03:12 AM

I HATE watching the Dodgers.. was just reminded why.


alloak41 - 6/26/2010 at 03:40 AM

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No.

Well, Z is a big dude.

They would have to call in Goose for backup

[Edited on 6/26/2010 by WharfRat]


Just let Winfield handle it


BIGV - 6/26/2010 at 04:19 AM

Still, patiently waiting for the wheels to fall off the Padres wagon......I'm just accustomed to it I guess...


DanB - 6/26/2010 at 01:22 PM

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Still, patiently waiting for the wheels to fall off the Padres wagon......I'm just accustomed to it I guess...


July's coming


bob1954 - 6/27/2010 at 02:36 PM

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Anyone see that final pitch in the Braves-Tigers game? It should have been ball 4 and the game should have been tied. The pitch was about a foot outside and called strike 3, game over, Braves win. Wasn't even close. The umpire had the call made while the pitch was in the air rather than wait until it was caught. If the Tigers finish 1 game out or the Braves win by one game, it will be on that umpire.

I was at the game. Even the Braves fans were shaking their heads after that call.


Lee - 6/28/2010 at 03:23 PM

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Anyone see that final pitch in the Braves-Tigers game? It should have been ball 4 and the game should have been tied. The pitch was about a foot outside and called strike 3, game over, Braves win. Wasn't even close. The umpire had the call made while the pitch was in the air rather than wait until it was caught. If the Tigers finish 1 game out or the Braves win by one game, it will be on that umpire.



Just like Jim Joyce on the Galarraga "perfect" game, the ump admitted he missed the call. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Not the same of course, but way worse than the Joyce call.


bob1954 - 6/28/2010 at 07:35 PM

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Anyone see that final pitch in the Braves-Tigers game? It should have been ball 4 and the game should have been tied. The pitch was about a foot outside and called strike 3, game over, Braves win. Wasn't even close. The umpire had the call made while the pitch was in the air rather than wait until it was caught. If the Tigers finish 1 game out or the Braves win by one game, it will be on that umpire.



Just like Jim Joyce on the Galarraga "perfect" game, the ump admitted he missed the call. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Not the same of course, but way worse than the Joyce call.

Yes, it was way worse than the Joyce call because, unlike the Joyce call, it impacted the outcome of the game. I attended all three games of the series. On Sunday Braves fans were actually apologizing to me about the bad call. The thing is, the game would never of even gotten to that point if the Atlanta bullpen hadn't screwed up so badly...walking the bases loaded, then walking in a run, and then if the right call had been made they would have walked in the tying run. Wow!


WharfRat - 6/29/2010 at 11:23 AM

Anyone see the clip of Joel Zumaya last night??

I am thinking that is the last we see of him.. scary stuff there.


bob1954 - 6/29/2010 at 11:32 AM

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Anyone see the clip of Joel Zumaya last night??

I am thinking that is the last we see of him.. scary stuff there.

We'll know more today. He throws so hard I think he just self-destructed. Maybe he has a future as a knuckleballer.


gondicar - 6/29/2010 at 11:55 AM

This release from the Sox:

Red Sox right-handed pitcher Clay Buchholz, second baseman Dustin Pedroia and catcher Victor Martinez were examined today by the team’s medical staff. Below are updates on each player:

After undergoing an MRI earlier today, Clay Buchholz has been diagnosed with a left hamstring strain. He is not scheduled to start this week at Fenway Park, but there are no plans to place him on the disabled list. Buchholz suffered the injury running the bases in the top of the second inning during his start on Saturday in San Francisco.

Dustin Pedroia was examined by Red Sox Medical Director Dr. Thomas Gill who confirmed that he has a non-displaced fracture of the medial navicular bone in his left foot. Pedroia was placed on the 15-day disabled list on Saturday after suffering the injury Friday night in San Francisco when he fouled a ball off his left foot in the top of the third inning. He is not expected to require surgery. The usual timetable for this injury is approximately six weeks to return to play.

Victor Martinez also underwent further examination which revealed a minimally displaced fracture on the tip of his left thumb. He is also not expected to require surgery. Martinez left yesterday’s game in San Francisco after the third inning due to the injury which was sustained after having two foul balls hit off his thumb while he was behind the plate. There will be no roster move today regarding Martinez. But sources told the Globe that the Red Sox will place him on the 15-day disabled list tomorrow. Gustavo Molina, who was not in the lineup for Triple-A Pawtucket tonight, is expected to be called up.


bob1954 - 6/29/2010 at 07:11 PM

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Anyone see the clip of Joel Zumaya last night??

I am thinking that is the last we see of him.. scary stuff there.

We'll know more today. He throws so hard I think he just self-destructed. Maybe he has a future as a knuckleballer.


From the Detroit Tigers website:

"Tigers reliever Joel Zumaya, who experienced a painful injury while pitching on Monday, will miss the remainder of the season because of a non-displaced fracture of the olecranon, a large bone in the elbow.

The club said that the injury to Zumaya's right elbow was diagnosed following X-Rays and an MRI earlier on Tuesday, and he was placed on the 15-day disabled list. He was not immediately available for comment, and the Tigers recalled right-hander Casey Fien to take his spot on the roster."


bob1954 - 6/29/2010 at 09:56 PM

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Does anyone else believe that Pujols has been juiced his whole career, and somehow avoided being named?


Actually, no I don't. Unfortunately, everyone who excels in baseball will be under that suspicion.

Especially if they are big. But I've never seen anything that would implicate Pujols, and I don't suspect it. I'd like to believe we're past the peak of steroid use.


WharfRat - 6/30/2010 at 12:43 AM

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Does anyone else believe that Pujols has been juiced his whole career, and somehow avoided being named?


Actually, no I don't. Unfortunately, everyone who excels in baseball will be under that suspicion.

Especially if they are big. But I've never seen anything that would implicate Pujols, and I don't suspect it. I'd like to believe we're past the peak of steroid use.


I really REALLY hope he isnt. I consider him the best in the game today..
Its not like he is hitting 80+ hrs or anything

And he has been pretty much injury free his whole career. If he was using, he would prolly be breaking down..


alloak41 - 6/30/2010 at 02:02 AM

A little off topic, but I was reading something interesting about Tom Seaver and how he worked the hitters. He didn't pay attention to scouting reports, but approached all hitters the same throughout his whole career.

If he was behind in the count he threw slower breaking stuff....ahead and they got the gas. At the same time, he threw the low pitches slower and and high pitches fast. Lastly, he threw cheese on the inside and slower stuff away.

He said he was amazed the hitters (or scouts) never quite figured out this pattern and never had to make any adjustments to it. Thought that was interesting..


WharfRat - 6/30/2010 at 02:17 AM

Guess that is why he is one of the best pitchers to ever step on a mound..


WharfRat - 6/30/2010 at 02:20 AM

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Some guys are so good that they can tell a hitter what's coming and he still won't hit it. Seaver, especially in his younger days, was one of those pitchers.


Add Kofax, Gibson and Ryan to that


bob1954 - 7/2/2010 at 01:46 PM

Tigers legend Kirk Gibson is new D-backs manager
Tony Paul / The Detroit News


Popular former Tiger Kirk Gibson finally is going to be a major league manager.

The Diamondbacks announced late Thursday night they have fired second-year manager A.J. Hinch and replaced him, at least on an interim basis, with bench coach Gibson, who last year stayed on staff amid another managerial shakeup.

Gibson, 53, was hired by Bob Melvin before the 2007 season and remained with Arizona last spring, even after Melvin was canned and general manager Josh Byrnes surprisingly hired Hinch, who had never before coached in the majors.

Byrnes also was fired Thursday.

Team president Derrick Hall, speaking to the Associated Press, called Thursday's firings "a first and major step in the re-evaluation of our team."



From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100702/SPORTS0104/7020384/Tigers-legend-Ki rk-Gibson-is-new-D-backs-manager#ixzz0sX4fQTRt


gondicar - 7/2/2010 at 05:12 PM

The Red Sox currently have 10 players on the disabled list, including five since added in the last week alone...Mike Lowell (hip), Pedroia (foot), Martinez (thumb), Delcarmen (elbow), and Varitek (foot). In all, the Sox have had players miss a total of 424 games (and counting) this season while on the disabled list.

And with all that, it is pretty amazing that they are only 1.5 out of 1st in the east and have a .5 game lead in the wildcard standings. Only the spanks and Rangers have better records in all of baseball at the moment. Three games with the Orioles this weekend could be exactly what the doctor ordered (pun intended).


gondicar - 7/2/2010 at 05:38 PM

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Most of those injuries are recent. We are now entering the hottest psrt of the season when the bench becomes more important. When you have Bill Hall playing second, Kevin Cash catching and Eric Patterson playing lf, how good can your bench be?


Yeah, like I said, 5 of the 10 went on the DL in the last week alone. But they been without Beckett for a while now (and don't forget DiceK started the season on the DL) so the rotation has not been intact (luckily it sounds like Buchholz won't miss a start with his hammy injury), and the starting outfield coming out of spring training have all been in and out of the lineup (mostly out) and has played something like 5 games together (anyone remember Jacoby Ellsbury? He's played a grand total of 9 games). Biggest problem is the bullpen, Oki and Ramierez have been aweful, and now with Delcarmen down they need to make a few moves there. Will be interesting to see if they can hold it together for the next few weeks until some of these guys start coming back.



[Edited on 7/2/2010 by gondicar]


Stephen - 7/2/2010 at 06:29 PM

"This day in baseball"
In one of the greatest pitching duels in baseball history, Warren Spahn, 42, and Juan Marichal pitched 16 scoreless innings July 2, 1963 at Candlestick Park, with the Giants beating the Braves 1-0 on Willie Mays' HR.
In an era of closely monitored pitch counts, relievers being paraded in and out of games regardless of the score or situation -- the Twins used no less than eight pitchers in their 5-4 loss last night to Tampa, who used six pitchers of their own -- and injury-prone pitchers suceptible to any and all maladies, this was the real thing -- pitching at its peak, when baseball was a game. Indeed, Spahnie himself said it years later, in this 1999 interview:
"Baseball has (since) made non-athletes out of pitchers, unfortunately,” Spahn said in July of 1999. “Why would I want my son to be a pitcher … when you pitch once a week, they count the pitches and you don’t get to hit and you don’t get to run the bases.”

That must've been outrageous to have witnessed the later innings of this pitching duel!!

OK, old-fogie rant overwith
GO SOX
Maybe their triple-A players will help in the short-term -- guess they're gonna have to

Happy holiday weekend

[Edited on 7/2/2010 by Stephen]


michaelsio - 7/3/2010 at 02:32 PM


gondicar - 7/4/2010 at 02:56 AM


alloak41 - 7/4/2010 at 04:36 AM

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Tigers legend Kirk Gibson is new D-backs manager


The D-Backs got shut out and made six errors in his debut...

Nowhere to go but up!


alloak41 - 7/4/2010 at 01:26 PM

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Tigers legend Kirk Gibson is new D-backs manager


The D-Backs got shut out and made six errors in his debut...

Nowhere to go but up!


His debut was yesterday and they won. Today, SSDD.


My bad, 1-1 then. Sorry Gibby.


goldtop - 7/4/2010 at 04:28 PM

The June swoon hit the Giants again this year and has rolled into early July...They snapped a 7 game losing streak yesterday so hopefully they will turn it around. Still over 500 and just 6.5 games back...


Lee - 7/5/2010 at 11:44 AM

All-Star Teams:

As it happens every year, certain deserving players get left off. Subjective of course but a few really puzzled me:

Konerko

Votto

Youkalis

Hopefully, that write-in thing will address a couple of those.


bob1954 - 7/5/2010 at 01:32 PM

Derek's Great Uncle:

Oldest living Tiger Virgil 'Fire' Trucks, 93, still following game
Terry Foster / The Detroit News


This is the second of a weekly series catching up with former Tigers players.

Right-handed pitcher Virgil "Fire" Trucks is the oldest living Tiger. He turned 93 in April and with age comes a number of ailments, including a right arm he can no longer raise above his head.

"I guess that shoulder has thrown its last pitch," Trucks joked from his home 20 miles south of Birmingham, Ala.

Trucks got his nickname because of a blazing fastball. He also enjoyed a pretty good slider and in 1952 became the No-hit Kid because he threw two of them, including one at famed Yankee Stadium where Hall of Fame outfielder Mickey Mantle was one of his final outs.

He also threw four no-hitters in the minor leagues.

Today, Trucks is a talkative retiree who enjoys going to church services with his second wife of nine years, Elizabeth Ann, and enjoying grandchildren who live nearby. Trucks used to enjoy annual trips to Detroit for card signings. He still gets fan mail from Tiger fans who request copies of his book, "Bringing Heat," which chronicles his life. The book has sold 1,500 copies and is on its second printing.

"It is mostly an autobiography about me growing up and my career in baseball and my family," Trucks said. "It is not on the Internet or anything. I just get requests from people who remember me from Detroit."

Trucks is excited because his 9-year-old grandson, Daniel Briggs, is a young pitcher and catcher who shows promise.

"I think he is going to be pretty good," Trucks said. "He loves the game. And that's important. If you don't love the game, you are not going to be any good."

Nobody can accuse Trucks of not loving the game. He finished his career with a 177-135 record and 3.39 ERA. Trucks pitched for the Tigers from 1941-43, enlisted in the armed forces, pitched again from 1945-52 and returned to Detroit for one more season in 1956.

Trucks had only two losing seasons in 17 years. One of those was a memorable 5-19 season in 1952, during which he threw his two no-hitters.

His first came against the Washington Senators during a 1-0 victory in Detroit. Teammate Vic Wertz hit a two-out solo home run off pitcher Bob Porterfield to give the Tigers the victory. It was tense for most of the afternoon because Porterfield pitched seven innings of no-hit ball.

The no-hitter later that season against the Yankees wasn't expected.

"The coaches saw the way I was pitching in warm-ups and said, 'You had better have the bullpen ready,' " Trucks said. "They didn't think I had anything, but when the game started, all I needed was my fastball. I had a good slider and a good change-up and you can win in the big leagues if you have three good pitches. That is what they are doing now. Some have 15 pitches but they can't throw them."

Trucks almost didn't get the no-hitter against the Yankees. Their shortstop, Phil Rizzuto, hit a ground ball to third baseman Johnny Pesky in the third inning. Pesky bobbled the ball slightly and threw late to first base. Official scorer John Drebinger first called it an error but changed it to a base hit after reporters in the press box pressured him. However, Drebinger questioned his decision and called down to the field in the seventh inning. Pesky told him the ball squirted away.

Drebinger changed the call back to an error in the seventh.

"You need your teammates to throw a no-hitter," Trucks said. "You don't do it by yourself."

Trucks doesn't travel much but he watches a lot of baseball. So far this season there have been four no-hitters, which doesn't include Armando Galarraga's perfect game against Cleveland, which was taken away by an umpire's blown call on what should have been the final out.

Trucks isn't surprised by all the no-hitters.

"The hitters don't know the strike zone," Trucks said. "They swing at pitches six to eight inches outside. It is easier to throw a no-hitter to people like that if you can throw it 90 miles per hour."

Trucks' most enjoyable no-hitter came in the Alabama-Florida League, where at age 19 he went 25-6 and led the league with a 1.25 ERA and struck out 417 hitters in 273 innings for the Andalusia (Ala.) Rams. He not only pitched a no-hitter against Evergreen but scored the winning run in the ninth after a single, sacrifice bunt and two wild pitches.

"That is something you never forget," Trucks said. "But I didn't celebrate too much after the game. I was 20 years old. There was nothing to celebrate. I just enjoyed the game."

After he retired from playing in 1958. Trucks coached for the Pirates, winning a World Series ring, and scouted for the Braves. He also worked in the Leeds (Ala.) Parks and Recreation Department.

terry.foster@detnews.com (313) 222-1494



From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100705/SPORTS0104/7050359/Oldest-living-Ti ger-Virgil--Fire--Trucks--93--still-following-game#ixzz0soYGN4zp


alloak41 - 7/5/2010 at 01:48 PM

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quote:
All-Star Teams:

As it happens every year, certain deserving players get left off. Subjective of course but a few really puzzled me:

Konerko

Votto

Youkalis

Hopefully, that write-in thing will address a couple of those.






You hit upon the problem. They are all 1st basemen. There are many 1st basemen who have had good seasons so far.


Playing for one of the managers can help, thus Ryan Howard goes and Votto stays home.


kathysbabysdaddy - 7/6/2010 at 12:40 AM

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quote:
quote:
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All-Star Teams:

As it happens every year, certain deserving players get left off. Subjective of course but a few really puzzled me:

Konerko

Votto

Youkalis

Hopefully, that write-in thing will address a couple of those.






You hit upon the problem. They are all 1st basemen. There are many 1st basemen who have had good seasons so far.


Playing for one of the managers can help, thus Ryan Howard goes and Votto stays home.



Votto is one of the 5 on the fan ballot. IMO, he should win that.


no, because it's the all-star game not the all-stats game for a half season


alloak41 - 7/6/2010 at 02:21 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
All-Star Teams:

As it happens every year, certain deserving players get left off. Subjective of course but a few really puzzled me:

Konerko

Votto

Youkalis

Hopefully, that write-in thing will address a couple of those.






You hit upon the problem. They are all 1st basemen. There are many 1st basemen who have had good seasons so far.


Playing for one of the managers can help, thus Ryan Howard goes and Votto stays home.


Votto is one of the 5 on the fan ballot. IMO, he should win that.


He hit number 20 tonight.


alloak41 - 7/6/2010 at 02:26 AM

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All-Star Teams:

As it happens every year, certain deserving players get left off. Subjective of course but a few really puzzled me:

Konerko

Votto

Youkalis

Hopefully, that write-in thing will address a couple of those.






You hit upon the problem. They are all 1st basemen. There are many 1st basemen who have had good seasons so far.


Playing for one of the managers can help, thus Ryan Howard goes and Votto stays home.


Votto is one of the 5 on the fan ballot. IMO, he should win that.


He hit number 20 tonight.


and 21


He's on fire. Tonights game will pull his average up to .315 or so.


emr - 7/6/2010 at 02:46 AM

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"This day in baseball"
In one of the greatest pitching duels in baseball history, Warren Spahn, 42, and Juan Marichal pitched 16 scoreless innings July 2, 1963 at Candlestick Park, with the Giants beating the Braves 1-0 on Willie Mays' HR.
In an era of closely monitored pitch counts, relievers being paraded in and out of games regardless of the score or situation -- the Twins used no less than eight pitchers in their 5-4 loss last night to Tampa, who used six pitchers of their own -- and injury-prone pitchers suceptible to any and all maladies, this was the real thing -- pitching at its peak, when baseball was a game. Indeed, Spahnie himself said it years later, in this 1999 interview:
"Baseball has (since) made non-athletes out of pitchers, unfortunately,” Spahn said in July of 1999. “Why would I want my son to be a pitcher … when you pitch once a week, they count the pitches and you don’t get to hit and you don’t get to run the bases.”

That must've been outrageous to have witnessed the later innings of this pitching duel!!

OK, old-fogie rant overwith
GO SOX
Maybe their triple-A players will help in the short-term -- guess they're gonna have to

Happy holiday weekend

[Edited on 7/2/2010 by Stephen]


I read an article on that game (? in SI) where Marichal talked about how the Giants wanted to pull him a few innings before the end, and he said you can;t take me out if they're leaving the old guy in the game


alloak41 - 7/6/2010 at 03:08 AM

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Indeed, Spahnie himself said it years later, in this 1999 interview:
"Baseball has (since) made non-athletes out of pitchers, unfortunately,” Spahn said in July of 1999. “Why would I want my son to be a pitcher … when you pitch once a week, they count the pitches and you don’t get to hit and you don’t get to run the bases.”


And a fine hitter he was, possibly the best hitting pitcher to ever play the game. Spahn hit 35 lifetime homeruns, and hit at least one per season for 17 straight years from 1948 thru 1964 (when he was 43 years old)


DanB - 7/6/2010 at 09:31 AM

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All-Star Teams:

As it happens every year, certain deserving players get left off. Subjective of course but a few really puzzled me:

Konerko

Votto

Youkalis

Hopefully, that write-in thing will address a couple of those.






You hit upon the problem. They are all 1st basemen. There are many 1st basemen who have had good seasons so far.


Playing for one of the managers can help, thus Ryan Howard goes and Votto stays home.



Votto is one of the 5 on the fan ballot. IMO, he should win that.


no, because it's the all-star game not the all-stats game for a half season


Hey DanB, have a few more drinks so you can be a complete ass.


How's that being an ass? It's a simple statement about an exhibition game in which the fans vote. Votto is having a good 1st half but it's more of popularity contest unless you're Omar Infante.


gondicar - 7/7/2010 at 12:42 PM

Kevin Youkilis left the game with an ankle injury last night. So at that point, 5 of the 9 guys on the field last night were not on the Red Sox opening day roster. Drew, Beltre, Scuturro, Cameron the only starters left (plus Ortiz at DH, who was intentionally walked 3 times in key situations to get at Youk's rookie replacement, some guy named Niuman Romero, who made an out each time including the last out of the game). Un-freakin-believeable.

Globe says Youk is ok...took a ball off the ankle playing the field and it "locked up" on during his next at bat. Says he'll play tonight so hopefully it is nothing.

Beckett scheduled for first rehab start for Pawtucket Sunday, and then will have a 2nd and if all goes well would return to the Sox around July 21.

Sox have a 3 game losing streak going, losing ground to yanks and Rays. Wakefield vs. Price tonight means there's a pretty good chance it will become a 4 game losing streak. Dog days of summer are here.


Stephen - 7/7/2010 at 02:59 PM

If they cared enough to get into shape, half these "injuries" wouldn't be happening -- many ex-ballplayers have said in recent years that when they played, w/tougher travel conditions etc., no one ever heard of an oblique, a quadricep, hip flexor or rotator cuff -- "strains" were not a reason to not play, much less go on the DL -- they simply got into shape because they had to & it's how they played at their best -- some of the injuries today are legitimate yes, but most of them aren't

whatever happened to Jacoby Ellsbury? I know he had that collision -- coming back anytime after the allstar break?

Go Sox -- most ballplayers today are sissies IMO, but it doesn't mean I don't root for the Sox


Stephen - 7/7/2010 at 03:00 PM


gondicar - 7/7/2010 at 05:12 PM

Most of the injuries have been impact injuries, like collisions with other players or being hit by a thrown or batted ball. That's what makes it so infuriating, they have been the "freak" injuries, just coincidence I think that the Sox have had a bunch at once.

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If they cared enough to get into shape, half these "injuries" wouldn't be happening -- many ex-ballplayers have said in recent years that when they played, w/tougher travel conditions etc., no one ever heard of an oblique, a quadricep, hip flexor or rotator cuff -- "strains" were not a reason to not play, much less go on the DL -- they simply got into shape because they had to & it's how they played at their best -- some of the injuries today are legitimate yes, but most of them aren't

whatever happened to Jacoby Ellsbury? I know he had that collision -- coming back anytime after the allstar break?

Go Sox -- most ballplayers today are sissies IMO, but it doesn't mean I don't root for the Sox


Lee - 7/8/2010 at 03:32 PM

Did anyone vote for the final player for each All-Star team? I'm fairly certain Youkilis and Votto will be the winners.

Here in Chicago they have a big push to get Konerko in. He's deserving but Youkilis probably is more so.


fensranger - 7/9/2010 at 05:28 PM

swisher got it, he is having a good year as well


gondicar - 7/9/2010 at 06:32 PM

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Swisher edged out Youkilis for the last All Star spot in what MLB says was the tightest vote since they started this Final Vote thing. Youkilis has slightly better overall numbers (.292, 17 HR, 55 RBI, .409 OBP) than Swisher (.298, 14 HR, 48 RBI, .376 OBP) and is probably better defensively, but Swisher got the votes so congrats to him.


WharfRat - 7/9/2010 at 06:36 PM

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Swisher edged out Youkilis for the last All Star spot in what MLB says was the tightest vote since they started this Final Vote thing. Youkilis has slightly better overall numbers (.292, 17 HR, 55 RBI, .409 OBP) than Swisher (.298, 14 HR, 48 RBI, .376 OBP) and is probably better defensively, but Swisher got the votes so congrats to him.



And Swisher wasnt even playing regularly until Nick Johnson went down in early May


Sang - 7/9/2010 at 06:40 PM

Guess my Swisher bobble-head is worth even more now.............


gondicar - 7/9/2010 at 06:49 PM

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Swisher edged out Youkilis for the last All Star spot in what MLB says was the tightest vote since they started this Final Vote thing. Youkilis has slightly better overall numbers (.292, 17 HR, 55 RBI, .409 OBP) than Swisher (.298, 14 HR, 48 RBI, .376 OBP) and is probably better defensively, but Swisher got the votes so congrats to him.



And Swisher wasnt even playing regularly until Nick Johnson went down in early May


Must be the PEDs.


WharfRat - 7/9/2010 at 09:46 PM

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Swisher edged out Youkilis for the last All Star spot in what MLB says was the tightest vote since they started this Final Vote thing. Youkilis has slightly better overall numbers (.292, 17 HR, 55 RBI, .409 OBP) than Swisher (.298, 14 HR, 48 RBI, .376 OBP) and is probably better defensively, but Swisher got the votes so congrats to him.



And Swisher wasnt even playing regularly until Nick Johnson went down in early May


Johnson getting injured, who could have seen that one coming?


Me.
I am suprised he got through April..



BTW.. Cliff Lee is a Ranger


DanB - 7/10/2010 at 02:38 AM

Braves 4 Mess 2


Lee - 7/10/2010 at 11:50 AM

So the Rangers got Cliff Lee? That guy gets passed around more than a bag of chips at a campfire.


Lee - 7/10/2010 at 03:03 PM

True enough.

Good pickup for them though. I guess the M's were going to pull the trigger to send him to the Yankees till they found out one of the prospects they were getting was hurt.


WharfRat - 7/10/2010 at 11:42 PM

This means Javy stays I guess


Peachypetewi - 7/11/2010 at 12:43 AM

Nice to see Paul Konerko named to the AL All Star team. He deserved it has had a great first half. White Sox looking real tough going into the second half.


Lee - 7/11/2010 at 11:07 AM

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Agreed. Even coming from this Tigers and Cubs fan. I voted for him several times. Glad to see that he made the team.


WharfRat - 7/11/2010 at 11:10 AM

Effin Joba!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


WharfRat - 7/11/2010 at 05:07 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5371001


X 1000


alloak41 - 7/11/2010 at 05:16 PM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5371001


X 1000


RIP


WharfRat - 7/11/2010 at 05:25 PM

I was ok until I watched that clip


Sandman - 7/11/2010 at 08:13 PM

He was one of the greats and will be missed...


DanB - 7/12/2010 at 10:10 PM

uh oh Wharfy

CC Sabathia Involved In Bench-Clearing Nap

NEW YORK—The entire Yankees squad poured off the bench, out of the dugout, and onto the field Monday after CC Sabathia reacted to a particularly strenuous inning by plopping down on the bench, stretching out, and taking a nap. "When that happens to your pitcher, you just have to support him and get out of the way," said shortstop Derek Jeter, who was one of the first Yankees on his feet when Sabathia began to recline. "In that situation, a good teammate just lets his pitcher sleep. It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong." Umpires were able to clear the field and play resumed shortly after Sabathia woke, although team medics have not yet been able to return Sabathia to an upright position


WharfRat - 7/13/2010 at 02:32 AM

LMAO!


gondicar - 7/13/2010 at 11:47 AM

Kewl


WharfRat - 7/14/2010 at 02:43 AM


Lee - 7/14/2010 at 11:14 PM

Beisbol re-starts tomorrow!


DanB - 7/15/2010 at 12:46 PM

The Braves unloaded that malcontent Yunel Escobar


Lee - 7/15/2010 at 12:50 PM

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Good trade. I guess Toronto wanted to dump salary.


gondicar - 7/15/2010 at 03:08 PM

Red Sox injury updates

The AAA Syracuse Chiefs have their work cut out for them this weekend...they get to face Buchholz on Friday and Beckett on Saturday...if all goes well both will make their next starts in the majors.


DanB - 7/15/2010 at 06:29 PM

forgot to mention that the PA system after the All Star game was playing Jessica


Lee - 7/16/2010 at 04:17 PM

Phew, now the Flubs are back in it!!!!


CHICAGO (AP)—Cubs right-hander Carlos Zambrano has completed has anger management sessions and reported to Arizona on Thursday to resume throwing.

Zambrano, who has been on the restricted list since June 29, has not been with the club since his June 25 dugout tirade that led to a verbal confrontation with teammate Derrek Lee.

The Cubs do not have a timetable on Zambrano’s return to the majors.

The team suspended him without pay for three games then placed him on the restricted list and sent him to New York for anger management therapy.

After struggling in the rotation, the Cubs moved Zambrano to the bullpen, but not before moving him back to the rotation. He is 3-6 with a 5.66 ERA in 22 games this season.


Peachypetewi - 7/16/2010 at 04:32 PM

The new Twins stadium while being a beautiful park doesn't really help them take advantage of their strengths. As a White Sox fan I am really glad.


alloak41 - 7/16/2010 at 04:48 PM

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Phew, now the Flubs are back in it!!!!


CHICAGO (AP)—Cubs right-hander Carlos Zambrano has completed has anger management sessions and reported to Arizona on Thursday to resume throwing.

Zambrano, who has been on the restricted list since June 29, has not been with the club since his June 25 dugout tirade that led to a verbal confrontation with teammate Derrek Lee.

The Cubs do not have a timetable on Zambrano’s return to the majors.

The team suspended him without pay for three games then placed him on the restricted list and sent him to New York for anger management therapy.

After struggling in the rotation, the Cubs moved Zambrano to the bullpen, but not before moving him back to the rotation. He is 3-6 with a 5.66 ERA in 22 games this season.




Steve Stoned thinks he should be converted to a position player...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/420419-carlos-zambrano-as-a-position-pla yer-steve-stone-must-be-joking


Lee - 7/16/2010 at 04:50 PM

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The new Twins stadium while being a beautiful park doesn't really help them take advantage of their strengths. As a White Sox fan I am really glad.


Joe Mauer is this years David Wright.



I read a piece where some of the Twins position players were complaining about the dimensions. Sux when you score seven runs at home and lose as they did last night.


Stephen - 7/16/2010 at 05:09 PM

I still think they'll make a run at it though -- they have the lineup to do it -- the ChiSox are hot right now, as we've seen -- but the Twins are selling out their new stadium every night & I'll bet they come up with the goods -- Nathan maybe back if they made the post-season

Go Sox


WharfRat - 7/17/2010 at 02:31 AM

Agreed.

Jeter claimed he didnt know about it,he was home in Fla..

Kinda weird.

But at least in Derek's case, he honors him every home game with only Bobs voice announcing him.


WharfRat - 7/17/2010 at 02:32 AM

And a GREAT tribute to the both of them tonight, and it will continue tommorrow during Old Timers Day


Lee - 7/17/2010 at 02:42 PM

Wow, that's really, really odd!


IPowrie - 7/18/2010 at 11:18 PM

Tigers need something to get them winning on the road. They were swept by Cleveland this weekend.


Sang - 7/19/2010 at 03:05 AM

Cardinals came back and swept the Dodgers.......

Cards and Sox both in first - would have been nice if the Sox would have held on in Minnesota.....


Stephen - 7/19/2010 at 03:35 PM

It's early yes, but still -- we need to be where TB is right now -- droppin' a little too far back (6 1/2) -- no worries yet though -- even w/all those guys missing we need to make hay starting tonite w/Oakland & their like -- c'mon suck it up Jacoby -- oh that's right, you can't -- "bruised ribcage" -- occurred in April, because he's an MLBer he hasn't played since, most other people would've been up & around by now though -- legitimate collision yes -- typical modern-day ballplayer, same

make hay Twinkies -- Easy schedule coming up -- now they'll get hot & the ChiSox will cool off, like Detroit has -- what a scene at the end of that game yesterday

Go Sox


gondicar - 7/19/2010 at 03:49 PM

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It's early yes, but still -- we need to be where TB is right now -- droppin' a little too far back (6 1/2) -- no worries yet though -- even w/all those guys missing we need to make hay starting tonite w/Oakland & their like -- c'mon suck it up Jacoby -- oh that's right, you can't -- "bruised ribcage" -- occurred in April, because he's an MLBer he hasn't played since, most other people would've been up & around by now though -- legitimate collision yes -- typical modern-day ballplayer, same

make hay Twinkies -- Easy schedule coming up -- now they'll get hot & the ChiSox will cool off, like Detroit has -- what a scene at the end of that game yesterday

Go Sox


They were actually broken ribs (and an odd break at that, "horizontal" across the ribs rather than the more typical "vertical" break) which were misdiagnosed at first so when he came back and made a dive for a ball he made it worse. Yes it is frustrating to have him out for so long, but do you think he wants to sit out most of a season like this? And we all know the Sox take a very cautious approach with injuries, which is doubly frustrating with so many out at the same time.

That said, the Sox are a clearly mess right now, all the injuries are definitely catching up to them. Example...since both Matinez and Tek went down a few weeks ago, the catching position has contributed exactly ZERO home runs and ZERO RBI and is something like 4 for 50 and have looked like little leaguers defensively as well. The fill-ins at 2B haven't faired much better. Daniel Nava is a nice story and all, but he does seems a bit overmatched in the OF (a couple of crucial miscues defensively yesterday, Lester did not seem pleased at all). And I've seen way too much of Bill Hall this season, thank you very much.

Perfect timing for a west coast trip and those late 10:30pm start times.

On a more positive note, I'm glad to see Michael Bowden finally up with the big club, even if in a relief role.


Stephen - 7/19/2010 at 04:12 PM

Ditto on Bowden, will be interesting to see what he can do, just read something on him recently -- as for Ellsbury, it's been 3 months now, during which he's gotten the top medical care & been closely monitored -- for the injury that he had -- broken ribs, bruised bones etc. -- that should have been enough time -- big ups to him, he gave it a try & still wasn't ready --
...yes I think he wants to be playing & is frustrated -- but it's like it's just another example -- a ballplayer gets hurt nowadays & it's like their careers are in jeopardy -- now there are "rehab starts" even for minor sh!t like back strains etc -- that's what's frustrating too bro -- you know Jacoby will be treated with the kiddest of kid-gloves when he returns -- if he so much as tries to swat a mosquito they'll worry he might throw out his back...
whew those catchers stats -- NG -- we need to get past TB no mattahwhat


alloak41 - 7/20/2010 at 09:01 PM

It's official from Wrigley. 2010 is it for Lou, the end of the line.

Now they're going to go out and win it for him!


DanB - 7/20/2010 at 11:11 PM

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It's official from Wrigley. 2010 is it for Lou, the end of the line.

Now they're going to go out and win it for him!




surprised it didn't happen sooner as Lou looks beatdown


Stephen - 7/21/2010 at 02:33 PM

I still say that anybody who coulda come up w/that fly ball looking into the sun like he did on a Certain Oct. 1978 baseball game -- deserves...

Lou's great, have always liked him -- even he can't get too much outta the cubbies though, by the looks of it

Go Sox


Lee - 7/22/2010 at 02:09 PM

Sheesh Bobby Jenks sucks....


http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Closing-Time-Bobby-Je nks-loses-his-way-again?urn=fantasy-257518


As a Tiger fan, this guy reminds me of Todd Jones.


Stephen - 7/22/2010 at 03:14 PM

Greineke is on fire again, 6-1 w/47 Ks & 8 walks or so recently
what a hurler -- & he drew just 15K of those diehard Royals fans, whereas the Reds game almost sold out w/Strasburg pitching -- yeesh

well -- maybe our, "beleaguered" pitching staff will hold up for awhile now -- hopefully Beckett will have a good start -- btw I love Jacoby E., didn't mean to be too harsh on him before -- he's a great hitter, fielder & base stealer -- he plays w/abandon & that, as you said must be why they're being extra-cautious -- yadada -- go Sox


alloak41 - 7/23/2010 at 02:25 AM

According to sources, Prince Fielder may be headed to the White Sox for a starting pitcher or Carlos Quentin as the principals.


Lee - 7/23/2010 at 10:38 AM

They should have just kept Jim Thome. It would have been a much cheaper DH. There's no way Fielder will play first over Konerko so they are getting an overpriced bat.


Stephen - 7/23/2010 at 03:13 PM

RIP Ralph Houk

Carl Yastrzemski specifically singled him out at Yaz's retirement farewell in Sept. 1983, saying he's the best manager he'd ever played for -- w/the Major in mind,
go Sox


Sang - 7/23/2010 at 04:09 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Security-shrugs-as-O- s-mope-runs-laps-around-Cam?urn=mlb-257721

Guy runs around Camden field, security just lets him get tired....

Read the comments - the best one -

"I wouldn't be too excited about restarting an Orioles game either. "


DougMacKenzie - 7/23/2010 at 05:36 PM

Does anybody think the Rangers are for real? They've folded at this time of the year so many times before I'm almost afraid to watch.


alloak41 - 7/23/2010 at 06:06 PM

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Does anybody think the Rangers are for real? They've folded at this time of the year so many times before I'm almost afraid to watch.


I do. Nolan Ryan has built a team with an eye on pitching and defense, as opposed to the past when they tried to win by outslugging the opponent. There's also the heat factor in Arlington that's been blamed for wearing down Ranger teams of the past, but I believe this team could be there at the end.


nuwaydawg - 7/23/2010 at 06:19 PM

the Braves are back baby! They are solid, and have one of the best staffs in b'ball.


DougMacKenzie - 7/23/2010 at 06:27 PM

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I do. Nolan Ryan has built a team with an eye on pitching and defense, as opposed to the past when they tried to win by outslugging the opponent. There's also the heat factor in Arlington that's been blamed for wearing down Ranger teams of the past, but I believe this team could be there at the end.


Hope you're right oak!


Lee - 7/23/2010 at 11:15 PM

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I do. Nolan Ryan has built a team with an eye on pitching and defense, as opposed to the past when they tried to win by outslugging the opponent. There's also the heat factor in Arlington that's been blamed for wearing down Ranger teams of the past, but I believe this team could be there at the end.



So do I. I can understand having a lot of reservations given their history but I think they have all of the pieces.


DougMacKenzie - 7/23/2010 at 11:35 PM

OK, I'm actually going to allow myself to get interested then. Another game with the Angels tonight. We could open up a niuce little 7 game cushion with a win. What the hell is Mark Cuban doing bidding against the Ryan-Greenburg group for ownership of the team?


DougMacKenzie - 7/24/2010 at 10:32 AM

Rangers stop the Angels 1-0, take a 7 game lead in the AL West. Pitching and defense. I like it.


Lee - 7/24/2010 at 10:50 AM

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OK, I'm actually going to allow myself to get interested then.



Oh Douglas, what are you some kind of fair weather fan?????


DougMacKenzie - 7/24/2010 at 10:53 AM

Well, I don't know. I've been a Ranger's fan since 1980, and every year but 2 (the Juan Gonzalez era) they've folded in late July-early August. Even then they lost in the first round of the playoffs to the Damn Yankees. So this is usually about the time they loose relevance and I loose interest. Coincides with the opening of training camp. Maybe I'll have to pay attention a little longer this year.


Lee - 7/24/2010 at 11:02 AM

I'm tellin' ya, they have a shot to make some noise this year. Obviously Cliff Lee is huge. I think the biggest issue is the first round depending on who they will play in a 5-game series. Hot pitchers can take a good team down (wish they would just go to a 7-game series).


And as a Tiggers fan, don't get me going on Juan Gonzalez. Give him some more 'roids.


Lee - 7/25/2010 at 05:34 PM

Ugh. Carlos Guillen and Magglio Ordonez just joined Brandon Inge on the DL. Three starters lost in one week.


DougMacKenzie - 7/26/2010 at 11:53 AM

Rangers take 3 of 4 from the Angels at home to maintain a 7 game lead in the AL west. Josh Hamilton is on fire. We'll see where they are around August 15.


Lee - 7/27/2010 at 11:17 AM

Last night the Royals were losing 19 - 0 at home going into the bottom of the ninth. I wonder how many people stuck arounf to see them score their run.



Final 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E

Minnesota 6 0 0 2 0 6 3 2 0 19 20 0

Kansas City 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 5 0


alloak41 - 7/27/2010 at 05:47 PM

So much for the theory that pitchers must "keep the ball down" to get big league hitters out. I think that's a myth. Anybody that watched Matt Garza's no-hitter last night saw that only a handful of pitches that were down in the zone and they couldn't touch him.

I believe that major league hitters have learned to adapt, and therefore hit, low pitches through kind of a natural selection. It's all they see most of the time and they tattoo that pitch. It's the high heat they can't seem to hit.


Bhawk - 7/27/2010 at 05:54 PM

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Last night the Royals were losing 19 - 0 at home going into the bottom of the ninth. I wonder how many people stuck arounf to see them score their run.



Final 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E

Minnesota 6 0 0 2 0 6 3 2 0 19 20 0

Kansas City 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 5 0



Worst loss in franchise history.

Hopefully someday the $hitbag that owns the team will give a f**k about winning. Wal-Mart CEO, Wal-Mart team.


DougMacKenzie - 7/28/2010 at 11:30 AM

Rangers take down the A's on a 2 run walk off homer by Cruz in the 10th. Lee goes nine, strikes out 13. Pretty exciting, and now an 8 game lead over the Angels. I'm still not convinced.


Bhawk - 7/28/2010 at 01:23 PM

11 more runs given up by the local joke of a baseball team.

What an absolute joke. Year after f*****g year. The Royals seemingly don't have the money to compete but somehow turn a nice profit every year.

Contract the league. The superteams can have a six team league for all I care.


Stephen - 7/28/2010 at 02:26 PM

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11 more runs given up by the local joke of a baseball team.

What an absolute joke. Year after f*****g year. The Royals seemingly don't have the money to compete but somehow turn a nice profit every year.

Contract the league. The superteams can have a six team league for all I care.




I hear you -- I feel the same way about the Pirates, for years my favorite NL team -- how tough though -- they do indeed have to show a profit like any business, and they do, but their overall budget is small so they can't compete -- still root for them but gave up long ago on their being able to post a winning record

[Edited on 7/28/2010 by Stephen]


Lee - 7/28/2010 at 03:33 PM

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Rangers take down the A's on a 2 run walk off homer by Cruz in the 10th. Lee goes nine, strikes out 13. Pretty exciting, and now an 8 game lead over the Angels. I'm still not convinced.



They have the biggest lead of any of the six divisions. They are the real deal.


DanB - 7/29/2010 at 07:02 PM

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Looks like Roy Oswalt might be headed to Philly. To starting Roy's....it's going to be a nice fall in the City of Brotherly Love!!!!


yeah a nice quick fall to 3rd place

Go Braves!!!


DougMacKenzie - 7/29/2010 at 07:19 PM

Rangers let one slide last night against the A's. We'll see what they do tonight.


IPowrie - 7/29/2010 at 07:30 PM

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I'm tellin' ya, they have a shot to make some noise this year. Obviously Cliff Lee is huge. I think the biggest issue is the first round depending on who they will play in a 5-game series. Hot pitchers can take a good team down (wish they would just go to a 7-game series).


And as a Tiggers fan, don't get me going on Juan Gonzalez. Give him some more 'roids.


Baseball playoffs are fine as is unless we can cut the regular season down.


DanB - 7/29/2010 at 08:02 PM

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yeah a nice quick fall to 3rd place

Go Braves!!!


Right now the Braves are like a baby antelope, and the Phillies are the hungry lion. Watch your back.


yeah I don't wanna get puked on by Sillies fan


WharfRat - 7/30/2010 at 12:01 AM

The Phils just won the NL East.


IPowrie - 7/30/2010 at 12:11 AM

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Which for me still begs the question why did they trade Cliff Lee he is better than Roy Oswalt


WharfRat - 7/30/2010 at 12:13 AM

That did not make any damn sense..

Oswalt is good, but Lee is better..IMHO

But Oswalt is still damn good! I think this is perfect for him because he doesnt have to be "the man" in Philly.. Thats for Mr. Halliday


IPowrie - 7/30/2010 at 12:28 AM

quote:
That did not make any damn sense..

Oswalt is good, but Lee is better..IMHO

But Oswalt is still damn good! I think this is perfect for him because he doesnt have to be "the man" in Philly.. Thats for Mr. Halliday


Agreed

What Im wondering is are the Phils going to be facing problems in the future with how much payroll they have guaranteed over the next few years and trading away alot of young talent is will they be to old to win


WharfRat - 7/30/2010 at 01:31 AM

From what I am hearing Werth wont be a Phillie much longer...


fanfrom-71 - 7/30/2010 at 01:59 AM

Any bets on how many the Rays will take from the Yanks this weekend?
I'm going with 2 out of 3.


WharfRat - 7/30/2010 at 02:11 AM

Ummm No

Yanks 2 out of 3.


WharfRat - 7/30/2010 at 11:13 AM

There were rumors of Werth to the Yanks for Javy Vazquez..

I HATE Javy, and I really didnt see the point in acquiring Werth. He is a good player, but Swisher is doing a great job out in RF as well..
Leave well enough alone, I say.


Lee - 7/30/2010 at 11:26 AM

quote:
The Phils just won the NL East.






Oh that's rich!


michaelsio - 7/30/2010 at 12:32 PM

Glad the Phils got Oswalt, but I wish they kept Lee. Looks to me the reason they traded Lee was the old lack of communication problem. Phils thought they couldn't afford Lee after 2010 and Lee (or his agent) said after the trade that wasn't necessarily so.For what they gave up for Halliday and Oswalt they could have kept Lee and gave those guys up for Halliday.


Still wish I bought a Lee Phils jersey.


alloak41 - 7/30/2010 at 03:02 PM

As a Houston fan, I hope J Happ works out better than Pedro Feliz has. But I notice he's got control problems and has spent most of the year in Triple-A. Feliz has been a total bust, hitting .213 and his glove at third has been a disappointment as well. They would have been much better off holding onto Ty Wiggington. The Astros have a long history of bad signings and getting the short end of trades.


michaelsio - 7/30/2010 at 03:08 PM

quote:
As a Houston fan, I hope J Happ works out better than Pedro Feliz has. But I notice he's got control problems and has spent most of the year in Triple-A. Feliz has been a total bust, hitting .213 and his glove at third has been a disappointment as well. They would have been much better off holding onto Ty Wiggington. The Astros have a long history of bad signings and getting the short end of trades.

Happ got hurt early in the season (first game, I think) and has been rehabing.

When the Phils had Feliz he was a disappointment with the bat, but his glove was good. Then again after David Bell anyone who could just get the ball to first was an improvement.


DougMacKenzie - 7/30/2010 at 04:53 PM

Cliff Lee has made a huge impact on a young Ranger's pitching staff. He's all those guys talk about. The Rangers with good pitching and defense? End times.


alloak41 - 7/30/2010 at 05:34 PM

Lots of ways to win ballgames besides 3-run homers. Nothing wears down a lineup faster than showing up at the park every day thinking they have to score 6-7 runs to win.


DougMacKenzie - 7/30/2010 at 05:38 PM

Thats been the Rangers modis operandi for the past 35 years, and why they have always faded this time of year. Maybe this year really will be different.


fanfrom-71 - 7/31/2010 at 01:52 AM

1 down. 2 to go!























alloak41 - 7/31/2010 at 02:54 AM

Now the Astros send Lance Berkman plus $4 Million to the Yankees for two marginal prospects. WTF is going on down there?


DanB - 7/31/2010 at 10:56 PM

I'm sure this strikes fear in the Phillies and Mets

Braves trade for Ankiel and Farnsworth

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5426623 .

oh wait they also got Wilken Ramirez from Detroit for bag of sunflower seeds

[Edited on 7/31/2010 by DanB]


WharfRat - 7/31/2010 at 11:28 PM

Kerry Wood??

Kerry effin Wood?

Really?


phillybob - 7/31/2010 at 11:41 PM

We need Kerry Wood on your team to improve our chances.

Go Phillies!!!


DougMacKenzie - 8/1/2010 at 01:23 AM

Rangers play the rubber match with the Angels tonight in Anaheim. THey could really put some distance between them and the A's over the next two weeks. Still curious as to how they will hold up.


WharfRat - 8/1/2010 at 02:38 AM

quote:
1 down. 2 to go!







Even


DougMacKenzie - 8/1/2010 at 03:24 AM

Rangers beat the Angels 2-1 to go up nine games in the AL West. Sweet.


DougMacKenzie - 8/1/2010 at 12:27 PM

Rangers play the Yankees next week. Wonder how they will hold up?


fanfrom-71 - 8/1/2010 at 01:15 PM

quote:
quote:
1 down. 2 to go!







Even
Those damn Yankee's!
Going to today's game. Was REALLY hoping they would be going into this one tied.
GO RAY'S!!!


fanfrom-71 - 8/1/2010 at 11:10 PM

Ray's 2-Yankee's 1
Kind of boring game,but a w is a w. Glad A Rod didn't get # 600 in our house.
Jeter seems to be having a tough time with the Ray's. REALLY looking forward to the playoff's.


DougMacKenzie - 8/1/2010 at 11:15 PM

Angels take 2 of 3 from the Rangers in Anahiem, but the Ranger's lead is still like 8.5 games. The next 2 weeks will tell a big part of the story. This is whenm they usually colllapse.


Lee - 8/2/2010 at 10:57 AM

quote:
Kerry Wood??

Kerry effin Wood?

Really?



There was very little downside to NY doing this. All they give up is either $500,000 or a player to be named later. And Cleveland picked up 2/3 of Woods' remaining contract.

Similar with Berkman and they almost got Kearns for free. I would have been happy had the Tigers made these moves.


Brock - 8/2/2010 at 01:48 PM


Stephen - 8/2/2010 at 03:33 PM

It sucks so bad the toilet bowl this place has become (the WP forum)


Teams made a lot of moves, just wait though -- we still have Pedey & Ellsbury coming back, & IMO they have to play Lowell and Tek periodically when they're ready -- these are four key players who have to be rotated in there regularly so that other players don't get too tired (injured) -- we can still catch TB & NY -- we're poised to do it -- foreseeing a sweep of the Tribe

same thing w/the Twins, they cleaned up on the weak sisters, now it's reality check time against TB -- if Morneau & Mauer are healthy down the stretch, they'll repeat as div. champs

Many interesting races, both Fla. and NYMets, and LA and Colorado will make inroads this week (key divisional series') -- "lots of baseball left to play" as the saying goes


Lee - 8/3/2010 at 11:33 AM

Not sure who your beef is with (and don't care) but can I respecfully ask you to leave the baseball thread alone so we can dicuss the sport we love?

Thanks.


DougMacKenzie - 8/3/2010 at 12:07 PM

A few threads never mess with anyone and should be respected by all, kind of like field hospitals in a war. Sports threads and memorial threads should be off limits.


fanfrom-71 - 8/3/2010 at 08:00 PM

quote:
quote:
The NL East is wide open this year.

------------------------------------------------------------

Nice to see a fun thread that is not about politics.

The Dodgers will be in the Series and be mauled by the Yankees.
You mean the Ray's?


Sang - 8/4/2010 at 12:38 AM

Cardinals and White Sox have almost identical records ...... like to see them both at least win their division........


gondicar - 8/4/2010 at 03:29 AM

Sounds like Youkilis really did some damage when he jammed his thumb...torn adductor muscle and the head of one of the muscles ruptured. Might need surgery. DL. Unfreakinbelievable.

Nice return for Lowell in talking Youk's place...Theo looks pretty smahhht now for not moving him (well, maybe not considering the yanks were supposedly the only team interested). Ellsbury comes back tomorrow, but losing Youk really sucks.

Yanks scuffling a bit all of a sudden, and have dropped to second. Sox only 5.5 back with 4 games head-to-head this weekend and 10 (I think) head-to-head still to play overall. This could still get interesting...


fanfrom-71 - 8/4/2010 at 05:09 AM

I know there is still plenty of baseball but....Ray's on top in the AL east!
GO RAY'S!!!


WharfRat - 8/4/2010 at 01:43 PM

This is gonna be a good one fellas

I never thought the Sawx were dead anyway.. It was just wishful thinking


phillybob - 8/4/2010 at 02:36 PM

Go Phillllllllllies rematch with the Rays or the Yanks


Stephen - 8/4/2010 at 05:09 PM

quote:
quote:
Sounds like Youkilis really did some damage when he jammed his thumb...torn adductor muscle and the head of one of the muscles ruptured. Might need surgery. DL. Unfreakinbelievable.

Nice return for Lowell in talking Youk's place...Theo looks pretty smahhht now for not moving him (well, maybe not considering the yanks were supposedly the only team interested). Ellsbury comes back tomorrow, but losing Youk really sucks.

Yanks scuffling a bit all of a sudden, and have dropped to second. Sox only 5.5 back with 4 games head-to-head this weekend and 10 (I think) head-to-head still to play overall. This could still get interesting...



Youk's drive and fire can't be replaced. In that regard, Lowell isn't the same player. I hope Lowell does well. He has always seemed like a class guy who has had quite a bit od adversity in his career.


The guy is far from washed up IMO -- if Ellsbury & Pedroia can play up to snuff when they come back, that could Maybe make up for Youk's absence -- it is a biggie though --
both Mikey & Tek will be playing some down the stretch, by the look of things -- ain't like it never worked out good that way befohe (hehe) -- if they're healthy & locked in too, TB & NY are within reach -- which they are anyway -- but it's all Sawx -- I love the BoSox


fanfrom-71 - 8/4/2010 at 06:03 PM

quote:
Yankees slip to 2nd place, bummer.
It is?


WharfRat - 8/5/2010 at 04:08 AM

quote:
Yankees slip to 2nd place, bummer.


Not so fast


IPowrie - 8/5/2010 at 02:22 PM

Looks like Mark Cuban wont be buying the Texas Rangers


Jeanne - 8/6/2010 at 02:38 PM

I believe he has the date incorrect. It should read Monday, the 9th.

Jerry Garcia Night Already A Big Success

DARREN ROVELL, SPORTSBIZ, SPORTS, CNBC, CNBC.COM, BLOG, SPORTS BUSINESS

For the first couple years of the San Francisco Giants new ballpark, games sold out routinely. The Giants still fill AT&T Park to 89 percent capacity, but in a drive to pull in a greater crowd, they’ve started to gain momentum by hosting special nights that generate buzz unlike any other Major League team has.

Last year, they sold 10,000 seats by hosting Filipino Heritage Night, which included an appearance by Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao and a bobblehead of his likeness.


This year, it’s Jerry Garcia Tribute Night, which will take place this upcoming Monday, the 15th anniversary of the guitarist’s death.

Faham Zakariaei, the special events manager for the Giants, said that by game time, he expects to attribute 12,000 seats to the Garcia promotion.

All living members of the Grateful Dead will be involved in the day.

The National Anthem will be sung by Bob Weir, Phil Lesh and Jeff Pehrson, while the seventh inning stretch will be played by Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann. As an added bonus, NBA Hall of Famer and notorious “Deadhead” Bill Walton will be in attendance.

Grateful Dead fans paid in between $20 and $50 to sit in a special section of the ballpark. The first 9,000 who bought tickets to the promotion got a Garcia bobblehead, sponsored by Ben & Jerry’s, which of course makes the ice cream flavor Cherry Garcia.

Since the Giants have now run out, they are now giving away a hat with a Giants & Grateful Dead logo on it for those that buy tickets to the game. The team’s retail department is selling a Jerry Garcia Giants shirt, produced by Nike , for $25. Between the shirt and the hat, which is also being sold separately, they’ve sold 6,000 pieces.


Those who really wanted an experience could pay $175 to meet the members of the Grateful Dead, hear a cover band, meet members of the Garcia family and take part in all-you-can-eat and drink stations. Zakariaei said those 400 tickets sold out. “I’d love to squeeze more people in there, but I can’t,” he said, reluctantly.

Zakariaei said the key to success with promotions like this is authenticity. Garcia obviously came from the Bay Area and was a Giants fan.

Some proceeds of the tickets — which have already topped $40,000 — are going to the Rex Foundation, the Grateful Dead’s charity.

Questions? Comments? SportsBiz@cnbc.com


DougMacKenzie - 8/6/2010 at 03:22 PM

quote:
Looks like Mark Cuban wont be buying the Texas Rangers


Thank goodness! Nolan Ryan is just what this team needs. Rangers are 3-3 on this road trip and still have an 8 game lea in the AL West. A couple of more weeks of this and I might be convinced. They play Doston and the Yankees at home next week. We'll see.


DougMacKenzie - 8/6/2010 at 03:25 PM

Everybody's a critic!


Stephen - 8/6/2010 at 05:19 PM

Thanks for that info Jeanne!

Go Sawx -- we know what we gotta do...


Stephen - 8/6/2010 at 05:42 PM

Don't think so -- am thinkin' we can take that otha team though


WharfRat - 8/6/2010 at 11:50 PM

quote:
Don't think so -- am thinkin' we can take that otha team though


Umm no


fanfrom-71 - 8/7/2010 at 12:55 AM

Here's hoping the Yanks sweep those Sox!




























GO RAYS!!!


Stephen - 8/7/2010 at 01:03 AM

It ain't over yet BUT
6-3, sixth inning
Go Sox


DanB - 8/7/2010 at 01:26 AM

Tom Glavine had his number retired this evening and a large painting was commissioned by Steve Penley. Penley is the artist who did the paintings of the ABB in the Big House.


fanfrom-71 - 8/7/2010 at 01:33 AM

quote:
Tom Glavine had his number retired this evening and a large painting was commissioned by Steve Penley. Penley is the artist who did the paintings of the ABB in the Big House.
I knew I was glad I bought that Glavine rookie card years ago!
I'm happy for Tom.


WharfRat - 8/7/2010 at 01:41 AM

quote:
quote:
Tom Glavine had his number retired this evening and a large painting was commissioned by Steve Penley. Penley is the artist who did the paintings of the ABB in the Big House.
I knew I was glad I bought that Glavine rookie card years ago!
I'm happy for Tom.


Agreed.. One of the good guys for sure.

Doubt Met fans feel the same way tho


Stephen - 8/7/2010 at 02:06 AM

quote:
Tom Glavine had his number retired this evening and a large painting was commissioned by Steve Penley. Penley is the artist who did the paintings of the ABB in the Big House.


He's in select company -- Warren Spahn, Hank Aaron, Eddie Matthews, Dale Murphy, Greg Maddux -- well deserved, he was good

[Edited on 8/7/2010 by Stephen]


gondicar - 8/7/2010 at 03:21 AM

quote:
It ain't over yet BUT
6-3, sixth inning
Go Sox


One down...


WharfRat - 8/7/2010 at 10:59 AM


alloak41 - 8/7/2010 at 02:03 PM

quote:
He's in select company -- Warren Spahn, Hank Aaron, Eddie Matthews, Dale Murphy, Greg Maddux -- well deserved, he was good


Don't forget Phil Niekro #35.

Congratulations to Tom.


Stephen - 8/7/2010 at 02:53 PM

Ha! Good calloak41 -- Phil, one half of the knuckleballing Niekro brothers along w/Joe
gosh those are some stellar names!! Hammerin' Hank deserves 1st mention in any Braves talk...

Go Sox -- only a clean sweep would do, that would get us to within two & make things a lot more realistic -- get well soon Dustin P. & Tek -- you are needed -- Youk's procedure went fine but out for year -- that blows...


fanfrom-71 - 8/7/2010 at 08:27 PM

Toronto= 17
Tampa= 11
What a game! Almost a real spanking. Looks like it may be a 3 team run after all with Boston moving on up.


MundeleinHoward - 8/7/2010 at 09:06 PM

Stephen said on Aug. 2:

quote:
...the Twins, they cleaned up on the weak sisters, now it's reality check time against TB -- if Morneau & Mauer are healthy down the stretch, they'll repeat as div. champs (Twins still in 2nd, 1-1/2 games (2 in loss column) behind the White Sox w/ 9 to play, 6 in the next 12 days)

Many interesting races, both Fla. and NYMets, and LA and Colorado (don't think either can beat the Padres) will make inroads this week (key divisional series') -- "lots of baseball left to play" as the saying goes


Yes, lotsa ball left to play GO WHITE SOX!!


Stephen - 8/7/2010 at 09:55 PM

We can get this game -- two runs is not too much to make up (4-2, 6th) -- this is a huge game for the Sox to win, w/TB having lost

sorry bro but not this year for the ChiSox --


Bird - 8/8/2010 at 07:31 PM

Great time at Turner Field last night ! Braves win & Wags strikes out the side in the 9th !!! 5-2 Braves as we speak. Top of 6. Go Braves !!! (And let's go Mets vs Phillies !)


fanfrom-71 - 8/8/2010 at 07:54 PM

quote:
How about Brandon Morrow for Toronto today. He took a no hitter into the 9th. Gave up 1 hit, no runs and struck out 17. You can't do much better than that.
I was impressed. I was just glad Sonny had a better outing than expected. Had visions of yesterday when I heard Joe was putting him in.


Stephen - 8/8/2010 at 08:10 PM

Twinkies are now w/in a half-game of Chicago -- always liking those small-market Twins who always do well despite a smaller budget than most -- maybe no more though as they are selling out their new stadium

boy teams like the Cubbies & Tygiz -- imploding into the second division -- kinda too bad for Lou Piniella to end his great career this way

cool series coming up, Cincinnati-St. Louis -- would like to see the Reds do well, they haven't been there in a long time -- not since 20 years ago, when Piniella guided them to the World Series -- Bronson Arroyo pinch-ran yesterday, something very rarely seen nowadays, a pitcher pinch running

gosh, pitcher like Tim Hudson & Carl Pavano -- poster boys for bad-idea free agents years ago, who signed huge contracts, then spent the next few years on the DL -- only to have come around again & are having excellent years

go BoSox -- we need the next two in a big way


SpyNet - 8/9/2010 at 12:46 AM

quote:
Twinkies are now w/in a half-game of Chicago -- always liking those small-market Twins who always do well despite a smaller budget than most -- maybe no more though as they are selling out their new stadium

boy teams like the Cubbies & Tygiz -- imploding into the second division -- kinda too bad for Lou Piniella to end his great career this way

cool series coming up, Cincinnati-St. Louis -- would like to see the Reds do well, they haven't been there in a long time -- not since 20 years ago, when Piniella guided them to the World Series -- Bronson Arroyo pinch-ran yesterday, something very rarely seen nowadays, a pitcher pinch running

gosh, pitcher like Tim Hudson & Carl Pavano -- poster boys for bad-idea free agents years ago, who signed huge contracts, then spent the next few years on the DL -- only to have come around again & are having excellent years

go BoSox -- we need the next two in a big way

Been out of the country for a few months, and missed baseball...bad, as well as this site.
But Stephen, with all due respect...check your facts. Twins are just short of a $100 million dollar payroll...more than a 1/3 more than the LA Dodgers! can't call them a small market team anymore! I know the Mauer contract has a lot to do with it.
If you want to give the twinkies credit...give it to them for putting their $$ back into the team! Thats what the Luxury tax was intended for in the first place.
More teams should follow the Twins.
PS. Good to be back, although I know i was not missed by any. Never did get to chummy with anyone, but have enjoyed my time here.
also...where did the karma system go?


WharfRat - 8/9/2010 at 02:10 AM

Bye Bye Beckett..

Has a nice ring to it I think


Stephen - 8/9/2010 at 02:14 AM

Wow, thanks for that info SpyNet (welcome back indeed btw) -- a bigger payroll than the Dodgers -- Never woulda thought that -- cool, & thanks!

depressed at the moment -- 7-1...


WharfRat - 8/9/2010 at 02:33 AM

And the Flubs...#3 in payroll.. and a trainwreck


leafsfan - 8/9/2010 at 02:54 AM

As a jays fan I can't help but wonder what if the jays we're in the central division. Man would they mop up.

Anyone recall why baseball went from 2 divisons in each conference to three? I wish they could balance out the schedule for all teams in the AL.


Lee - 8/9/2010 at 10:33 AM

They did it when they added the wild card. Of course, they could have left it at two divisions and added two second place teams to have a four team playoff but I like it the way they chose to do it.


alloak41 - 8/9/2010 at 02:12 PM

quote:
And the Flubs...#3 in payroll.. and a trainwreck


That one really jumps out, as well as the Pads at 29th. The A's at 28th who aren't half bad either.


Stephen - 8/9/2010 at 02:14 PM

Just looked up that info now Otie -- 11th-highest in the majors -- as SpyNet pointed out the Mauer contract may have done that overnight -- the Dodgers are a lot lower than I thought too -- but gosh I have a new favorite now -- the Padres! second-lowest payroll & they're doing awesome -- too bad the Pirates can't do that too

[Edited on 8/9/2010 by Stephen]


Stephen - 8/9/2010 at 02:25 PM

quote:
cool series coming up, Cincinnati-St. Louis --



Among all the excitement, didn't even notice, MN-Chicago this week -- Morneau may be back for their next home series -- huge -- fun ones to see what happens --
I wish the Twins would use less middle relievers & just let one guy be the setup person -- every game they use at least four pitchers, usually more -- Crain, Mijares, Guerrer, Rauch, 1 or 2 others -- they all pich 1/3 or 2/3 every time out, w/completely inconsistent results every time out -- hey the ballclub's going good, that's what counts -- Go TC -- hang the Pale Hose out to dry


Stephen - 8/9/2010 at 02:33 PM

well we're getting killed -- it's not anything that new -- Hopefully we're on a roll next time -- NY is good (Yankees suck)

Big props to Jacoby, he dove for that catch Fri. night & came away not shaken up -- I think that will jump-start his hitting now -- knowing he doesn't have to worry about his ribs
Pedroia & Varitek due back this month -- remember that Sox fans -- also, waiting in the wings, Mike Cameron & -- Carlos Delgado?????


SpyNet - 8/9/2010 at 02:45 PM

quote:
well we're getting killed -- it's not anything that new -- Hopefully we're on a roll next time -- NY is good (Yankees suck)

Big props to Jacoby, he dove for that catch Fri. night & came away not shaken up -- I think that will jump-start his hitting now -- knowing he doesn't have to worry about his ribs
Pedroia & Varitek due back this month -- remember that Sox fans -- also, waiting in the wings, Mike Cameron & -- Carlos Delgado?????

Too many injuries for any team to survive. Your heart and soul are out, but your still right there. Lots of games left head to head to give up, thats for certain
Stephen, thanks for the "welcome back". I had an amazing, and truly interesting few months abroard while on this detail.
Still no place like the USA! Takes a little time out of the country to truly appreciate it. Even with all that is wrong at this present time.


gondicar - 8/9/2010 at 03:33 PM

Looks like it is time for the injury-riddled Red Sox to concede the division (yeah, that hurts) and put all eyes on the wildcard, and even that is seeming more and more like a stretch...we shall see...


MundeleinHoward - 8/9/2010 at 07:48 PM

quote:
And the Flubs...#3 in payroll.. and a trainwreck


What else is old?
ANY team can have a bad CENTURY!


Stephen - 8/10/2010 at 02:53 PM

Jerry lives in SF -- cool looking tribute they had ("concert before the game"???)
& they pulled it out in 11 innings
boy, 15 years ago -- time flies

Go Sox -- if the pitching comes through we have every chance of catching NY -- I mean Bard slammed the do' SHUT IN JO FACE yesterday -- 97-99 mph heaters -- but the runs will be there, it's how the hurling holds up


WharfRat - 8/10/2010 at 03:21 PM

Bring it on


DougMacKenzie - 8/10/2010 at 03:27 PM

Rangers - Yankees tonight, should be right at 100 degrees for the first pitch. This is where it will get interesting for the Rangers.


MundeleinHoward - 8/10/2010 at 04:21 PM

quote:
Jerry lives in SF -- cool looking tribute they had ("concert before the game"???)
& they pulled it out in 11 innings
boy, 15 years ago -- time flies...
....

Yeah, it was quite the scene last night, a cover band played "Shakedown St." & "Touch Of Grey" on top of the Cubs dugout during BP, there was a check presentation to the REX Foundation with Jerry's daughter Annabelle accepting, tributes from Bill Walton & Mickey Hart. The Giants mascot wore a tie-dyed Giants t-shirt Weir, Lesh & Jeff Pehrson sang the national anthem (pretty decently), video board tributes with Dead video, interview w/ Jerry & other cool things during the game, Dead music between innings. During the 7th inning strech, Walton, Hart & Bill Kreutzmann led a kazoo rendition of "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" Plus those of us with special tickets got a very cool Jerry bobblehead I have pictures that I'll post later.

Now for more important things
White Sox vs Twins, big series starting tonight in Chicago, the first of 6 games in 10 days that'll go a long way to determining the AL Central
GO WHITE SOX!!!


MundeleinHoward - 8/10/2010 at 04:32 PM


THIS JUST IN:

Pirates Mathematically Eliminated From Major League Baseball
August 10, 2010 | ISSUE 46•31

PITTSBURGH—After losing their fifth straight game Monday, the Pittsburgh Pirates were mathematically eliminated from Major League Baseball, having fallen to a 36-69 record that officially disqualified the team from ever playing the sport again. "Eventually it comes to a point where there just aren't enough future games to turn things around for a baseball team," manager John Russell said following a 4-0 loss to the Reds that ended the Pirates franchise. "I had high hopes that we would go deeper into our regular seasons, but truthfully, we've been playing so lousy for the last 18 years that even if we got to our 106th game we wouldn't have been able to contend." In response to the Pirates' getting knocked out of professional baseball forever, Pittsburgh fans said that they were frankly relieved.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/pirates-mathematically-eliminated-from-maj or-leagu,17862/


MundeleinHoward - 8/10/2010 at 09:36 PM


opposing thoughts on the White Sox-Twins series:

Seth Stohs, Twins Centric:
"To say that these games mean nothing would also be underplaying their significance. Think about this: Since 2002, the team that won the season series between these two teams ended the season with the better record. If we believe that the Tigers are all but eliminated (which is probably an assumption we shouldn't make quite yet), the team with the better record between the White Sox and Twins should be the division winner."

Jon Greenberg, ESPN Chicago:
"Given how tight the Sox and Twins are, and always seem to be, any considerable advantage obtained in the next week could have a major impact on the teams' fortunes this fall. Good thing the Sox are coming home for the first leg, where they're 18-2 over their last three homestands. After four days in Baltimore, I have a feeling the South Side is going to feel pretty inviting."

GO WHITE SOX!!!


Stephen - 8/10/2010 at 11:03 PM

Hopefully Detroit can win at least their next two -- a split w/NY wasn't good enough, now the Sox need help from the teams playing TB and NY
should be a fun one in Chitown -- hard to tell what will happen this series but I definitely think the Twins will repeat as div champs -- but this series will tell a lot -- long-time Twins fan but at the end of the day
Go BoSox

hey thanks for that info on last night's Jerry game MundeleinHoward

[Edited on 8/10/2010 by Stephen]


MundeleinHoward - 8/10/2010 at 11:19 PM

Hopefully I'll get those photos posted tomorrow, I'm going again tonight, Lincecum's pitching

GO WHITE SOX!!!


Stephen - 8/11/2010 at 01:06 AM

Pics would be awesome

now, go Twins!! (6-3 third inning, far from over though)


fanfrom-71 - 8/11/2010 at 02:20 AM

The ray's could put in Price,Hellickson and Soriano for the rest of the year and I would be happy!

GO RAYS!!!


DougMacKenzie - 8/11/2010 at 03:46 AM

Rangers beat the Yankees on a bases loaded single off Rivera in the bottom of the 10th. This stuff is kind of exciting.


WharfRat - 8/11/2010 at 12:40 PM

Eff Dug.


Stephen - 8/11/2010 at 03:11 PM

Hellickson licked 'em w/a helluva game

what about that great duel between Jiminez & Pelfrey too

& in all 3 cases, hooked in the 7th inning

seeing "complete games" go obsolete as a pitchers statistic doesn't sit well -- it's completely done by rote & pre-set pitch counts -- it's a trend that's hurt the game -- Don Zimmer observed the same thing in his book -- in so many words, pitchers today are not trained to be in shape to go a full nine innings, but just to hold the fort until the 5th or 6th, then blame the others who follow...

in between the lines though, the competition is there & the pennant races & teams are still fun to follow
Go Sox -- it has to be done on our own, TB & NY won't lose many either -- we'll catch up -- Pedey possibly back after this weekend

Twins one up -- it's weird seeing 'em that high-up on the team payroll list -- but it goes back to what SpyNet said before -- they've put themselves into a good position & now the huge salaries, while inconsistent w/their past philosophies, have become affordable -- they did their homework & their new park has proven to be a hit -- if they can be three ahead by the time they get back home, Morneau says he's fine & ready to play -- it'll all be fun to watch

Go Sox


Sang - 8/11/2010 at 08:37 PM

Cardinals sweep the Reds..............

Now we need the White Sox to wake up and beat the Twinkies - no excuse for losing 3 of 4 to Baltimore.


Stephen - 8/12/2010 at 01:47 AM

Looking likely, 6-0 6th inning -- over it is not though

Sox will gain a full game both on TB and NY (4-1 TX) -- go Sawx


MundeleinHoward - 8/12/2010 at 03:37 AM

quote:
Cardinals sweep the Reds..............

Now we need the White Sox to wake up and beat the Twinkies - no excuse for losing 3 of 4 to Baltimore.


Except that the ONLY game the O's have lost since Showalter took over was to the White Sox, but, you're right, no excuses

AL central tied again, 7 head to head games left, 48 games total GO WHITE SOX!!!


WharfRat - 8/12/2010 at 05:43 AM

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Rangers beat the Yankees on a bases loaded single off Rivera in the bottom of the 10th. This stuff is kind of exciting.




They won't be able to do that tonight.


Damn, I got that right and when I posted it, the Rangers were up 6-1. They folded like the Cowboys in a playoff game.




Off Cliff Lee no less.. Go figure.

Oh and Javy effin SUCKS


DougMacKenzie - 8/12/2010 at 11:26 AM

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Rangers beat the Yankees on a bases loaded single off Rivera in the bottom of the 10th. This stuff is kind of exciting.




They won't be able to do that tonight.


Damn, I got that right and when I posted it, the Rangers were up 6-1. They folded like the Cowboys in a playoff game.




Off Cliff Lee no less.. Go figure.

Oh and Javy effin SUCKS


Those are the Rangers we all know and love.


Lee - 8/12/2010 at 12:11 PM

Sheesh, you complain about your Rangers more than Wharfie does about his Spankees...


Stephen - 8/12/2010 at 03:16 PM

what have they put in the water down in Baltimore -- a complete-game 2-hitter last night making it 8 of 9 under Showalter -- must make his predecesor feel entirely adequate

Dallas Braden, who pitched a perfect game this season, went nine also -- there are a lot of hurlers around who pitch way above what their numbers show -- if Zack Greinke or Felix Hernandez were with better teams they'd be a cinch for 20 wins, year in year out -- Greinke & Clay Buchholz had nearly indentical numbers last night -- Buchholz got his 13th win, the reigning Cy Young winner, nadazerozippo

btw did anyone read the SI cover story on Stan Musial -- good article -- 90 & still active in the St. Louis area --

go Sox -- we have to invade Texas on a 4-game win streak & show them AL East baseball is a cut above the rest -- you'll see Doug! -- always the best


WharfRat - 8/12/2010 at 03:29 PM

LETS GO RANGERS


MundeleinHoward - 8/12/2010 at 05:09 PM

link to photos from Jerry Garcia tribute night 8/9/10 in SF
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=109251


alloak41 - 8/13/2010 at 02:54 AM

Damn. Chipper Jones out for the year with a bad left knee. He had really been swinging the bat well.


jehmutt - 8/13/2010 at 02:56 AM

PHILLIES- down 9-2 going into 8th inning, 4-run 8th, 4-run 9th, win 10-9. Way to go Team DL!!


Stephen - 8/13/2010 at 03:50 PM

There been a few of those types of games recently ...

peace & go Sox

like those Jerry Night photos MHoward thanks


MundeleinHoward - 8/13/2010 at 04:11 PM

quote:
....
like those Jerry Night photos MHoward thanks


not a problem, my pleasure


goldtop - 8/13/2010 at 04:17 PM

SF Giants 66-50 2.5 games back of San Diego I think we lead in the Wild Card standings

Yes nice Jerry Day Photos


MundeleinHoward - 8/13/2010 at 05:07 PM

THIS JUST IN:

Florida Marlins Delay Game Until Their Fan Shows Up

August 13, 2010 | ISSUE 46•32

MIAMI—The Florida Marlins delayed the start of their game against the St. Louis Cardinals last Sunday when Steve, their fan, failed to show up at Sun Life Stadium by the scheduled 1 p.m. start time.

"That's strange," Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez said while squinting up at their sole fan's unoccupied bleacher seat. "It's not like him to be late, especially on a Sunday. And this is his last chance to see us before we go on the road for 10 days."

"Well, we can't really start without him," added Rodriguez, who had earlier called Steve's cell phone and house, but received no answer. "How would that look?"

The third-place Marlins, who have struggled with attendance for some time, have come to count on Steve to lovingly call out players' names, start "Let's go, Marlins" chants, and boo the visiting team. In addition, the team was reportedly excited to see what Steve would write on a sign to make fun of Cardinals first baseman Albert Pujols.

Steve is the only person to attend a Marlins baseball game in eight years.

"I seriously wonder where he could be," said Marlins second baseman Dan Uggla, who suggested the team warm up a little longer to give their fan extra time to show up. "I know his daughter has a dentist appointment, but I'm pretty sure that's next Sunday. Shoot, we'll have to push the game back to 3."

As the delay grew to an hour, dugout sources expressed increasing concern. Players discarded the possibility of Steve being stuck in traffic, as the streets around the ballpark are all but deserted on game days. They also said it was unlikely Steve had been called into the auto parts store where he works, because it is closed on Sundays unless they are doing inventory. Players noted that inventory, however, is always at the end of the month. A check of Steve's Facebook page revealed no family birthdays.

Marlins executives emphasized that in the rare cases when Steve has been delayed he has always been careful to call or at least send an e-mail to Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria.

"But today, nothing," said Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest. "It's weird. He seemed pretty happy at the last game, when we snapped a losing streak by beating the Cardinals, so you'd think he'd be extra excited."

"Man, I hope nothing's wrong with Lisa," Beinfest added.

Despite Steve's tardiness, the Marlins were not especially concerned that their loyal fan would stop coming to games altogether.

"Steve's not like Lloyd or Fowler was," Marlins third baseman Wes Helms told reporters. "He knows all the names of the pitchers, he knows all about the '97 World Series team, all that stuff that a lot of the guys on the team don't even know. Unless something's wrong, he'll be here. I mean, he has to come. He knows full well that today's promotion is Give Steve a Bat Day."

"I really hope he makes it, because sometimes to cheer myself up I look over and try to pick his face out from all the empty seats," pitcher Will Ohman said. "Guys like Steve are the reason I play my butt off. Although I guess in this case it's more just Steve and not so much guys like him."

Meanwhile, St. Louis Cardinals players and coaches were sympathetic to the Marlins' situation, agreeing to take some extra batting practice. However, manager Tony LaRussa said that because the team's plane was scheduled to leave at 7, they could only wait for Steve for another hour, tops.

"Oh, I think that's him pulling into the parking lot," catcher Ronny Paulino said. "Nah, false alarm. Should have know that wasn't him. Steve doesn't drive an SUV

http://www.theonion.com/articles/florida-marlins-delay-game-until-their-fan -shows-u,17891/


DougMacKenzie - 8/13/2010 at 11:04 PM

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LETS GO RANGERS


This is a big series IMHO. The Rangers have to show they are for real and can play with the Big Boys at this time of the year, play through the heat. I really don't know if they will get over the himp or not. Time to find out.

And ratboy, do you know the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee?

A yankee goes back home.


jehmutt - 8/14/2010 at 12:44 AM

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PHILLIES- down 9-2 going into 8th inning, 4-run 8th, 4-run 9th, win 10-9. Way to go Team DL!!


What an amazing game. Go Phils!!!! CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!!!!!

quote:
Damn. Chipper Jones out for the year with a bad left knee. He had really been swinging the bat well.


Even more good news for the Phils. That bastard has tortured me for what seems like an eternity.


It's a way of life for old Phillies fans to be tortured. Dad and I had tickets to the 1964 World Series opener the Phils were supposed to be in. Watching that lead dissipate was unreal. As a result, their recent success is really great to see.


Stephen - 8/17/2010 at 03:08 PM

Boy Chitown -- it's Cubstown alright -- miles out of contention & they still outdraw the ChiSox, who are contending -- a near-sellout at Wrigley last night (36K), while the ChiSox averaged 30G or so over the weekend at Comiskey -- well Morneau or no Morneau it's 2 out of 3 at least for TC this week -- they're top dog in MN whereas the ChiSox are second-raters in their 'hood -- big difference (the crowd)

no crowds in Atlanta & Tampa Bay last night, two contenders, both playing contending teams -- & only 20G in Atl, & 18G in TB -- surprising -- the last year of a coaching legend, Bobby Cox, & everything -- maybe the game is starting to price itself out in these areas -- suppose it could've been the heat too...go home Stephen

go Sawx -- "we'll catch up, it all depends on the hurling"

[Edited on 8/17/2010 by Stephen]

[Edited on 8/17/2010 by Stephen]


Stephen - 8/18/2010 at 02:34 AM

Ellsbury "probably" out for the year -- without him and Youk, things do not get any easier -- I still say we'll catch up though -- the three best teams will be battling for two spots, the div. title & wild card, right to the very end

RIP, Bobby Thomson


fanfrom-71 - 8/18/2010 at 02:45 AM

HEY! How 'bout those...........




























?


gondicar - 8/18/2010 at 04:01 AM

Lots to like about tonight's game at Fenway, but the play of the game goes to visitor Torii Hunter who went up over the bullpen wall to bring back an HR off the bat of Adrian Beltre...they gave the stat that he has 40 HR takeaways in his career. First, I had no idea that was actually tracked. Second, dude has skills.




[Edited on 8/18/2010 by gondicar]


DanB - 8/18/2010 at 05:30 PM

The Braves are targeting Derek Lee in a trade.


WharfRat - 8/19/2010 at 12:01 AM

quote:
The Braves are targeting Derek Lee in a trade.


Target acquired


funkyfitter - 8/19/2010 at 01:41 AM

Here come the Phillies................


WharfRat - 8/19/2010 at 01:42 AM

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The Braves are targeting Derek Lee in a trade.



What happens now? Glaus to 3B? Prado to 2nd?


Glaus to....DL


alloak41 - 8/19/2010 at 01:55 AM

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The Braves are targeting Derek Lee in a trade.



What happens now? Glaus to 3B? Prado to 2nd?


Glaus to DL, then to Triple-A to work on converting back to 3B.


DougMacKenzie - 8/19/2010 at 02:11 PM

The Rangers are wilting like a desert flower in the hot August sun. What a surprise.


Stephen - 8/19/2010 at 02:40 PM

whoops




[Edited on 8/19/2010 by Stephen]


Stephen - 8/19/2010 at 02:49 PM

I hear ya bro -- all the first-placers except the Rangiz are really hitting it right now -- Twins 20 games over .500, playing good (get well soon JMorn) -- no time to relax though, ChiSox have easy schedule (KC then Balt.) coming up, while it's Twins-Rangers Monday

the Sox have to get to 20 games over too, & It's Gotta Happen this weekend -- we'll need to be 25 games over to get back into it -- it's stiff comp in that AL East -- those three will be among the top 4-5 overall MLB finishers at the end of the season -- one of the best teams in baseball won't be in the playoffs, so all the Sox can do is run the table as best they can & win the remaining head to head series -- & on & on -- it should be TB IMO, their crowd doesn't care (what there is of it) -- Sawx & Yankees, the way it should be

-- what about da Braves & Padres -- Atl stocking up to try to win one for retiring skipper Bobby Cox, w/Philly right on their heels -- SD, wailin' despite having the second-lowest payroll in baseball -- the Red Stockings, displacing St.L as top dog there
baseball is wonderful -- love following it all -- Stan Musial was on the cover of SI two weeks ago, maybe it's the SI Curse on the Cahds...no mattah -- keep winnin Sox
(Am like this in person too btw -- a blabbermouth)
well at least you guys have the playoffs all but secured -- you're sure to pick it back up this weekend against the weakling (but improved) Orioles -- awesome lineup w/Josh Hamilton, Vlady etc.

[Edited on 8/19/2010 by Stephen]

[Edited on 8/19/2010 by Stephen]


DougMacKenzie - 8/19/2010 at 03:01 PM

Except Vlady isn't hitting and hasn't for 6 weeks, Cruz and Kinsler on the DL. Pitching hasn't been great, bullpen sucks right now, more errors on defense....looks like the Rangers of yesteryear right now. Hope they can turn it around.


gondicar - 8/19/2010 at 05:25 PM

Clemens is being indicted for perjury...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/sports/baseball/20clemens.html?_r=2


MundeleinHoward - 8/19/2010 at 06:52 PM

quote:
Clemens is being indicted for perjury...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/sports/baseball/20clemens.html?_r=2



OK, so when is Rafael Palmerio going to be as well?


Bhawk - 8/19/2010 at 09:02 PM

Hey! Everyone want to see what a douche looks like?




quote:
Royals owner Glass spikes rumors that he wants to sell the team
By BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star

David Glass has a definitive answer to persistent rumors circulating that he is looking to sell the Royals:

“I have never ever talked to anyone about selling the club,” he said. “Period. I have never had a discussion with anyone about it, and I have no interest in doing so.”

Those rumors continue to buzz through the blogosphere, fueled by occasional discussion on talk radio, but Glass said he was unaware of them until questioned Thursday by The Kansas City Star.

“The only guys who hear rumors are you guys in the media,” he said. “I’m surprised to hear that (we’re looking to sell the club). We’ve never considered it. We’ve never talked to anybody. And we have no interest in talking to anybody about it. Period.”

Glass bought the Royals in April 2000 from the estate of the late Ewing Kauffman after serving the previous seven years as interim chairman and chief executive officer following Kauffman’s death in 1993.

The club, under Glass’ stewardship, experienced a staggering decline in competitiveness after spending the two previous decades among the game’s elite franchises.

The Royals have only one winning season since 1994 and carried a 51-69 record into Thursday’s game against Cleveland at Kauffman Stadium.

Even so, the organization shows signs of reinvigorating itself following sharp increases in funding for scouting and player development over the last four-plus seasons under general manager Dayton Moore.

The club’s farm system now appears loaded with high-end prospects.

“I want to be around for the good times,” Glass chuckled. “I don’t want to miss that. I think we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I think the organization is doing it the right way.

“It’s hard to have the patience that you need, but the payoff will be worth it. I absolutely believe that. I think we’re getting close, and I’m excited about it.”

Glass often gets a first-hand view in assessing many of the organization’s top prospects since he lives just minutes away from its Class AA affiliate in Northwest Arkansas.

“What’s fun is you go to the games down here,” he said, “and see all of the scouts (from other clubs) sitting behind home plate with their radar guns. It’s a sign that you do have some talent when you begin to attract the attention of other teams.

“There are no guarantees, but Dayton and J.J. (Picollo, who oversees the scouting and player-development departments) have enough numbers coming through the system now some percentage of them are going to succeed.

“We know there are no sure things. And some of them won’t wind up being as good as you thought they were going to be. But others will surprise you. What you need are big numbers coming through so the percentage who do succeed get you where you want to go.”

Glass believes the Royals have those numbers in the pipeline and are poised to succeed in coming years. Why would he walk away, he asks, when things finally appear to be falling into place?

“Let’s just keep building on all of this and make it work,” he said. “I am excited, and I really think we’ve done it the right way – as painful as it’s been. It’s hard to have the patience to see it through, but we’re almost there.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/19/2161031/glass-spikes-rumors-saying-he. html



Oh man...

“It’s hard to have the patience that you need, but the payoff will be worth it. I absolutely believe that. I think we’re getting close, and I’m excited about it.”


gondicar - 8/19/2010 at 10:28 PM

Bill "Spaceman" Lee is awesome. Back in professional baseball at 63 years young...as a PLAYER! Just signed with the Brockton Rox of the Can-Am league, first start is Sept 5th.

Here is a guy that truely loves the game. Hurt his throwing arm in one of those classic Sox/Yanks brawls in the 70s and never was the same after that, although he pitched for several more years with Boston and Montreal, and to this day still pitches over 200 innings per year in over-40 men's leagues in New England and Atlantic Canada. And still as quotable as ever!

If you've never seen the documentary about his barnstorming trip through Cuba from a few years ago, it is worth watching for a baseball fan. It is called "Spaceman: A Baseball Odessy", really good if you're a baseball fan. Includes Luis Tiant's first trip back to his native land if I recall. http://www.spacemanincuba.com/


alloak41 - 8/20/2010 at 01:34 AM

quote:
If you've never seen the documentary about his barnstorming trip through Cuba from a few years ago, it is worth watching for a baseball fan. It is called "Spaceman: A Baseball Odessy", really good if you're a baseball fan. Includes Luis Tiant's first trip back to his native land if I recall. http://www.spacemanincuba.com/


Loved it. If you were to grade a bullsh*tter on a 1 to 10 scale I would put him at an 11. Bill Lee is freaking hilarious.


Stephen - 8/20/2010 at 01:48 AM

Got to meet Bill earlier this year -- he lives right in the area -- a great guy who loves the game of baseball alright


gondicar - 8/20/2010 at 02:16 PM

quote:
quote:
If you've never seen the documentary about his barnstorming trip through Cuba from a few years ago, it is worth watching for a baseball fan. It is called "Spaceman: A Baseball Odessy", really good if you're a baseball fan. Includes Luis Tiant's first trip back to his native land if I recall. http://www.spacemanincuba.com/


Loved it. If you were to grade a bullsh*tter on a 1 to 10 scale I would put him at an 11. Bill Lee is freaking hilarious.


Something we can agree on.


DougMacKenzie - 8/20/2010 at 02:32 PM

Rangers lose again. Not good.


Stephen - 8/20/2010 at 03:03 PM

Try to not beat a dead horse & haven't too much -- but, the latest MLB-designer injury

San Diego's Tony Grwynn, out for the year after fracturing a bone in his hand
incurred, while swinging the bat

this rivals Jose Guillen's torn ACL incurred last year while putting on his hitting pads

seems that Gwynn fractured the "hamate" bone in his hand -- again, another part of the anatomy unique only to MLB players -- you know hamate strains/sprains/hurties are on the way now...

they get the best of everything, are treated like kings -- and they have the bodies of china dolls -- one of our catchers now has a "leg infection" -- how the heck do you get a leg infection when you never even play? These guys are monitored for safety 24/7

going by the replay, how anyone could come come away with a "concussion" and "sore ribs" after what was little more than a pushing & shouting match last week between Cincinnati & St. Louis, is hard to comprehend --

my gosh these guys are crybabies...ARod for instance, with his "low-grade calf strain"

at least they don't care though -- they know they hold themselves up as out-of-shape prima donnas

wish I had ESPN Classic -- they're showing the Pirates tonite when they were the Pirates (1979 Series)

Go Sox -- we need to go 27-12 or so down the stretch to have a shot


DanB - 8/22/2010 at 03:57 PM

Lou is stepping down today after the game. Go Braves send him out in style.


alloak41 - 8/22/2010 at 06:44 PM

The GM Hendry needs to follow him out the door for tying up a ridiculous amount of money on Zambrano, Fukudome, Soriano.


Stephen - 8/23/2010 at 04:44 PM

take a tumble, hello DL -- Ron Mahay, broken down to bits fielding a ground ball & slipping -- now he joins Joe "Iron Man McGinnity II" Neshek on the vacation list formerly known as the disabled list

on the better side, Awesome stuff going on between Albert Puljos & Joey Votto -- can't remember when A player, much less 2, have had this realistic a shot at the Triple Crown -- even Miguel Cabrera would have a shot in the AL too, if it weren't for Josh Hamilton & Bautista being way ahead -- that St.L-Cincy Laybah Day series should be a bahn-burnah

"to make the playoffs we must be at least 25 games over .500"


gondicar - 8/24/2010 at 12:35 PM

How about this for a statistical anomoly...there were a total of 17 hits in the Sox/Mariners game last night and they were ALL singles.

[Edited on 8/24/2010 by gondicar]


alloak41 - 8/25/2010 at 03:50 AM

Astros and Phillies tied at 2-2 in the 15th. Oswalt is playing LF.


gondicar - 8/25/2010 at 10:24 PM

Oy vey! It just keeps getting better and better...Lester scratched from his start tonight so he can cover for DiceK on Friday who has been scratched due to bad back. So now it's Wakefield vs. Felix the Cat tonight, eek. Oh well, at least Beckett finally got a W today.


MundeleinHoward - 8/25/2010 at 10:44 PM

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I watched that video and I didn't see any taunting.


Not even after the very first incident, when the ump put his hands on his hips like Howard, and stared him down?


Howard was giving him grief. The umpire didn't say anything. That's fine, you see it differently, but Howard deserved to get tossed for his antics.


who the EF is Scott Barry? a AAA umpire filling in for another ump on vacation? at any rate, it didn't look like a swing to me, but Howard really lost his cool


DanB - 8/25/2010 at 11:50 PM

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Rockies win 12-10. What a great game.


NO!!!

[Edited on 8/25/2010 by DanB]


fanfrom-71 - 8/26/2010 at 12:06 AM

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Rockies win 12-10. What a great game.
What a comeback!
I was keeping an eye on that one as I watched the Ray's get SPANKED 12-3 !


DanB - 8/26/2010 at 02:33 AM

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Rockies win 12-10. What a great game.


NO!!!

[Edited on 8/25/2010 by DanB]


You had to edit that? BTW, it was a great series.


NO!!!!!!!!!


alloak41 - 8/26/2010 at 03:48 AM

Why in the hell would you put Kyle Farnsworth into a situation like that? Where was Wagner?


spacemonkey - 8/26/2010 at 04:04 AM

Orioles beat the White Sux. 4-2


WharfRat - 8/27/2010 at 01:49 AM

Pujols hits #400 tonight

God, I hope this guy is clean..

Sadly I dont trust any of them anymore. Though I think ANY of them that still do that sh!t are freaking idiots at this point.


alloak41 - 8/27/2010 at 02:47 PM

ASTROS SWEEP PHILLIES FOUR STRAIGHT!!!

Bobby Cox thanks you!


DanB - 8/30/2010 at 01:39 PM

Braves and Mets this week. Looks like we'll be there Thursday night.


alloak41 - 8/30/2010 at 02:24 PM

Great comeback win yesterday in Atlanta. A three run eighth, then two homers in the 9th inning.


fanfrom-71 - 8/30/2010 at 02:52 PM

GO RAY'S!


alloak41 - 8/30/2010 at 02:58 PM

quote:
GO RAY'S!


Best team in baseball, IMO.


fanfrom-71 - 8/30/2010 at 03:08 PM

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GO RAY'S!


Best team in baseball, IMO.
Wow! Some love for the Ray's.
Don't see that around here much.
Hope they're WS bound again.


gondicar - 8/30/2010 at 04:50 PM

Looks like Manny is going to the windy city...I just hope they have him signed by Friday when the White Sox come to Fenway, that could be fun (assuming Earl doesn't foul the entire weekend).


WharfRat - 8/30/2010 at 11:50 PM

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GO RAY'S!


Best team in baseball, IMO.
Wow! Some love for the Ray's.
Don't see that around here much.
Hope they're WS bound again.


Umm no.


Stephen - 8/31/2010 at 02:06 AM

quote:
Wow! Some love for the Ray's.
Don't see that around here much.
Hope they're WS bound again.


not much of it in their hometown either
11,900 for their game tonite? -- for the best team in MLB?
Lame -- even the Pirates draw better
Go Sox -- Tampa Bay is a great team, no doubt about it, but we'll show them the door w/3 straight butt kickings this weekend in Fenway

[Edited on 8/31/2010 by Stephen]


Lee - 9/1/2010 at 10:47 AM

quote:
Things that contribute to ATL's crowds.

1. Atlanta metro area consists of probably about 50-60% transplants.
2. A TON of their seats are corporate-purchased season tickets.
3. Transplants don't really care if they go or not.

It has always tickled me how a team like Chicago will come to town, and some dumba## announcer will say "Look at all of the Cubs' fans that made the trip down from Chicago!!!!!!!". They never consider the fact that there are probably half a million Chicago transplants living in the ATL.



You beat me to the punch on that one. The Braves don't even sell out playoff games. I imagine the demographics of the Marlins and Rays are like this as well. Being a baseball junkie, I would go see anyone play but a lot of people just like the local team from where they are from.


DougMacKenzie - 9/1/2010 at 10:50 AM

Man, this Cliff Lee guy sucks!


WharfRat - 9/1/2010 at 01:48 PM

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Man, this Cliff Lee guy sucks!


Trade ya for Javy Vazquez.


WharfRat - 9/1/2010 at 02:02 PM

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Man, this Cliff Lee guy sucks!


Trade ya for Javy Vazquez.


The Braves will give you Melky for him.


Ugg.. no thanks.


WharfRat - 9/1/2010 at 02:16 PM

As the calandar flips to September, the Yanks are in first place.

All is right with the world


DanB - 9/1/2010 at 02:31 PM

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As the calandar flips to September, the Braves are in first place.

All is right with the world


Hope? I know this helps


Stephen - 9/1/2010 at 02:54 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Wow! Some love for the Ray's.
Don't see that around here much.
Hope they're WS bound again.


not much of it in their hometown either
11,900 for their game tonite? -- for the best team in MLB?
Lame -- even the Pirates draw better
Go Sox -- Tampa Bay is a great team, no doubt about it, but we'll show them the door w/3 straight butt kickings this weekend in Fenway

[Edited on 8/31/2010 by Stephen]


Turner Field in Atlanta is more than half empty as well.


Even in Cincinnati, the hottest team in baseball, w/Triple Crown candidate Joey Votto the talk of the majors, & with the newest phee-nom, Cuban defector Aroldis Chapman, making his heralded 100-mph debut -- less than 20G last night

Go Sox -- let it be 8 straight over Balt., the ChiSox & TB


DougMacKenzie - 9/1/2010 at 04:17 PM

quote:
Hey Doug, nice walk off wild pitch. To the Royals, no less.


It's still so hard for me to take the Rangers seriously, even with the bats coming around, players returning from the DL, and the season Hamilton is having. What a waste is they don't make some noise in the playoffs.


fanfrom-71 - 9/1/2010 at 04:33 PM

quote:
As the calandar flips to September, the Yanks are in first place.

All is right with the world
I'm sure that will change soon!


GO RAYS!!!


alloak41 - 9/1/2010 at 08:47 PM

RED-HOT ASTROS SWEEP CARDS!!


gondicar - 9/1/2010 at 11:19 PM

quote:
Go Sox -- let it be 8 straight over Balt., the ChiSox & TB


Like your optimism, wish I shared it.


skypup - 9/2/2010 at 03:01 AM

How bout the Redlegs!!! 8 game up on the Cards! Guys coming off the bench hitting upper deck homers. Jay Bruce replaces injured Brandon Phillips in the leadoff spot and hits 3 home runs! Aroldis Chapman, Mr 105 gets his first win tonight.


Sang - 9/2/2010 at 04:01 AM

Especially with Dusty as manager....... the Cardinals have just absolutely sucked against 2nd division teams...... bring on football.... or hockey..........


WharfRat - 9/2/2010 at 04:06 AM

quote:
quote:
As the calandar flips to September, the Yanks are in first place.

All is right with the world
I'm sure that will change soon!


GO RAYS!!!


8 head to head games left.

This is gonna be fun


Stephen - 9/2/2010 at 02:36 PM

quote:
Awesome stuff going on between Albert Puljos & Joey Votto -- can't remember when A player, much less 2, have had this realistic a shot at the Triple Crown -- that St.L-Cincy Laybah Day series should be a bahn-burnah




NAHHT
The Cahds have folded --
Votto & Puljos are still battling though, & there's a third kid, Gonzalez (Colorado), who's on the Triple Crown periphery & still w/an outside mathematical shot too

kinda like the Sawx -- having a helluva year but a little too far out on the bubble chasing the other two

head to head matchup last night of two Cy Young pitchers, Lincecum & Jiminez, huge game in SF -- & many empty seats -- one of lower attendances for them this year (31K)

very strange this trend of shrinking crowds -- it's sure to change over the weekend though


Stephen - 9/7/2010 at 03:34 PM

kicked to the Yawkey Way curb awn Laybah Day weekend -- 6 1/2 is not yet a mathematical impossibility though

no matter what the Sox' farm system is one of if not the best in baseball -- their Triple A players have responded awesome this year

Twins haven't lost since Friday, when all their greats were introduced at the new stadium -- Kirby posthumously, Killebrew, Oliva, Hrbek, Dan Gladden, Chili Davis, Don Baylor etc. -- who were probably all dismayed at the decimated condition of the roster -- Morneau may have a Carmen Vingo type injury -- a great career in jeopardy, just awful -- MN has done great to do as well as they have this year w/out Morneau & Nathan -- it may not last though as they have numerous players & pitchers w/the typical strains & other things

SD ends skid, with their overflow crowd hanging on every pitch -- Not -- less than half full, for the Dodgers -- the Pads were one of the best before this streak, AND w/the 2nd-lowest payroll, but have only averaged 25G this year -- guess baseball isn't the thing in SD -- nor in TB, Atlanta, Cincinnati & other first-place cities where the turnout has also been lackluster this year -- very surprising

And yet, maybe not -- I mean it's always right in the papers about what people read & their impression of major league ballplayers & paying huge $ to see a game played by this injury-prone of players

just this morning for instance...
Rookie pitcher in Fla on Sunday makes dazzling big-league debut -- allows 1 hit in six shutout innings in first-ever MLB start, a young kid pumped to the nines...
...who then leaves the game -- with an injury
incurred, while running to first base
what kind of injury you might ask?
you'd never believe it -- something you never see in MLB
a "strained qudricep"

THAT is what people will remember about this kid & MLBers in general, not how he pitched, & should be that way
sorry for being unable to shut up about this stuff -- but it's Every Single Day in the paper, these utterly nothing & avoidable "injuries"
Peace & you rock, BoSox -- with ya every step of the way


[Edited on 9/7/2010 by Stephen]


alloak41 - 9/7/2010 at 03:54 PM

At 12th of 16, I'm surprised Cincy isn't drawing better...

Checked on Lance Berkman since joining the Yankees. He's 12-51(.235) 0 HR, 4 RBI...Ouch. Rumor is he wants to go back to Houston, if they would want him back.


Stephen - 9/7/2010 at 05:34 PM

That's right where San Diego is too, tied for 12th-worst w/Cincy w/nearly identical numbers (25G) -- Atlanta was just over 30G, more than I thought, but they've been well under that in recent homestands -- Tampa Bay, unbelievable -- averaging only 22G per home game this year

fragile athletes & exorbitant ticket prices -- not the right equation for big-time attendance


fanfrom-71 - 9/7/2010 at 05:42 PM

Just for the record. Baastin sucks,and luckily,so do the Yanks right now!
GO RAYS!!!


MundeleinHoward - 9/7/2010 at 11:14 PM

quote:
Go Sox -- let it be 8 straight over Balt., the ChiSox & TB

Hey Stephen, how did that happen? ChiSox swept the Sawx?


fanfrom-71 - 9/8/2010 at 01:04 AM

Eff the green monster!


DanB - 9/8/2010 at 01:33 AM

The Braves are choking in Pittsburgh.


Stephen - 9/8/2010 at 01:59 AM

quote:
quote:
Go Sox -- let it be 8 straight over Balt., the ChiSox & TB

Hey Stephen, how did that happen? ChiSox swept the Sawx?


It's all bad bro
& even worse right now -- 14-2
at least some/most of our injuries this year were legit -- broken bones & the like
our farm system is sound -- that's the only positive right now
& don't forget -- it aint ovah yet

you guys had a good little run before tonite too -- maybe Manny will make a difference


mbtogo4 - 9/8/2010 at 07:45 AM

PHILLIES FINALLY BACK TO 1ST PLACE......

NOW IF THEY CAN ONLY GET THOSE BATS CLICKING

GO PHILLIES......


DougMacKenzie - 9/8/2010 at 12:35 PM

Rangers are folding as usual. Thank goodness for the Cowboys.


bob1954 - 9/8/2010 at 03:01 PM

Since the Tigers folded midway through the season I've been looking for a little diversion and found this:

quote:
63-Year-Old Bill Lee Pitches, Wins



The Grizzled old hippie started a game for the Brockton Rox over the weekend. It was a publicity stunt, sure, but the old dude was still pretty good!

Spaceman went 5 and 1/3, and gave up two runs on five hits. He even managed to strike out a guy 33 years his junior. Sure, the Can-Am league is no great shakes, but a lot of these guys played AA and even AAA ball; they're no patsies.

Said opposing manager Rich Gedman (wow, Red Sox reunion!): "How many people could pull that off? That's what is special. He did it because he believed he could do it. He loves to play. That's a wonderful tribute to him. Despite all the other stuff that people talk about, baseball is special to him and it's fun to watch him."

Opposing hitters said they were wholly unprepared for 50 eephus pitches in a row.

Lee was unavailable for comment because he's, like, so high right now, man.

http://deadspin.com/5631782/63+year+old-bill-lee-pitches-wins


Stephen - 9/8/2010 at 03:12 PM

quote:
Rangers are folding as usual. Thank goodness for the Cowboys.


Fear not bro, you're in like flint -- no BoSox/Rays, or Giants/Colo. to contend with -- yeah those other teams are skidding a little too -- they usually rest their regulars the last few games anyway before the playoffs...

now it's Gonzalez making a run at the Triple Crown!!!! Paul Konerko has been going crazy lately too & is in the top 5 or 10 of the 3 categories...but Gonzalez has come from out of nowhere it seems...

the Cowboys? The 'Pokes??
"America's Team"?????
ugh -- I feel for ya bro (lol)

SPACEMAN YOU ROCK BRO

[Edited on 9/8/2010 by Stephen]


DanB - 9/8/2010 at 03:20 PM

quote:
quote:
The Braves are choking in Pittsburgh.


Not good. We're not picking the right time of year to be tanking.


Thye bottom of the order has not produced. I hated the Ankiel and Lee deals.


alloak41 - 9/8/2010 at 04:01 PM

The Braves are 13-12 since Chipper hurt his knee.


Lee - 9/9/2010 at 10:55 AM

quote:
Braves are getting roughed up by the Pirates, the Yankees getting hammered by the Orioles, and the Phils are back in 1st. Life is good.



Atl 9
Pit 3

NYY 3
Balt 2


WharfRat - 9/9/2010 at 11:05 AM

Yes, life IS good.


fanfrom-71 - 9/14/2010 at 02:44 AM

quote:
Yes, life IS good.


Yes it is.
Rays back in first place. What a game! Thought they really blew it after the chance in the 11th.

GO RAYS!


DougMacKenzie - 9/14/2010 at 12:47 PM

quote:
Yes, life IS good.



Yes, it is. Especially after the Rangers sweep 3 from the Yanks.


Stephen - 9/14/2010 at 03:19 PM

Only 12G in the stands in Cincinnati last night, their lowest turnout of a year where the Reds have played good -- indifferent fans too in Atlanta (18G) & as usual Tampa Bay, with more empty-than-full seats for a better-than-the-playoffs showdown of the two best teams in baseball

they still love the Cahds in St. Loo though (40G), even though they're out of it -- it will be fun to see which 1 of those 4 NL teams (Atl/Phila., and SD/SF) doesn't make it -- I think the Pahds, they've played awesome but reality in the form of their 2nd-lowest payroll will catch up

2 out of 3 will sew it up for the Twins -- guessing no more than 25G in attendance, even though the ChiSox still have an outside chance -- it's all about the Cubbies in ChiTown, they're long-gone too

BoSox all but done too -- players like Wake, Lowell, others who won't be back -- we played really good this year, w/key injuries -- & no bull **** "non-displaced fracture of the lower leg" as reported in Friday's paper --


Stephen - 9/14/2010 at 03:47 PM

somebody, anybody
I've forgotten who the player was, but it was in last Friday's paper
...but just asking seriously

has anyone ever heard of the injury "a non-displaced fracture of the lower leg"?
what the **** is a "non-displaced fracture"?
if it's a DISplaced fracture does that mean the bone is displaced, or maybe some sort of hairline fracture?

that term simply doesn't make any sense -- a "non-displaced fracture"


am convinced these reports, which are in the paper every single day, keep fans away from the game, showing as they do in plain black and white that these players are pussies, another term for extremely injury-prone

no part of the MLB anatomy is left unchecked in looking for every single ailment, anything that could possibly go wrong, to keep them from whining -- Dwight Evans got beaned in 1974 and played with dizzy spells the rest of the year -- the modern-day player and his agent would only look at that and wonder why the player didn't sue the club for playing him in that condition -- it's ridiculous -- strained triceps, strained biceps, strained quadriceps, strained back -- pitchers and relievers with sore elbows, sore shoulders, forearm tightness --

in short, the medical profession has benefited greatly from the multibillion dollar baseball industry -- clubhouses are now as much medical clinics, staffed as much by trainers and medical personnel as baseball players, MRI machines etc as prominent as bat racks and lockers

understood that people can get injured playing baseball -- MLBers play not to get injured -- you have pitchers being "shut down for the year" nowadays -- on the rare occasions when they run out a ground ball, "sore calf" "pulled muscle" etc etc, and we've seen many times what happens when they fall or collide -- "done for the year"


fanfrom-71 - 9/14/2010 at 08:44 PM

From WikiAnswers.

What is a nondisplaced fracture involving the greater tuberosity?


nondisplaced fracture//the bone cracks with the broken peices still in alignment.
Tuberosity//knoblike process.
Process// prominant projection.

There are many tuberosities on many of our bones. When you say greater, I assume it is in the femur, the "Greater Trochanter"? The femur has a gluteal tuberosity below the Greater Trochanter. Either way its a cracked bone where the tuberosity is or was.

Hope this helps.


fanfrom-71 - 9/14/2010 at 08:45 PM

Oh yeah..... GO RAYS!!!


WharfRat - 9/15/2010 at 01:41 AM

I hate the Rays...

No really.. I HATE the effin Rays


fanfrom-71 - 9/15/2010 at 01:45 AM

quote:
I hate the Rays...

No really.. I HATE the effin Rays
Bet you didn't feel that way before the 5th inning of tonights game!


WharfRat - 9/15/2010 at 02:03 AM

quote:
quote:
I hate the Rays...

No really.. I HATE the effin Rays
Bet you didn't feel that way before the 5th inning of tonights game!


Oh.. I did.

What is worse.. Its usually Longoria that kills us. And he not.

Ugg!


WharfRat - 9/15/2010 at 02:05 AM

Its pretty sad though.

Rays are one of the best teams in all of baseball.

Its September and the Yanks are in town, and they are fighting it out for 1st place.

And the stadium is half empty??

WTF!

I think even Maddon commented on it.


WharfRat - 9/15/2010 at 02:27 AM

sigh.

Eff Otie.


fanfrom-71 - 9/15/2010 at 02:35 AM

quote:
quote:
Its pretty sad though.

Rays are one of the best teams in all of baseball.

Its September and the Yanks are in town, and they are fighting it out for 1st place.

And the stadium is half empty??

WTF!

I think even Maddon commented on it.


For whatever reason, neither Florida team draws well. Even when the Marlins won the World Series they didn't draw well. The recession is hurting a lot of teams this year.
zactly.
This area is one of the hardest hit in the state,with Hernando ct being the worse off.
NICE catch by Granderson!


fanfrom-71 - 9/15/2010 at 03:00 AM

Your turn to take the lead.
Great game. Damn Yankees!


WharfRat - 9/15/2010 at 10:41 AM

quote:
Your turn to take the lead.
Great game. Damn Yankees!


HIP HIP..JORGE!


BIGV - 9/15/2010 at 10:43 AM






go padres


WharfRat - 9/15/2010 at 10:46 AM

You dont sound so convincing..


spacemonkey - 9/15/2010 at 10:48 AM

quote:





go padres


go away

Giants are back to not hitting, just in time for the race to the playoffs.

and Uribe makes a error and the Zito gives up one hit and loses 1-0 on an unearned run.
Way to go Giants!



Stephen - 9/15/2010 at 03:55 PM

quote:
From WikiAnswers.

What is a nondisplaced fracture involving the greater tuberosity?


nondisplaced fracture//the bone cracks with the broken peices still in alignment.
Tuberosity//knoblike process.
Process// prominant projection.

There are many tuberosities on many of our bones. When you say greater, I assume it is in the femur, the "Greater Trochanter"? The femur has a gluteal tuberosity below the Greater Trochanter. Either way its a cracked bone where the tuberosity is or was.

Hope this helps.


Thanks!
looked up info just now on the hamate bone (SD's Gwynn recently fractured it swinging the bat), pretty much the same thing -- medical lingo -- all translating to "I'm in pain" MLB-wise -- thanks again -- quite the game last night -- the two best in baseball

BoSox forever


fanfrom-71 - 9/15/2010 at 05:03 PM

quote:
quite the game last night
'Coulda been better. unfortunately the Yankees won!


DanB - 9/15/2010 at 08:38 PM

Braves lose 2 of 3 to the Nats


mbtogo4 - 9/15/2010 at 11:40 PM

Looks like the Phillies are finally starting to hit on all cylinders....
They might be on a roll .
GO PHILLIES


fanfrom-71 - 9/16/2010 at 01:28 AM

I'ma gonna' be really pi$$ed if the Yanks win off of Jeters freebie in the 7th!
That boy could sell waterfront property in Kansas after that move.


fanfrom-71 - 9/16/2010 at 01:34 AM

4-3 Ray's.
Hope your elbow feels better Derek.


WharfRat - 9/16/2010 at 01:47 AM

Ahh.. Just like the grizzeled veteran that he is


fanfrom-71 - 9/16/2010 at 01:57 AM

quote:
Ahh.. Just like the grizzeled veteran that he is
He sure was grizzled tonight!
I'm amazed his elbow wasn't shattered in a million pieces the way it sounded when he got "hit".


fanfrom-71 - 9/16/2010 at 02:20 AM

Our turn again.
See ya' in the Bronx next week!


WharfRat - 9/16/2010 at 02:20 AM

AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!


See ya next week


DanB - 9/16/2010 at 02:30 AM

quote:
quote:
Braves lose 2 of 3 to the Nats




I think we're cooked. And NOW we get to go on the road.


9 games


MundeleinHoward - 9/17/2010 at 05:33 AM


stick a fork in the White Sox, they're done. Worst roll-over & quit I've seen from them in a long time! DAMN I'm disgusted! ManRam's been a extremely worthless addition-hitting a weak .293 with 13 Ks, NO extra base hits & NO RBI, way to play for next year's contract, you useless POS.

At least the Giants are playing well, in 1st place, alone, for the 1st time since early May! GO GIANTS!!!


goldtop - 9/17/2010 at 05:33 AM

GO GIANTS .5 ahead in the NL west standing after handing a can of woop@$$ to the Dodgers....It's oh so much more rewarding when we beat the little boys in blue to take a lead in the standings. The final home stand against the Padres can be the tell tale series. But hopefully we can puit a few games between us before then


spacemonkey - 9/17/2010 at 05:36 AM

quote:
GO GIANTS .5 ahead in the NL west standing after handing a can of woop@$$ to the Dodgers....It's oh so much more rewarding when we beat the little boys in blue to take a lead in the standings. The final home stand against the Padres can be the tell tale series. But hopefully we can puit a few games between us before then


the bats woke up tonight.


Stephen - 9/17/2010 at 02:28 PM

What about the Twinkies, at 42-16 the hottest team since the All Star break -- they've caught up to NY & TB -- how awesome is that -- not since Jacobs Field opened in '94 has a new stadium had such an impact -- bet they'll have a multiple-season string of sellouts like Cleveland did when the Jake opened w/players like Manny, ABelle, KLofton, JThome, OHershiser briefly, etc --

what about the Rangiz, on fiya too & w/out Hamilton (shout out to Doug MacKenzie, hey bro!)

both will probably be toast come the playoffs though
maybe this will be the year the Twins beat NY -- Carl Pavano, 16-11 & up there in IP & other categories -- a real workhorse he's been this year -- kind of like a Bert Blyleven-type year

hearup bra, "SH!T IS NOT OVER YET"


Stephen - 9/17/2010 at 03:08 PM

quote:

If Pavano beats the Yankees in the playoffs, Yankee fans will be jumping off bridges all over the city.


Too funny -- "George spent all that dough rehabbing him, & now he kicks our ass"


DanB - 9/17/2010 at 09:43 PM

Torre replaced Bobby Cox once before

one can hope


fanfrom-71 - 9/21/2010 at 03:01 AM

Yanks=8
Rays=6
AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....GH


WharfRat - 9/21/2010 at 12:44 PM

quote:
Yanks=8
Rays=6
AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....GH



WharfRat - 9/21/2010 at 12:44 PM

quote:
I am praying for a world series rematch.


Be careful what you wish for


WharfRat - 9/21/2010 at 12:46 PM

quote:
Joe Torre has announced he is stepping down as manager of the Dodgers at the end of the season. Don Mattingly will replace him.

I'll be interested to hear Wharfy weigh in on this one. I know Chuck wants Mattingly to manage the Yankees.


I am happy with the job Girardi has done. I wish Donny the best of luck, and will leave it at that.

It was great ( and suprising) to see Donny and Torre at the stadium last night.


Stephen - 9/21/2010 at 03:02 PM

Unbelievable -- the Royales pile up 16 hits for Zack Greinke last night, but are shut out in all but one inning, and Greinke loses & drops to 9-13 -- he needs to get out of KC, he deserves to pitch somewhere where he can win

this year's Cy winner, Hernandez, Seattle -- he'd be a 25-game winner anywhere else
in the NL, Halladay, hands down -- one of the few who's taken the ball every fourth day w/out complaining & who doesn't like coming out of games

looking indeed like a WS rematch -- would like to see Atl. make the wild card because of Bobby Cox -- good to see those guys back at the stadium yesterday, Torre was so successful there & Mattingly played his whole career there


fanfrom-71 - 9/22/2010 at 02:25 AM

Well the Ray's certainly sucked tonight!
Frickin' frackin' Yankees.


WharfRat - 9/22/2010 at 10:54 AM

quote:
Well the Ray's certainly sucked tonight!
Frickin' frackin' Yankees.



fanfrom-71 - 9/23/2010 at 10:25 AM

Late game in New York last night,but it ended on the right note!
GO RAYS!!!


Lee - 9/23/2010 at 01:14 PM

quote:
quote:
Well the Ray's certainly sucked tonight!
Frickin' frackin' Yankees.







So do you still hate the move to pick up Kerry Wood and his 0.39 ERA lights-out performance?


Sang - 9/23/2010 at 01:18 PM

Nice to see the Cardinals completely throw in the towel and just lose every game till the end of the season...except they did beat San Diego.......


Lee - 9/23/2010 at 02:28 PM

quote:
Nice to see the Cardinals completely throw in the towel and just lose every game till the end of the season...except they did beat San Diego.......


Yeah, disappointing season. Haven't heard about Pujols in two months.


DanB - 9/23/2010 at 03:57 PM

I want to congratulate Bobby Cox on his retirement that started about a month ago.


Stephen - 9/23/2010 at 04:19 PM

quote:
I want to congratulate Bobby Cox on his retirement that started about a month ago.


They can still make the wild card though


WharfRat - 9/24/2010 at 12:52 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Well the Ray's certainly sucked tonight!
Frickin' frackin' Yankees.







So do you still hate the move to pick up Kerry Wood and his 0.39 ERA lights-out performance?



WharfRat - 9/24/2010 at 12:54 AM

Motha effin Javy Vazqez!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

So help me God, this effin POS better NOT be on the postseason roster.


gondicar - 9/24/2010 at 01:05 AM

quote:
Motha effin Javy Vazqez!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

So help me God, this effin POS better NOT be on the postseason roster.


CC blew out his elbow, Burnett broke a knuckle punching the bathroom stall, Pettitte died of old age, and Hughes has a bad case of diaper rash. Looks like Vazquez is your game 1 starter.


fanfrom-71 - 9/24/2010 at 01:11 AM

Yankees=3
Rays=10
2 out of 4. I'm happy wit dat!

GO SOX!!!


WharfRat - 9/24/2010 at 01:30 AM

quote:
quote:
Motha effin Javy Vazqez!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

So help me God, this effin POS better NOT be on the postseason roster.


CC blew out his elbow, Burnett broke a knuckle punching the bathroom stall, Pettitte died of old age, and Hughes has a bad case of diaper rash. Looks like Vazquez is your game 1 starter.




Umm no.


WharfRat - 9/24/2010 at 01:31 AM

Oh and..

Bring on the Sawx


DanB - 9/24/2010 at 04:15 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I want to congratulate Bobby Cox on his retirement that started about a month ago.


They can still make the wild card though


I dunno, man. I think we used up Lady Luck earlier this season. It'd be nice if she'd visit us soon again, though.


Lady Luck done ran out on me


BIGV - 9/24/2010 at 04:18 PM















go padres











IPowrie - 9/24/2010 at 04:40 PM

As the Tigers faded down the stretch I lost interest in the season but Im ready for the playoffs.


WharfRat - 9/25/2010 at 12:14 AM

Somebody effin shoot me...


fanfrom-71 - 9/25/2010 at 01:05 AM

quote:
Somebody effin shoot me...
How 'bout those Sox?
How 'bout those Rays?!
Of course the Yankees made me wait to the last pitch to post this. L of a game!


WharfRat - 9/25/2010 at 09:23 AM


gondicar - 9/25/2010 at 01:05 PM

quote:



Already beat ya to it a few weeks back.


WharfRat - 9/25/2010 at 11:09 PM

No..really....


gondicar - 9/26/2010 at 11:25 AM

Odds still stacked against the Sox (sure they COULD win out, but I'd feel better about their chances if they had Youk, Pedroia and Ellsbury), but at least they won't get eliminated in the Stadium and a sweep would be nice even if not all that meaningful. Lester still has a shot at 20 wins, so that's a bright spot.


DougMacKenzie - 9/26/2010 at 01:51 PM

I can't believe it! The Rangers actually won the AL West.


DanB - 9/26/2010 at 02:21 PM

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fanfrom-71 - 9/26/2010 at 03:06 PM


and a sweep would be nice even if not all that meaningful
Yes it would,and...SURE IT WOULD BE!
GO RAYS!!!
P.S. Don't jump Wharfy.


gondicar - 9/27/2010 at 10:17 AM

Rivera and Papelbon each blow a save in the same game. Ain't that cute.

Feeling any better today, Mr. Rat?


WharfRat - 9/27/2010 at 10:49 PM

quote:
Rivera and Papelbon each blow a save in the same game. Ain't that cute.

Feeling any better today, Mr. Rat?


I was till that motha effin AJ Burnett stepped on the mound.

We are effing screwed.

I am calling it now, we will be BOUNCED in the first round..maybe even swept.


gondicar - 9/28/2010 at 10:31 AM

Girardi Announces Playoff Rotation

NEW YORK (AP) - Yankee skipper Joe Girardi has announced his starters for the first round of the playoffs. In a surprise move, he said his plan for the best of five game ALDS series will be to start 20-game winner CC Sabthia in game 1, pray for 4 days of rain, then start Sabathia in game 2, pray for 4 days of rain, then start Sabthia in game 3. If games 4 and 5 become necessary, he will continue to pray for rain in order to start Sabthia in each of those games as well.

For the full story CLICK HERE.


fanfrom-71 - 9/28/2010 at 10:34 AM

quote:
Girardi Announces Playoff Rotation

NEW YORK (AP) - Yankee skipper Joe Girardi has announced his starters for the first round of the playoffs. In a surprise move, he said his plan for the best of five game ALDS series will be to start 20-game winner CC Sabthia in game 1, pray for 4 days of rain, then start Sabathia in game 2, pray for 4 days of rain, then start Sabthia in game 3. If games 4 and 5 become necessary, he will continue to pray for rain in order to start Sabthia in each of those games as well.

For the full story CLICK HERE.
LMAO!!!


fanfrom-71 - 9/29/2010 at 12:08 AM

GO







Stephen - 9/29/2010 at 01:13 AM

I'm sure they wish they had more fans like you fanfrom-71 -- to try to stimulate local interest in the Rays, they're GIVING AWAY 20,000 free tickets to their home finale -- how they can operate at a profit down there I don't know -- but they are dynamite -- a good ballclub -- was good to see Longoria, Price & the others rip their fans -- that supposedly is what spurred the freebie offer

nice going NY & TB


WharfRat - 9/29/2010 at 02:29 AM

quote:
Girardi Announces Playoff Rotation

NEW YORK (AP) - Yankee skipper Joe Girardi has announced his starters for the first round of the playoffs. In a surprise move, he said his plan for the best of five game ALDS series will be to start 20-game winner CC Sabthia in game 1, pray for 4 days of rain, then start Sabathia in game 2, pray for 4 days of rain, then start Sabthia in game 3. If games 4 and 5 become necessary, he will continue to pray for rain in order to start Sabthia in each of those games as well.

For the full story CLICK HERE.


This would be sad if it werent true.


fanfrom-71 - 9/29/2010 at 09:20 PM

quote:
In the second game of the Mets-Brewers doubleheader, the starting pitchers will be Dickey vs. Bush.
My money is on Dickey taking Bush.


WharfRat - 9/29/2010 at 10:57 PM

I just dont know wott to say anymore.. I effin give up.


WharfRat - 9/30/2010 at 12:11 AM

I have an announcement to make...













JAVY VAZQUEZ HAS JUST THROWN HIS LAST PITCH AS A NEW YORK YANKEE!!


Good riddance you effin POS!


fanfrom-71 - 9/30/2010 at 12:19 AM

quote:
I just dont know wott to say anymore.. I effin give up.
They're makin' a come back Wharfy! 7-3
Looks like the Rays had a little too much 'pagne last night.


WharfRat - 9/30/2010 at 12:50 AM

quote:
quote:
I have an announcement to make...













JAVY VAZQUEZ HAS JUST THROWN HIS LAST PITCH AS A NEW YORK YANKEE!!


Good riddance you effin POS!


Does Cashman know you have taken his job?


I dont see ANY chance they resign this idiot.
Cashman should be fired if he does


WharfRat - 9/30/2010 at 12:51 AM

quote:
quote:
I just dont know wott to say anymore.. I effin give up.
They're makin' a come back Wharfy! 7-3
Looks like the Rays had a little too much 'pagne last night.


Doesnt matter. AL East will belong to the Rays

Hello Minnesota!
This should be....interesting


BIGV - 9/30/2010 at 12:59 AM

















Go padres











Lee - 9/30/2010 at 09:27 AM

quote:
I just dont know wott to say anymore.. I effin give up.



Yeah it must be a bitch having your favorite team in the playoffs every year.


WharfRat - 9/30/2010 at 10:19 AM

quote:
quote:
I just dont know wott to say anymore.. I effin give up.



Yeah it must be a bitch having your favorite team in the playoffs every year.




To be honest, I would rather they not make it then get smoked in the first round.


Lee - 9/30/2010 at 10:33 AM

Uh huh. Til it happens annually.


WharfRat - 9/30/2010 at 10:34 AM

That is not acceptable


Stephen - 9/30/2010 at 02:01 PM

Congrats Johnny Damon -- 15 years of playing 140 or more games per season


Sandman - 10/2/2010 at 07:24 PM

quote:
Doesnt matter. AL East will belong to the Rays



Wharfy, Wharfy....look who's in first place now


Sandman - 10/2/2010 at 07:24 PM

Funny story about Miss Iowa and MLB....



It was one of those tales that gave a whole new meaning to the expression "the beauty of baseball."

It all started with Stephen Strasburg feeling "discomfort" while he was warming up for his July 27 start for the Nationals.

Whereupon ever-erudite reliever Miguel Batista was forced to head for the mound instead and found himself getting booed by 40,000 people who hadn't planned on turning their life savings over to StubHub to see Miguel Batista pitch.

Whereupon Batista, afterward, would utter the words that changed Katherine Connors' life: "Imagine," he said, "if you go to see Miss Universe, then you end up having Miss Iowa. You might get those kind of boos." Uh-ohhh.

So the next day, 1,000 miles from the scene of the quote, Miss Iowa USA, Katherine Connors, was hanging out in a salon, getting her hair done, when the texts started.

"They said, 'They're talking about you on ESPN,'" Connors told Year in Review. "And I was like, 'What?' And they said, 'There are pictures flashing up.' And I said, 'Oh my God. What pictures?'"

Little did Connors know her world had just done a big 180. One fateful quote led to a phone call of apology from Miguel Batista. And then an invitation from the Nationals to go to Washington and throw out the first pitch. And then an emergency pitching workout with a friend who used to pitch in high school, who quickly concluded: "It's a lost cause."

And then there she was, on a plane to D.C. And there she was, wearing a Nationals jersey with "MISS IOWA" on the back, actually warming up in the bullpen with Batista, Pudge Rodriguez and pitching coach Steve McCatty.

And minutes later, she was out there on the mound in Nationals Park, throwing what our Year in Review umpiring panel has decided was a clear-cut strike -- even though, technically, it didn't quite cross that object some umpiring panels know as home plate.

"I think I threw out my shoulder," Connors told Year in Review. "That's why my pitch went off to the right."

Shockingly, the Nationals didn't sign her immediately. But they might want to reconsider because, when Year in Review asked Connors which pitcher in baseball she'd compare herself to, that name, Strasburg, came to mind.

"Isn't Strasburg the big rookie pitcher of the year now?" she asked us.

Oh, we said, he was definitely the talk of the country before he got hurt.

"Well," she quipped right back, "I was the rookie pitcher of the year, and I was kind of the talk of the country for a little bit, too, right?"

OK, sold. Miss Iowa also told us she was thrilled by how fast all those Nationals fans who'd been booing Miguel Batista decided it wasn't so bad if Miss Iowa showed up.

"It's amazing, since all this, how many people in Washington are now Iowa fans," she said.

"How can you tell?" Year in Review asked.

"Well," she said, laughing, "there were signs that said, 'We want Miss Universe.' Then they crossed that out and put, 'Nevermind. We want Miss Iowa.'"

She hasn't been back to a ballpark since. But this is one beauty queen whose 15 minutes of fame has lasted for two entertaining months -- all thanks to Batista.

"People keep asking me, 'Aren't you that girl from ESPN?'" Connors said. "I say, 'Yeah, that's me.'"

For now, we should report, there are no indications she's about to replace Hannah Storm. But you never know -- because Miss Iowa USA sure aced this talent competition. She managed to turn an innocent little diss into one of the coolest times of her life, all because she has that invaluable gift for laughing at herself at exactly the right time.

"You know, I'm giving up my crown in a month," Connors told Year in Review. "And when people ask me, 'What was the highlight of your year as Miss Iowa?' I say, 'Miguel Batista making fun of me.' … I told him, 'I'm having so much fun, you can make fun of me anytime.'"



Really, this story was just an excuse to post this Miss Iowa picture:





WharfRat - 10/2/2010 at 11:08 PM

Ok.. Maybe there ARE some good things about Iowa


WharfRat - 10/2/2010 at 11:08 PM

Well besides some good friends living there


GO YANKS!


fanfrom-71 - 10/2/2010 at 11:35 PM

quote:
GO YANKS!
Of course I'm not surprised the Rays are winning since the Yanks one.
Ready for the next Bos/NYY game coming up Wharfy?


WharfRat - 10/3/2010 at 12:05 AM

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GO YANKS!
Of course I'm not surprised the Rays are winning since the Yanks one.
Ready for the next Bos/NYY game coming up Wharfy?




fanfrom-71 - 10/3/2010 at 11:15 PM

Alright. You KNEW it was coming........

HOW 'BOUT THOSE RAYS!!!


spacemonkey - 10/4/2010 at 12:52 AM

THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!
THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!
THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!


WharfRat - 10/4/2010 at 12:58 AM

quote:
Alright. You KNEW it was coming........

HOW 'BOUT THOSE RAYS!!!


Have fun with Josh Hamilton


fanfrom-71 - 10/4/2010 at 01:16 AM

quote:
quote:
Alright. You KNEW it was coming........

HOW 'BOUT THOSE RAYS!!!


Have fun with Josh Hamilton
Josh IS the Texas Rangers.
Luckily we have MORE than 1 player.


WharfRat - 10/4/2010 at 09:04 AM

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Alright. You KNEW it was coming........

HOW 'BOUT THOSE RAYS!!!


Have fun with Josh Hamilton
Josh IS the Texas Rangers.
Luckily we have MORE than 1 player.


How is Longoria holding up?


gondicar - 10/4/2010 at 10:59 AM

Congrats to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2010 AL East Champs.

And kudos to the yanks as well...despite stumbling down the stretch and losing 17 of their last 26 games, they manage to hang on for the wildcard. But unless they can find a way to turn it back on, I'm afraid it will be a short post season for the bombers.


fanfrom-71 - 10/4/2010 at 11:07 AM

quote:
Congrats to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2010 AL East Champs.

And kudos to the yanks as well...despite stumbling down the stretch and losing 17 of their last 26 games, they manage to hang on for the wildcard. But unless they can find a way to turn it back on, I'm afraid it will be a short post season for the bombers.
I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv.
Longoria will be just fine.


Stephen - 10/4/2010 at 01:29 PM

quote:
Congrats to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2010 AL East Champs.

And kudos to the yanks as well...despite stumbling down the stretch and losing 17 of their last 26 games, they manage to hang on for the wildcard. But unless they can find a way to turn it back on, I'm afraid it will be a short post season for the bombers.


Hopefully you're right, but the Twins haven't exactly torn it up down the stretch either -- Mauer I guess will be healthy but numerous of their pitchers & other players, like Nick Punto, Orlando Hudson, Casilla, several of the many middle relievers -- have been hurt.
NY has the experience -- if the Twins are healthy, it will be a Good series

Varitek says he wants to come back next year -- Bring Back Tek!!


Stephen - 10/4/2010 at 01:39 PM

Lights-out pitching will do it every time -- that's what September proved again -- according to the stats SF's pitching in Sept. held the opposition to a collective .181 BA, WOW -- also Philly's 4 starters, Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt & the 4th, went a collective 16-1 in Sept. -- damn

you know that will be the NL matchup -- personally I'd like to see Atl-Cincy & a potential pitching matchup of Bronson Arroyo & Derek Lowe, the heroes & backups to Schilling & Pedro on our 2004 team -- the AL, who knows -- but go Twins, they deserve it more than NY


Lee - 10/4/2010 at 05:07 PM

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Justin Morneau has been ruled out for the entire post season. The Twins chances have taken a big hit.


Yeah that's a big bummer for them. I think it will be the Yanks/Rays in the ALCS.


Brendan - 10/4/2010 at 06:44 PM

quote:
Pretty cool thing at Citi Field today. Nationals first baseman Adam Dunn was removed from the game for a pinch runner. After he was in the dugout, he took a bunch of his bats and passed them out to some kids in the stands.
Just goes to show, something good CAN happen at Citi Field.


WharfRat - 10/4/2010 at 11:46 PM

quote:
quote:
Pretty cool thing at Citi Field today. Nationals first baseman Adam Dunn was removed from the game for a pinch runner. After he was in the dugout, he took a bunch of his bats and passed them out to some kids in the stands.
Just goes to show, something good CAN happen at Citi Field.


Not sure if handing out baseball bats in NYC is a good idea though


WharfRat - 10/4/2010 at 11:48 PM

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quote:
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Congrats to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2010 AL East Champs.

And kudos to the yanks as well...despite stumbling down the stretch and losing 17 of their last 26 games, they manage to hang on for the wildcard. But unless they can find a way to turn it back on, I'm afraid it will be a short post season for the bombers.
I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv.
Longoria will be just fine.


The Yankees have a major starting pitching problem. After Sabathia and Hughes they are a disaster. C.C. is tough, but he can't pitch onn one days rest.


Andy pitched well his last start. Problem is, I dont think his stamina is all there.. he missed too much time.
I have a really bad feeling about this postseason. I sure hope I am wrong.


Stephen - 10/5/2010 at 12:04 AM

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quote:
Justin Morneau has been ruled out for the entire post season. The Twins chances have taken a big hit.


Yeah that's a big bummer for them. I think it will be the Yanks/Rays in the ALCS.


Justin hasn't been there most of the year -- hopefully they can get it done without him, as they did after he got hurt.
He missed all of last Sept. & the playoffs with the bad back, started out awesome this year, now this -- if he hasn't recovered in time to make the playoffs then his injury must be devastating -- no chances are being taken, obviously -- just as well, this great player would be too rusty to be of any good now -- hopefully he'll be able to continue his career next season


WharfRat - 10/5/2010 at 02:10 AM

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Pretty cool thing at Citi Field today. Nationals first baseman Adam Dunn was removed from the game for a pinch runner. After he was in the dugout, he took a bunch of his bats and passed them out to some kids in the stands.
Just goes to show, something good CAN happen at Citi Field.


Not sure if handing out baseball bats in NYC is a good idea though


No, it was OK. Mets fans got them, not Yankee fans.



Yea..pissed off disgruntled Met fans.
Wilpon is lucky they werent waiting for him outside


fanfrom-71 - 10/6/2010 at 02:10 PM

GO RAYS!!!


fanfrom-71 - 10/6/2010 at 05:36 PM

Um. Has anyone seen the Tampa Bay Rays?
They're SUPPOSED to be playing a playoff game in St Pete today!


lonomon - 10/6/2010 at 06:21 PM

no kidding



dougrhon - 10/6/2010 at 06:34 PM

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Congrats to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2010 AL East Champs.

And kudos to the yanks as well...despite stumbling down the stretch and losing 17 of their last 26 games, they manage to hang on for the wildcard. But unless they can find a way to turn it back on, I'm afraid it will be a short post season for the bombers.
I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv.
Longoria will be just fine.


The Yankees have a major starting pitching problem. After Sabathia and Hughes they are a disaster. C.C. is tough, but he can't pitch onn one days rest.


I would not call Andy Pettitte a disaster. In fact in a hairy situation there is no one else I would rather hand the ball to.


fanfrom-71 - 10/6/2010 at 07:31 PM

Excellent game by Cliff Lee today. Now we'll see what Shields will do...if anything.
Unless of course Joe changes his mind!


fanfrom-71 - 10/6/2010 at 07:35 PM

Oh. And I hope Lee sent the home plate ump a case of whiskey for the gimme on Pena.


Lee - 10/6/2010 at 07:58 PM

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Oh. And I hope Lee sent the home plate ump a case of whiskey for the gimme on Pena.



Hey now! Pena batted .196 and struck out almost half of the times he batted this year. What more do you expect from a former Detroit Tigggger?


fanfrom-71 - 10/6/2010 at 08:21 PM

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Oh. And I hope Lee sent the home plate ump a case of whiskey for the gimme on Pena.



Hey now! Pena batted .196 and struck out almost half of the times he batted this year. What more do you expect from a former Detroit Tigggger?
If Pena would have been smart he coulda' pulled a Jeter on that play.


fanfrom-71 - 10/6/2010 at 08:37 PM

The hankies are spinnin' in Philly
Volquez didn't make 2!


DougMacKenzie - 10/6/2010 at 08:47 PM

I can't believe the Rangers won a playoff game. End Times!


dougrhon - 10/6/2010 at 10:46 PM

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Congrats to the Tampa Bay Rays, 2010 AL East Champs.

And kudos to the yanks as well...despite stumbling down the stretch and losing 17 of their last 26 games, they manage to hang on for the wildcard. But unless they can find a way to turn it back on, I'm afraid it will be a short post season for the bombers.
I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv.
Longoria will be just fine.


The Yankees have a major starting pitching problem. After Sabathia and Hughes they are a disaster. C.C. is tough, but he can't pitch onn one days rest.


I would not call Andy Pettitte a disaster. In fact in a hairy situation there is no one else I would rather hand the ball to.


Yeah, as long as that hairy situation occurs between innings 1 and 5.


He's good for six and that ought to be more than good enough. What I like about Andy is even when his stuff isn't great he finds a way to get what he needs. That's why his winning percentage is so high.


DanB - 10/6/2010 at 11:27 PM

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I can't believe the Rangers won a playoff game. End Times!


They are now equal with the Cowboys for the past 10 years.


lmao


jehmutt - 10/6/2010 at 11:38 PM

What an awesome game by Halladay. Just about every hitter took strike one. Phils iun 3 straight.


alloak41 - 10/7/2010 at 12:23 AM

Welcome back to the post season, Cincinnati.

STOOF!


alloak41 - 10/7/2010 at 12:31 AM

Gosh, that feat by Halliday makes the UAB/Central Florida game seem almost insignifigant.


dougrhon - 10/7/2010 at 12:03 PM

Another great comeback by the Yanks. The umps even gave the Twins an extra out. If our bullpen pitches like this I like our chances. And I like Andy on the mound tonight.


Brendan - 10/7/2010 at 12:10 PM

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What an awesome game by Halladay. Just about every hitter took strike one. Phils iun 3 straight.


It seemed to me that he was outsmarting the Reds. They were taking his fastballs and taking fastball swings at his curves. He had the Reds hitters off balance.
I couldn't believe how good his stuff was so late in the game. He was freezing batters for called strike 3's in the 8th inning. Scary.


fanfrom-71 - 10/7/2010 at 06:23 PM

Well I see James Shields is doing what he seems to do best lately.
Folding like a house of cards.


fanfrom-71 - 10/7/2010 at 06:56 PM


fanfrom-71 - 10/7/2010 at 08:36 PM

Well THAT certainly sucked the BIG ONE!!!
Zobrist was lucky to get the long ball yesterday,otherwise it would have been TWO shutouts in a row. Hope the road is good for the Rays as it has been all year.
O K Where the heck is the Wharf?! I've been awaiting a well deserved razzing concerning the GREAT Tampa Bay Rays.


Lee - 10/7/2010 at 08:42 PM

Don't egg him on!


fanfrom-71 - 10/7/2010 at 11:52 PM

And I quote...

"I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv."

Pettitte looked great tonight fo sho.


Stephen - 10/8/2010 at 12:10 AM

Eleven straight postseason losses for the Twins

Of those 11 games, eight have come against NY -- and the Twins have led in each of those eight games

Un-effin-believable


WharfRat - 10/8/2010 at 12:20 AM

Eh hem

ME->

Not over yet though.. Twins are a great time capable of a comeback.

Yes folks, I have learned my 2004 lessons well


fanfrom-71 - 10/8/2010 at 12:34 AM

quote:
quote:
Eh hem

ME->

Not over yet though.. Twins are a great time capable of a comeback.

Yes folks, I have learned my 2004 lessons well


It took you long enough.
REALLY!
He probably has other sites he has to gloat on first.

[Edited on 10/8/2010 by fanfrom-71]


fanfrom-71 - 10/8/2010 at 01:16 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Eh hem

ME->

Not over yet though.. Twins are a great time capable of a comeback.

Yes folks, I have learned my 2004 lessons well


It took you long enough.
REALLY!
He probably has other sites he has to gloat on first.

[Edited on 10/8/2010 by fanfrom-71]



I was referring to him just learning the lesson of the 2004 ALCS.
You mean this one?


Impossible mission completed
Red Sox rout Yankees in Game 7 to finish greatest comeback ever.

I was thinking of '04 today as the Rays sank deeper and deeper.
See. It CAN happen!


dougrhon - 10/8/2010 at 01:35 AM

quote:
And I quote...

"I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv."

Pettitte looked great tonight fo sho.


If you read my earlier posts you will see that was no surprise to me. Andy is a true gamer and a true warrior. The rest of the country doesn't quite realize it because his stats don't jump out of you but he is quite a pitcher and there is nobody I would rather have up there in a key situation. And not for five innings but for as much as 7.


dougrhon - 10/8/2010 at 01:36 AM

quote:
Eh hem

ME->

Not over yet though.. Twins are a great time capable of a comeback.

Yes folks, I have learned my 2004 lessons well


As a pessimistic sports fan I have pledged to stay optimistic at all times good and bad. My natural pessimism prevents me from becoming arrogant when it comes to the Yankees.


mbtogo4 - 10/8/2010 at 02:02 AM

What an awesome game by Halladay. Just about every hitter took strike one. Phils iun 3 straight.


Phillies all the way ......Halladay is a MACHINE.


spacemonkey - 10/8/2010 at 04:25 AM

Lincecum set a San Francisco-era postseason record by striking out 14 batters and allowed only three baserunners


He had great command tonight. Go Giants!


spacemonkey - 10/8/2010 at 04:38 AM


gondicar - 10/8/2010 at 08:24 AM

The Freak Show was on fiyah!


WharfRat - 10/8/2010 at 09:30 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Eh hem

ME->

Not over yet though.. Twins are a great time capable of a comeback.

Yes folks, I have learned my 2004 lessons well


It took you long enough.
REALLY!
He probably has other sites he has to gloat on first.

[Edited on 10/8/2010 by fanfrom-71]



I was referring to him just learning the lesson of the 2004 ALCS.
You mean this one?


Impossible mission completed
Red Sox rout Yankees in Game 7 to finish greatest comeback ever.

I was thinking of '04 today as the Rays sank deeper and deeper.
See. It CAN happen!



To do this, they might want to score a run.

Or 2.



Hope this helps


fanfrom-71 - 10/8/2010 at 10:48 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Eh hem

ME->

Not over yet though.. Twins are a great time capable of a comeback.

Yes folks, I have learned my 2004 lessons well


It took you long enough.
REALLY!
He probably has other sites he has to gloat on first.

[Edited on 10/8/2010 by fanfrom-71]



I was referring to him just learning the lesson of the 2004 ALCS.
You mean this one?


Impossible mission completed
Red Sox rout Yankees in Game 7 to finish greatest comeback ever.

I was thinking of '04 today as the Rays sank deeper and deeper.
See. It CAN happen!



To do this, they might want to score a run.

Or 2.



Hope this helps
LMAO!
Yeah. Since there is no such as negative scoring that would help wouldn't it?
I mean sure, the Rays beat the Phillies in the World Series triple aught to double aught sounds great,but .......


DougMacKenzie - 10/8/2010 at 12:23 PM

Rangers coming home leading the series 2-0. Will they finally win a post season series? I'll believe it when I see it.


fanfrom-71 - 10/8/2010 at 12:25 PM

quote:
Rangers coming home leading the series 2-0. Will they finally win a post season series? I'll believe it when I see it.
I hope not!
But the Rays are 8-15 in Texas.


Lee - 10/8/2010 at 12:37 PM

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Rangers coming home leading the series 2-0. Will they finally win a post season series? I'll believe it when I see it.



Sheesh, you are the most doom and gloom fan ever ('cept for Wharfie ).


Give them their due!


DougMacKenzie - 10/8/2010 at 12:42 PM

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quote:
Rangers coming home leading the series 2-0. Will they finally win a post season series? I'll believe it when I see it.



Sheesh, you are the most doom and gloom fan ever ('cept for Wharfie ).


Give them their due!

What do you expect after 30 years of futility? Things do look better now than they ever have, and it has cooled off from the 100's into the 80's around here. There is hope!


gondicar - 10/8/2010 at 02:13 PM

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quote:
Rangers coming home leading the series 2-0. Will they finally win a post season series? I'll believe it when I see it.


They have now won twice as many playoff games as the Cowboys over the last 10 years.


LMAO!


WharfRat - 10/9/2010 at 01:21 AM

Going to miss Game 3 due to me being in NYC celebrating John Lennon's B-day with some good friends.

Rest assured I will be checking my phone quite frequently


spacemonkey - 10/9/2010 at 05:56 AM

STupid Giants give up 2 unearned runs.

THey ain't got enough offense to be giving away runs.

STOOPID


WharfRat - 10/9/2010 at 09:18 AM

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Going to miss Game 3 due to me being in NYC celebrating John Lennon's B-day with some good friends.

Rest assured I will be checking my phone quite frequently


Rest assured said phone will be smashed on the pavement before the night is over.


Thank God for insurance


dougrhon - 10/10/2010 at 02:31 AM

A Yankee sweep and the team appears totally back on track. Excellent starting pitching. Solid contributions up and down the lineup. They made this series look easy. If I were a team potentially facing them I would not feel terrific.


IPowrie - 10/10/2010 at 02:42 AM

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A Yankee sweep and the team appears totally back on track. Excellent starting pitching. Solid contributions up and down the lineup. They made this series look easy. If I were a team potentially facing them I would not feel terrific.


Helps when u dont have to use AJ Burnett. Hoping Texas can knock off Tampa Bay in the next game as a Texas-New York series could be a good one.


fanfrom-71 - 10/10/2010 at 02:51 AM

Nice to see the Rays play Ray ball again!
Hats off to New York. They're on fire. Now it's time for a slump again when they meet the Rays.
GO RAYS!!!


WharfRat - 10/10/2010 at 01:33 PM

I dont care who the Yanks face..

I just hope for a Game 5.

In extra innings.

Lots of em


dougrhon - 10/10/2010 at 02:39 PM

quote:
Nice to see the Rays play Ray ball again!
Hats off to New York. They're on fire. Now it's time for a slump again when they meet the Rays.
GO RAYS!!!


A little optimistic. The Rays still have to win two games including one against Cliff Lee. The thing I like about this Yankees team is that they have lots of little ways to beat you. It reminds me of the earlier dynasty teams with Williams Martinez and O'Neill. The thing I don't like is the bullpen which still seems suspect before Rivera.


WharfRat - 10/10/2010 at 04:42 PM

Last night was one of Wood's few "rough" outings. Luckily it didnt amount to many runs.
And very little Joba action this series..
Boone Logan is death to lefties though. That could neutralize Josh Hamilton late in the game


fanfrom-71 - 10/10/2010 at 07:16 PM

HOW 'BOUT THOSE TAMPA BAY......




?!




GO RAYS!!!


dougrhon - 10/10/2010 at 07:48 PM

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Nice to see the Rays play Ray ball again!
Hats off to New York. They're on fire. Now it's time for a slump again when they meet the Rays.
GO RAYS!!!


A little optimistic. The Rays still have to win two games including one against Cliff Lee. The thing I like about this Yankees team is that they have lots of little ways to beat you. It reminds me of the earlier dynasty teams with Williams Martinez and O'Neill. The thing I don't like is the bullpen which still seems suspect before Rivera.


Actually, they have one way to win. They bludgeon the opponents. They remind me of the Red Sox teams of the 70's and 80's. Lots of hitting, one or two good starters and prayers that they wouldn't have to go to the bullpen much.


That's not true. They don't win 8-7. They find a way to win even when handcuffed by the opposing pitcher they find a way to get on base and make something happen.


dougrhon - 10/10/2010 at 07:49 PM

quote:
Last night was one of Wood's few "rough" outings. Luckily it didnt amount to many runs.
And very little Joba action this series..
Boone Logan is death to lefties though. That could neutralize Josh Hamilton late in the game


How do you figure very little? I would describe it as "none." Girardi doesn't trust Joba and at this point neither do I.


dougrhon - 10/10/2010 at 09:39 PM

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HOW 'BOUT THOSE TAMPA BAY......




?!




GO RAYS!!!


I think the Rangers made a stupid mistake not starting Lee in game 4.


dougrhon - 10/10/2010 at 09:40 PM

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Nice to see the Rays play Ray ball again!
Hats off to New York. They're on fire. Now it's time for a slump again when they meet the Rays.
GO RAYS!!!


A little optimistic. The Rays still have to win two games including one against Cliff Lee. The thing I like about this Yankees team is that they have lots of little ways to beat you. It reminds me of the earlier dynasty teams with Williams Martinez and O'Neill. The thing I don't like is the bullpen which still seems suspect before Rivera.


Actually, they have one way to win. They bludgeon the opponents. They remind me of the Red Sox teams of the 70's and 80's. Lots of hitting, one or two good starters and prayers that they wouldn't have to go to the bullpen much.


That's not true. They don't win 8-7. They find a way to win even when handcuffed by the opposing pitcher they find a way to get on base and make something happen.


They scored 859 runs. 41 more than Boston who were second in runs scored. That's 1/4 run per game which is actually a lot.


I was talking about post-season when the runs tend to drop as there are no patsies who can be lit up for 8 or 9 routinely. During the regular season the Yankees did, indeed, score a lot of runs.


dougrhon - 10/10/2010 at 09:41 PM

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Nice to see the Rays play Ray ball again!
Hats off to New York. They're on fire. Now it's time for a slump again when they meet the Rays.
GO RAYS!!!


A little optimistic. The Rays still have to win two games including one against Cliff Lee. The thing I like about this Yankees team is that they have lots of little ways to beat you. It reminds me of the earlier dynasty teams with Williams Martinez and O'Neill. The thing I don't like is the bullpen which still seems suspect before Rivera.


Actually, they have one way to win. They bludgeon the opponents. They remind me of the Red Sox teams of the 70's and 80's. Lots of hitting, one or two good starters and prayers that they wouldn't have to go to the bullpen much.


That's not true. They don't win 8-7. They find a way to win even when handcuffed by the opposing pitcher they find a way to get on base and make something happen.


They scored 859 runs. 41 more than Boston who were second in runs scored. That's 1/4 run per game which is actually a lot.


Additionally, they don't have one or two good starters. They have one genuine ace and another who is one of the biggest big game pitchers of all time plus Phil Hughes who had a great season even if he struggled for a while. Finally, nobody has ever had a closer like Mariano Rivera.


WharfRat - 10/10/2010 at 10:05 PM

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Last night was one of Wood's few "rough" outings. Luckily it didnt amount to many runs.
And very little Joba action this series..
Boone Logan is death to lefties though. That could neutralize Josh Hamilton late in the game


How do you figure very little? I would describe it as "none." Girardi doesn't trust Joba and at this point neither do I.


Nor do I.


dougrhon - 10/12/2010 at 01:53 AM

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Nice to see the Rays play Ray ball again!
Hats off to New York. They're on fire. Now it's time for a slump again when they meet the Rays.
GO RAYS!!!


A little optimistic. The Rays still have to win two games including one against Cliff Lee. The thing I like about this Yankees team is that they have lots of little ways to beat you. It reminds me of the earlier dynasty teams with Williams Martinez and O'Neill. The thing I don't like is the bullpen which still seems suspect before Rivera.


Actually, they have one way to win. They bludgeon the opponents. They remind me of the Red Sox teams of the 70's and 80's. Lots of hitting, one or two good starters and prayers that they wouldn't have to go to the bullpen much.


That's not true. They don't win 8-7. They find a way to win even when handcuffed by the opposing pitcher they find a way to get on base and make something happen.


They scored 859 runs. 41 more than Boston who were second in runs scored. That's 1/4 run per game which is actually a lot.


Additionally, they don't have one or two good starters. They have one genuine ace and another who is one of the biggest big game pitchers of all time plus Phil Hughes who had a great season even if he struggled for a while. Finally, nobody has ever had a closer like Mariano Rivera.


Before we apply for sainthood for Pettite, remember that the 2010 Pettite is a 5 or 6 inning pitcher without a good bullpen to back him up. The fact that Hughes went 18-8 with a 4.19 ERA proves my point. That is almost 2 full runs more than Felix Hernandez who led the league at 2.27. Hughes finished 29th.

[Edited on 10/10/2010 by Otie]


You folks need to learn what we Yankee fans already know. The regular season is not the post-season. For example, Derek Jeter has never been the best player in baseball statistically. But I daresay anyone who has followed post-season baseball over the last 14 years understands what he brings to the table when the chips are down. The same is true in spades of Andy. He is a serious serious big game pitcher. He has had bad starts and of course he is not unhittable. But there are few pitchers in baseball I would rather have on the mound with first and third one out. The Yankee bullpen may or may not be reliable. Though it is nothing compared to the bullpen of 1996-2000, it is probably as good as any other in baseball with the incomparable Rivera being there for the 9th and sometimes the 8th inning. Obviously we all had questions about Hughes going into the playoffs. One of the reasons his era is so high is because of his tendency to give up home runs when he makes a simple mistake. But the reality is that he pitched seven brilliant shutout innings and really could have pitched the 8th as well. He was cruising. Of course Burnett is a wild card. But I am happy with Sabbathia and Pettitte as the one and two. Anything can happen but I would favor the Yankees over either Texas or Tampa. The World Series might be another story but it is a long way off.


gondicar - 10/12/2010 at 02:19 AM

eff the yankees.

Go Giants! Gotta root for the Freak from here on out...


WharfRat - 10/12/2010 at 11:19 AM

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dougrhon - 10/12/2010 at 11:47 AM

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Nice to see the Rays play Ray ball again!
Hats off to New York. They're on fire. Now it's time for a slump again when they meet the Rays.
GO RAYS!!!


A little optimistic. The Rays still have to win two games including one against Cliff Lee. The thing I like about this Yankees team is that they have lots of little ways to beat you. It reminds me of the earlier dynasty teams with Williams Martinez and O'Neill. The thing I don't like is the bullpen which still seems suspect before Rivera.


Actually, they have one way to win. They bludgeon the opponents. They remind me of the Red Sox teams of the 70's and 80's. Lots of hitting, one or two good starters and prayers that they wouldn't have to go to the bullpen much.


That's not true. They don't win 8-7. They find a way to win even when handcuffed by the opposing pitcher they find a way to get on base and make something happen.


They scored 859 runs. 41 more than Boston who were second in runs scored. That's 1/4 run per game which is actually a lot.


Additionally, they don't have one or two good starters. They have one genuine ace and another who is one of the biggest big game pitchers of all time plus Phil Hughes who had a great season even if he struggled for a while. Finally, nobody has ever had a closer like Mariano Rivera.


Before we apply for sainthood for Pettite, remember that the 2010 Pettite is a 5 or 6 inning pitcher without a good bullpen to back him up. The fact that Hughes went 18-8 with a 4.19 ERA proves my point. That is almost 2 full runs more than Felix Hernandez who led the league at 2.27. Hughes finished 29th.

[Edited on 10/10/2010 by Otie]


You folks need to learn what we Yankee fans already know. The regular season is not the post-season. For example, Derek Jeter has never been the best player in baseball statistically. But I daresay anyone who has followed post-season baseball over the last 14 years understands what he brings to the table when the chips are down. The same is true in spades of Andy. He is a serious serious big game pitcher. He has had bad starts and of course he is not unhittable. But there are few pitchers in baseball I would rather have on the mound with first and third one out. The Yankee bullpen may or may not be reliable. Though it is nothing compared to the bullpen of 1996-2000, it is probably as good as any other in baseball with the incomparable Rivera being there for the 9th and sometimes the 8th inning. Obviously we all had questions about Hughes going into the playoffs. One of the reasons his era is so high is because of his tendency to give up home runs when he makes a simple mistake. But the reality is that he pitched seven brilliant shutout innings and really could have pitched the 8th as well. He was cruising. Of course Burnett is a wild card. But I am happy with Sabbathia and Pettitte as the one and two. Anything can happen but I would favor the Yankees over either Texas or Tampa. The World Series might be another story but it is a long way off.


OK, you are looking through pinstripe glasses. No further conversation is necessary.


That may be. But five world series in the past 14 years ain't beanbag. I think I've become accustomed to what a winner looks like.


fanfrom-71 - 10/12/2010 at 11:01 PM

Um. By the way..........

















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DougMacKenzie - 10/13/2010 at 01:04 AM

Rangers leading 3-1 in the bottom of the 7th.


fanfrom-71 - 10/13/2010 at 01:16 AM

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Rangers leading 3-1 in the bottom of the 7th.
Cliff Lee is a machine!

GO RAYS!!!


DougMacKenzie - 10/13/2010 at 01:27 AM

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Rangers leading 3-1 in the bottom of the 7th.
Cliff Lee is a machine!

GO RAYS!!!

Bottom of the 8th, Rangers still leading 3-1. Now I'm nervous!


alloak41 - 10/13/2010 at 01:37 AM

I think Kinsler just calmed Dug's nerves a bit.


fanfrom-71 - 10/13/2010 at 01:42 AM

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I think Kinsler just calmed Dug's nerves a bit.
Ya' reckon?!
OK I'm going back to the early '90's and the Braves. Got my rally cap on!


fanfrom-71 - 10/13/2010 at 01:49 AM

Hat's off to the Rangers. They clearly were the superior team. All sorts of records broke tonight.
Go Texas when they play the Yanks!


WharfRat - 10/13/2010 at 08:57 AM

We aint askerred of my Rangers








Ok maybe just a litttle


DougMacKenzie - 10/13/2010 at 09:38 AM

The Rangers have only been in the post season three previous times, and were crushed by the Yankees every time. They still have never won a post season game at home. Beat the Yankees and maybe I can quit thinking of these guys as the minor league team I grew up with playing in that funky park in Arlington all those years. If their bats wake up they could actually be dangerous.


Lee - 10/13/2010 at 10:04 AM

Oh Dug, the sky is NOT falling.





Well, mebbe for the Cowpokes.


Stephen - 10/13/2010 at 02:16 PM

It was good to see all those TB fans get it shoved in their face -- they ignore them all year long & only pack it to capacity for the deciding game (or when tickets are free) -- like it's some sort of social occasion too or something -- a team can't be sharp knowing it plays to a blank audience, for the most part -- TB played awesome this year though

Halladay-Lincecum, Game 1 -- best matchup since Pedro-Clemens in ... '99? Old fogies easier recall Gibson-McLain, '68 WS

[Edited on 10/14/2010 by Stephen]


WharfRat - 10/14/2010 at 01:58 AM

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Halladay-Lincecum


One for the ages here... This game is going to be un freaking real.


WharfRat - 10/14/2010 at 01:59 AM

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The Rangers have only been in the post season three previous times, and were crushed by the Yankees every time. They still have never won a post season game at home. Beat the Yankees and maybe I can quit thinking of these guys as the minor league team I grew up with playing in that funky park in Arlington all those years. If their bats wake up they could actually be dangerous.


Or not.


Hope this helps


DougMacKenzie - 10/14/2010 at 12:27 PM

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The Rangers have only been in the post season three previous times, and were crushed by the Yankees every time. They still have never won a post season game at home. Beat the Yankees and maybe I can quit thinking of these guys as the minor league team I grew up with playing in that funky park in Arlington all those years. If their bats wake up they could actually be dangerous.


Or not.


Hope this helps


Clliff Lee in NY for game 3?


gondicar - 10/14/2010 at 02:25 PM

So, what's the over/under on how many outs are recorded before the first run is scored in game 1 of NLCS?


WharfRat - 10/14/2010 at 04:27 PM

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The Rangers have only been in the post season three previous times, and were crushed by the Yankees every time. They still have never won a post season game at home. Beat the Yankees and maybe I can quit thinking of these guys as the minor league team I grew up with playing in that funky park in Arlington all those years. If their bats wake up they could actually be dangerous.


Or not.


Hope this helps


Clliff Lee in NY for game 3?



Your point?


DougMacKenzie - 10/15/2010 at 09:51 AM

I have to have a pont? When did that start? Damn these mods!


gondicar - 10/15/2010 at 03:37 PM

When the Rangers filed for bankruptcy in May, the team still owed Arod $25 million. Not sure where it stands now after the bankruptcy, but even if they owe him money it is not technically considered payroll. Still, the financial differences between the two teams are staggering...

- The difference between Alex Rodriguez (Yankees’ highest-paid player) and Michael Young (Rangers’ highest-paid) is Mark Teixeira.

- For the price of Alex Rodriguez, you could sign every Texas Ranger except the six highest paid.

- The difference between the Yankees payroll and the Rangers payroll is the Cubs payroll. The Cubs have the third-highest payroll in baseball.

- Cliff Lee, C.J. Wilson, Colby Lewis and Tommy Hunter (all of Texas’ playoff starting rotation) combined make less than Mariano Rivera – the Yankees’ closer.

- The Yankees won 95 games at $207 million. The Rangers won 90 at $55 mil. The Yankees paid $30.4 million per extra win.

- The Rangers could triple every current player’s salary, sign Mark Teixeira away from the Yankees, and still have a lower payroll.



http://gossipsports.com/?p=684


alloak41 - 10/15/2010 at 04:45 PM

Vladamir Guererro at $5,550,000 and Jeff Francoeuer at $5,000,000? Something a little out of whack there?


gondicar - 10/15/2010 at 05:14 PM

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At first glance, it would appear that way. But look at it this way, Vladi is basically a DH now, he started only 16 games in the field. He was a free agent and there were not many other than the Rangers interested. Francoeur signed a one year deal which was based on the fact that he hit .311 for the Mets and is a very good right fielder with a great arm.


Speaking of Francoeur and the Mets...I read a quote from him where he said that's he excited to finally be able to play a meaningful game in New York.


Stephen - 10/15/2010 at 11:31 PM

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"This day in baseball"
In one of the greatest pitching duels in baseball history, Warren Spahn, 42, and Juan Marichal pitched 16 scoreless innings July 2, 1963 at Candlestick Park, with the Giants beating the Braves 1-0 on Willie Mays' HR.
In an era of closely monitored pitch counts, relievers being paraded in and out of games regardless of the score or situation -- the Twins used no less than eight pitchers in their 5-4 loss last night to Tampa, who used six pitchers of their own -- and injury-prone pitchers suceptible to any and all maladies, this was the real thing -- pitching at its peak, when baseball was a game. Indeed, Spahnie himself said it years later, in this 1999 interview:
"Baseball has (since) made non-athletes out of pitchers, unfortunately,” Spahn said in July of 1999. “Why would I want my son to be a pitcher … when you pitch once a week, they count the pitches and you don’t get to hit and you don’t get to run the bases.”

That must've been outrageous to have witnessed the later innings of this pitching duel!!



fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 12:18 AM

Rangers 5-0 in the 4th!


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 12:22 AM

For Chuck.





[Edited on 10/16/2010 by fanfrom-71]

[Edited on 10/16/2010 by fanfrom-71]


WharfRat - 10/16/2010 at 12:50 AM

UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 01:01 AM

Remember Wharf man It's the Yankees.

"I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv."


dougrhon - 10/16/2010 at 01:17 AM

Not looking too good for tonight but remember. You only need to win by one and tomorrow the score is 0-0.


WharfRat - 10/16/2010 at 01:27 AM

I wonder if Girardi is regretting putting Hughes in as the #2. ALOT of pressure on him tommorow.

I am convinced that if the Yanks are down 1-2 or (shudder) 0-3..we will see CC, and not AJ.


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 01:37 AM

Gotta' be lovin' that Wharfy. Bases loaded,no outs!


dougrhon - 10/16/2010 at 01:44 AM

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Remember Wharf man It's the Yankees.

"I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv."


Smart man. 5-5 in the 8th third base nobody out.


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 01:45 AM

Um. 5-5!
I won't bother quoting some of my previous post.


dougrhon - 10/16/2010 at 02:00 AM

6-5 Yanks. Incredible inning. And yet we've seen it so many times. Now let's see if the Yankee bullpen can prove to be the difference and the Yankees survive an abysmal outing by their ace.


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 02:00 AM

I uh...edited that previous pic for ya' Wharf.


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 02:40 AM

Gosh. It doesn't seem that long ago I was saying 5-0 Rangers.
Yankees doing what they do!


alloak41 - 10/16/2010 at 02:50 AM

Open the door like the Rangers pen did, like walking a few hitters or maybe a defensive mistake, and you're dead. The Yankees don't mess around with dudes on base. They always get the big hits.


dougrhon - 10/16/2010 at 03:04 AM

Boy the Yankees are a fun team to root for.


WharfRat - 10/16/2010 at 08:44 AM

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Rangers 5-0 in the 4th!



Eh hem!

Me->


I think Dug used that bridge instead


DougMacKenzie - 10/16/2010 at 10:06 AM

My daughter and I went to a lopcal HS footbal game last night, pulled in to park just as Hamilton hit his homer in the first to go up 3-0. Sweet. Left the game as they were flashing a 5-0 score up after seven on the scorebaord. Sweet. Didn't even bother to listen ot the game on the radio. Got home and turned on the TV just in time to see the last out and the Yanks win 6-5. Huh? Must've been some top of the 8th. If you have someone like the Yankees by the throat you'd better finish them. I got the feeling the Rangers thought the game was in the bag. Somebody forgot to tell the Yankees.


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 01:23 PM


I got the feeling the Rangers thought the game was in the bag.
There they go thinkin' again.
Maybe the next game,a little less thinking,and more playing ball until the game is over.
You know. Like the Yankees!


dougrhon - 10/16/2010 at 07:29 PM

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I got the feeling the Rangers thought the game was in the bag.
There they go thinkin' again.
Maybe the next game,a little less thinking,and more playing ball until the game is over.
You know. Like the Yankees!



I don't think the Rangers thought that. The fans may have. The problem is the Yankees didn't think it either and the Ranger relief couldn't get anyone out.


fanfrom-71 - 10/16/2010 at 10:28 PM

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Eh hem!

Me->


I think Dug used that bridge instead


I think you should wait until this is over.
I think it's safe now Dug!


WharfRat - 10/16/2010 at 10:34 PM

Joe Girardi needs to be bitch slapped. Why the hell did he leave Hughes in there when he obviously didnt have it today. He got freaking POUNDED

[Edited on 10/16/2010 by WharfRat]


spacemonkey - 10/16/2010 at 10:44 PM

THe Yankee Starters have a double digit ERA in this series so far.


WharfRat - 10/16/2010 at 11:09 PM

They are all dead to me.


DougMacKenzie - 10/17/2010 at 12:03 AM

This series starts Monday. A best of 5 with Cliff Lee pitching twice. We'll see how all the young Rangers do on the big stage in New York under all that pressure.


WharfRat - 10/17/2010 at 01:21 AM

Now where did I put that AJ Burnett voodoo doll?


dougrhon - 10/17/2010 at 04:05 AM

I wouldn't put game 3 in the Rangers win column yet. Andy is not Hughes and he can pitch in big spots.


WharfRat - 10/17/2010 at 11:10 AM

I just dont have a good feeling about this.

Lee has been unhittable in the postseason.

Yanks throw out AJ for game 4.

The bats better be on thier game, because this could get ugly FAST.


dougrhon - 10/17/2010 at 02:22 PM

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Yeah, maybe, but he is 87 years old and has had a lot of injuries.


Yeah you said that last round too.


alloak41 - 10/17/2010 at 10:53 PM

After almost 50 years of National League baseball, there are some rumors down in Houston that the Astros may be headed for the AL West. Bud Selig has hinted that there is a change in store with regard to alignment and this change would put five teams in all six divisions and even out the number of teams in each league at 15.

The team is on the block right now, and this could possibly be a conditon of sale for the new owner. I hope it doesn't come to pass for a variety of reasons, namely the travel difference and the fact that all inter-division road games would be two time zones away. A game on the West Coast wouldn't start until 9:30 Houston time. I'm generally against further expansion, but I'd rather see them add a new team to that division than jerk the Astros around.

If Hurricane Ike taught us anything, it's that Bud isn't afraid to stick the Astros with the short end...

Eff Selig.


DougMacKenzie - 10/17/2010 at 11:04 PM

The Rangers are in the AL west. Could create a nice rivalry.

Go Rangers!


WharfRat - 10/17/2010 at 11:30 PM

Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes


WharfRat - 10/17/2010 at 11:59 PM

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Or the Jets generating more excitement than the Yankees.


A Joe Girardi firing would change that.


WharfRat - 10/18/2010 at 12:05 AM

How ( and why) would a SS's age matter?

Just a odd statistical thing to me, nothing more.

Pitching will do the Yanks in, and nothing more.


WharfRat - 10/18/2010 at 12:13 AM

Ok.. average SS numbers.

Plenty of teams have won with average shortstops.

Its all about pitching, and I dont like what I see from the Yanks right now.
I hope I am wrong.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 12:59 AM

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Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes




Or the Jets generating more excitement than the Yankees.


Except Chuck's comment is actually true.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 12:59 AM

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Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes




Or the Jets generating more excitement than the Yankees.


A Joe Girardi firing would change that.


DUDE!


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 01:03 AM

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Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes




Or the Jets generating more excitement than the Yankees.


A Joe Girardi firing would change that.


Doesn't matter. The Yankees are a flawed team. It wouldn't matter who the manager is.

This is what happens when you don't realize that players get old. No team has won a World Series with a shortstop as old as Jeter. Only one team has made it to the WS with a SS that old, 1956 Dodgers (Pee Wee Reese).




Of course the Yankees are flawed. As is every other team still playing. Couldn't we wait until the Yanks actually you know lose before you dissect why they lost? As for an old shortstop, what a ridiculous stat. When Jeter's age starts costing them runs then you might have a point. At this point the Yankees have one significant flaw, they do not have a trustworthy number four starter and Hughes is unproven. Sabbathia is not going to pitch like that again. Pettitte has been and I expect will be dynamite. Rivera who actually is 40 continues to be lights out. Posada can't catch but then he never could. Much of the rest of the team is not especially old at all. For example, Texiera, Cano, A-Rod, Swisher, Granderson and Gardner. Where you get the idea that this team is old I have no idea.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 01:04 AM

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How ( and why) would a SS's age matter?

Just a odd statistical thing to me, nothing more.

Pitching will do the Yanks in, and nothing more.


Because few shortstops are good at age 36. What did Jeter hit, .270? 10 Home runs? .710 OPS? All the lowest of his career. He never had great range and he has lost a lot. Anyone who thinks Jeter is still a good player is looking through pinstripe glasses.




Let me get this straight. You are not arguing that he is no longer a "great" player which is definitely arguable. You are arguing he is no longer even a "good" player? That's absurd.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 01:08 AM

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Ok.. average SS numbers.

Plenty of teams have won with average shortstops.

Its all about pitching, and I dont like what I see from the Yanks right now.
I hope I am wrong.


Chuck it is going to come down to whether Sabbathia can turn back to his real self and whether Hughes can pitch more like he did in the first series. I expect Sabbathia will. I think it is rust and there is just nothing we can do about that. Hughes I hope will. To me the lineup needs to start hitting more. As Lupica pointed out today, they had 5 runs in one inning and 3 runs in the remaining 17. But they did hit the ball hard the other day and that's why they give you three losses. Cause sometimes you don't get the breaks. Of course the Hughes pitched them out of the game yesterday as Sabbathia did on Friday but the Rangers pitched themselves out of a 2-0 lead and they may come to regret that. Yankee bashers ALWAYS find a reason the Yankees will lose. And sometimes they do but way more often than any other team they don't.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 01:09 AM

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Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes




Or the Jets generating more excitement than the Yankees.


A Joe Girardi firing would change that.


DUDE!


Who gave up all of those runs? C.C. , Hughes or Girardi?


I like Girardi. Iliked him as a player and I like him as a manager.

[Edited on 10/18/2010 by dougrhon]


DougMacKenzie - 10/18/2010 at 09:13 AM

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Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes



There's a first time for everything, and right now the Trinity Christian Eagles 6 man football team from Aledo is generating more excitement than the Cowboys.

And watch out if Vlad and Josh actually start hitting. THis series could really heat up this week in NY. It is exciting.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 11:33 AM

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Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes



There's a first time for everything, and right now the Trinity Christian Eagles 6 man football team from Aledo is generating more excitement than the Cowboys.

And watch out if Vlad and Josh actually start hitting. THis series could really heat up this week in NY. It is exciting.


If the Yankees pitchers pitch like they can pitch no one will heat up. If they pitch like the first two games everyone will heat up.


lonomon - 10/18/2010 at 11:55 AM

Phillies tied it up 1 - 1

off to San Fran now


Stephen - 10/18/2010 at 02:53 PM

Cain vs. Hamels, another good one -- Hamels was their top dog when they won 2 years ago


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 03:05 PM

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Pretty funny when the Rangers are generating more excitment in dust bowl country then the Cowpokes




Or the Jets generating more excitement than the Yankees.


A Joe Girardi firing would change that.


Doesn't matter. The Yankees are a flawed team. It wouldn't matter who the manager is.

This is what happens when you don't realize that players get old. No team has won a World Series with a shortstop as old as Jeter. Only one team has made it to the WS with a SS that old, 1956 Dodgers (Pee Wee Reese).




Of course the Yankees are flawed. As is every other team still playing. Couldn't we wait until the Yanks actually you know lose before you dissect why they lost? As for an old shortstop, what a ridiculous stat. When Jeter's age starts costing them runs then you might have a point. At this point the Yankees have one significant flaw, they do not have a trustworthy number four starter and Hughes is unproven. Sabbathia is not going to pitch like that again. Pettitte has been and I expect will be dynamite. Rivera who actually is 40 continues to be lights out. Posada can't catch but then he never could. Much of the rest of the team is not especially old at all. For example, Texiera, Cano, A-Rod, Swisher, Granderson and Gardner. Where you get the idea that this team is old I have no idea.


OK, you get on me for predicting the future and then you say that CC won't pitch like that again... Whatever. Are you telling me that Jeter hitting .270 in the leadoff spot didn't cost runs? Are you saying his range, which experts say wasn't that great and has diminished, didn't cost them runs? Yeah, pinstripe glasses.


Over the cost of the season? Of course. Especially compared to what he did in the past. Over the cost of the post-season? No. He has played effectively so far. ANd if you think Derek Jeter is just a below average shortstop when the playoffs start then you probably thought he was just a pretty good player in his hey day and consistently discounted his unique ability to come up big inbig spots. It's an easy thing to do when you don't watch the team play day in and day out.

I said it ws unlikely Sabbathia will pitch so poorly again and it obviously is given his track record.. I asked you not to dissect the reasons the Yankees lost until they actually lose. Not the same thing. Of course if you want to do so in advance you can. I can't stop you.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 03:06 PM

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Just a odd statistical thing to me, nothing more.

Pitching will do the Yanks in, and nothing more.


Because few shortstops are good at age 36. What did Jeter hit, .270? 10 Home runs? .710 OPS? All the lowest of his career. He never had great range and he has lost a lot. Anyone who thinks Jeter is still a good player is looking through pinstripe glasses.




Let me get this straight. You are not arguing that he is no longer a "great" player which is definitely arguable. You are arguing he is no longer even a "good" player? That's absurd.


I'm arguing that he is an average player now. The stats back me up.


He had one bad season. If he never hits above .270 again you will be right. At this point it is an aberration. His range is down but he is still an effetive shortstop.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 09:48 PM

This whole thing is stupid and cluttering up the baseball thread. I'm deleting every one of my posts except for this one. I am sorry if I offended anyone by defending Derek Jeter. Let's get back to baseball.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 09:51 PM

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This whole thing is stupid and cluttering up the baseball thread. I'm deleting every one of my posts except for this one. I am sorry if I offended anyone by defending Derek Jeter. Let's get back to baseball.


I thought we were talking baseball.


No we were fighting. I left in my posts where we were talking baseball. You can do what you like with yours.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 09:52 PM

On a new subject I will predict the following regarding tonight's game: The team that scores the most runs will win.


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 09:56 PM

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This whole thing is stupid and cluttering up the baseball thread. I'm deleting every one of my posts except for this one. I am sorry if I offended anyone by defending Derek Jeter. Let's get back to baseball.


I thought we were talking baseball.


No we were fighting. I left in my posts where we were talking baseball. You can do what you like with yours.


It sounded like a local bar sports discussion to me.


Well that smiley face makes me feel all better. Now let's go Yankees


dougrhon - 10/18/2010 at 10:00 PM

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This whole thing is stupid and cluttering up the baseball thread. I'm deleting every one of my posts except for this one. I am sorry if I offended anyone by defending Derek Jeter. Let's get back to baseball.


I thought we were talking baseball.


No we were fighting. I left in my posts where we were talking baseball. You can do what you like with yours.


It sounded like a local bar sports discussion to me.


Well that smiley face makes me feel all better. Now let's go Yankees



Fixed that for you.


It took me two minutes to figure o ut how to do that


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 12:07 AM

Andy doing just what I expected through 5. The Yankees have got to find a way to break through against Lee.


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 01:39 AM

A brilliant even historically great game by Lee. The Yankee bull pen implodes in the 9th. But let none of that detract from the fact that 87 year old Andy Pettitte pitched 7 excellent innings and gave up only two runs. Just as I predicted he gave them a chance to win even against the great Lee. In hindsight of course had he pitched like this on Saturday we might be up 2-1 instead of down 2-1. But there was no reason to predict total disaster from Hughes.


fanfrom-71 - 10/19/2010 at 02:01 AM

Wow! They blanked 'em!!


mbtogo4 - 10/19/2010 at 06:42 AM

The Phillies let Lee walk away without even offering him a contract.
I really think they made a big mistake allowing that to happen,
hope it don't come back and bite the phillies in the ass.


WharfRat - 10/19/2010 at 08:46 AM

All I have to say is..



DougMacKenzie - 10/19/2010 at 09:10 AM

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dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 11:48 AM

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Stay strong my friend. This series is far from over and the score for tonight stands at 0-0.


Sandman - 10/19/2010 at 12:00 PM

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Stay strong my friend. This series is far from over and the score for tonight stands at 0-0.


Right on.

I actually like the way things are setting up from here on out. The match up tonight is a good one for the Yanks. AJ will step up and we're facing the weakest of the Texas starters.

Then tomorrow night, CC on full rest, at home...all signs look good for that one. That means we're up 3-2 going into the final two games...no way does Hughes pitch as bad as he did in game 2...

All in all, I still really like the Yanks chances in this series


Sandman - 10/19/2010 at 12:02 PM

And perhaps I'm wearing my Yankee blinders, but there's no other shortstop that I'd want out there than Derek Jeter.


fanfrom-71 - 10/19/2010 at 12:05 PM

Um. I'll say it again....

"I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv."


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 02:59 PM

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Um. I'll say it again....

"I never EVER count the Yanks out until I know they're home drinking a beer, and watching the WS on tv."


That's smart. Look let's face it. The Yankees do not win the world series every year. On average they only win one out of every four. And of course they tend to win in clumps so there have been decent blocks of time between wins for example the nine years between 2000 and 2009 amd the eighteen years between 1978 and 1996. So for the many fans whose favorite team is whoeverisplayingtheyankees, you have an excellent shot every year.

And having only experienced 7 world series championships for my team in my life I naturally want to experience more. You fans of whoeverisplayingtheyankees have it easy. Your team is winning around 75 percent of the time.


Bhawk - 10/19/2010 at 03:21 PM

Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 03:29 PM

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Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


I don't know. I think that whoeverisplayingtheyankees is very popular nationally at least from the amount of commentary I am seeing. You can't expect the national networks to broadcast less popular games when whoeverisplayingtheyankees is available. I myself have no problem watching my team the New York Yankees on local television. But people who are out of the New York area will only be able to see their favorite team whoeverisplayingtheyankees if they are on the national broadcast. I prefer local broadcasters anyway so would have no problem if the Yankees never appeared on national television.


Bhawk - 10/19/2010 at 04:42 PM

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Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


I don't know. I think that whoeverisplayingtheyankees is very popular nationally at least from the amount of commentary I am seeing. You can't expect the national networks to broadcast less popular games when whoeverisplayingtheyankees is available. I myself have no problem watching my team the New York Yankees on local television. But people who are out of the New York area will only be able to see their favorite team whoeverisplayingtheyankees if they are on the national broadcast. I prefer local broadcasters anyway so would have no problem if the Yankees never appeared on national television.


The Yankees and Red Sox are always on ESPN or Fox a multitude of times every season. Entire series. Then there is the SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight constant obsession with those two teams.

I've said it before. The Yankees, Red Sox and the other 4 top money making teams should just start a 6 team superleague and just play each other.

For your "Yankee hate" theory to be true, then surely more people would have tuned in at the prospect of seeing them lose than would a really crappy MNF game. They didn't.

If people hated the Yankees as much as you think they do, more folks would still watch them. I say that even more people are just sick of the Yankees win or lose and disgusted with baseball in general.


leafsfan - 10/19/2010 at 04:48 PM

Canada hates the yankees!!! And Canada is grateful to the Texas Rangers for kicking their a$$$$$$e$$$!!!!!!




fanfrom-71 - 10/19/2010 at 05:50 PM

This is fun!


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 05:53 PM

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Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


I don't know. I think that whoeverisplayingtheyankees is very popular nationally at least from the amount of commentary I am seeing. You can't expect the national networks to broadcast less popular games when whoeverisplayingtheyankees is available. I myself have no problem watching my team the New York Yankees on local television. But people who are out of the New York area will only be able to see their favorite team whoeverisplayingtheyankees if they are on the national broadcast. I prefer local broadcasters anyway so would have no problem if the Yankees never appeared on national television.


The Yankees and Red Sox are always on ESPN or Fox a multitude of times every season. Entire series. Then there is the SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight constant obsession with those two teams.

I've said it before. The Yankees, Red Sox and the other 4 top money making teams should just start a 6 team superleague and just play each other.

For your "Yankee hate" theory to be true, then surely more people would have tuned in at the prospect of seeing them lose than would a really crappy MNF game. They didn't.

If people hated the Yankees as much as you think they do, more folks would still watch them. I say that even more people are just sick of the Yankees win or lose and disgusted with baseball in general.


I'm just fooling around. Actually most of the Yankee hate is based right here in New York. As Pete will attest most Mets fans probably hate the Yankees as much as they like the Mets. The real problem is that televised baseball does not have that kind of appeal whether it's the Yankees or anyone else. This is especially so during the 162 game season when one game doesn't mean that much anyway. I'm surprised they get any ratings at all. So they want to showcase the teams that will get the largest ratings even though even that is quite meagher. The Yankees are likely among the most popular (as well as most hated) teams in the country even though as a percentage of overall fandom it is still low. The reason is just because New York has a lot of people as well as a lot of expatriates who have moved elsewhere. The answer to being bored of the Yankees on national t.v. is simply to not watch as most people are doing.


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 05:53 PM

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Just two games so far my northern friend. You've got to win four.


Sandman - 10/19/2010 at 06:36 PM

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MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5



I think that has more to do with the baseball game being on TBS and the football game being on ESPN...

No one watches TBS.

Plus, I think you could argue football is way more popular than baseball, hence the higher ratings...


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 10:26 PM

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Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


Thank you. I get sick of the announcers canonizing every Yankee player. The only thing more insufferable about that is their fans who whine when someone doesn't agree with that assessment. Eff the Yankees. It's fun to watch them lose.


What broadcast were you watching? All I heard were endless acculades to St. Cliff.


dougrhon - 10/19/2010 at 10:27 PM

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MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5



I think that has more to do with the baseball game being on TBS and the football game being on ESPN...

No one watches TBS.

Plus, I think you could argue football is way more popular than baseball, hence the higher ratings...



Football is more popular nationally than baseball.


gondicar - 10/19/2010 at 10:36 PM

Well he was pitching like a god last night

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What broadcast were you watching? All I heard were endless acculades to St. Cliff.


fanfrom-71 - 10/19/2010 at 11:06 PM

Yankees are gonna' score if the fans have any thing to do with it!


fanfrom-71 - 10/19/2010 at 11:15 PM

Yankees are playing backward baseball. The kind where you subtract runs!


DougMacKenzie - 10/20/2010 at 06:56 AM

OK, I'm starting to be-Lee-ive!


WharfRat - 10/20/2010 at 03:05 PM

I quit.


DougMacKenzie - 10/20/2010 at 03:12 PM

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I know how you feel brother.

GO RANGERS!


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 05:28 PM

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Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


Thank you. I get sick of the announcers canonizing every Yankee player. The only thing more insufferable about that is their fans who whine when someone doesn't agree with that assessment. Eff the Yankees. It's fun to watch them lose.


What broadcast were you watching? All I heard were endless acculades to St. Cliff.


What part of ESPN do you need explained to you?


ESPN is in it to make money. What kind of ratings do you think they'd get if they showed the Brewers playing the Pirates all the time?


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 05:30 PM

Texas is flat out crushing the ball right now and their pitching staff has been just this side of perfect. Have to hand it to them. They've played an excellent series so far.


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 05:32 PM

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I just refuse to do that. I love the match up today for the Yanks. Win this one today and stranger things have happened. Sure, it won't be easy. But I refuse to give up...

Definitely have to hand it to the Rangers, though...they're a fine team.


fanfrom-71 - 10/20/2010 at 05:45 PM

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Texas is flat out crushing the ball right now and their pitching staff has been just this side of perfect. Have to hand it to them. They've played an excellent series so far.


What have they outscored their opponent's in postseason with? 38 to 5 or something?!
SIZZLIN'!!!


leafsfan - 10/20/2010 at 06:04 PM

Anybody but the Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 06:09 PM

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Not to mention that hometown dedication to staying to the end.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 06:20 PM

The Rangers have been playing quite well but bad teams don't usually make it to the ALCS. Let's go over why the Yankees are losing:

1. The big hitters except for Jeter and Cano have done squat. You are not going to catch me defending A-Rod the way I defend Jeter and others. It is looking like last year was the abberation. As A-Rod goes so go the Yankees and he has not gotten it done this year at all. He has been abysmal. Last night against the 4th starter he failed epically. I like Texeira but it is now two straight years he has been brutally bad at the plate in the post-season, an easy out. Ironically his departure may actually increase the Yankee's chances as Cano will take the three spot. Swisher has also been awful. He does have long quality at bats but he just does not come up with big hits in big situations. As we Yankees have won 5 world series in the past 16 years we have seen this with other teams. The reason the Yankees have won World Series is not because they have hit 10 home runs a game but because their big hitters have had big hits in big situations.

2. Brutal pitching: No need to say more about game's one and two. But the bullpen has been just abysmal. Frankly I have my doubts as to whether the Yankees offense would have gotten back in either game 3 or 4. Lee would likely have crusied through the 9th and yesterday nothing was happening. But still.

3. Bad managing: In the end you have to criticize the players but Girardi has made some seriously questionable moves. I am not one to bash the manager. I thought he was right to set up the rotation the way he did. But what is he doing intentionally walking Murphy in the sixth with two outs and then letting A.J. pitch to Molina? I mean that just makes no sense. A.J. has control problems, is tiring and Murphy is not exactly Mickey Mantle while Molina was having a great game. Why on earth would you take away Burnett's margin for error and put the go ahead run on base and THEN leave him in to pitch to Molina? That makes absolutely no sense. None.

The series is not over but it is not looking good for the Yankees. In the end this team lacks many of the ingredients that enabled 5 other Yankee teams to win it all in the past 15 years. The reason the Yankees are losing however is not because

1. Jeter is old: He is having a great post-season as yesterday's double and triple will attest to.
2. The team is filled with paid mercenaries. This team is not filled with mercanaries but lots of home grown talent and others that were traded for. The key sluggers are just not coming through.
3. The team is too old: The only one who seems to be getting too old is Posada. His offensive skills are declining to the point where his horrific catching skills are a serious liability. Jeter is showing that he can still play and play at a high level. I don't think he should be leading off next year though. Rivera is 40 but I doubt anyone would want to face him with a deficit in the 8th or 9th. Pettitte pitched two extremely excellent games this post-season as I expected and predicted. Nobody else who is significant is old at all. Texeira, Cano, Swisher, Granderson, Gardner are all young.

Anyway Texas is earning this because they are taking advantage of the myriad of Yankee mistakes and problems. With Cliff Lee anchoring their staff they certainly have a serious chance to win it all. It is not over but I obviously do not have a good feeling. Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 06:20 PM

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Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


Thank you. I get sick of the announcers canonizing every Yankee player. The only thing more insufferable about that is their fans who whine when someone doesn't agree with that assessment. Eff the Yankees. It's fun to watch them lose.


What broadcast were you watching? All I heard were endless acculades to St. Cliff.


What part of ESPN do you need explained to you?


ESPN is in it to make money. What kind of ratings do you think they'd get if they showed the Brewers playing the Pirates all the time?


I'm not talking about the game broadcasts as opposed to the discussion time they (and the Red Sox) get on SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight.

Would it be different if ESPN was based in Chicago or L.A. as opposed to Bristol, CT? I'm pretty sure.

They spread out coverage of college football only because they have to. College basketball? ACC and the Big East always get more time. NFL? They spend more time talking about the Jets, Giants, Eagles, Patriots and Redskins than all the other teams, save for Pittsburgh, but they're closer. I follow a bunch of ESPN personalities on Twitter, 95% of the time most of them talk about the Jets, Giants and Yankees.

I know how big NYC is and I know how many people live on the East Coast, and, yes, I know how many Yankee fans there are. However, there are other sports teams and fans west of the Poconos and Appalachians.

I remember when the MLB All Star game was at US Cellular in Chicago a few years ago. Berman and the rest of the ESPN team covering it made it sound like they were in some pasture. Gee, can't wait for them to come to KC for the 2012 game. They'll actually have to fly west of the Mississippi.

Here's an experiment. Let's see what happens if the Rangers close out this series. Will the story focus be on the Ranger accomplishment or the Yankee failure? We'll see...


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 06:21 PM

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I just refuse to do that. I love the match up today for the Yanks. Win this one today and stranger things have happened. Sure, it won't be easy. But I refuse to give up...

Definitely have to hand it to the Rangers, though...they're a fine team.



In our hearts we feel like the Yankees will probably not win tonight let alone three in a row. And yet we will watch and hope because you are right. There is nothing for us to gain by giving up.


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 06:23 PM

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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


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Oh, enough with the "Everybody picks on the Yankees" crap.

Last night's TV ratings...

MNF Titans vs. Jags horrible abhorration involving 2 teams from 2 weak markets - 7.2
MLB Rangers-Yankees marquee matchup in two giant markets - 6.5

(H/T Bill Simmons)

Personally, I think the rest of the country is sick of having the Yankees and Red Sox jammed down their throats year after year by the Eastcoast Sports Programming Network.


Thank you. I get sick of the announcers canonizing every Yankee player. The only thing more insufferable about that is their fans who whine when someone doesn't agree with that assessment. Eff the Yankees. It's fun to watch them lose.


What broadcast were you watching? All I heard were endless acculades to St. Cliff.


What part of ESPN do you need explained to you?


ESPN is in it to make money. What kind of ratings do you think they'd get if they showed the Brewers playing the Pirates all the time?


I'm not talking about the game broadcasts as opposed to the discussion time they (and the Red Sox) get on SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight.

Would it be different if ESPN was based in Chicago or L.A. as opposed to Bristol, CT? I'm pretty sure.

They spread out coverage of college football only because they have to. College basketball? ACC and the Big East always get more time. NFL? They spend more time talking about the Jets, Giants, Eagles, Patriots and Redskins than all the other teams, save for Pittsburgh, but they're closer. I follow a bunch of ESPN personalities on Twitter, 95% of the time most of them talk about the Jets, Giants and Yankees.

I know how big NYC is and I know how many people live on the East Coast, and, yes, I know how many Yankee fans there are. However, there are other sports teams and fans west of the Poconos and Appalachians.

I remember when the MLB All Star game was at US Cellular in Chicago a few years ago. Berman and the rest of the ESPN team covering it made it sound like they were in some pasture. Gee, can't wait for them to come to KC for the 2012 game. They'll actually have to fly west of the Mississippi.

Here's an experiment. Let's see what happens if the Rangers close out this series. Will the story focus be on the Ranger accomplishment or the Yankee failure? We'll see...


I believe it will be on both because both are related. If the Yankees lose tonight it will be an epic fail. That is a story. I rarely watch ESPN so I am not aware they favor east coast coverage. Perhaps a network could be set up to specialize in the rest of the country. I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 06:27 PM

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Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.

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Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 06:40 PM

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So is a team winning their first pennant.

When the Red Sox won their first World Series in forever, you know who got off easy? The Cardinals. One of the single worst epic fails in the history of epic fails. Nobody talked about that, though...


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 06:44 PM

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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.



Doug, I spent nearly all of my 20s in the restaurant and bar business, 6 of them as a bartender, most of that time in Chicago. I served a lot of people from New York and a lot of Yankee fans. I know you like to speak for people as a giant group but this humble graciousness that you describe has rarely come forth from the Yankee fans from New York I have encountered over the years.

As far as silliness regarding other teams failing, are you telling me there's not one Yankee fan that loves it when the Red Sox lose? C'mon, now. Seriously.


gondicar - 10/20/2010 at 06:45 PM

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I believe it will be on both because both are related. If the Yankees lose tonight it will be an epic fail. That is a story.


So is a team winning their first pennant.

When the Red Sox won their first World Series in forever, you know who got off easy? The Cardinals. One of the single worst epic fails in the history of epic fails. Nobody talked about that, though...


Well, considering the eipc fali/comeback in the ALCS that year, another epic fail was easier to overlook I guess.

Not to get ahead of anything, but a Ranger/Giants WS would be very cool, IMO. Might not be a ratings bonanza, but plenty of good story lines...


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 06:56 PM

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


To me, this is the reason. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that ESPN is located on the east coast. Again, they're in it only for the money and ratings. Yes, there is a sporting world west of the Mississippi. It's just the ratings aren't there. It's on the east coast.

Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.

So even when ESPN is not showing the east coast teams, they're talking about them. Again, that's for the ratings pure and simple.

There's a reason why they don't spend a lot of air time talking about and showing the Iowa State Cylones.


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 06:58 PM

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That's quite a bullpen the Yankees have.


Not to mention that hometown dedication to staying to the end.


I'd reckon you'd get that anywhere. How many people were even showing up to KC games near the end of the season?

I haven't given up yet...


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 07:07 PM

And another thing I guess I'm sick of people lumping all of a team's fans into one negative group of people. Are there Yankee fans that are overbearing? Sure. Just like fans from every single sporting team out there.

I've been a Yankees fan since I can remember being a fan of anyone. My Dad is a Yankee fan. I'm just a dude from the midwest that happens to like the Yankees. They're my team - they've always been my team. All through the 80s and early 90s when they were finishing in last place. They were still my team. I cheer for them with as much enthusiasm as anyone cheering for their team.

I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.

The Yankees are just my favorite team. That's all. Just like anyone's favorite...


[Edited on 10/20/2010 by Sandman]


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 07:13 PM

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I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.


I didn't do that. I was specifically referring to Yankee fans from New York that I have had personal encounters with in the past. Doug was speaking in the collective "we." I was simply responding that in my own personal experience that wasn't the case.



Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 07:16 PM

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That's quite a bullpen the Yankees have.


Not to mention that hometown dedication to staying to the end.


I'd reckon you'd get that anywhere. How many people were even showing up to KC games near the end of the season?

I haven't given up yet...



What do the Royals have to do with it? They are a mere afterthought to the likes of the Yankee faithful and will never, ever be a winning team again. As a matter of fact, KC was one of the teams Saint Steinbrenner wanted to get rid of in his dreams of contracting the league.


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 07:17 PM

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That's quite a bullpen the Yankees have.


Not to mention that hometown dedication to staying to the end.


I'd reckon you'd get that anywhere. How many people were even showing up to KC games near the end of the season?

I haven't given up yet...



App;es and oranges. KC is a team with ownership that doesn't care about the product. The Yankee fans were leaving from a playoff game that was still going on. What, can't the Yankees come back when they are losing?


And I'm saying you'd get that at any stadium of any team that's still in the playoffs - not just the Yankees.

And I've repeatedly said in this thread that the Yanks can still come back. I believe that.


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 07:18 PM

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 07:19 PM

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That's quite a bullpen the Yankees have.


Not to mention that hometown dedication to staying to the end.


I'd reckon you'd get that anywhere. How many people were even showing up to KC games near the end of the season?

I haven't given up yet...



What do the Royals have to do with it?



Dude, you brought up the hometown dedication of fans staying til the end...I just wondered how many KC fans were showing up to the games at the end of the season...


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 07:23 PM

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


I really do think the playing field should be leveled somehow. Caps, bottoms, fixing free agency, whatever...the system could be fixed. I've said that all along too...


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 07:27 PM

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


To me, this is the reason. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that ESPN is located on the east coast. Again, they're in it only for the money and ratings. Yes, there is a sporting world west of the Mississippi. It's just the ratings aren't there. It's on the east coast.

Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.

So even when ESPN is not showing the east coast teams, they're talking about them. Again, that's for the ratings pure and simple.

There's a reason why they don't spend a lot of air time talking about and showing the Iowa State Cylones.


I don't agree. There are a lot of people in the west, especially California. The coverage out here by ESPN is weak. In many markets, FoxSports has more viewers than ESPN.


Well, I guess I don't have a stake in this one way or the other...am I happy the Yanks are on TV a lot? Sure. In the midwest, I get the Cubs and WhiteSox games on cable. That's it, pretty much. I guess I'm happy the Yanks are on ESPN so often, regardless of the reason. I guess I've always figured it was simply for the ratings. I don't know.


Sandman - 10/20/2010 at 07:55 PM

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No doubt. The Razor Gal isn't so sure though. For some silly reason she thinks I'd never leave the house....'course she might me right


spacemonkey - 10/20/2010 at 07:56 PM

Matt Cain!


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:24 PM

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So is a team winning their first pennant.

When the Red Sox won their first World Series in forever, you know who got off easy? The Cardinals. One of the single worst epic fails in the history of epic fails. Nobody talked about that, though...


What can I tell you? I don't make those decisions but I would definitely prefer the focus be on the Rangers than an epic fail by the Yankees.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:28 PM

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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.



Doug, I spent nearly all of my 20s in the restaurant and bar business, 6 of them as a bartender, most of that time in Chicago. I served a lot of people from New York and a lot of Yankee fans. I know you like to speak for people as a giant group but this humble graciousness that you describe has rarely come forth from the Yankee fans from New York I have encountered over the years.

As far as silliness regarding other teams failing, are you telling me there's not one Yankee fan that loves it when the Red Sox lose? C'mon, now. Seriously.


Yankee fans are not gracious any more than other teams fans are. I never said that. I said we don't expect people to feel sorry for us. I agree a lot of Yankee fans do take pleasure when the Red Sox lose. I am not one of them. I couldn't care less if the Red Sox win or lose as long as it's not beating the Yankees. Nevertheless, I cannot see Yankee fans platering their Face Book status with rooting for and cheering for an opponent of the Red Sox. I could be wrong about that but I just don't think so. It's more like hah hah they suck than a deep and serious desire to see them lose that approaches or exceeds the desire of their own team to win. I seriously believe that Mets and Red Sox fans are rooting for the Rangers with the same fervor they root for the Mets and Red Sox. I actually think that's cool. It's nice to have a rooting interest even when your team is not in it. I personally tend to lose interest in baseball when the Yankees are not playing. I never root for or against anyone else.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:30 PM

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And another thing I guess I'm sick of people lumping all of a team's fans into one negative group of people. Are there Yankee fans that are overbearing? Sure. Just like fans from every single sporting team out there.

I've been a Yankees fan since I can remember being a fan of anyone. My Dad is a Yankee fan. I'm just a dude from the midwest that happens to like the Yankees. They're my team - they've always been my team. All through the 80s and early 90s when they were finishing in last place. They were still my team. I cheer for them with as much enthusiasm as anyone cheering for their team.

I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.

The Yankees are just my favorite team. That's all. Just like anyone's favorite...


[Edited on 10/20/2010 by Sandman]


Every team has thuggish fans. Every single one. Yankee fans are great and dedicated. I went through a lot of years, as you point out, where the Yankees did not win anything. A lot of years.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:30 PM

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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.

[Edited on 10/20/2010 by dougrhon]


I take solace in watching the great Yankee fans fleeing the stadium in the 7th inning.


Anything to give you solace. I bet if they started the damn game at 7 less people would leave early. Just saying.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:31 PM

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I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.


I didn't do that. I was specifically referring to Yankee fans from New York that I have had personal encounters with in the past. Doug was speaking in the collective "we." I was simply responding that in my own personal experience that wasn't the case.





How come you get to generalize based on your personal experience but I don't?


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:33 PM

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Not to mention that hometown dedication to staying to the end.


I'd reckon you'd get that anywhere. How many people were even showing up to KC games near the end of the season?

I haven't given up yet...



App;es and oranges. KC is a team with ownership that doesn't care about the product. The Yankee fans were leaving from a playoff game that was still going on. What, can't the Yankees come back when they are losing?


I would never leave a game early but again I don't think it's fair to make a generalization of the fans in general based on this. What about the millions who kept the tv on until the last pitch?


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:33 PM

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


That would be only two teams. That might get boring.


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gondicar - 10/20/2010 at 08:39 PM

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I would never leave a game early but again I don't think it's fair to make a generalization of the fans in general based on this. What about the millions who kept the tv on until the last pitch?


You were the only one actually watching. Everyone else had left the room and just forgot to turn off the TV.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:48 PM

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Still losijng is part of rooting for a team and even though it seems like they win every year, the Yankees have lost 3 times as much as they have won.


Yeah, having 27 championships sure does make someone feel bad for them...


I doubt a Yankee fan alive expects anyone to feel bad for them. I take solace in the past victories and look forward to future ones which I am certain are coming. My point is just that the Yankees do not win every year and we fans look forward to and get excited about winning it all much as others do. We do not expect to win. We appreciate it when we do and get disappointed when we don't. I would never waste my time aggressively rooting for another team to fail. It seems silly.

[Edited on 10/20/2010 by dougrhon]


I take solace in watching the great Yankee fans fleeing the stadium in the 7th inning.


Anything to give you solace. I bet if they started the damn game at 7 less people would leave early. Just saying.


Yeah that's it. The score had nothing to do with it. Coincidence.


The score had everything to do with it. But if it were 10:30 instead of 11:30 I bet most would have stayed anyway.


dougrhon - 10/20/2010 at 08:50 PM

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 09:32 PM

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I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.


I didn't do that. I was specifically referring to Yankee fans from New York that I have had personal encounters with in the past. Doug was speaking in the collective "we." I was simply responding that in my own personal experience that wasn't the case.





How come you get to generalize based on your personal experience but I don't?


Because I never generalized the entire Yankee fan base down to the last person. You used the word "we" which to me infers that you are speaking for all.

I simply noted that I had met Yankee fans from New York that were not as gracious and pleasant as you described them as all being. Pretty simple.


Bhawk - 10/20/2010 at 09:34 PM

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


That would be only two teams. That might get boring.


I'll bet it wouldn't to Sox and Yankee fans.


gondicar - 10/20/2010 at 11:26 PM

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


It only needs a few women in it, women yankee fans are even more obnoxious than the men. Other than that, it seems to fit the vast majority of yankee fans to a "T" (present company exlcuded of course). The Yankee fans I know are Red Sox haters and seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Red Sox organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Red Sox fail.


gondicar - 10/21/2010 at 12:20 AM

Rangers 0, Yankees 0, Top 1

Even though Sabathia gave up two hits, the Rangers didn't score in the first inning. That was pretty big. I could have seen them fall apart a bit had the Rangers come out firing. Sabathia got Vlad Guerrero to strike out looking to end the inning. That's a rarity. He's usually swinging at anything and everything -- close or not.

Pre-game

It's pretty quiet here at Yankee Stadium, just before first pitch. There are a surprising number of empty seats, even for a 4 p.m. start. It's the playoffs, after all.

There's just no real buzz right now, with the Yankees on the brink of elimination. If even the appearance of Bucky Dent and Aaron Boone couldn't get the crowd excited, what hope is there? In truth, it does seem like the Yankees have a good chance at this one. Sabathia would seem to be due for a good start. But who knows?

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/


fanfrom-71 - 10/21/2010 at 01:22 AM

Man! Leave the house for a minute and look what the heck happens!!
5-0 Yanks.


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 01:50 AM

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I just don't understand why most people brand all Yankee fans as overbearing thugs. I'll never get that. I understand that people don't like the Yankees. As I said, I think that's good for baseball. But to lump al their fans into a less than flattering category, isn't right.


I didn't do that. I was specifically referring to Yankee fans from New York that I have had personal encounters with in the past. Doug was speaking in the collective "we." I was simply responding that in my own personal experience that wasn't the case.





How come you get to generalize based on your personal experience but I don't?


Because I never generalized the entire Yankee fan base down to the last person. You used the word "we" which to me infers that you are speaking for all.

I simply noted that I had met Yankee fans from New York that were not as gracious and pleasant as you described them as all being. Pretty simple.


Ridiculous. n I never described them ALL as being anything and you know it.


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 01:50 AM

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I can only assume they favor east coast coverage because of ratings, pure and simple.


Like it or not, the Yankees and Boston are good for baseball. They bring up attendance everywhere they go. They bring ratings which ultimately helps the sport.



That's why there should be a six team superleague. Hell, how about the Sox and Yankees just play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and 81 games at Fenway every year?


That would be only two teams. That might get boring.


I'll bet it wouldn't to Sox and Yankee fans.


Speaking as a Yankee fan to me it would.


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 01:51 AM

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


Cry me a river. I've attended games at Yankee Stadium. I know how their fans are.


Whatever. All other ball parks are a garden of eden with decent gentle souls. Only the evil vile Yankee Stadium. Give it up already. It's old and damn whiny frankly.


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 01:52 AM

You think there's a buzz now?


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 02:45 AM

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


Cry me a river. I've attended games at Yankee Stadium. I know how their fans are.


Whatever. All other ball parks are a garden of eden with decent gentle souls. Only the evil vile Yankee Stadium. Give it up already. It's old and damn whiny frankly.


Ballparks I have attended games at in my life

Ebbets Field
Polo Grounds
Yankee Stadium (old0
Shea Stadium
Veterans Stadium
Coors Field
Chase Field (Arizona)
AT&T Park (SF)
Dodger Stadium


I think I can form an opinion on fans based on that.


Yes you can. And yes the souls at Shea are well known for their decent gentility. Phillies fans are extremely well known for their politeness. Whatever.


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 03:09 AM

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It's funny but I think this is a case of displacement. The Yankee fans I know are out there talking Yankee baseball and rooting for the team. The Yankee haters I know seem to feel a need to constantly bash not just the Yankee organization but their fans and seem to get an extreme plesure when the Yankees fail. It's just my observation. Being from Queens I certainly know as many Yankee loathers as Yankee lovers.


Cry me a river. I've attended games at Yankee Stadium. I know how their fans are.


Whatever. All other ball parks are a garden of eden with decent gentle souls. Only the evil vile Yankee Stadium. Give it up already. It's old and damn whiny frankly.


Ballparks I have attended games at in my life

Ebbets Field
Polo Grounds
Yankee Stadium (old0
Shea Stadium
Veterans Stadium
Coors Field
Chase Field (Arizona)
AT&T Park (SF)
Dodger Stadium


I think I can form an opinion on fans based on that.


Yes you can. And yes the souls at Shea are well known for their decent gentility. Phillies fans are extremely well known for their politeness. Whatever.


I never had a problem with anyone at Veterans Stadium. In fact, they were very friendly to opposing fans. Their venom was always directed at someone on the field, be it a Phillie, Met, Eagle or Santa Claus.

One thing I noticed at Shea was that there were a certain number of fans who were frontrunners. They were Mets fans when they were going well and Yankee fans when the Yankees were doing well. They also had the market cornered on obnoxious. The atmosphere at Shea was always better when they weren't good than it was when they were doing well.


Look I've attended many sports events in NYC.There are drunken **** s everywhere and most people are fine and decent. I was at Shea Stadium in 1984 back when the Cubs were the hated rival that year (The Mets rival is the team that beats them that year) I saw a group of Mets fans literally rip a Cubs jersey off someone in the crowd.To be fair I . saw a group do that to someone wearing a Red Sox shirt at Yankee Stadium.I have no doubt something like that could happen to a Yankee fan at Fenway. Is it cool?No. Is it acceptable? No.Is it indicative of all fans? Of course not. I will leave it at that.


spacemonkey - 10/21/2010 at 03:19 AM

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Look I've attended many sports events in NYC.There are drunken **** s everywhere and most people are fine and decent. I was at Shea Stadium in 1984 back when the Cubs were the hated rival that year (The Mets rival is the team that beats them that year) I saw a group of Mets fans literally rip a Cubs jersey off someone in the crowd.To be fair I . saw a group do that to someone wearing a Red Sox shirt at Yankee Stadium.I have no doubt something like that could happen to a Yankee fan at Fenway. Is it cool?No. Is it acceptable? No.Is it indicative of all fans? Of course not. I will leave it at that.




I would say it is felony assault


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 03:22 AM

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Look I've attended many sports events in NYC.There are drunken **** s everywhere and most people are fine and decent. I was at Shea Stadium in 1984 back when the Cubs were the hated rival that year (The Mets rival is the team that beats them that year) I saw a group of Mets fans literally rip a Cubs jersey off someone in the crowd.To be fair I . saw a group do that to someone wearing a Red Sox shirt at Yankee Stadium.I have no doubt something like that could happen to a Yankee fan at Fenway. Is it cool?No. Is it acceptable? No.Is it indicative of all fans? Of course not. I will leave it at that.




I would say it is felony assault


I would say you are right.


spacemonkey - 10/21/2010 at 03:24 AM

i have been to Memorial Field, Orioles Park, RFK, Nationals Park, Three Rivers and Candlestick for baseball.

Seeing Willie Mays play at Three Rivers was the best. Almost caught a foul ball he hit in BP.

The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.



dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 03:26 AM

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i have been to Memorial Field, Orioles Park, RFK, Nationals Park, Three Rivers and Candlestick for baseball.

Seeing Willie Mays play at Three Rivers was the best. Almost caught a foul ball he hit in BP.

The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.





Was it a baseball game or a Dead concert?


spacemonkey - 10/21/2010 at 03:29 AM

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Seeing Willie Mays play at Three Rivers was the best. Almost caught a foul ball he hit in BP.

The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.





Was it a baseball game or a Dead concert?


Don't think the Dead ever lost to the cubs. Had to be the Giants


spacemonkey - 10/21/2010 at 03:31 AM

now if it had been a Giants/Dodgers game, it could get nasty.


fanfrom-71 - 10/21/2010 at 04:00 AM

Headin' back to Texas!


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 04:06 AM

And the Yankees show some pinstripe pride. Had they played like this in either of the last two games we would not be gearing up for a BEST case scenario of facing Cliff Lee on Saturday. I somehow knew that moving up Cano would get the top of the order moving.


WharfRat - 10/21/2010 at 06:57 AM

I see I missed all the fun today..

Or not.

Missed most of the game today (work) but my intention was to not watch any of it at all.
Just fed up and disgusted overall.
But I did not want my last view of the 2010 Yanks to be of Texiera collapsing at 1st base.


DougMacKenzie - 10/21/2010 at 03:12 PM

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Headin' back to Texas!


C'mon down! I didn't see anything but the first inning of the game. Just had a feeling the Yanks would be all over this one. Hard to beat anyone 4 games in a row, let alone the Yankees. Now things get interesting! I expect the Yanks to be loose and come out swinging. We'll see how the Rangers do at closing them out. I really don't want to see a game 7, even with Cliff Lee on the mound. Does anyone ever just call him Lee?


Lee - 10/21/2010 at 05:03 PM

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Headin' back to Texas!


C'mon down! I didn't see anything but the first inning of the game. Just had a feeling the Yanks would be all over this one. Hard to beat anyone 4 games in a row, let alone the Yankees. Now things get interesting! I expect the Yanks to be loose and come out swinging. We'll see how the Rangers do at closing them out. I really don't want to see a game 7, even with Cliff Lee on the mound. Does anyone ever just call him Lee?



I do. I think everyone should be called Lee.


Sandman - 10/21/2010 at 06:13 PM

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It only needs a few women in it, women yankee fans are even more obnoxious than the men. Other than that, it seems to fit the vast majority of yankee fans to a "T".


Oh, bullsh!t. Here, I fixed it for you:

"Other than that, it seems to fit the very vocal, but ultimately a small minority of yankee fans to a "T" - which is not unlike the overbearing fans of every other sporting team in the country."

There...that's a little more accurate...



Brendan - 10/21/2010 at 06:22 PM

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Headin' back to Texas!


C'mon down! I didn't see anything but the first inning of the game. Just had a feeling the Yanks would be all over this one. Hard to beat anyone 4 games in a row, let alone the Yankees. Now things get interesting! I expect the Yanks to be loose and come out swinging. We'll see how the Rangers do at closing them out. I really don't want to see a game 7, even with Cliff Lee on the mound. Does anyone ever just call him Lee?
He probably hates being called just Lee. Who would want that?


DougMacKenzie - 10/21/2010 at 06:54 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Headin' back to Texas!


C'mon down! I didn't see anything but the first inning of the game. Just had a feeling the Yanks would be all over this one. Hard to beat anyone 4 games in a row, let alone the Yankees. Now things get interesting! I expect the Yanks to be loose and come out swinging. We'll see how the Rangers do at closing them out. I really don't want to see a game 7, even with Cliff Lee on the mound. Does anyone ever just call him Lee?
He probably hates being called just Lee. Who would want that?


Good point.


Lee - 10/21/2010 at 06:59 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Headin' back to Texas!


C'mon down! I didn't see anything but the first inning of the game. Just had a feeling the Yanks would be all over this one. Hard to beat anyone 4 games in a row, let alone the Yankees. Now things get interesting! I expect the Yanks to be loose and come out swinging. We'll see how the Rangers do at closing them out. I really don't want to see a game 7, even with Cliff Lee on the mound. Does anyone ever just call him Lee?
He probably hates being called just Lee. Who would want that?



All the cool kids are doing it!!!


gondicar - 10/21/2010 at 08:05 PM

quote:
quote:
It only needs a few women in it, women yankee fans are even more obnoxious than the men. Other than that, it seems to fit the vast majority of yankee fans to a "T".


Oh, bullsh!t. Here, I fixed it for you:

"Other than that, it seems to fit the very vocal, but ultimately a small minority of yankee fans to a "T" - which is not unlike the overbearing fans of every other sporting team in the country."

There...that's a little more accurate...



alloak41 - 10/21/2010 at 08:23 PM

quote:
The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.


Surprising. Giant fans have a reputation for being some of the nastiest in baseball.


dougrhon - 10/21/2010 at 08:54 PM

quote:
quote:
The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.


Surprising. Giant fans have a reputation for being some of the nastiest in baseball.


Maybe they were shell shocked from losing to the Cubs.


alloak41 - 10/21/2010 at 09:19 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The most mellow crowd was at The Stick, lost to the cubs
and it was still groovy.


Surprising. Giant fans have a reputation for being some of the nastiest in baseball.


I've been to a game in SF. Everyone was too busy trying to stay warm to get nasty.


I've never been to a game there, but I got that off a poll of MLB players....Best clubhouse food, favorite ballparks, best umpires, best looking female fans, ect. I was surprised to see SF on that list myself. As I recall, the fans in St. Louis got the highest marks by the players.


WharfRat - 10/22/2010 at 02:53 PM

Ok, i'm back.

Wott ever happens, happens.

Just win tonight and then tommorrow is a crap shoot.

Bring it on


DougMacKenzie - 10/22/2010 at 02:56 PM

quote:
Ok, i'm back.

Wott ever happens, happens.

Just win tonight and then tommorrow is a crap shoot.

Bring it on


You got it ratboy. Chance of rain tonight, but hopefully they get the game in. SHould be fun!


Sandman - 10/22/2010 at 05:56 PM

quote:
Ok, i'm back.

Wott ever happens, happens.

Just win tonight and then tommorrow is a crap shoot.

Bring it on


Well, it's good to have you back

You didn't hurt anything jumping back on the bus, did you?


michaelsio - 10/22/2010 at 06:19 PM

quote:
quote:
Ok, i'm back.

Wott ever happens, happens.

Just win tonight and then tommorrow is a crap shoot.

Bring it on


Well, it's good to have you back

You didn't hurt anything jumping back on the bus, did you?


I think I may have strained my back jumping back on the Sillies bus.


dougrhon - 10/22/2010 at 09:10 PM

quote:
quote:
Ok, i'm back.

Wott ever happens, happens.

Just win tonight and then tommorrow is a crap shoot.

Bring it on


You got it ratboy. Chance of rain tonight, but hopefully they get the game in. SHould be fun!


If game got rained out would they be able to skip Hughes, use Pettitte in game 6 and then pitch CC on three days rest if the Yanks won game 6? Would they?


Brendan - 10/22/2010 at 09:20 PM

Why not start CC in game 6 if that's the case? What're you gonna save him for? A game that may not happen?


dougrhon - 10/22/2010 at 09:43 PM

quote:
Why not start CC in game 6 if that's the case? What're you gonna save him for? A game that may not happen?


He just pitched on Wednesday. He needs at least 3 days rest. Could not start until Sunday which would be game 7 if game 6 were rained out. My guess is that is what they would do.


Brendan - 10/22/2010 at 09:46 PM

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quote:
Why not start CC in game 6 if that's the case? What're you gonna save him for? A game that may not happen?


He just pitched on Wednesday. He needs at least 3 days rest. Could not start until Sunday which would be game 7 if game 6 were rained out. My guess is that is what they would do.
He's saying he has 50 pitches in him tonight if they need him. Push game 6 to tomorrow, you could start him, have Hughes come in for a couple, then Woods. Pettitte on Sunday if you get there. Might as well go for it. Do or die at this point.

I hope they play tonight though.


DougMacKenzie - 10/22/2010 at 09:51 PM

It's looking more and more likely that they will play tonight. This is kind of exciting! Thank goodness, the Cowboys suck!


dougrhon - 10/22/2010 at 09:53 PM

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quote:
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Why not start CC in game 6 if that's the case? What're you gonna save him for? A game that may not happen?


He just pitched on Wednesday. He needs at least 3 days rest. Could not start until Sunday which would be game 7 if game 6 were rained out. My guess is that is what they would do.
He's saying he has 50 pitches in him tonight if they need him. Push game 6 to tomorrow, you could start him, have Hughes come in for a couple, then Woods. Pettitte on Sunday if you get there. Might as well go for it. Do or die at this point.

I hope they play tonight though.


They would never start him on less than three days rest. You do not start a pitcher planning to give him only 50 pitches. A fully rested Hughes or Pettitte is infinitely preferable to a Sabbathia who pitched a full game 2 days before. What Girardi is saying is that in the event Hughes falters early and they cannot go right to Wood, Sabbathia is an option for an inning or so. You would never start a pitcher on such short rest. It's not that they would be saving him. It's that he wouldn't be prepared to pitch more than an inning or at most two.

[Edited on 10/22/2010 by dougrhon]


Brendan - 10/22/2010 at 10:02 PM

I get the concept Doug. What I'm saying is he says he can pitch some tonight. If it rains, that's one more day of rest, so he could conceivably pitch more tomorrow...

I frankly don't care what they do. I'm a Phillies fan.


dougrhon - 10/22/2010 at 10:20 PM

quote:
I get the concept Doug. What I'm saying is he says he can pitch some tonight. If it rains, that's one more day of rest, so he could conceivably pitch more tomorrow...

I frankly don't care what they do. I'm a Phillies fan.


Then you hope they go 7 and burn Sabbathia. That way both Sabbathia AND Lee would be burned. Of course the Phillies have a hurdle to get over but as I say where there is life there is hope. It doesn't look like it's going to be an issue as the game will be played.


dougrhon - 10/22/2010 at 10:23 PM

Meanwhile I am still wondering what people think Girardi would actually do in the event there were a rain out. Basically the option is to skip Hughes altogether, use Pettitte a day early and then if they win Sabbathia on 3 days rest for a game 7 start or stay with the plan, use Hughes hopefully effectively for game six and then have both Pettitte AND a rested Sabbathia to challenge Lee if necessary. No way would they skip Pettitte in the rotation. But what would a skip of Hughes do to his confidence? It is likely academic as they are going to play the game tonight.


emr - 10/23/2010 at 03:12 AM

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quote:
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Why not start CC in game 6 if that's the case? What're you gonna save him for? A game that may not happen?


He just pitched on Wednesday. He needs at least 3 days rest. Could not start until Sunday which would be game 7 if game 6 were rained out. My guess is that is what they would do.
He's saying he has 50 pitches in him tonight if they need him. Push game 6 to tomorrow, you could start him, have Hughes come in for a couple, then Woods. Pettitte on Sunday if you get there. Might as well go for it. Do or die at this point.

I hope they play tonight though.


They would never start him on less than three days rest. You do not start a pitcher planning to give him only 50 pitches. A fully rested Hughes or Pettitte is infinitely preferable to a Sabbathia who pitched a full game 2 days before. What Girardi is saying is that in the event Hughes falters early and they cannot go right to Wood, Sabbathia is an option for an inning or so. You would never start a pitcher on such short rest. It's not that they would be saving him. It's that he wouldn't be prepared to pitch more than an inning or at most two.

I agree. If you only have 50 pitches in someone you want them to be 50 important ones; not starting a game where that might mean pulling him in the second.

Rooting for the Giants tonight and for the game & ceremonial burning of both CC and Lee you discussed. Would have ended last night if Kung Fu Panda and Huff did their jobs in the field.

[Edited on 10/22/2010 by dougrhon]


MundeleinHoward - 10/23/2010 at 07:13 AM


CONGRATULATIONS on their FIRST American League Championship


WharfRat - 10/23/2010 at 07:27 AM

Sigh.

Enjoy this Dug..


WharfRat - 10/23/2010 at 07:27 AM

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone - Bart Giamatti


gotdrumz - 10/23/2010 at 07:29 AM

Whas Up Chuck ?

Bummer bout your Yankee's bro


DougMacKenzie - 10/23/2010 at 07:37 AM

quote:
Sigh.

Enjoy this Dug..


Thanks Chuck. This is sweet. No wonder you like it so much! Watched with the whole family, very exciting. It's been a long time coming.


gotdrumz - 10/23/2010 at 07:40 AM

I lived in Arlington, Tx. for awhile in the early.mid 80's
went to a few Ranger games


WharfRat - 10/23/2010 at 07:46 AM

quote:
Whas Up Chuck ?

Bummer bout your Yankee's bro


Crushed is an understatement


gotdrumz - 10/23/2010 at 07:47 AM

quote:
quote:
Whas Up Chuck ?

Bummer bout your Yankee's bro


Crushed is an understatement


Spring isn't too far off


DougMacKenzie - 10/23/2010 at 07:54 AM

quote:
quote:
Whas Up Chuck ?

Bummer bout your Yankee's bro


Crushed is an understatement


At least you still have the Squeelers.


fanfrom-71 - 10/23/2010 at 09:10 AM

Just got in to Macon and couldn't wait to get online to see who won the game.
Of course I came here first 'cause I new it would be up in hot topics!
Don't feel too bad Chuck. The best team in regular seasson baseball didn't make it to the big dance either.
GO GIANTS!!!


WharfRat - 10/23/2010 at 02:31 PM

Sigh.


leafsfan - 10/23/2010 at 06:32 PM

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Whas Up Chuck ?

Bummer bout your Yankee's bro
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----



Crushed is an understatement



Crushed? Yankees make the playoffs every year. At least you get to enjoy that.

Blue Jays in 2011!!!!


dougrhon - 10/23/2010 at 09:30 PM

We Yankee fans don't actually expect to win every year. But we don't expect to be crushed. The Yankees were crushed in this series from top to bottom. The only players who really played up to expectations were Pettitte, Wood, Rivera and Cano. But the bats were not the problem. The pitching was awful. It took the Yankees out of all four games they lost. The Rangers looked terrific and congratulations to them and their long suffering fans. But the Yankees did not really test them. They need to be in a couple of 1-1 games heading into extra innings. The Yanks couldn't even make it a series. To be honest it felt like a sweep. We won one game relatively handily, game 5 and we got blown away in four and were lucky to come back in one. The Yankees have some work to do this off season and I am certain that they will improve the team, not just by signing a free agent like Lee but by getting better role players. I think Andy will be back. I doubt he wants to go out like that. Rivera will be back but one year he is going to not be Mo anymore and then the Yankees will have serious trouble. I for one have never stopped appreciating the uniqueness of the past 15 years. Five World Series victories in 15 years in the modern era is like 9 in 10 years in the old days.


Sandman - 10/24/2010 at 03:02 AM

Heck of a series by Texas. Nice work...good luck to 'em. I'll be cheering them on over the National League team...


DougMacKenzie - 10/24/2010 at 07:11 AM

I still can't be-Lee-ve we're in the frickin' World Series!


dougrhon - 10/24/2010 at 07:24 AM

quote:
I still can't be-Lee-ve we're in the frickin' World Series!


Enjoy it. It doesn't happen every year. Even for the Yankees.


MundeleinHoward - 10/24/2010 at 07:47 AM

CONGRATULATIONS 2010 National League CHAMPIONS


spacemonkey - 10/24/2010 at 10:41 AM

THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT !

WOO HOO!


spacemonkey - 10/24/2010 at 10:56 AM

quote:
Heck of a series by Texas. Nice work...good luck to 'em. I'll be cheering them on over the National League team...



You dirty Commie!


WharfRat - 10/24/2010 at 04:37 PM

I still cannot get FOX due to a dispute with my cable company.

Suddenly I dont care that I wont get to see the Series...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Further proof that the best team(s) dont always win.


michaelsio - 10/24/2010 at 05:17 PM

Oh, well.


There's always next year.


michaelsio - 10/24/2010 at 05:25 PM

I'll be rooting for th Rangers this year. I want Cliff Lee to get a ring. My Phils wouldn't have been in the World Series last year if it wasn't for him.


DanB - 10/24/2010 at 07:36 PM

quote:
Oh, well.


There's always next year.


signed DanB Braves fan


alloak41 - 10/24/2010 at 07:55 PM

GO GIANTS!!


DougMacKenzie - 10/24/2010 at 08:15 PM

quote:
GO GIANTS!!


Commie.


goldtop - 10/24/2010 at 08:22 PM

quote:
I'll be rooting for th Rangers this year. I want Cliff Lee to get a ring. My Phils wouldn't have been in the World Series last year if it wasn't for him.

How about Benjie Molina he gets a winning ring no matter who wins the series. He was with the Giants long enough that they will need to give him a ring and if the Rangers win he gets one with them....


DougMacKenzie - 10/24/2010 at 08:28 PM

My wife loves Bengie Molina, ever since she said "Who's that big guy running around out there?"


dougrhon - 10/24/2010 at 09:53 PM

quote:
I still cannot get FOX due to a dispute with my cable company.

Suddenly I dont care that I wont get to see the Series...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Further proof that the best team(s) dont always win.


The best teams don't win with great frequency if by best you mean the team withthe better regular season record.


WharfRat - 10/24/2010 at 10:12 PM

quote:
"Who's that big guy running around out there?"


That was me chasing down that jackwagon AJ Burnett


Lee - 10/25/2010 at 04:35 PM

I know FOX has to hate the World Series matchup for the ratings but I think this is going to be a very good series. And San Fran or Texas will have its first Championship. Should be good!


gondicar - 10/25/2010 at 09:02 PM

quote:
I still cannot get FOX due to a dispute with my cable company.

Suddenly I dont care that I wont get to see the Series...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Further proof that the best team(s) dont always win.


Ewwww, dem grapes are a bit sour, eh?

This would have been the morning to jump, never would have seen the water coming (kidding aside, seriously cool pic of the GW)...



More pics from this morning:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/gallery/2010/10/25/photos-foggy-morning-october -25-2010/


DougMacKenzie - 10/27/2010 at 05:48 AM

Still can't believe the Texas Rangers are in the world series this year and have more wins in October than the Cowboys do. Damn, I make this claw and antlers tee shirt look GOOD!


dougrhon - 10/27/2010 at 07:11 AM

quote:
Still can't believe the Texas Rangers are in the world series this year and have more wins in October than the Cowboys do. Damn, I make this claw and antlers tee shirt look GOOD!



I will predict the Rangers in 6. But then I predicted the Yankees in six last round so I wouldn't go by me.


DougMacKenzie - 10/27/2010 at 04:49 PM

Should be a great pitching matchup tonight. This World Series stuff is exciting!


DougMacKenzie - 10/28/2010 at 02:58 PM

The Giants tagged Lee last night. They've got a scrappy team. On to game two tonight. You've got to figure the Rangers really need to win this one and avoid going down 0-2. Go Rangers!


dougrhon - 10/28/2010 at 08:32 PM

quote:
The Giants tagged Lee last night. They've got a scrappy team. On to game two tonight. You've got to figure the Rangers really need to win this one and avoid going down 0-2. Go Rangers!


Keep the faith Doug. I might point out that the 96 Yankees lost game 1 to Atlanta 13-4 behind Andy Pettitte. They won game 5 and Andy pitched an 8 inning shut out.


WharfRat - 10/28/2010 at 10:26 PM

Girardi just resigned for 3 years to manage Yanks.

Woopee.


fanfrom-71 - 10/28/2010 at 10:51 PM

quote:
Girardi just resigned for 3 years to manage Yanks.

Woopee.
Just heard that.
I knew you would be excited Chuck!


dougrhon - 10/28/2010 at 10:52 PM

quote:
Girardi just resigned for 3 years to manage Yanks.

Woopee.


You don't want the team to go back on the manager merry-go-round. There was no success then. Even if you aren't happy with all his decisions he has proven to be a competent manager and has already brought the team a championship.


WharfRat - 10/29/2010 at 12:05 AM

He is prolly the best guy out there, and I will leave it at that.


WharfRat - 10/29/2010 at 03:40 AM

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quote:
He is prolly the best guy out there, and I will leave it at that.


Buck Schowalter.


Buck has been in Baltimore since mid season.

Hope this helps


dougrhon - 10/29/2010 at 06:13 AM

By the way did he resign or re-sign? Funny how that little dash makes allt he difference


WharfRat - 10/29/2010 at 06:35 AM

Good point


gondicar - 10/29/2010 at 10:47 PM

Congrats to Tim Wakefield, the first Red Sox player to be given the Roberto Clemente Humanitarian Award.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2010/10/29/red_sox_wa kefield_wins_clemente_award/


spacemonkey - 10/30/2010 at 01:25 AM

Matt Cain baby!

Playoff ERA 0.00

McCarver is a joke, last night he said "The Giants are winning with pitching, but not theirs "

What an insult to the effort of Matt Cain.


gondicar - 10/30/2010 at 08:07 PM

McCarver is an insult to baseball in general.


spacemonkey - 11/2/2010 at 07:10 AM

THE GIANTS ARE THE CHAMPIONS !!!!


MundeleinHoward - 11/2/2010 at 07:16 AM


2010 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!


alloak41 - 11/2/2010 at 09:08 PM

I'm ready for spring training to start!


Eaglesgreen - 11/2/2010 at 10:26 PM

Congrats to the Giants - you deserve it. So, in hindsight maybe the Phillies didn't suck too bad - just lost to a team playing better ball. Generally don't like McCarver either (ever hear how pronounces Ruiz or Sanchez?) but he was dead on in suggesting pitching around Renteria just before the ball left the field for a 3-run homer. In that spot you have to go after the weaker hitter - who cares about a guy on first base!


spacemonkey - 11/2/2010 at 10:32 PM

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quote:
I'm ready for spring training to start!


I'm with you. The day after the World Series ends always is a downer to some extent. No baseball for about 5 months.


But it is time for


HOT NBA ACTION!


spacemonkey - 11/2/2010 at 11:35 PM

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I'm ready for spring training to start!


I'm with you. The day after the World Series ends always is a downer to some extent. No baseball for about 5 months.


But it is time for


HOT NBA ACTION!



oxymoron.


He called me a moron! BAN OTF!


gondicar - 11/3/2010 at 12:37 AM

quote:
I'm ready for spring training to start!


118 days, 19 hours, 21 minutes


Stephen - 11/4/2010 at 04:48 AM

Get well soon, Sparky Anderson


WharfRat - 11/4/2010 at 05:57 AM

quote:
quote:
I'm ready for spring training to start!


118 days, 19 hours, 21 minutes



woohoo


WharfRat - 11/4/2010 at 05:57 AM

quote:
Get well soon, Sparky Anderson


Doubtful


Lee - 11/4/2010 at 11:09 PM






fanfrom-71 - 11/4/2010 at 11:09 PM

What a team. Some GREAT moments in baseball for sure!
Ride in peace Captain Hook.





WharfRat - 11/5/2010 at 05:54 AM

Another great one gone


Stephen - 11/5/2010 at 03:59 PM

Clyde King too -- former Yankee manager -- not as prolific as Sparky but still a baseball lifer

he was one of three NY managers in 1982


Stephen - 11/6/2010 at 12:15 AM

In one of the great World Series involving numerous Hall of Fame players & managers, Dick Williams & the Oakland A's beat Sparky's Big Red Machine in the 1972 World Series

Then Sparky, now in the AL, turned the tables a dozen years later, piloting the AL Tigers to the World Series over Williams' San Diego Padres

two of the greats -- trying to find Williams comments on Sparky's passing


alloak41 - 11/10/2010 at 03:07 PM

Pitchers and catchers -- 98 days


alloak41 - 11/10/2010 at 08:28 PM

I read today where Selig wants to add another wild card team into the playoff format, five teams total in each league. The two wild card teams would play a best of 5 to determine who advances. (this must mean the public is clamoring for it.)


Lee - 11/10/2010 at 10:04 PM

quote:
I read today where Selig wants to add another wild card team into the playoff format, five teams total in each league. The two wild card teams would play a best of 5 to determine who advances. (this must mean the public is clamoring for it.)





Yeah, I heard about this a couple of weeks ago. I don't like it. I would rather they make the first round series best of seven and leave it at that.


michaelsio - 11/11/2010 at 12:15 AM

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quote:
I read today where Selig wants to add another wild card team into the playoff format, five teams total in each league. The two wild card teams would play a best of 5 to determine who advances. (this must mean the public is clamoring for it.)





Yeah, I heard about this a couple of weeks ago. I don't like it. I would rather they make the first round series best of seven and leave it at that.


I heard it's supposed to be a one game playoff between the two wild card teams. Not exactly fair. Take this year for example in the AL. The Yankees would have had to play the Red Sox for a winner take all game when Boston finished 6 games behind NY.

Then again, maybe that's what Bud is thinking. With the Rays ascending, this would keep Boston and NY in the playoffs.

[Edited on 11/11/2010 by michaelsio]


IPowrie - 11/11/2010 at 10:39 PM

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quote:
I read today where Selig wants to add another wild card team into the playoff format, five teams total in each league. The two wild card teams would play a best of 5 to determine who advances. (this must mean the public is clamoring for it.)




IMO, that's a dumb idea. It means 6 teams will not play for a week while the first series is played. Historically, teams that have a layoff, like they sweep the LCS, generally don't do well in the next series.

And when will the WS end? Thanksgiving?


Agreed keep baseball playoffs the way they are now


IPowrie - 11/11/2010 at 10:41 PM

I need some Yankee fans opinions will the next five or so years see them be a middle of the road team?


IPowrie - 11/11/2010 at 10:49 PM

For the Tigers I'd like to see them get Carl Crawford if not sign back Ordonez for a year or two. Could use a veteran starting pitcher maybe Carl Pavano to go with the rest of the rotation. Maybe they will go big but I would like them to play some of the younger players because building through the draft and not through just free agency has been proven to work


WharfRat - 11/12/2010 at 12:33 AM

quote:
I need some Yankee fans opinions will the next five or so years see them be a middle of the road team?


No.

Hope this helps.


phillybob - 11/12/2010 at 01:05 AM

yes because they will keep aging players that they really should just let go.


IPowrie - 11/12/2010 at 03:19 AM

quote:
yes because they will keep aging players that they really should just let go.


Thats what Im getting at that team is old by baseball standards and we all know that they go after veteran talent and tend not to let there own players develop which may hurt them in the long run


IPowrie - 11/12/2010 at 03:35 AM

quote:
quote:
I need some Yankee fans opinions will the next five or so years see them be a middle of the road team?


No.

Hope this helps.


Why?


WharfRat - 11/12/2010 at 12:00 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I need some Yankee fans opinions will the next five or so years see them be a middle of the road team?


No.

Hope this helps.


Why?


Robinson Cano
Mark Texiera
Brett Gardner
CC Sabathia
Jesus Montero
Curtis Ganderson

( all under 30, some waaay under 30)

Hope this helps


Bhawk - 11/12/2010 at 04:55 PM

quote:
I need some Yankee fans opinions will the next five or so years see them be a middle of the road team?


We can only hope.


alloak41 - 11/12/2010 at 04:56 PM

quote:
The Yankees are going to have an old shortstop for the next few years, and their pitching isn't that good.


Bad combination.


Bhawk - 11/12/2010 at 04:56 PM

quote:
quote:
I read today where Selig wants to add another wild card team into the playoff format, five teams total in each league. The two wild card teams would play a best of 5 to determine who advances. (this must mean the public is clamoring for it.)




IMO, that's a dumb idea. It means 6 teams will not play for a week while the first series is played. Historically, teams that have a layoff, like they sweep the LCS, generally don't do well in the next series.

And when will the WS end? Thanksgiving?


They should shorten the regular season and add more teams to the playoffs, IMO.


Bhawk - 11/12/2010 at 05:12 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
I read today where Selig wants to add another wild card team into the playoff format, five teams total in each league. The two wild card teams would play a best of 5 to determine who advances. (this must mean the public is clamoring for it.)




IMO, that's a dumb idea. It means 6 teams will not play for a week while the first series is played. Historically, teams that have a layoff, like they sweep the LCS, generally don't do well in the next series.

And when will the WS end? Thanksgiving?


They should shorten the regular season and add more teams to the playoffs, IMO.


They could have 28 teams in the playoffs and the Royals wouldn't make it.


Oh wait, they traded DeJesus for a couple of minor league pitchers. They'll be OK.


Wasn't really thinking about the Royals. The baseball playoffs only generate excitement (and TV ratings) in cities that the teams are from and baseball purists wherever they may be. Opening up the playoffs more adds more interest, IMO. I've never understood the extreme resistance to change in baseball. Add more playoff teams and add a camera looking straight up the foul pole already...


alloak41 - 11/12/2010 at 05:18 PM

Make pitchers hit in the AL.


Bhawk - 11/12/2010 at 05:21 PM

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I read today where Selig wants to add another wild card team into the playoff format, five teams total in each league. The two wild card teams would play a best of 5 to determine who advances. (this must mean the public is clamoring for it.)




IMO, that's a dumb idea. It means 6 teams will not play for a week while the first series is played. Historically, teams that have a layoff, like they sweep the LCS, generally don't do well in the next series.

And when will the WS end? Thanksgiving?


They should shorten the regular season and add more teams to the playoffs, IMO.


They could have 28 teams in the playoffs and the Royals wouldn't make it.


Oh wait, they traded DeJesus for a couple of minor league pitchers. They'll be OK.


Wasn't really thinking about the Royals. The baseball playoffs only generate excitement (and TV ratings) in cities that the teams are from and baseball purists wherever they may be. Opening up the playoffs more adds more interest, IMO. I've never understood the extreme resistance to change in baseball. Add more playoff teams and add a camera looking straight up the foul pole already...


I have a different opinion. I don't like watered down playoffs. They make the regular season less important. I prefer to have the best teams only in the postseason. It would suck to have a mediocre team sneak in and get hot and win it all.


The regular season, all 162 games of it, is irrelevant from a playoff standpoint for well over one-quarter of MLB teams by May 1st anyway.

I doubt it will change, just an opinion. Adding more teams creates excitement in my eyes, but we all have different eyes!


alloak41 - 11/12/2010 at 05:53 PM

I see where Jeter won another Gold Glove. Alexei Ramirez had 499 assists to Jeter's 365. Ramirez made 20 errors to Jeter's six, but threw out 134 more runners. Alexei got robbed.


WharfRat - 11/13/2010 at 12:21 AM

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I need some Yankee fans opinions will the next five or so years see them be a middle of the road team?


No.

Hope this helps.


Why?


Robinson Cano
Mark Texiera
Brett Gardner
CC Sabathia
Jesus Montero
Curtis Ganderson

( all under 30, some waaay under 30)

Hope this helps


Sabathia is 30, so is Texeira. Granderson can't hit lefties and he'll be 30 before Opening Day. The Yankees are going to have an old shortstop for the next few years, and their pitching isn't that good.

Hope this helps.


30 is old?
Sounds like thier prime years to me


Stephen - 11/13/2010 at 01:52 AM

Twins' Morneau wants Target Field adjustments

headline on espn.com

Justin Morneau is a great player, but the quintessential it's-all-about-me ballplayer -- the guy has missed tons of time including the last two stetch runs when it looked to me like he mae no effort at all to help his team, fearing he might get hurt -- now he's talking all this crap, when he's barely even played in Target Field

Justin should concentrate on making an effort to earn his paycheck --

the end of the story said "he says he hasn't fully recovered from his concussion, but says he's feeling better"

we'll never see a full season out of Justin -- he's too concerned about getting hurt -- so where does he get off talking about renovations to the field...


WharfRat - 11/13/2010 at 02:14 AM

The Twinkies had the best home record in baseball I believe.

I am thinking Justin's request will be denied


Stephen - 11/13/2010 at 03:37 AM

Yes they did, the article said that -- best home record, Twins

How can he say something like that and not think he'll lose respect -- he should be saying, "I'll walk through fire to be ready next season -- we'll be better than ever and so will I be."


WharfRat - 11/13/2010 at 03:41 AM

Exactly.


Stephen - 11/13/2010 at 03:48 PM

So you make it more friendly for one type of hitter, then another type says the fences are too far away, yadada -- a ballpark is a ballpark, they didn't build Target Field to be baseball-unfriendly, as their home record/attendance showed -- it can't be perfectly custom-built to this or that players' likes/dislikes --

all I'm sayin' is -- will we ever see the fire that made Justin the 2006 MVP & playing like that this year -- that's what the injury seemed to knock out of him -- his desire to play -- to not even be there for pinch-hitting in the playoffs...& it's not like he was knocked cold or anything on the injury, he walked off the field & no big deal was made of it

the guy is great, but he missed the 2009 stretch run too with what he claimed was a "bad back" & it hurt the Twins, just like this year

get well soon bro


Stephen - 11/14/2010 at 11:56 PM

The thing is, his fans wanna say, "You know Justin wants to be out there..."
but the injury seemed so minor at the time, and to not give his team a lift by making himself available for the playoffs, even if it was for spot pinch-hitting duty -- plus it's not like he's had multiple concussions like McMahon & those guys, it was his first one...
he must have devastating headaches and severe dizzy spells -- but it's just that that hasn't been reported...
I mean what could happen? He goes up there, the crowd is roaring -- but that still wouldn't prevent a headache from coming along I suppose...
he's one heckuva player, no doubt about that -- hopefully he can come back

[Edited on 11/15/2010 by Stephen]


michaelsio - 11/18/2010 at 08:38 PM

Congrats to Felix Hernandez for winning the AL Cy Young!

Looks like the voters do look at ALL the stats, not just W-L.


WharfRat - 11/19/2010 at 02:42 AM

Well deserved!

Can they please trade him to the NL now?


alloak41 - 11/19/2010 at 04:19 PM

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Congrats to Felix Hernandez for winning the AL Cy Young!

Looks like the voters do look at ALL the stats, not just W-L.


Indeed, the voters got it right.


alloak41 - 11/23/2010 at 04:37 AM

Terry Collins?


gondicar - 11/23/2010 at 04:14 PM

This is not good, not good at all. Victor Martinez has agreed to a 4-year, $50 million deal with the Detroit Tigers. Damn. Apparantly Theo thinks that Salty is the man...hopefully he has some other cards up his sleeve. F&@k!


gondicar - 11/23/2010 at 04:54 PM

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This is not good, not good at all. Victor Martinez has agreed to a 4-year, $50 million deal with the Detroit Tigers. Damn. Apparantly Theo thinks that Salty is the man...hopefully he has some other cards up his sleeve. F&@k!


Salty has tried and failed in both Atlanta and Texas. Well, there is always Tek. Just sayin...


Hence, the curse words.


DougMacKenzie - 11/23/2010 at 08:21 PM

Josh Hamilton is the AL MVP. Congrats to him. Great story of recovery and redemption.


WharfRat - 11/24/2010 at 12:20 AM

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Josh Hamilton is the AL MVP. Congrats to him. Great story of recovery and redemption.


Indeed! Well deserved..


gondicar - 11/24/2010 at 01:16 AM

Cashman: Jeter should test the market if he doesn’t like our offer



[Edited on 11/24/2010 by gondicar]


WharfRat - 11/24/2010 at 03:33 AM

Scott.. That is NOT funny


WharfRat - 11/24/2010 at 03:35 AM

Part if me is petrified that Derek will leave.

But the reality is..like John is saying.. No one is going to pay him the $$$ the Yanks will.


WharfRat - 11/24/2010 at 03:41 AM

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Scott.. That is NOT funny


Gon't worry, Chuck. They have Scutaro, who needs Jeter?

However, the Sox are in a market for a catcher...


I see that.. How the hell did they let V-mart go??
Not that I am complaining


gondicar - 11/24/2010 at 10:50 AM

Personally I don't think Jeter or Rivera are going anywhere, but that pic of Jeter wearing a Sox uni is priceless.


WharfRat - 11/24/2010 at 12:30 PM

Is not.


gondicar - 11/24/2010 at 01:07 PM

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michaelsio - 11/24/2010 at 01:46 PM

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Personally I don't think Jeter or Rivera are going anywhere, but that pic of Jeter wearing a Sox uni is priceless.


Maybe he'll use Nomar's number.


Stephen - 11/24/2010 at 03:21 PM

"We've made guys very, very rich -- some are wealthier than the owners"

Go Little George!! -- I love that quote -- and the fact is, he's right --- I hate the Yankees but Geo. II deserves credit for telling it like it is -- it goes way back in the family, to Davey Collins, Paul Blair, Catfish Hunter, Ken Holtzman, Luis Tiant etc., right on through to the huge A-Rod/Clemens & on & on, contracts -- all set up for life thanks to the NYY

but in fairness -- so are all big league ballplayers -- set up for life financially

[Edited on 11/27/2010 by Stephen]


Lee - 12/1/2010 at 01:26 PM

Looks like the Rangers are gonna hang onto Cliff Lee.


gondicar - 12/1/2010 at 01:35 PM

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That would be fine with me, but I wouldn't start counting those chickens yet...

Rangers making five-year offer to Cliff Lee?
By Mark J. Miller

Derek Jeter(notes) may want a long-term contract worth $23 million a year from the New York Yankees, but Cliff Lee(notes) may be the one to actually get that kind of deal.

The New York Post reports that Texas Rangers execs are about to make a five-year offer to the most-coveted free agent on the market. The Yankees are thought to have already made an offer for five or six seasons worth of work, the paper reports.

"The Rangers are hoping the absence of a state tax in Texas and the proximity of Lee's Arkansas home to Dallas will be strong enough selling points to keep Lee with the Rangers," the Post reports.

However, "several club officials" are thinking the money will be too good in NYC for Lee to turn it down, the paper reports.


michaelsio - 12/1/2010 at 01:35 PM

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As long as the Yankees don't get him.


Lee - 12/1/2010 at 02:03 PM

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As long as the Yankees don't get him.




Can the Lions get him?









Oops, I meant the Tigers.


gondicar - 12/1/2010 at 02:14 PM

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/01/the-yankees-may-go-up-to-51-mi llion-on-jeter-add-a-fourth-year-option/related/

The Yankees may go up to $51 million on Jeter; add a fourth year option
Craig Calcaterra
Dec 1, 2010, 8:45 AM EST

As was reported last night, Jeter and the Yankees spoke again yesterday and things went well.

Afterwards, Jon Heyman reported that, while there is nothing imminent, the Yankees may be willing to go up to $51 million over three years and to possibly add a fourth year in the form of an option. Moshe Mandel of TYU had received similar word from a source prior to Heyman’s report.

All of which fits nicely into the scenario I outlined yesterday: a negotiation more geared towards giving Jeter a face-saving way to accept a contract much closer to that which the Yankees were offering than it is to his reported demands. $51 million is still high in my mind, but when the gulf between the sides was $65 million or more, $6 million is not exactly a generous concession by the Yankees. A fourth year in and of itself is not smart, but if it’s an option of some kind — especially if it’s a team option or a vesting option — it’s far preferable, and ultimately not much for the team to give up.

But however this shakes out, a face-to-face meeting followed by a report reflecting calmness and (so far) no incendiary leaks to the media suggests that Jeter and the Yankees have started fresh, with an eye towards restoring sanity to the process.

And that’s good news for everyone except the bloggers.


alloak41 - 12/1/2010 at 04:36 PM

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This is funny. The Yankees are bidding against themselves so they don't hurt a players feelings. This would not have happened if George was still alive and running the show.


How would those salary talks go when Jeter comes in with his 2010 stats --
.270/10/67?


alloak41 - 12/1/2010 at 04:41 PM

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This is funny. The Yankees are bidding against themselves so they don't hurt a players feelings. This would not have happened if George was still alive and running the show.


How would those salary talks go when Jeter comes in with his 2010 stats --
.270/10/67?


That's already happened.


Not with the old man.


dougrhon - 12/1/2010 at 05:12 PM

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This is funny. The Yankees are bidding against themselves so they don't hurt a players feelings. This would not have happened if George was still alive and running the show.


The Yankees have always played hard ball with their own free agents.


dougrhon - 12/1/2010 at 05:13 PM

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This is funny. The Yankees are bidding against themselves so they don't hurt a players feelings. This would not have happened if George was still alive and running the show.


How would those salary talks go when Jeter comes in with his 2010 stats --
.270/10/67?


That's already happened.


Not with the old man.


I believe they would be going similarly except there would be a few really juicy George quotes along the lines of "he spit the bit." Otherwise in terms of the money it would be the same. This is how the organization has always handled its own internal free agents.


WharfRat - 12/1/2010 at 09:30 PM

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This is funny. The Yankees are bidding against themselves so they don't hurt a players feelings. This would not have happened if George was still alive and running the show.


Would too.

Jason Giambi for example.


michaelsio - 12/1/2010 at 11:28 PM

Not that the Yankees are lacking in $, but the better spend is Cliff Lee. If the Yankees plead poverty from signing Lee as the reason they didn't sign Jeter.....


Whoo boy!


dougrhon - 12/2/2010 at 01:22 AM

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Not that the Yankees are lacking in $, but the better spend is Cliff Lee. If the Yankees plead poverty from signing Lee as the reason they didn't sign Jeter.....


Whoo boy!


Folks they are signing Jeter. It's not even a serious thought that they will not.


Lee - 12/3/2010 at 01:00 PM

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Not that the Yankees are lacking in $, but the better spend is Cliff Lee. If the Yankees plead poverty from signing Lee as the reason they didn't sign Jeter.....


Whoo boy!


Folks they are signing Jeter. It's not even a serious thought that they will not.



Agreed. Not sure why the sides are arguing about money though. How much is enough?


alloak41 - 12/3/2010 at 02:00 PM

RIP Ron Santo


MundeleinHoward - 12/3/2010 at 02:18 PM

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RIP Ron Santo

X2

I'm a White Sox fan, but I loved Santo, he always gave it his all, he BELONGS in the Hall Of Fame!!


dougrhon - 12/3/2010 at 02:20 PM

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Not that the Yankees are lacking in $, but the better spend is Cliff Lee. If the Yankees plead poverty from signing Lee as the reason they didn't sign Jeter.....


Whoo boy!


Folks they are signing Jeter. It's not even a serious thought that they will not.



Agreed. Not sure why the sides are arguing about money though. How much is enough?


Whatever they end up agreeing on.


Stephen - 12/3/2010 at 03:32 PM

RIP Ron Santo -- sorry to hear this -- he was a great one at third base (had his card), w/Ernie Banks & Billy Williams on those teams


Stephen - 12/3/2010 at 03:52 PM

Red Sox captain Jason Varitek, 38, who's spent his entire career in Boston, signs a one year, $2M contract...

Yankees captain Derek Jeter, 36, who's spent his entire career in NY, is holding out for a big score on George's kitty...

pretty opposite captaincies IMO -- the worst thing is that Jr. blinked, gave in to his demands and is increasing his original offer of three years/$45M -- money that Jeter knows he would never get elsewhere -- but he still wants more, as his skills decline --

Derek Jeter is a great great ballplayer & exemplary "role model" off the field -- a sure-fire first-ballot HOFer -- however, like Mariano he'll probably receive "icon" pay -- what he's meant to the franchise etc -- that's what Derek is demanding

both these players and their families are secure well into the future because of baseball -- Varitek appreciates that, Jeter does not


gondicar - 12/3/2010 at 04:27 PM

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Derek Jeter is a great great ballplayer & exemplary "role model" off the field -- a sure-fire first-ballot HOFer -- however, like Mariano he'll probably receive "icon" pay -- what he's meant to the franchise etc -- that's what Derek is demanding


Except that Mo is a freak of nature as his skills have shown no sign of degrading. Not sure if any other closers are getting $15m/yr, but reports are that at least one if not two other teams offered more money and he gave the yanks a hometown "discount" to finish out his career there. Mo is still the best closer in the game (as much as it pains me to say that as a Sox fan), and I don't think you can say Jeter is the best SS in the game.


[Edited on 12/3/2010 by gondicar]


dougrhon - 12/3/2010 at 05:18 PM

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Red Sox captain Jason Varitek, 38, who's spent his entire career in Boston, signs a one year, $2M contract...

Yankees captain Derek Jeter, 36, who's spent his entire career in NY, is holding out for a big score on George's kitty...

pretty opposite captaincies IMO -- the worst thing is that Jr. blinked, gave in to his demands and is increasing his original offer of three years/$45M -- money that Jeter knows he would never get elsewhere -- but he still wants more, as his skills decline --

Derek Jeter is a great great ballplayer & exemplary "role model" off the field -- a sure-fire first-ballot HOFer -- however, like Mariano he'll probably receive "icon" pay -- what he's meant to the franchise etc -- that's what Derek is demanding

both these players and their families are secure well into the future because of baseball -- Varitek appreciates that, Jeter does not


I will not comment on Jeter but Rivera is surely not getting "icon pay" As of last seasons he is pretty much as good as he ever was and has shown no decline at all. And he only signed a two year deal.


dougrhon - 12/3/2010 at 05:21 PM

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Derek Jeter is a great great ballplayer & exemplary "role model" off the field -- a sure-fire first-ballot HOFer -- however, like Mariano he'll probably receive "icon" pay -- what he's meant to the franchise etc -- that's what Derek is demanding


Except that Mo is a freak of nature as his skills have shown no sign of degrading. Not sure if any other closers are getting $15m/yr, but reports are that at least one if not two other teams offered more money and he gave the yanks a hometown "discount" to finish out his career there. Mo is still the best closer in the game (as much as it pains me to say that as a Sox fan), and I don't think you can say Jeter is the best SS in the game.


[Edited on 12/3/2010 by gondicar]


You beat me to it. Mo is actually much more important and much more irreplaceable. Jeter was a key figure in four world series titles in five years and is a first ballot hall of famer. I think he stands a good chance of having a serious rebound season this year. But it is true the Yankees are giving him MUCH MORE than his market value at this point. If he wanted to make the big score he should have signed a shorter contract ten years ago. Then he would have hit free agency in his prime. Nevertheless I don;t think anyone should be "grateful" nor that anyone is greedy. He is trying to get what he can. He has not made a public statement though his agent foolishly has.


Sang - 12/3/2010 at 08:55 PM

Sox sign Adam Dunn, bring back AJ, and send Linebrink to Atlanta....

If they bring back Konerko they could be really good....


WharfRat - 12/4/2010 at 01:39 AM

Looks like Jeter is a good as signed.. As is Mo.
And I am assuming they are offering Jeter more years, not more money.

The Sawx offered Mo a deal and were going to dump Paplebon?


DanB - 12/4/2010 at 03:37 AM

The BoSox are in talks w/ the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez

potential lineup

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS


WharfRat - 12/4/2010 at 03:45 AM

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The BoSox are in talks w/ the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez

potential lineup

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS



CC can shut em all down


dougrhon - 12/4/2010 at 06:21 AM

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The BoSox are in talks w/ the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez

potential lineup

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS



CC can shut em all down


Yeah, but the rest of the Yankee staff would get blasted by that lineup.


Even Cliff Lee


MikeBremer - 12/4/2010 at 12:34 PM

troll bump, back to the top...


MundeleinHoward - 12/4/2010 at 05:01 PM

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If they bring back Konerko they could be really good....


They need to bring back Konerko so Dunn never has to take the field.

I agree with that, Paul @ 1st, Dunn @ DH


gondicar - 12/4/2010 at 05:46 PM


dougrhon - 12/4/2010 at 11:17 PM

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The BoSox are in talks w/ the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez

potential lineup

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS



CC can shut em all down


Yeah, but the rest of the Yankee staff would get blasted by that lineup.


Even Cliff Lee


Lee wants to stay in Texas.


Source?


Lee - 12/5/2010 at 01:14 PM

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Lee wants to stay in Texas.



No, I like it here in Chicago.


michaelsio - 12/5/2010 at 05:04 PM

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No, I like it here in Chicago.


LOL


dougrhon - 12/5/2010 at 08:55 PM

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The BoSox are in talks w/ the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez

potential lineup

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS



CC can shut em all down


Yeah, but the rest of the Yankee staff would get blasted by that lineup.


Even Cliff Lee


Lee wants to stay in Texas.


Source?


Cliff Lee.


Haven't seen that and I would imagine the New York media would be all over it. We will see what happens.


gondicar - 12/5/2010 at 09:11 PM

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The BoSox are in talks w/ the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez

potential lineup

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS



CC can shut em all down


Yeah, but the rest of the Yankee staff would get blasted by that lineup.


Even Cliff Lee


Lee wants to stay in Texas.


Source?


Cliff Lee.


We know his wife prefers Texas, that might be even more important.


dougrhon - 12/6/2010 at 12:42 AM

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Jayson Werth has signed with the Nationals. 7 years, $126 million. The Nationals? Who thinks he will spend more than a year or two there before he is traded? I think someone else will pay him most of that money.


Jayson Werth is not WERTH that kind of dough.


WharfRat - 12/6/2010 at 03:06 AM

Guess thats why they let Dunn walk..

I dont see Werth finishing that contract in DC either.


gondicar - 12/6/2010 at 01:19 PM

The AG trade is a done deal. Phew.

Yanks get Jeter deal done for the years they wanted and all it cost them was a few million more YES bucks, BFD. I guess Derek drank the reality potion after all.

Will the Yanks sign Lee before the end of the winter meetings? The Crawford watch should be interesting, the Werth deal certainly ups the ante on him.

Is there a football game tonight?


emr - 12/6/2010 at 01:47 PM

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Jayson Werth has signed with the Nationals. 7 years, $126 million. The Nationals? Who thinks he will spend more than a year or two there before he is traded? I think someone else will pay him most of that money.


Jayson Werth is not WERTH that kind of dough.


Mets GM Sandy Alderson said that he thought they were supposed to be reducing the deficit in Washington.


If Strausburg didn't go down it would almost have made sense to overpay to get the team respectable. Under the circumstances this is nuts. Good B+ player; no superstar


Lee - 12/6/2010 at 01:59 PM

No kidding. I about spit out my coffee when I read about the signing this morning. And they'll be paying him about $18M a year when he's like 38 or 39. Nuts....


dougrhon - 12/6/2010 at 05:27 PM

The Yankees need to get an answer from Andy Pettitte who still performed at an extremely high level last year. Either way they will go all out to sign Lee. If Pettitte retires they need Lee or the rotation will really be weak. If Pettitte returns they probably have the best rotation in baseball with Lee on board.


gondicar - 12/6/2010 at 07:22 PM





Peachypetewi - 12/6/2010 at 08:38 PM

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Sox sign Adam Dunn, bring back AJ, and send Linebrink to Atlanta....

If they bring back Konerko they could be really good....


They need to bring back Konerko so Dunn never has to take the field.

I agree with that, Paul @ 1st, Dunn @ DH


I was at the Nationals- Brewers game when Dunn hit the ball out of Miller Park in Right Center field. The HR distance displayed on the scoreboard said 545 feet. Not sure how they estimated that or who might have seen it land. He could hit 45-50 in the Cell with the short right field fence there.


Lee - 12/8/2010 at 06:30 PM

Nice day to be a White Sox fan signing 1B Paul Konerko for three years.


Very unhappy with the Flubs signing 1B Carlos Pena and his .198 batting average.


Sang - 12/8/2010 at 06:48 PM

All with nobody on base..................


Peachypetewi - 12/8/2010 at 06:52 PM

That new Ricketts ownership honeymoon sure didn't last very long.


Lee - 12/8/2010 at 07:06 PM

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Very unhappy with the Flubs signing 1B Carlos Pena and his .198 batting average.


Pena will hit 50 home runs in Wrigley.



That was likely the thought but ya never know with the wind there off the lake. You can be sitting behind the plate and have the wind blowing in your face.

At least they got another good defensive 1B.


DougMacKenzie - 12/9/2010 at 01:53 AM

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The Yankees need to get an answer from Andy Pettitte who still performed at an extremely high level last year. Either way they will go all out to sign Lee. If Pettitte retires they need Lee or the rotation will really be weak. If Pettitte returns they probably have the best rotation in baseball with Lee on board.


Lee needs to stay in Texas!


WharfRat - 12/9/2010 at 02:45 AM

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The Yankees need to get an answer from Andy Pettitte who still performed at an extremely high level last year. Either way they will go all out to sign Lee. If Pettitte retires they need Lee or the rotation will really be weak. If Pettitte returns they probably have the best rotation in baseball with Lee on board.


Lee needs to stay in Texas!


Does not


WharfRat - 12/9/2010 at 02:46 AM

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Very unhappy with the Flubs signing 1B Carlos Pena and his .198 batting average


Thats a fluke, IMO..

Trust me, this dude is a BEAST.

I am SO freaking happy he is out of TB.. he used to kill the Yanks.
Maybe he can bring Evan Longoria with him?


WharfRat - 12/9/2010 at 03:27 AM

I only saw him when TB played the Yanks.


gondicar - 12/9/2010 at 10:55 AM

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Carl Crawford has signed with Boston. 7 years, $142 million.


Very nice news to wake up to this morning!

Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Gonzalez 1B
Youk 3B
Papi DH
Drew RF
Crawford LF
Scuturo SS
Salty C

The order may change a bit, but if they can stay healthy LOOK OUT!


WharfRat - 12/9/2010 at 01:51 PM

I think I am gonna be sick.


gondicar - 12/9/2010 at 01:54 PM

How's this for a lineup?

Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Crawford LF
Gonzalez 1B
Youkilis 3B
Ortiz DH
Drew RF
Scutaro SS
Saltalamacchia C

The bench shapes up to be Cameron, Lowrie, Varitek and either Darnell McDonald or another infielder.

The Sox are a bit too left-handed. But if you're going to tilt one way, better to tilt that way with superstars like Crawford and Gonzalez. Plus Cameron can sub for Drew and Ortiz and get plenty of at-bats.

If the Sox were looking for the kind of team that will boost the NESN ratings, they have it. Crawford may be the most exciting player in baseball, a guy who has incredible speed, a Gold Glove in left and last season had 62 extra-base hits. Then you have Gonzalez, a hitter with power to all fields who might hit 40 home runs next season with how well he drives the ball the other way.

Crawford is perhaps the best example of how baseball teams need to built in the post-steroid era, with versatility, athleticism, speed and defense. He has never hit 20 home runs in a single season but the Red Sox obviously feel he was the player who could put them over the top.

Now the Yankees must counter this move. Cliff Lee is a happy man tonight, knowing there is no acceptable fallback position for the Yankees or Rangers. They must have him now and the bidding could skyrocket. This too benefits the Red Sox given the risks to signing a pitcher to a long-term deal.

It certainly sets up a fun summer in the AL East.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/12/the _red_sox_mak.html


WharfRat - 12/9/2010 at 03:04 PM

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I think I am gonna be sick.


dougrhon - 12/9/2010 at 05:29 PM

The Yankees upped the offer to Lee to seven years. Word is that he will go for the biggest payday period. The Yankees have signalled that they will not lose him over money.


Lee - 12/10/2010 at 02:05 PM

Today is Ron Santo's funeral. After the funeral there will be a procession from downtown north to end at Wrigley Field. A fitting tribute.


Stephen - 12/10/2010 at 04:08 PM

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The Yankees upped the offer to Lee to seven years. Word is that he will go for the biggest payday period. The Yankees have signalled that they will not lose him over money.


Their MO from the day George took ownership in 1973

Lee will just sit back and watch the bidding war, then go with NY -- they'll be offering more money, plus you know Jr. is smarting over the Sox Crawford signing ... "the Yankees will not be outspent"

it's a little sickening, but again, baseball the way it's been for a long time now...still a great game between the lines

[Edited on 12/10/2010 by Stephen]


gondicar - 12/10/2010 at 07:47 PM

You know who must be thrilled the Red Sox landed Carl Crawford? Jason Varitek.

Crawford has stolen 35 consecutive stolen bases against the Red Sox, the longest streak by a player since Vince Coleman swiped 57 in a row against the Mets from 1985-90. The last time Crawford was caught stealing by the Red Sox was on Sept. 21, 2005 when Tim Wakefield caught him leaning.

You have to go back to 2004 for the last time a catcher threw him out. That was Varitek.

If you can't beat him, sign him.


gondicar - 12/11/2010 at 03:50 PM


emr - 12/11/2010 at 07:25 PM

Looking less likely that Lee will join the Yankees. He may have leveraged enough from Texas to stay where he was happy.

And, unless baseball comes up with a better salary cap this is all going to stop being fun.

And, btw, even in the richest cities we all help pay for a good part of this in assistance, tax breaks, etc.


dougrhon - 12/11/2010 at 08:52 PM

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Looking less likely that Lee will join the Yankees. He may have leveraged enough from Texas to stay where he was happy.

And, unless baseball comes up with a better salary cap this is all going to stop being fun.

And, btw, even in the richest cities we all help pay for a good part of this in assistance, tax breaks, etc.


If the Yankees do not get Lee they have serious trouble all of a sudden.


emr - 12/11/2010 at 09:13 PM

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Looking less likely that Lee will join the Yankees. He may have leveraged enough from Texas to stay where he was happy.

And, unless baseball comes up with a better salary cap this is all going to stop being fun.

And, btw, even in the richest cities we all help pay for a good part of this in assistance, tax breaks, etc.


If the Yankees do not get Lee they have serious trouble all of a sudden.


The Arod contract (and I said it then) may be their undoing yet. Posada's deal was insane. Sabathia waas a good pick up but at over 300lbs I think the knee is a harbinger of things to come. I hope they let Montiero have his shot rather than picking up (?is it Martin?) to catch. You need some young blood homegrown to mix it up.


WharfRat - 12/12/2010 at 01:44 AM

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quote:
Looking less likely that Lee will join the Yankees. He may have leveraged enough from Texas to stay where he was happy.

And, unless baseball comes up with a better salary cap this is all going to stop being fun.

And, btw, even in the richest cities we all help pay for a good part of this in assistance, tax breaks, etc.


If the Yankees do not get Lee they have serious trouble all of a sudden.


Agreed.
I have been hearing whispers outta KC about them moving Grienkie though.
( Sorry Jerry)


alloak41 - 12/12/2010 at 02:14 AM

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Looking less likely that Lee will join the Yankees. He may have leveraged enough from Texas to stay where he was happy.

And, unless baseball comes up with a better salary cap this is all going to stop being fun.

And, btw, even in the richest cities we all help pay for a good part of this in assistance, tax breaks, etc.


If the Yankees do not get Lee they have serious trouble all of a sudden.


Agreed.
I have been hearing whispers outta KC about them moving Grienkie though.
( Sorry Jerry)


The Bronx might not be the ideal place for somebody with an anxiety problem. Zach could come unhinged in that atmosphere.


WharfRat - 12/12/2010 at 03:21 AM

Forgot about that

Yea, that could be a problem.


DanB - 12/12/2010 at 02:14 PM

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quote:
quote:
Looking less likely that Lee will join the Yankees. He may have leveraged enough from Texas to stay where he was happy.

And, unless baseball comes up with a better salary cap this is all going to stop being fun.

And, btw, even in the richest cities we all help pay for a good part of this in assistance, tax breaks, etc.


If the Yankees do not get Lee they have serious trouble all of a sudden.


Agreed.
I have been hearing whispers outta KC about them moving Grienkie though.
( Sorry Jerry)


The Braves are showing some interest.

Also Melky Cabrera and Jeff Francouer have signed with the Braves AAAA farm team in KC.


DanB - 12/12/2010 at 02:17 PM

OUCH!!!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/540729-royals-add-mediocre-outfielders-i n-melky-carbrera-and-jeff-francoeur?source=rss_teams_Kansas_City_Royals

Kansas City Royals Add Mediocre Outfielders in Melky Cabrera and Jeff Francoeur
By
Adam Bernacchio

For those Kansas City Royal fans who thought the last 15 years were the worst, wait until they get a load of next year. The Royals might have the best farm system in baseball and are gearing up for 2013, but they are officially in bottom-out mode in 2011.

The team GM Dayton Moore is going to field in 2011 will be the worst team in baseball. Outside of Zack Greinke, who will most likely get traded, and Billy Butler and Joakim Soria, this team has zero talent on their roster.

And their recent acquisitions haven’t helped the situation either.

This week, the Royals signed outfielders Jeff Francoeur ($2.5 million) and Melky Cabrera ($1.25 million) to one-year contracts. To sign one free-agent scrub outfielder, who doesn’t walk is tough, but to sign two of them? Well, that’s the equivalent to Chinese water torture.

Both Francoeur and Cabrera are fourth and fifth outfielders on most teams, but will be everyday players with the Royals. Not only will they be everyday players with the Royals, but looking at their depth chart, I could see Francoeur batting in the middle of their lineup.

That’s how bad this team will be in 2011.

Here is their—or I should say my—projected lineup for 2011:

1. Getz, 2B

2. Aviles, 3B

3. Butler, DH

4. Francoeur, RF

5. Ka’aihue, 1B

6. Gordon, LF

7. Cabrera, CF

8. Kendall, C

9. Betancourt, SS

I just threw up in my mouth as I typed out this lineup. I have seen more talent at a strip club in Milwaukee on a Tuesday night than there is in this mess of a lineup.

And don’t get me started on Cabrera. I was quite pleased when he was exposed as a fraud in Atlanta this season. Nothing angered me more than New York Yankee fans walking around with Cabrera jerseys on, telling me how good he was. I felt like I was talking crazy pills.

He was a clown in New York that just so happened to be surrounded by eight All-Stars. Anybody with some sanity would have noticed that Cabrera isn’t a starting-caliber center fielder on a Major League club.

I can only imagine how poor he is going to be surrounded by nobodies in KC.

The Royals are in the bottom-out phase of Moore’s plan, which means they need to sign mediocre veterans to fill out the starting lineup. It’s like when they signed guys like Terrence Long, Reggie Sanders, Jose Lima and Matt Stairs at the end of their careers to start in years past.

It’s going to be at least two years before top prospects like Mike Montgomery, Eric Hosmer, Mike Moustakas, Tim Melville and Aaron Crow contribute at the Major League level. Until then, there are going to be some more lean years in Kansas City.


WharfRat - 12/12/2010 at 02:34 PM

Aww c'mon Dan.. You are gonna make BHawk cry...


DanB - 12/12/2010 at 02:41 PM

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Aww c'mon Dan.. You are gonna make BHawk cry...


he pulls for the Royals and Chefs, poor Yerry


Lee - 12/14/2010 at 12:10 PM

Cliff Lee back to the Phillies. Whoda Thunkit?


gondicar - 12/14/2010 at 12:27 PM

Wow, glad he won't be in the AL East, or the AL at all for that matter, but wow.


WharfRat - 12/14/2010 at 01:25 PM

I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


Lee - 12/14/2010 at 01:27 PM

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I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....





Don't bother him...


gondicar - 12/14/2010 at 01:45 PM

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I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


And he can let it ring for a while...he's got the leverage now.


mbtogo4 - 12/14/2010 at 02:02 PM

Phillies ......
Best pitching rotation ever ......
Let the world series begin.
Lee showed class turning down the **** Yankee's


phillybob - 12/14/2010 at 02:08 PM

How about them Phillies!!!


WharfRat - 12/14/2010 at 05:48 PM

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quote:
I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


And he can let it ring for a while...he's got the leverage now.


Exactly.

We did just sign Rusell Martin though.

Ugh.


dougrhon - 12/14/2010 at 07:12 PM

Will really hurt the Yankees short term but may benefit them long term. I think we can all imagine Lee being a shell of himself in that seventh year. As for Pettitte, he doesn't need leverage. It's not about money or years with him. He will either return or he won't. Let's hope Burnett can get it back together.


emr - 12/15/2010 at 03:10 AM

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quote:
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I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


And he can let it ring for a while...he's got the leverage now.


Exactly.

We did just sign Rusell Martin though.

Ugh.



Agree; terrible signing. Need to find out if Montero has it or not. The Yankees remind me of celebrities who have their enterogue search out women for them at a club. They need to do some work on their own and stop relying on other teams to be their farm system. The core 4 started that way. Money can't buy you love (or a penant)


dougrhon - 12/15/2010 at 03:19 AM

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I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


And he can let it ring for a while...he's got the leverage now.


Exactly.

We did just sign Rusell Martin though.

Ugh.



Agree; terrible signing. Need to find out if Montero has it or not. The Yankees remind me of celebrities who have their enterogue search out women for them at a club. They need to do some work on their own and stop relying on other teams to be their farm system. The core 4 started that way. Money can't buy you love (or a penant)


I think it's going to buy the Phillies one.


emr - 12/15/2010 at 03:33 AM

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I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


And he can let it ring for a while...he's got the leverage now.


Exactly.

We did just sign Rusell Martin though.

Ugh.



Agree; terrible signing. Need to find out if Montero has it or not. The Yankees remind me of celebrities who have their enterogue search out women for them at a club. They need to do some work on their own and stop relying on other teams to be their farm system. The core 4 started that way. Money can't buy you love (or a penant)


I think it's going to buy the Phillies one.


Hey, my Giants beat them and Cliff Lee separately; no reason they can't beat them together. Teams don't always gel; though those 4 pitchers aren't head cases. But, Rollins has been injury prone; Howard is the type of guy like Mo Vaughn who can get old overnight. They lost Werth; Utley came back (successfully) from an injury last year.

You still have to play the season.

But, the finances of baseball are nuts. A 32 year old pitcher isn't worth more than 4 years. But, the teams live of monopoly money that we all underwrite (tax breaks; tax laws that allow big corps to write off tickets.


Lee - 12/15/2010 at 01:34 PM

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I think it's going to buy the Phillies one.


Perhaps but rarely does a team actually buy a pennant. You never know what can happen over the course of a season.


Lee - 12/15/2010 at 01:38 PM

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quote:
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I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


And he can let it ring for a while...he's got the leverage now.


Exactly.

We did just sign Rusell Martin though.

Ugh.



Agree; terrible signing. Need to find out if Montero has it or not. The Yankees remind me of celebrities who have their enterogue search out women for them at a club. They need to do some work on their own and stop relying on other teams to be their farm system. The core 4 started that way. Money can't buy you love (or a penant)



I don't know guys. I just read that NY is gonna make Posada the regular DH and by signing Martin they have two catchers. Obviously they must not be sold on the kid yet.


dougrhon - 12/15/2010 at 02:14 PM

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I think it's going to buy the Phillies one.


Perhaps but rarely does a team actually buy a pennant. You never know what can happen over the course of a season.


That's what I say about the Yankees.


Lee - 12/15/2010 at 02:31 PM

The Yanks signed Mark Prior yesterday. Might as well phone in the pennant for them.


gondicar - 12/15/2010 at 02:47 PM

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The Yanks signed Mark Prior yesterday. Might as well phone in the pennant for them.


It's part of the yanks new off season strategy...CASH FOR CLUNKERS!


emr - 12/15/2010 at 03:23 PM

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quote:
quote:
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I am thinking Andy Pettitte's cell phone is ringing this morning....


And he can let it ring for a while...he's got the leverage now.


Exactly.

We did just sign Rusell Martin though.

Ugh.



Agree; terrible signing. Need to find out if Montero has it or not. The Yankees remind me of celebrities who have their enterogue search out women for them at a club. They need to do some work on their own and stop relying on other teams to be their farm system. The core 4 started that way. Money can't buy you love (or a penant)



I don't know guys. I just read that NY is gonna make Posada the regular DH and by signing Martin they have two catchers. Obviously they must not be sold on the kid yet.


1 - 5 million is a lot for mediocrity
2 - If they aren't sold on Montero they should have traded him last year for Lee. At some point in time you need to pull the tripper (like the Giants did with Posey) - This is a Dave Collins type of signing.


WharfRat - 12/15/2010 at 03:28 PM

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I don't know guys. I just read that NY is gonna make Posada the regular DH and by signing Martin they have two catchers. Obviously they must not be sold on the kid yet.


Sounds like trade bait. But for WHO is the big question.

As for Prior.. No-risk there. Minor league deal, see what he has left (if anything)

And he WAS going to Seattle for Lee.
Seatlle chose Texas over NY


gondicar - 12/15/2010 at 03:42 PM

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Seatlle chose Texas over NY


Seems like NY has been playing 2nd fiddle like this a lot lately.


emr - 12/15/2010 at 04:05 PM

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I don't know guys. I just read that NY is gonna make Posada the regular DH and by signing Martin they have two catchers. Obviously they must not be sold on the kid yet.


Sounds like trade bait. But for WHO is the big question.

As for Prior.. No-risk there. Minor league deal, see what he has left (if anything)

And he WAS going to Seattle for Lee.
Seatlle chose Texas over NY


A lot of the NY press said that the Montero offer was less than sincere; the Yankess were so confident that they would get them in the offseason.


gondicar - 12/16/2010 at 01:45 PM

Sounds like another option for the yanks is off the table...

He’s back, Chicago: Cubs close to deal with Kerry Wood


WharfRat - 12/16/2010 at 02:08 PM

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Sounds like another option for the yanks is off the table...

He’s back, Chicago: Cubs close to deal with Kerry Wood



Suprised he didnt try for a closer job somewhere..


Lee - 12/16/2010 at 05:10 PM

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Sounds like another option for the yanks is off the table...

He’s back, Chicago: Cubs close to deal with Kerry Wood




But They finalized the minor league deals with former Cubbies Mark Prior and Neal Cotts. And I read on yahoo.com that they might go after Carlos Big Z Zambrano. And they already hired the Cubbies former pitching coach.

Interesting.


Peachypetewi - 12/16/2010 at 05:52 PM

White Sox made another good move. Signing Jessie Crain not only helps their bullpen but weakens Minnesota's.


WharfRat - 12/16/2010 at 09:18 PM

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And I read on yahoo.com that they might go after Carlos Big Z Zambrano. And they already hired the Cubbies former pitching coach.



For the love of God.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Sang - 12/16/2010 at 11:57 PM

Going for that ex-Cub factor........


gondicar - 12/17/2010 at 12:57 PM

Bobby Jenks in the house in beantown.

7th: Jenks
8th: Bard
9th: Papelbon

Works for me.


mbtogo4 - 12/18/2010 at 09:49 AM

I think it's going to buy the Phillies one.


Only one .......


Lee - 12/18/2010 at 12:57 PM

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Bobby Jenks in the house in beantown.

7th: Jenks
8th: Bard
9th: Papelbon

Works for me.



7th: Jenks In
7th: Jenks Yanked
7th: Bard in
8th: & 9th: Who cares, game over.

Good luck with Booby Jenks!


WharfRat - 12/19/2010 at 12:17 AM

You forgot the part where Paplebon gets ROCKED


phillybob - 1/1/2011 at 01:36 AM

The once mighty Yankees are now looking at Bartolo Colon who has not pitched since 2009. George must be rolling over in his grave.


Lee - 1/1/2011 at 01:41 PM














croky - 1/1/2011 at 08:19 PM

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The Yanks signed Mark Prior yesterday. Might as well phone in the pennant for them.


Can't believe the Cubs let Ryne Sandberg leave the org.

He will be Charlie Manuel's replacement in a couple of years.


gondicar - 1/5/2011 at 05:27 AM

Is it baseball season yet?? From boston.com...

Adrian Beltre signed with the Red Sox one year ago tomorrow.

If you had told Theo Epstein that day that Beltre would have such a monster year that he would become a Type A free agent and bring back two draft picks in return, it's likely he would have laughed.

One year later, bingo. Beltre has agreed to terms with Texas on a five-year deal pending a physical according to multiple sources. Unless the Rangers sign Rafael Soriano, the No. 26 pick belongs to the Sox.

The Red Sox turned Beltre, Victor Martinez, three prospects and their own first round pick into Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and four draft picks. Beltre and Martinez would have cost them at least $27 million in 2011. Gonzalez and Crawford will get $26.3 million.

Not a bad deal.


Lee - 1/5/2011 at 07:30 PM

Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar getting in the Hall is announced today. I can't argue with either choice. Blyleven should have been in a long time ago IMO.

A few I think should also be in: Lee Smith, Tim Raines, Don Mattingly & Alan Trammell. Maybe Jack Morris as well.


alloak41 - 1/5/2011 at 07:45 PM

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Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar getting in the Hall is announced today. I can't argue with either choice. Blyleven should have been in a long time ago IMO.

A few I think should also be in: Lee Smith, Tim Raines, Don Mattingly & Alan Trammell. Maybe Jack Morris as well.


No arguments here. I'm happy for Blyleven finally getting in.


Lee - 1/5/2011 at 07:58 PM

He could easily have had 325 - 350 wins. He pitched on some bad teams.


SpyNet - 1/5/2011 at 08:41 PM

I'm old school. With all due respect to all of your opinions.
The HOF has become a watered down popularity contest. All Bert Blyleven did was pitch long enough to get the numbers he did..like Don Sutton.
Would you want any of those two pitching a game 7 of the World Series over Jack Moris..or even Ron Guidry?
No.
You need to dominate your position to get in, not just accumilate numbers.
Alomar was a no brainer...brilliant player.

I've read that sports writers, once they get the privledge to vote, never lose it. They can vote on players they have barely, or even never seen. Jim Rice they made wait till his last year of eligiblity to let him him because he was so disliked, which was a joke.
Ever look at Albert Belles numbers? Maybe only Ty Cobb was hated more..haha.
He will never get in, but based on current criteria, probably belongs.

My Orioles will be a team to be reckon'd with


Lee - 1/5/2011 at 09:05 PM

Albert Belle? Seriously??


Joey Albert Belle???



WharfRat - 1/6/2011 at 02:02 AM

Interesting picks..

I disliked Alomar his entire career.. More so after the "spitting incident". I dont have a big problem with him getting into The Hall though.

As for Blyleven.. I agree. He is only in because he hung around long enough to accumulate stats.
But if they put him in, they also have to out Mussina in when he is due.

Blyleven(22 seaons) - 287 Wins,250 losses (.534 WP) 3.31 era

Moose (18 seasons) - 270 Wins 153 losses(.638 WP) 3.68 era ( in the Roid era, BTW)


I dont see any way they shut him out.. So for that, I am happy BB is in.

And Mattingly's vote % is dropping every year

[Edited on 1/6/2011 by WharfRat]


emr - 1/6/2011 at 04:24 AM

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Interesting picks..

I disliked Alomar his entire career.. More so after the "spitting incident". I dont have a big problem with him getting into The Hall though.

As for Blyleven.. I agree. He is only in because he hung around long enough to accumulate stats.
But if they put him in, they also have to out Mussina in when he is due.

Blyleven(22 seaons) - 287 Wins,250 losses (.534 WP) 3.31 era

Moose (18 seasons) - 270 Wins 153 losses(.638 WP) 3.68 era ( in the Roid era, BTW)


I dont see any way they shut him out.. So for that, I am happy BB is in.

And Mattingly's vote % is dropping every year

[Edited on 1/6/2011 by WharfRat]


Interesting comparison. While Blyleven had good post season stats, he spit the bit many times when the going was tough. If Moose was his teamate he would have kicked Cryleven's butt across the room.

The man did have the second best curveball 9after Koufax) I ever saw.

BTW is he the first Dutch born HOF? As edgy as he was he obviously didn't spend enough time in Amsterdam


DanB - 1/6/2011 at 01:47 PM

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And Mattingly's vote % is dropping every year


that I don't understand


WharfRat - 1/6/2011 at 02:28 PM

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And Mattingly's vote % is dropping every year


that I don't understand


Different articles I have read have said that it is because while he was an "elite" player, he just did not stay at that level long enough.
Effin injuries.


gondicar - 1/6/2011 at 02:39 PM

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And Mattingly's vote % is dropping every year


that I don't understand


Different articles I have read have said that it is because while he was an "elite" player, he just did not stay at that level long enough.
Effin injuries.


I heard it was because there are too many unqualified yankees in the hall already.


WharfRat - 1/6/2011 at 02:40 PM

If you are referring to Winfield..I agree.


gondicar - 1/6/2011 at 02:54 PM

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If you are referring to Winfield..I agree.


Nope, he's a Padre


Lee - 1/6/2011 at 06:44 PM

The length of Mattingly's career has always been the knock against him making The Hall. I don't understand that. As a point of reference, I would use Kirby Puckett as an example and he only played parts of 12 seasons but he is in. It's so subjective and there's no real barometer for what constitutes a lengthy career.

On the other hand, I have also heard that Blyleven only made it because of his lengthy career as Chuck points out, as well as Don Sutton and Phil Niekro among others.

Can you have it both ways? Regarding pitchers, some of the stats starters put up ending in about the 80s will likely never be matched because of how the game has changed. Mike Mussina and Jack Morris come to mind. When pitchers with ~200 wins start getting elected can they really keep out guys like the two I just mentioned?


WharfRat - 1/6/2011 at 08:11 PM

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If you are referring to Winfield..I agree.


Nope, he's a Padre



Good.


WharfRat - 1/6/2011 at 08:18 PM

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The length of Mattingly's career has always been the knock against him making The Hall. I don't understand that. As a point of reference, I would use Kirby Puckett as an example and he only played parts of 12 seasons but he is in. It's so subjective and there's no real barometer for what constitutes a lengthy career.

On the other hand, I have also heard that Blyleven only made it because of his lengthy career as Chuck points out, as well as Don Sutton and Phil Niekro among others.

Can you have it both ways? Regarding pitchers, some of the stats starters put up ending in about the 80s will likely never be matched because of how the game has changed. Mike Mussina and Jack Morris come to mind. When pitchers with ~200 wins start getting elected can they really keep out guys like the two I just mentioned?


I just dont see anyone winning 300 games anymore. The game has changed way too much. ( Not for the better, IMHO)
I think a pitcher starting out now would have to play 25+ years to hit 300. I think the 200-250 range could be the new 300.


I also see that after a weak HOF class next year ( Bernie Williams is the only significant additon, so Larkin should get elected)..

The 2013 class looks like this..
Bonds
Clemens
Sosa
Piazza


Should be veeeeeery interesting to say the least


SpyNet - 1/7/2011 at 12:55 PM

Since retiremet 2 years ago, I have gotten more into Baseball than I have been since I played.
Living now on the East Coast in CT, smack between Red Sox Nation and The Evil Empire Yankees...or is it the other way around now with all the spending the Sox have done?
I have heard one arguement for Donnie Baseball which I can't ignor, and that is to compare his carreer to Sandy Koufak..in reverse. Sandy was horrible his first 5-6 years, and then was off the charts great ...for 6 years.
Mattingly did it in reverse. Six monster years, as good as any player has ever had, but the last 6 were terrible due to a back injury caused by Cliff Lee in the Locker room messing around (not many know that).
I truly believe if Donnie had his carreer in the reverse order, he would be in. Just like if Sandy had his career in reverse order, he may not have made it in.
Interesting debate I think.
Also...CC Sabathia has 157 wins at age 29. If he avg 16 wins over the next 8 seasons, he could reach 300 wins.
I'm just hoping my Orioles will comlete this year with Buck at the helm. I would love to see them return to our glory days when we were the class of the league. I won WS with a SS hitting .189, and a cather around .200 Ahhh, the days of defense up the middle, and pitching.

Lets see if this new Philles Pitching staff can compare to the O's in the 70's with 4 20 game winners! Count em...4!
I know, clinging to the past. But they are making this comparrision even before they throw one pitch as a staff.


alloak41 - 1/7/2011 at 04:41 PM

The Cubs just got Matt Garza from the Rays.


Sang - 1/7/2011 at 04:45 PM

Good - they can pay even more to suck...............


gondicar - 1/7/2011 at 10:27 PM

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The Cubs just got Matt Garza from the Rays.


NICE! Glad he's out of the AL East.

Man, the Rays are really going to suck this season.


alloak41 - 1/11/2011 at 04:06 PM

Pitchers and Catchers - 32 days


WharfRat - 1/11/2011 at 08:11 PM

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Pitchers and Catchers - 32 days



DanB - 1/11/2011 at 09:59 PM

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Pitchers and Catchers - 32 days





best news all day


skypup - 1/11/2011 at 10:14 PM

Reds signed Edgar Renteria to a one year deal. Hope he stays healthy


Lee - 1/13/2011 at 11:38 AM

Cubs tix go on sale this morning! Yanks are coming to town this year.


DanB - 1/13/2011 at 01:24 PM

31 days


Sang - 1/13/2011 at 06:32 PM

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Cubs tix go on sale this morning! Yanks are coming to town this year.



I guess you need some reason to buy them.......


Sang - 1/13/2011 at 07:12 PM

Single games not on sale yet - this is just 13-game packages......


Lee - 1/13/2011 at 08:32 PM

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quote:
Cubs tix go on sale this morning! Yanks are coming to town this year.



I guess you need some reason to buy them.......



Well, Chicago needs ONE Major League team!


WharfRat - 1/13/2011 at 08:35 PM

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31 days



Lee - 1/13/2011 at 08:43 PM

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31 days









It's the only thing that gets me thru the days after The Super Bowl!!


WharfRat - 1/14/2011 at 03:17 AM

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31 days









It's the only thing that gets me thru the days after The Super Bowl!!


Same here..


WharfRat - 1/14/2011 at 03:28 AM

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110113&content_id=16435550&am p;vkey=news_nyy&c_id=nyy&partnerId=rss_nyy

Rafael Soriano is a Yankee

Not the starter they will looking for, but we now have a damn good Pen

And I am thinking Joba's days as a Yankee are numbered.

Hopefully Soriano picks up a few tricks from The Master and becomes the next closer


WharfRat - 1/14/2011 at 03:29 AM

And who the heck is left in Tampa?

Waterboys? Groundskeepers?


DanB - 1/14/2011 at 04:27 PM

30 days


Lee - 1/15/2011 at 01:12 PM

29.


SpyNet - 1/15/2011 at 05:16 PM

quote:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110113&content_id=16435550&am p;vkey=news_nyy&c_id=nyy&partnerId=rss_nyy

Rafael Soriano is a Yankee

Not the starter they will looking for, but we now have a damn good Pen

And I am thinking Joba's days as a Yankee are numbered.

Hopefully Soriano picks up a few tricks from The Master and becomes the next closer

In Birdland, my O's signed Kevin Gregg.. he's not Mo, but hey...give us some time.
I would have loved Soriano too, but he is 30, and while he may pick up a thing or two, hes not the age you'll want a closer to be when Mo retires...in like 5 years!
I thought they would move Joba into rotation possibly, but your thinking he's gone?
hmm, never thought of that. Is he arbitration eligible this year? I'll take him!

[Edited on 1/15/2011 by SpyNet]


DanB - 1/16/2011 at 01:15 PM

28 days


WharfRat - 1/16/2011 at 02:07 PM

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I thought they would move Joba into rotation possibly, but your thinking he's gone?
hmm, never thought of that. Is he arbitration eligible this year? I'll take him!


I hope I am wrong, as I really like the guy. But I think the Yanks have destroyed this guy mentally.
I can see them maybe giving him another shot at being a starter if thier other youngsters falter in Spring.
But if they do it, they need to take the leash off the guy !! Enough already!


WharfRat - 1/17/2011 at 11:08 AM

27 Days


WharfRat - 1/19/2011 at 05:45 PM




Lee - 1/19/2011 at 06:28 PM

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27 Days



26. 25 if you don't count today.


Lee - 1/20/2011 at 01:36 PM

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Is that a Barry Bonds jersey?


gondicar - 1/21/2011 at 09:54 PM



(when do we start a new 2011 thread?)


WharfRat - 1/22/2011 at 01:47 AM

quote:


(when do we start a new 2011 thread?)


Opening Day


DanB - 1/22/2011 at 03:31 AM

I sign Cameron up for his spring league on Feb 1.

He'll play in 3 leagues again this year.


SpyNet - 1/23/2011 at 12:52 PM

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quote:
I thought they would move Joba into rotation possibly, but your thinking he's gone?
hmm, never thought of that. Is he arbitration eligible this year? I'll take him!


I hope I am wrong, as I really like the guy. But I think the Yanks have destroyed this guy mentally.
I can see them maybe giving him another shot at being a starter if thier other youngsters falter in Spring.
But if they do it, they need to take the leash off the guy !! Enough already!

I thought they changed his delivery to save his arm, The way he used to sling shot the ball, his arm was not going to last. He has 4 pitches, and while he cant throw 98-100 mph this way, I think he will develop into a fine starter. You guys have a new pitching coach now, so that might help. I'm sure Buck knows the kid from the yanks farm system, so my O's will take him. Nothing like having a kid with talent who wants to show his old team they made a mistake!


emr - 1/23/2011 at 05:07 PM

I just had an image of Bob Gibson being brought up now, and the manager coming out to the mound to remove him from a close game due to the "Joba Rules". What type of suspension does one get for beating the s**t out of his manager in front of 50,000 people?


emr - 1/23/2011 at 05:09 PM

I just had an image of Bob Gibson being brought up now, and the manager coming out to the mound to remove him from a close game due to the "Joba Rules". What type of suspension does one get for beating the s**t out of his manager in front of 50,000 people?


SpyNet - 1/23/2011 at 06:57 PM

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I just had an image of Bob Gibson being brought up now, and the manager coming out to the mound to remove him from a close game due to the "Joba Rules". What type of suspension does one get for beating the s**t out of his manager in front of 50,000 people?

Going by your post(s) I'd say he would have beat him up, twice?


alloak41 - 1/23/2011 at 07:53 PM

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quote:
I just had an image of Bob Gibson being brought up now, and the manager coming out to the mound to remove him from a close game due to the "Joba Rules". What type of suspension does one get for beating the s**t out of his manager in front of 50,000 people?

Going by your post(s) I'd say he would have beat him up, twice?


Gibson didn't even like his own catcher coming out to the mound.


emr - 1/23/2011 at 08:16 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I just had an image of Bob Gibson being brought up now, and the manager coming out to the mound to remove him from a close game due to the "Joba Rules". What type of suspension does one get for beating the s**t out of his manager in front of 50,000 people?

Going by your post(s) I'd say he would have beat him up, twice?


Gibson didn't even like his own catcher coming out to the mound.


I REMEMBER THIS GAME IN 68 LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY - I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO KILL MCCARVER
Gibson in the 1968 World Series

Gibson was the Cards' first pitcher in the '68 World Series against the Tigers on Oct. 2. After he rang up a strikeout late in the game, St. Louis catcher Tim McCarver kept the ball while pointing to the scoreboard.

"Throw the &*@# ball back, will you?" Gibson yelled at his catcher. "C'mon, c'mon, let's go!"

But McCarver was adamant and the Cardinal fans were rocking Busch Stadium with their applause, so the pitcher finally glanced at the scoreboard. It read:

"Gibson's 15 strikeouts in one game ties the all-time World Series record held by Sandy Koufax."

After grudgingly tipping his cap, Gibson put it back on and struck out two more.


Stephen - 1/24/2011 at 04:01 PM

It would be interesting to hear some of the old-timers' takes on the game as it is today, esp. pitching wise & the proliferation of middle relievers/setup men, closers from both sides, righty and lefty, & also the vanishing of complete games as a meaningful stat etc

also, their take on conditioning & why things like obliques, ribcage strains, hamate bones, "quadricep" strains, forearm strains, high-ankle sprains, concussions, even strained finger tendons & stuff -- why all of these never existed in their day, because they didn't -- is the emphasis on safety first & the disabled list in baseball today, necessarily good for the "final product" etc.

the chapter "The Game I Love, But" in Don Drysdale's 1990 autobiography said it well, I thought

sorry for butting into this thread -- Manny & Johnny Damon in TB, wow, should be interesting

[Edited on 1/24/2011 by Stephen]


gondicar - 1/26/2011 at 10:47 AM

Cashman says Red Sox better than Yankees. HA HA HA HA !!!!!


SpyNet - 1/26/2011 at 12:32 PM

quote:
Cashman says Red Sox better than Yankees. HA HA HA HA !!!!!

GM's Lie.
The Red Sox are now poised to pay a luxury tax this year. They had to follow the Yankees lead..and spend money. I believe this makes you the reining Evil Empire!
(Ironically, as it turned out, the Red Sox would have been in better shape for keeping their payroll below the luxury tax threshold in 2011 had they simply structured their deal with Beltre to be a straightforward one-year, $10 million deal. Without the $3 million in luxury tax obligations they face on him for next year, the team would likely be below the $178 million threshold right for 2011 right now. That said, it would be almost impossible for the Sox to view any part of the Beltre deal – a bargain given his performance, not to mention the two draft picks the team will get as a result of his departure – as regrettable.)
Hey, I'm an Orioles fan. I would love to see my team up it's payroll.
Also, when you consider the population of both cities, The Sox actually pay more in Payroll than the Yankees..per capita.
So all these years of crying about the Yankees spending money to win, and now your doing it?
Are you now happy that your team is spending all this money after crying about it for years about the Yanks?
Interesting, I'd like to know
No one has been a more obnoxiuos fan than Sox fans at Camden BTW


gondicar - 1/26/2011 at 01:20 PM

quote:
quote:
Cashman says Red Sox better than Yankees. HA HA HA HA !!!!!

GM's Lie.
The Red Sox are now poised to pay a luxury tax this year. They had to follow the Yankees lead..and spend money. I believe this makes you the reining Evil Empire!
(Ironically, as it turned out, the Red Sox would have been in better shape for keeping their payroll below the luxury tax threshold in 2011 had they simply structured their deal with Beltre to be a straightforward one-year, $10 million deal. Without the $3 million in luxury tax obligations they face on him for next year, the team would likely be below the $178 million threshold right for 2011 right now. That said, it would be almost impossible for the Sox to view any part of the Beltre deal – a bargain given his performance, not to mention the two draft picks the team will get as a result of his departure – as regrettable.)
Hey, I'm an Orioles fan. I would love to see my team up it's payroll.
Also, when you consider the population of both cities, The Sox actually pay more in Payroll than the Yankees..per capita.
So all these years of crying about the Yankees spending money to win, and now your doing it?
Are you now happy that your team is spending all this money after crying about it for years about the Yanks?
Interesting, I'd like to know
No one has been a more obnoxiuos fan than Sox fans at Camden BTW




Sounds like sour grapes from a long suffering Orioles fan to me SpyNet. The fact is the Red Sox have spent gobs and gobs of money, especially since the current owners took over. The Sox and yanks are the only two teams to pay the luxury tax in 2010. The The Red Sox been #2 to the yanks during most of the last decade I believe (a couple of those years they may have been #3 or #4 I think), as they will be in 2011. Sox fans have actually been clammoring for them to spend MORE not less, especially since losing the Texiera sweepstakes a few years ago, since we all know they can afford it.

GM's may lie, but Cashman was just giving his assement of the current situation. A friend of mine who is a yankee season ticket holder send me this in an email yesterday: "Just had breakfast with Brian Cashman at the Hard Rock in Times Square. He is an awesome speaker and very honest. He clearly told us that as of today, he thinks the Redsox are much better than the Yankees, but says that he thinks Andy will pitch again this season and that they WILL get another starter. Time will tell."


WharfRat - 1/26/2011 at 01:27 PM

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but says that he thinks Andy will pitch again this season and that they WILL get another starter. Time will tell."



Rumor mill says he could pull a "Clemens" - Come back in June.
I will take ANYTHING from him at this point.
Just dont have any faithat all in AJ, which leaves us with 2 starters


SpyNet - 1/26/2011 at 01:57 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Cashman says Red Sox better than Yankees. HA HA HA HA !!!!!

GM's Lie.
The Red Sox are now poised to pay a luxury tax this year. They had to follow the Yankees lead..and spend money. I believe this makes you the reining Evil Empire!
(Ironically, as it turned out, the Red Sox would have been in better shape for keeping their payroll below the luxury tax threshold in 2011 had they simply structured their deal with Beltre to be a straightforward one-year, $10 million deal. Without the $3 million in luxury tax obligations they face on him for next year, the team would likely be below the $178 million threshold right for 2011 right now. That said, it would be almost impossible for the Sox to view any part of the Beltre deal – a bargain given his performance, not to mention the two draft picks the team will get as a result of his departure – as regrettable.)
Hey, I'm an Orioles fan. I would love to see my team up it's payroll.
Also, when you consider the population of both cities, The Sox actually pay more in Payroll than the Yankees..per capita.
So all these years of crying about the Yankees spending money to win, and now your doing it?
Are you now happy that your team is spending all this money after crying about it for years about the Yanks?
Interesting, I'd like to know
No one has been a more obnoxiuos fan than Sox fans at Camden BTW




Sounds like sour grapes from a long suffering Orioles fan to me SpyNet. The fact is the Red Sox have spent gobs and gobs of money, especially since the current owners took over. The Sox and yanks are the only two teams to pay the luxury tax in 2010. The The Red Sox been #2 to the yanks during most of the last decade I believe (a couple of those years they may have been #3 or #4 I think), as they will be in 2011. Sox fans have actually been clammoring for them to spend MORE not less, especially since losing the Texiera sweepstakes a few years ago, since we all know they can afford it.

GM's may lie, but Cashman was just giving his assement of the current situation. A friend of mine who is a yankee season ticket holder send me this in an email yesterday: "Just had breakfast with Brian Cashman at the Hard Rock in Times Square. He is an awesome speaker and very honest. He clearly told us that as of today, he thinks the Redsox are much better than the Yankees, but says that he thinks Andy will pitch again this season and that they WILL get another starter. Time will tell."


Sour grapes? No. Frustration...yes. I just want a chance to compete, and was hoping Buck would be more of a GM type than just the mgr. He can only risde the horse they give him
Who knows more about long time suffering than a Red Sox Fan..., you wrote the book!
We all know how "on paper" a team is better works out, don't we?
Let the season play out, but I like the fact they all pick the Sox. They were not the most gracious winners (the fans) as they made the rounds around the country, and visiting stadiums. I attribute it to not knowing how to handle winning...understandable.
Perhaps when they win it all this year they will show a shread of class, we can oly hope.


Top 50 MLB prospects were announced last night. Orioles have a few in there, but you would think they would have more than the Yankees?! How does a team who picks near last every year get so many top prospects? One in the top 10!
Red sox have one...#42
Hate to admit it, but the Yankees have done a hellava job with their farm system!

Andy Pettitte will start the year, or not at all I hear. His feelings are if the Yankees fall short by one game, and he was not there all year, he would never forgive himself.
Heard that on ESPN radio yesterday from Michael Kay
Gotta love that Andy, evernif he's wearing the wrong laundry


WharfRat - 1/26/2011 at 01:59 PM

O's will improve.. Buck is a HELL of a manager.

Now if your assclown owner would get his act together...


SpyNet - 1/26/2011 at 02:15 PM

quote:
O's will improve.. Buck is a HELL of a manager.

Now if your assclown owner would get his act together...

Amen to that!
He proved that just spending money doesn't cut it! At least the red Sox finnally spent, and won! cudos to them.
Your Yanks are the finest example of how to do it right.
Finish at the top every year, but yet your 1st round picks have made the Majors the past 15 years or so. Amazing
My O's have been the highest salaried team a couple times and had finished last, and still cant pick right!


WharfRat - 1/26/2011 at 05:35 PM

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My O's have been the highest salaried team a couple times and had finished last, and still cant pick right!



Sounds like the Mets


I am happy that we had a few guys in the Top 50... Unfortunately, none are pitchers.
TB has the #2, and a pitcher.
Where the hell do they grow these guys at? They consistantly just find these young stud pitchers. Unreal.


gondicar - 1/27/2011 at 01:09 PM

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Just dont have any faithat all in AJ, which leaves us with 2 starters


Yanks sign Bartolo Colon. Your worries are over!


WharfRat - 1/27/2011 at 03:17 PM

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quote:
Just dont have any faithat all in AJ, which leaves us with 2 starters


Yanks sign Bartolo Colon. Your worries are over!




Grrrrrrrr

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.. What? Tim Leary wasnt available??
WTF Cashman!


Lee - 1/27/2011 at 04:03 PM

Here's a pitcher for ya Chuck!







WharfRat - 1/27/2011 at 04:22 PM

Does not compute.


spacemonkey - 1/27/2011 at 04:34 PM

quote:
O's will improve.. Buck is a HELL of a manager.

Now if your assclown owner would get his act together...


Not gonna happen.

as you said, he is an assclown.


SpyNet - 1/28/2011 at 04:17 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Just dont have any faithat all in AJ, which leaves us with 2 starters


Yanks sign Bartolo Colon. Your worries are over!




Grrrrrrrr

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.. What? Tim Leary wasnt available??
WTF Cashman!

It's a minor league contract,. which just amounts to a spring training invite.
If it were a major league contract, then I can see you getting pissed.
he'll never see the new Yankee Stadium without a ticket


WharfRat - 1/28/2011 at 12:19 PM

I am just concerned about him taking innings away from someone who can actually zDO the job.
Probably wont happen, but still.

I guess I am still bitter over the guy. He used to KILL the Yanks when he was in his prime


Lee - 1/28/2011 at 12:42 PM

quote:
I am just concerned about him taking innings away from someone who can actually zDO the job.
Probably wont happen, but still.

I guess I am still bitter over the guy. He used to KILL the Yanks when he was in his prime



You are bitter about all the Yankees.


Are you starring in the next version of Grumpy Old Men?


WharfRat - 1/29/2011 at 01:21 AM

quote:
You are bitter about all the Yankees.



No, just the assclowns


phillybob - 1/29/2011 at 02:09 AM

Become a Phillies Phan this year and you will not go wrong.


WharfRat - 1/29/2011 at 03:11 AM

quote:
Become a Phillies Phan this year and you will not go wrong.


I DO like the Silles.

As long as they arent playing the Cubs or Yanks


Stephen - 1/31/2011 at 04:04 PM

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Become a Phillies Phan this year and you will not go wrong.


They absolutely have the best rotation that money can buy


Sandman - 2/2/2011 at 06:40 PM

So I'm going to be in Boston over the course of a week in April for the national urban planning conference. Turns out the Yankees will be in town the same week - a happy coincidence

I've been checking to see when tickets go on sale for this series. The Red Sox website isn't saying when - all I know is that they are NOT on sale yet. For shizz and giggles I went to stub hub and see hundreds of tickets for sale for this series. WTF?


Sandman - 2/2/2011 at 06:41 PM

Red Sox fans, when do tickets for your premium games go on sale?


WharfRat - 2/3/2011 at 02:20 PM

quote:
So I'm going to be in Boston over the course of a week in April for the national urban planning conference. Turns out the Yankees will be in town the same week - a happy coincidence

I've been checking to see when tickets go on sale for this series. The Red Sox website isn't saying when - all I know is that they are NOT on sale yet. For shizz and giggles I went to stub hub and see hundreds of tickets for sale for this series. WTF?


Most likely season ticket holders. The Yanks have been selling Seasons and packages for a few weeks now, bu still have not sold tix for individual games.

And just a heads up - I am assuming the Sox do it like everyone else. You might have a problem buying ONE game. Most teams only put these in packages


WharfRat - 2/3/2011 at 02:21 PM

Oh..

And 10 more days till Pitchers and Catchers!!!!


Yahooo!


gondicar - 2/3/2011 at 08:59 PM

quote:
So I'm going to be in Boston over the course of a week in April for the national urban planning conference. Turns out the Yankees will be in town the same week - a happy coincidence

I've been checking to see when tickets go on sale for this series. The Red Sox website isn't saying when - all I know is that they are NOT on sale yet. For shizz and giggles I went to stub hub and see hundreds of tickets for sale for this series. WTF?


Tix for this April Yanks series were put on sale a month or so ago as part of a whole bunch of different 4-game packages (I'll be there on Sat as part of the "Padres Pack" which also includes a game against the Padres in June, as well as a game in Aug and another in Sept). Some single games went on sale this past weekend, bit sure if this was among them or not.

Oh, and by the way, Andy Pettitte is hanging 'em up.

http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/thebuzz/2011/02/reports_pettitt.html


Sandman - 2/3/2011 at 09:08 PM

quote:
Tix for this April Yanks series were put on sale a month or so ago as part of a whole bunch of different 4-game packages (I'll be there on Sat as part of the "Padres Pack" which also includes a game against the Padres in June, as well as a game in Aug and another in Sept). Some single games went on sale this past weekend, bit sure if this was among them or not.


I found on the Red Sox website today standing room only packages which include that series. Is that Padres Package standing room only?

Check your PMs, Gondi...


Sandman - 2/3/2011 at 09:23 PM

Oh man, I just found those 4 game packages on the Red Sox website. All sold out.

I'm going to spring for one of those 3 game standing room only packages...


gondicar - 2/3/2011 at 09:27 PM

quote:
Oh man, I just found those 4 game packages on the Red Sox website. All sold out.

I'm going to spring for one of those 3 game standing room only packages...



PM sent.

I bought the day the went on sale in Dec. Still, by the time I got in all I could get were right field bleechers (which I don't mind, but I was prepared to spring for something other than the "cheap" seats)


Sandman - 2/3/2011 at 09:36 PM

Wooo woooo! I'm in the door

It's SRO, but I could hardly care. Can't wait to step inside this beautiful ballpark.

Scott, we'll talk later about getting together before the game. Man, this will be awesome!


WharfRat - 2/3/2011 at 10:13 PM

A sad sad day.

Nuff said.


emr - 2/3/2011 at 10:23 PM

quote:
A sad sad day.

Nuff said.


Maybe Clemens will pitch starting in July?


gondicar - 2/3/2011 at 10:36 PM

quote:
Wooo woooo! I'm in the door

It's SRO, but I could hardly care. Can't wait to step inside this beautiful ballpark.

Scott, we'll talk later about getting together before the game. Man, this will be awesome!




Sandman - 2/3/2011 at 11:30 PM

quote:
A sad sad day.

Nuff said.


Well, it was going to happen sooner or later. I wonder if it has anything to do with him testifying against Clemens this summer...he probably didn't want that being a distraction for the team, so he decided to retire. Who knows...


Sang - 2/4/2011 at 12:00 AM

....and who cares??????????????


WharfRat - 2/4/2011 at 02:08 AM

So.. what position is Pujols gonna play when he signs with the Yanks?


WharfRat - 2/4/2011 at 02:09 AM

quote:
quote:
A sad sad day.

Nuff said.


Well, it was going to happen sooner or later. I wonder if it has anything to do with him testifying against Clemens this summer...he probably didn't want that being a distraction for the team, so he decided to retire. Who knows...



I was thinking of that. He hates the spotlight as it is, so I think this played a big role in him leaving.
But at least he goes out on his terms.


alloak41 - 2/4/2011 at 02:32 AM

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quote:
quote:
A sad sad day.

Nuff said.


Well, it was going to happen sooner or later. I wonder if it has anything to do with him testifying against Clemens this summer...he probably didn't want that being a distraction for the team, so he decided to retire. Who knows...



I was thinking of that. He hates the spotlight as it is, so I think this played a big role in him leaving.
But at least he goes out on his terms.


The baserunners won't miss him. Best pickoff move ever.


Lee - 2/4/2011 at 04:49 PM

When I first heard that Pettite was going to retire, I thought, "Why so close to spring training?".

Apparently he had told the Yankees after the season that he wouldn't be back this season. Probably why they made a few of the pitching moves they did. They may actually have to rely on A.J. Burnett. Yikes!


michaelsio - 2/4/2011 at 07:36 PM

Yet another reason to hate the Mets.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110204/ap_on_sp_ot/us_mets_madoff


Well, at least for us Sillies fans.


WharfRat - 2/5/2011 at 01:46 AM

quote:
Yet another reason to hate the Mets.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110204/ap_on_sp_ot/us_mets_madoff


Well, at least for us Sillies fans.


Yea.. this could get ugly.


WharfRat - 2/5/2011 at 01:47 AM

quote:
When I first heard that Pettite was going to retire, I thought, "Why so close to spring training?".

Apparently he had told the Yankees after the season that he wouldn't be back this season. Probably why they made a few of the pitching moves they did. They may actually have to rely on A.J. Burnett. Yikes!


Yikes X 1000


DanB - 2/5/2011 at 02:35 AM

quote:
quote:
When I first heard that Pettite was going to retire, I thought, "Why so close to spring training?".

Apparently he had told the Yankees after the season that he wouldn't be back this season. Probably why they made a few of the pitching moves they did. They may actually have to rely on A.J. Burnett. Yikes!


Yikes X 1000


Javier Vasquez


WharfRat - 2/5/2011 at 02:37 AM

We waived adios to his sorry ass..


DanB - 2/5/2011 at 02:42 AM

quote:
We waived adios to his sorry ass..


nope he's back just signed today


WharfRat - 2/5/2011 at 03:44 AM

Umm no.

How is Melky doing for ya



gondicar - 2/9/2011 at 03:38 AM

Truck Day!


dougrhon - 2/9/2011 at 04:32 AM

No reason to play the season. Just hand the trophy to the Red Sox. NOT!


gondicar - 2/9/2011 at 04:45 AM

By all means, let's play the season...then hand it to them.


DougMacKenzie - 2/9/2011 at 11:48 AM

Here we go Rangers, here we go! Time to show last year was no fluke. Just trreat Michael Young with a little respect.


WharfRat - 2/9/2011 at 12:51 PM

quote:
Here we go Rangers, here we go! Time to show last year was no fluke. Just send Micheal Young to the Cubbies.


There, fixed that for ya


WharfRat - 2/9/2011 at 12:52 PM

quote:
Truck Day!




Umm no.


piacere - 2/9/2011 at 03:47 PM

quote:
Wooo woooo! I'm in the door

It's SRO, but I could hardly care. Can't wait to step inside this beautiful ballpark.

Scott, we'll talk later about getting together before the game. Man, this will be awesome!





you're gonna love it. gorgeous place.


alloak41 - 2/9/2011 at 04:09 PM


alloak41 - 2/12/2011 at 03:11 AM


RIP Chuck Tanner


croky - 2/12/2011 at 03:20 AM

Come see the Four Aces in Philly!


WharfRat - 2/12/2011 at 04:28 AM

quote:
Come see the Four Aces in Philly!


I plan on it..

If we can get tix that is


croky - 2/12/2011 at 07:30 PM

quote:
quote:
Come see the Four Aces in Philly!


I plan on it..

If we can get tix that is


We'll get something dude but the demand for tix is ridiculous. For the 2nd year in a row they've had to stop selling season ticket plans and there is actually a waiting list.
They're selling out spring training too. I may look into a 3 pack this year which is a new option. It's cheaper and easier to swing then a 6 pack.


WharfRat - 2/13/2011 at 12:35 AM

Winning will do that..

I might be breaking my vow to go to that stadium in the Bronx.

Might.

I will never call it Yankee Stadium tho..


alloak41 - 2/13/2011 at 01:59 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Come see the Four Aces in Philly!


I plan on it..

If we can get tix that is


We'll get something dude but the demand for tix is ridiculous. For the 2nd year in a row they've had to stop selling season ticket plans and there is actually a waiting list.


I wonder if they regret building a 43,000 seat ballpark. The Vet held 60,000.


Lee - 2/13/2011 at 01:54 PM

Here comes spring training 2011.


Someone change the title here!


WharfRat - 2/13/2011 at 01:56 PM

quote:
Here comes spring training 2011.


Someone change the title here!


Or start a fresh season with a new thread

Actually, I didnt realize some teams showed up today

PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 2/13/2011 by WharfRat]


Lee - 2/13/2011 at 02:12 PM

quote:
quote:
Here comes spring training 2011.


Someone change the title here!


Or start a fresh season with a new thread

Actually, I didnt realize some teams showed up today

PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 2/13/2011 by WharfRat]




I think it should be titled "Tiggers win in 2011".


WharfRat - 2/13/2011 at 02:13 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Here comes spring training 2011.


Someone change the title here!


Or start a fresh season with a new thread

Actually, I didnt realize some teams showed up today

PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 2/13/2011 by WharfRat]




I think it should be titled "Tiggers win in 2211".


Fixed that for ya


michaelsio - 2/13/2011 at 02:53 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Come see the Four Aces in Philly!


I plan on it..

If we can get tix that is


We'll get something dude but the demand for tix is ridiculous. For the 2nd year in a row they've had to stop selling season ticket plans and there is actually a waiting list.


I wonder if they regret building a 43,000 seat ballpark. The Vet held 60,000.


The Vet was a pit. It kept people from coming to games.

With fewer seats that helps create a demand. People think they can't wait until later so they buy tickets now. It's a self fulfilling perception of demand.

That and they've had a great team for the past few years.


croky - 2/13/2011 at 07:18 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Come see the Four Aces in Philly!


I plan on it..

If we can get tix that is


We'll get something dude but the demand for tix is ridiculous. For the 2nd year in a row they've had to stop selling season ticket plans and there is actually a waiting list.


I wonder if they regret building a 43,000 seat ballpark. The Vet held 60,000.


The Vet was a pit. It kept people from coming to games.

With fewer seats that helps create a demand. People think they can't wait until later so they buy tickets now. It's a self fulfilling perception of demand.

That and they've had a great team for the past few years.



I like the small confines. You definitely feel closer and the vibe is great.
The food is amazing too. It's tough to beat a wiz wit with some long hots and the roast pork with sharp provolone and broccoli rabe is just sick. That's just about a perfect sandwich.


michaelsio - 2/13/2011 at 08:13 PM

A huge step up from a Nilon Bros hot dog sitting on those grills for a week or so.


IPowrie - 2/14/2011 at 03:42 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Here comes spring training 2011.


Someone change the title here!


Or start a fresh season with a new thread

Actually, I didnt realize some teams showed up today

PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 2/13/2011 by WharfRat]




I think it should be titled "Tiggers win in 2011".


Best prediction yet


Sang - 2/14/2011 at 03:44 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Here comes spring training 2011.


Someone change the title here!


Or start a fresh season with a new thread

Actually, I didnt realize some teams showed up today

PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 2/13/2011 by WharfRat]




I think it should be titled "Tiggers win 50 in 2011".


Best prediction yet


gondicar - 2/17/2011 at 04:56 AM

Four reasons why Yankee fans are having nightmares as we get ready for the 2011 season...


Lee - 2/17/2011 at 02:39 PM

Ugh, best hitter in the A.L. charged with DUI. Damn....






http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR201102170 2246.html


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 02:41 PM

quote:
Ugh, best hitter in the A.L. charged with DUI. Damn....






http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR201102170 2246.html


Oh.

I thought Arod was in trouble again


Bhawk - 2/17/2011 at 02:41 PM

Title changed.


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 02:44 PM

quote:
Four reasons why Yankee fans are having nightmares as we get ready for the 2011 season...




Yanks OWN Beckett now.
Lackey is overrated.

Hope this helps


.. But I will admit that (on paper) they have a far better rotation then the Yanks.

Time will tell


Lee - 2/17/2011 at 02:44 PM

quote:

Oh.

I thought Arod was in trouble again



Thought you didn't like Arod?


And Cabrera is better.


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 02:45 PM

quote:
Title changed.


I turned on the MLB network this morning.. and they had clips of workouts going on yesterday!!!

This makes me


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 02:47 PM

quote:
quote:

Oh.

I thought Arod was in trouble again



Thought you didn't like Arod?


And Cabrera is better.


I dont

And is not.

Actually, they BOTH better kick ass this year. They are on one of my fantasy teams.
I dropped Jeter and kept Cabrera at the end of last season


Bhawk - 2/17/2011 at 02:51 PM

Ya wanna know why it doesn't even bother me anymore when people make fun of the Royals?

Because it's so easy to do. It's like a waste of time. It's a given.

What, with this pitching...

2011 Projected Royals Starting Rotation Pitcher/ERA
1 - Luke Hochevar/4.98
2 - Kyle Davies/4.96
3 - Vin Mazzaro/4.71
4 - Jeff Francis/4.27
5 - Bruce Chen/4.91
6 - Sean O'Sullivan/5.29

Projected Starting Linueup
1 - Alcides Escobar - SS
2 - Mike Aviles - 3B
3 - Billy Butler - 1B
4 - Kila Ka'aihue - DH
5 - Jeff Francoeur - OF
6 - Alex Gordon - OF
7 - Chris Getz - 2B
8 - Lorenzo Cain - OF
9 - Brayan Pena - C

When an organization keeps saying "oh, but, we're rebuilding," it's a giant steaming pile of BS. That is nothing but a cheap marketing ploy to coax patience out of the fanbase to try and get them to buy more tickets.

Someone please try and tell me the Royals won't lose 120 games this year. I'm guessing there won't be anyone out there that will do that!

Time to contract MLB, IMO. This is stupid. Let the 8 or 10 supergiantmoney teams play in their own damn league.


Lee - 2/17/2011 at 02:53 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:

Oh.

I thought Arod was in trouble again



Thought you didn't like Arod?


And Cabrera is better.


I dont

And is not.

Actually, they BOTH better kick ass this year. They are on one of my fantasy teams.
I dropped Jeter and kept Cabrera at the end of last season



Cabrera will probably be in rehab so might miss spring training. Who knows when he will be ready to play? Who the hell takes a swig out of a bottle in front of a cop?


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 02:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:

Oh.

I thought Arod was in trouble again



Thought you didn't like Arod?


And Cabrera is better.


I dont

And is not.

Actually, they BOTH better kick ass this year. They are on one of my fantasy teams.
I dropped Jeter and kept Cabrera at the end of last season



Cabrera will probably be in rehab so might miss spring training. Who knows when he will be ready to play? Who the hell takes a swig out of a bottle in front of a cop?


I didnt read the whole thing.. WTF is he thinking???


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 02:58 PM

Hawk, its funny you mention the Royals because that is the clip that MLB was showing this morning.
They also said that KC has by far the best farm system in the MLB.
Guess that wont help them in 2011 though


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 03:00 PM

quote:
1 - Alcides Escobar - SS
2 - Mike Aviles - 3B
3 - Billy Butler - 1B
4 - Kila Ka'aihue - DH
5 - Jeff Francoeur - OF
6 - Alex Gordon - OF
7 - Chris Getz - 2B
8 - Lorenzo Cain - OF
9 - Brayan Pena - C




When did they move Gordon to the OF?? Not too long ago they were billing him as the second coming of Brett

And it shows ya how far Melky has fallen.. he cant even start in KC.. Wow.


Lee - 2/17/2011 at 03:03 PM

I also heard that KC has stockplied a wealth of prospects. They also have money if they will part with it. Related to the Pujols drama, I read that KC might actually be a possible location that he would be willing to go to.


Bhawk - 2/17/2011 at 03:07 PM

quote:
Hawk, its funny you mention the Royals because that is the clip that MLB was showing this morning.
They also said that KC has by far the best farm system in the MLB.
Guess that wont help them in 2011 though


Oh, that best farm system line gets played a lot around here.

Thing is, apparently David Glass, our King Walmart owner, wants us to forget that guys like Johnny Damon, Carlos Beltran and Zack Grienke played here and he was too effing cheap to keep them.


Bhawk - 2/17/2011 at 03:09 PM

quote:
I also heard that KC has stockplied a wealth of prospects. They also have money if they will part with it. Related to the Pujols drama, I read that KC might actually be a possible location that he would be willing to go to.


Ixnay. The owner kiboshed that one. "I don't see a scenario where we would ever pay any player a contract of that size."


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 03:14 PM

quote:
quote:
I also heard that KC has stockplied a wealth of prospects. They also have money if they will part with it. Related to the Pujols drama, I read that KC might actually be a possible location that he would be willing to go to.


Ixnay. The owner kiboshed that one. "I don't see a scenario where we would ever pay any player a contract of that size."




Albert would make more then the entire team combined

BTW, I still dont think he is leaving STL, especailly with the 2 biggest spenders ( NY, Boston) out of the picture.

Unless he signs with .......




THE CUBS


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 03:16 PM

BTW, it looks like you guys made the right move shipping off Beltran.. He never really put up the numbers everyone thought he would.


alloak41 - 2/17/2011 at 03:19 PM

quote:
2011 Projected Royals Starting Rotation Pitcher/ERA
1 - Luke Hochevar/4.98
2 - Kyle Davies/4.96
3 - Vin Mazzaro/4.71
4 - Jeff Francis/4.27
5 - Bruce Chen/4.91
6 - Sean O'Sullivan/5.29



Ouch.


Bhawk - 2/17/2011 at 03:19 PM

quote:
quote:
2011 Projected Royals Starting Rotation Pitcher/ERA
1 - Luke Hochevar/4.98
2 - Kyle Davies/4.96
3 - Vin Mazzaro/4.71
4 - Jeff Francis/4.27
5 - Bruce Chen/4.91
6 - Sean O'Sullivan/5.29



Ouch.


I know, right? UGH.


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 03:22 PM

I thought Bruce Chen retired a few years ago


Bhawk - 2/17/2011 at 03:23 PM

OK, so, I was just poking around the Royals website anyway. No matter how much they suck, they're still my team and they'll always be my team, lose or lose.

The 2012 All-Star Game is in KC. Was just reading about the tickets for that event and came across this...myself and a buddy of mine are thinking of working out buying two season tickets next year to have a shot at getting into the All-Star Game...

quote:
Tickets for the 2012 All-Star Week events are required to be sold in full strips only. A strip consists of All-Star related events on Sunday and Monday, the All-Star Game on Tuesday and two All-Star FanFest tickets at the Kansas City Convention Center for every one full season seat. There is no exception to this policy.



I'm melting.


DanB - 2/17/2011 at 03:31 PM

quote:
I thought Bruce Chen retired a few years ago


he along w/ Kyle Davies were demoted by the Braves to the Royals

also Melky


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 03:32 PM

quote:
OK, so, I was just poking around the Royals website anyway. No matter how much they suck, they're still my team and they'll always be my team, lose or lose.




gondicar - 2/17/2011 at 03:36 PM

Unfortunate news about Cabrera, just glad he didn't hurt himself or anyone else (or worse)...so much talent, such a waste.


alloak41 - 2/17/2011 at 04:12 PM

quote:
quote:
OK, so, I was just poking around the Royals website anyway. No matter how much they suck, they're still my team and they'll always be my team, lose or lose.






x2


michaelsio - 2/17/2011 at 04:57 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
OK, so, I was just poking around the Royals website anyway. No matter how much they suck, they're still my team and they'll always be my team, lose or lose.






x2


Feel the same way about the Phillies. Easy to say now, not so easy in the '90s.


WharfRat - 2/17/2011 at 09:32 PM

Exactly.
The Yanks hit some pretty lean years in the late 80's early 90's..( Mell Hall anyone? )

I was still there with them through it all.. And it was ALOT easier to get tickets


alloak41 - 2/18/2011 at 02:44 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
OK, so, I was just poking around the Royals website anyway. No matter how much they suck, they're still my team and they'll always be my team, lose or lose.






x2


Feel the same way about the Phillies. Easy to say now, not so easy in the '90s.


I've been an Astros fan since the 60's and have always stuck by them. Some really lean years, a ton of 81 win seasons, some great playoff series (like vs. the Phils in '80) ending up on the short end, lots of good players, and the one WS which we lost. The key is getting off to a good start, which we always have trouble doing. Hopefully this year we can start at 14-3 instead of the other way around.


emr - 2/18/2011 at 02:48 AM

I sspent my entire 54 years waiting for the Giants to win a pennant; have pateince my friends.

This included endless nights listening to the radio till 2 AM with my dad. Eventually it's worth it


alloak41 - 2/18/2011 at 07:19 PM

I hear you, emr. Many of those years with good ballclubs trapped behind the Reds and the Dodgers in the old NL West.


emr - 2/18/2011 at 07:46 PM

quote:
I hear you, emr. Many of those years with good ballclubs trapped behind the Reds and the Dodgers in the old NL West.


And before the playoff system began; it was always Koufax (Dodgers) and gibson (Cardianals) winning. Juan Marichal has to be the best pitcher never to win the Cy Young Award


gondicar - 2/24/2011 at 04:47 PM

The Phillies throw out the first pitch of Spring Training's first game today.


Sang - 2/24/2011 at 05:42 PM

Bad news already - Wainwright out for 12-18 months for Tommy John surgery.................


WharfRat - 2/24/2011 at 07:20 PM

quote:
The Phillies throw out the first pitch of Spring Training's first game today.


Just saw a LIVE boxscore


gondicar - 2/24/2011 at 08:18 PM

Jeter's new crib...



Q: How many rooms does Minka get?

A: As many as she wants.


SpyNet - 2/24/2011 at 11:44 PM

quote:
Jeter's new crib...



Q: How many rooms does Minka get?

A: As many as she wants.


so, this is the mansion that cost the yankees a world title according to hank steingrabber!
Now all we need is a tv commercial like the credit card one jeter did with the boss some years back when george accussed Derek of staying out to late at night!
That was classic

Go O's!!


croky - 2/27/2011 at 03:56 AM

quote:
quote:
The Phillies throw out the first pitch of Spring Training's first game today.


Just saw a LIVE boxscore



Today's game was just a sign of things to come.

It's all about staying healthy. Baseball on HD is heaven.

Hope you'll be down here to watch the Phils spank the Yanks!


WharfRat - 2/27/2011 at 04:43 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The Phillies throw out the first pitch of Spring Training's first game today.


Just saw a LIVE boxscore



Today's game was just a sign of things to come.

It's all about staying healthy. Baseball on HD is heaven.

Hope you'll be down here to watch the Phils spank the Yanks!



Lee - 2/28/2011 at 04:49 PM

Sad news to hear of Duke Snider's passing. My brother-in-law is named Duke as my father-in-law's favorite player was Duke Snider.

If you enjoy reading, check out Duke's autobiograhpy. I believe the title is "They Call Me The Duke".





Brendan - 2/28/2011 at 04:59 PM

quote:
my father-in-law's
Wait, someone married you?


Lee - 2/28/2011 at 05:26 PM

quote:
quote:
my father-in-law's
Wait, someone married you?




I didn't tell you about me and Sang?


Brendan - 2/28/2011 at 05:47 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
my father-in-law's
Wait, someone married you?




I didn't tell you about me and Sang?
I didn't need to be told...I just didn't know you had made it official. Mazel tov!


emr - 2/28/2011 at 07:54 PM

quote:
quote:
Jeter's new crib...



Q: How many rooms does Minka get?

A: As many as she wants.


so, this is the mansion that cost the yankees a world title according to hank steingrabber!
Now all we need is a tv commercial like the credit card one jeter did with the boss some years back when george accussed Derek of staying out to late at night!
That was classic

Go O's!!


Don't get me wrong; I would kill for his looks, talent, money and selection of women - but that is the f**ng ugliest house i've ever seen - and it looks worse from the front (Minka, on the other hand, looks fine from either direction)

[Edited on 2/28/2011 by emr]


MundeleinHoward - 3/1/2011 at 06:31 AM


THIS JUST IN:
Charlie Sheen Wants To Finish Career As A Cleveland Indian


alloak41 - 3/4/2011 at 04:53 PM

The Cubs have made 14 errors in their first four spring games and already had a fight in the dugout.


gondicar - 3/4/2011 at 05:33 PM

quote:
The Cubs have made 14 errors in their first four spring games and already had a fight in the dugout.


Nice to hear they are in midseason form already.


DougMacKenzie - 3/10/2011 at 07:02 PM

I hope the Rangers' pitching staff can hold up. Damn, I miss Cliff Lee already.


croky - 3/12/2011 at 01:35 AM

Go Phils!


Sang - 3/12/2011 at 02:18 AM

mention pitchers and catchers and look who shows up.................

eFF crOky!


croky - 3/12/2011 at 02:38 AM

quote:
mention pitchers and catchers and look who shows up.................

eFF crOky!




A besmirch and run. Typical Sang!


alloak41 - 3/12/2011 at 03:40 AM

Loving the MLB network and all these spring games. Seems like I've already seen every team at least once


WharfRat - 3/12/2011 at 11:47 AM

I ma hopelessly addicted to the MLB Network


hastings - 3/12/2011 at 12:04 PM

quote:
I ma hopelessly addicted to the MLB Network


WOW, and I thought it was collecting CD's


WharfRat - 3/13/2011 at 08:58 PM

quote:
quote:
I ma hopelessly addicted to the MLB Network


WOW, and I thought it was collecting CD's


Not so much ay more..


gondicar - 3/14/2011 at 11:52 AM

Going to see Red Sox vs. Rays on Friday.


DanB - 3/14/2011 at 12:41 PM

quote:
Going to see Red Sox vs. Rays on Friday.


ya gotta love minor league baseball


alloak41 - 3/14/2011 at 03:25 PM

AMERICAN LEAGUE PICKS -- 2011

AL East:
1- Red Sox
2- Yankees
3- Rays
4- Blue Jays
5- Orioles

AL Central:
1- Twins
2- White Sox
3- Tigers
4- Royals
5- Indians

AL West:
1- Angels
2- Rangers
3- A's
4- Mariners

Wild Card- Yankees


NATIONAL LEAGUE TOMORROW!!


michaelsio - 3/14/2011 at 04:46 PM

quote:
quote:
Going to see Red Sox vs. Rays on Friday.


ya gotta love minor league baseball


That would be the Royals playing the Rays.


alloak41 - 3/15/2011 at 05:39 PM

NATIONAL LEAGUE PICKS -- 2011

NL East:
1- Phillies
2- Braves
3- Marlins
4- Mets
5- Nationals

NL Central:
1- Brewers
2- Reds
3- Cardinals
4- Astros
5- Cubs
6- Pirates

NL West:
1- Rockies
2- Giants
3- Dodgers
4- Padres
5- Diamondbacks

Wild Card - Braves


alloak41 - 3/17/2011 at 03:28 AM

Tragic Grapefruit League story:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/03/16/braves-minor-league-manager-loses- eye-struck-foul-ball/?test=latestnews


IPowrie - 3/17/2011 at 05:54 AM

quote:
Tragic Grapefruit League story:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/03/16/braves-minor-league-manager-loses- eye-struck-foul-ball/?test=latestnews


Just saw that


Lee - 3/25/2011 at 05:46 PM

Tiggers play the Yanks on Opening Day Thursday on ESPN. Goooooo Tiggers!!!!


DanB - 3/25/2011 at 06:37 PM

The Yankees have signed Kevin Millwood

rotflmao


Lee - 3/25/2011 at 06:38 PM

quote:
The Yankees have signed Kevin Millwood

rotflmao





Cuz he played for the Braves?


DanB - 3/25/2011 at 06:44 PM

quote:
quote:
The Yankees have signed Kevin Millwood

rotflmao





Cuz he played for the Braves?


those were his best years but last year he was 4-16 w/ a 5.10 ERA


Lee - 3/25/2011 at 06:55 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The Yankees have signed Kevin Millwood

rotflmao





Cuz he played for the Braves?


those were his best years but last year he was 4-16 w/ a 5.10 ERA




Looks like front line starter numbers to me!


brofan - 3/25/2011 at 07:16 PM

quote:
The Yankees have signed Kevin Millwood

rotflmao


Pride of Bessemer CIty, NC - west of Gastonia


DanB - 3/26/2011 at 01:49 AM

quote:
quote:
The Yankees have signed Kevin Millwood

rotflmao


Pride of Bessemer CIty, NC - west of Gastonia


damn you've settled in


croky - 3/26/2011 at 09:42 PM

The Phils are actually playing the Spanks in NY.
I smell a road trip.




























Or is it rancid Horsey Sauce!


croky - 3/26/2011 at 09:43 PM

PT O RAMA with a side of horsey sauce!


croky - 3/26/2011 at 09:46 PM

Injury bug hitting the Phils early. I'd rather it be now instead of August.

Worried about Utley. He sounds really sketched out by surgery.
Lidge just can't seem to stay healthy. Sore shoulder, not good.
Polanoc hyperextended the elbow he just got surgery on.

The 4 aces are going to have to carry the load.


Sang - 3/27/2011 at 05:09 PM

eFF croKy..................


Lee - 3/31/2011 at 11:06 AM

Happy Opening Day Guys!!


WharfRat - 3/31/2011 at 11:45 AM

quote:
Happy Tiggers beatdown Day Guys!!




Lee - 3/31/2011 at 12:04 PM

quote:
quote:
Happy Tiggers beatdown Day Guys!!







With that fat ass Yanks pitcher?!?!


bob1954 - 3/31/2011 at 01:12 PM

I do believe Verlander will be kicking some Yankee a$$ today. The weather should help Detroit, as only real men can play in the cold and wet.

Anyone else here score games? I usually get my scorebook out for 20-30 games per year. Can't do it today because I probably won't be able to watch until the 3rd inning or so.


Lee - 3/31/2011 at 02:13 PM

Looks pretty iffy to even get the game in today, unfortunately.

Regarding scoring games, I almost always do so in person. Other than a few times scoring all-star games as I kid I have never scored a TV game.


Sandman - 3/31/2011 at 02:21 PM

In just over a week, I'll be at Fenway Park


bob1954 - 3/31/2011 at 02:22 PM

quote:
Looks pretty iffy to even get the game in today, unfortunately.

Regarding scoring games, I almost always do so in person. Other than a few times scoring all-star games as I kid I have never scored a TV game.

I score quite a few TV games, sometimes only for 5 or 6 innings. I score in person at the Asheville Tourists minor league games. There is a section behind the home dugout where probably 8 or 10 old men (me included) sit with our scorebooks and argue about the game.


Sandman - 3/31/2011 at 02:23 PM

quote:
There is a section behind the home dugout where probably 8 or 10 old men (me included) sit with our scorebooks and argue about the game.


Ah, the beauty of baseball!


Bhawk - 3/31/2011 at 02:26 PM

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Looks pretty iffy to even get the game in today, unfortunately.

Regarding scoring games, I almost always do so in person. Other than a few times scoring all-star games as I kid I have never scored a TV game.

I score quite a few TV games, sometimes only for 5 or 6 innings. I score in person at the Asheville Tourists minor league games. There is a section behind the home dugout where probably 8 or 10 old men (me included) sit with our scorebooks and argue about the game.


I found one of your scorecards...man, you guys ARE old...




WharfRat - 3/31/2011 at 07:59 PM

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I do believe Verlander will be kicking some Yankee a$$ today. The weather should help Detroit, as only real men can play in the cold and wet.

Anyone else here score games? I usually get my scorebook out for 20-30 games per year. Can't do it today because I probably won't be able to watch until the 3rd inning or so.


So how did that work out for ya?


bob1954 - 3/31/2011 at 08:03 PM

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I do believe Verlander will be kicking some Yankee a$$ today. The weather should help Detroit, as only real men can play in the cold and wet.

Anyone else here score games? I usually get my scorebook out for 20-30 games per year. Can't do it today because I probably won't be able to watch until the 3rd inning or so.


So how did that work out for ya?

It's not over yet.


bob1954 - 3/31/2011 at 08:14 PM

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I do believe Verlander will be kicking some Yankee a$$ today. The weather should help Detroit, as only real men can play in the cold and wet.

Anyone else here score games? I usually get my scorebook out for 20-30 games per year. Can't do it today because I probably won't be able to watch until the 3rd inning or so.


So how did that work out for ya?

It's not over yet.

OK, now it's over. Former Tiger Curtis Granderson looked great!


fensranger - 3/31/2011 at 08:33 PM

I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


WharfRat - 3/31/2011 at 08:42 PM

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I do believe Verlander will be kicking some Yankee a$$ today. The weather should help Detroit, as only real men can play in the cold and wet.

Anyone else here score games? I usually get my scorebook out for 20-30 games per year. Can't do it today because I probably won't be able to watch until the 3rd inning or so.


So how did that work out for ya?

It's not over yet.

OK, now it's over. Former Tiger Curtis Granderson looked great!


Yea, so much for being hurt.
Hell of a blast by my boy Tex as well.


DerekFromCincinnati - 3/31/2011 at 09:53 PM

Now that's what the hell I'm talking about after stranding bases loaded runners all damn day long - a come-from-behind two-out walk off opposite field three-run homer in the bottom of the 9th to win Opening Day game in the Home Of Professional Baseball in Cincinnati, which is why Opening Day is always a home game in Cincy! Last year's attitude is still there. And this, of course, after the 92nd Opening Day Parade and our beloved Big Red Machine-managing Sparky Anderson being honored after his passing with the Hit King in the stands watching on, and Joey Votto getting his NLMVP award to boot. It's been a good day!


gondicar - 4/1/2011 at 09:48 AM

I'll score this game.



[Edited on 4/1/2011 by gondicar]


WharfRat - 4/1/2011 at 11:09 AM

I wouldnt care WHO won that game


DanB - 4/1/2011 at 01:34 PM

a friend posted this on FB

The missing Cobra was found in the Bronx Zoo. I could have sworn it would have been found with the rest of the snakes at FENWAY PARK!!!!


bob1954 - 4/1/2011 at 01:45 PM

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I'll score this game.




So, this is what you do at 5:48am?


Bhawk - 4/1/2011 at 01:52 PM

What a great season! See you next year!


alloak41 - 4/1/2011 at 04:15 PM

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What a great season! See you next year!


Don't dispair. They have things going in the right direction.


brofan - 4/1/2011 at 04:21 PM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.


alloak41 - 4/1/2011 at 05:00 PM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.


Still can't believe they tore down The Stadium.


brofan - 4/1/2011 at 05:16 PM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.


Still can't believe they tore down The Stadium.


Me either. I thought they said at first the were gonna leave it up but as I said to a young Irish cop with red hair when I was gazing up at it, "They should NEVER tear this place down. It should a be a shrine." "No they shouldn't" he said.


alloak41 - 4/1/2011 at 05:18 PM

Halliday had no trouble mowing down the Astros 1-2-3, 2 K's in the first. Forty degrees and drizzling in Philly. Shouldn't they have scheduled this homestand in Houston?


fensranger - 4/1/2011 at 07:50 PM

i agree, i never understand why they cannot play the first week or two in warm climates and indoor venues. i guess its all about money as usual-eliminated the doubleheaders so now season needs to start in march.


bob1954 - 4/1/2011 at 08:01 PM

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Halliday had no trouble mowing down the Astros 1-2-3, 2 K's in the first. Forty degrees and drizzling in Philly. Shouldn't they have scheduled this homestand in Houston?

Phil's score 3 in bottom of 9th to win 5-4. Great game!


alloak41 - 4/1/2011 at 08:05 PM

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Halliday had no trouble mowing down the Astros 1-2-3, 2 K's in the first. Forty degrees and drizzling in Philly. Shouldn't they have scheduled this homestand in Houston?

Phil's score 3 in bottom of 9th to win 5-4. Great game!


Ugh...I think I would have pulled Lyon. It was obvious he didn't have a thing.

Hundred sixty one more to go....


alloak41 - 4/1/2011 at 08:07 PM

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i agree, i never understand why they cannot play the first week or two in warm climates and indoor venues. i guess its all about money as usual-eliminated the doubleheaders so now season needs to start in march.


Exactly. Red Sox are opening up in Arlington where it's 85 degrees. Boston had six inches of snow.


brofan - 4/1/2011 at 08:54 PM

God, the Cubs are just HORRIBLE.

Quade'll be gone by August.

What the HELL does Hendry have to do to get fired? Murder one of the Ricketts?

Jesus....


Peachypetewi - 4/1/2011 at 09:08 PM

Looks like Dunn, Konerko and Quentin have all gone yard for the White Sox, nice start for them. It's only against Cleveland though.


WharfRat - 4/2/2011 at 02:35 AM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.


Still kills me
I havent been to the new house yet. Not sure if I ever will..


IPowrie - 4/3/2011 at 12:14 AM

Seems the Tigers can score but cant pitch


bob1954 - 4/3/2011 at 12:38 AM

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Seems the Tigers can score but cant pitch

I thought Verlander looked pretty good Thursday, but there was nothing to like about Penny's performance today.


WharfRat - 4/3/2011 at 12:46 AM

AJ Burnett wasnt horrible today.

Thats a start..


bob1954 - 4/3/2011 at 01:24 AM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.

Still kills me
I havent been to the new house yet. Not sure if I ever will..

I felt the same way about Tiger Stadium. It took me 5 years before I ever went to a game at Comerica Park. I still love my memories of the old stadium, but I have to admit the new park is outstanding.

[Edited on 4/3/2011 by bob1954]


WharfRat - 4/3/2011 at 02:44 AM

I might head up this year..

Will be a rough day for sure if I do


Lee - 4/3/2011 at 04:45 PM

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God, the Cubs are just HORRIBLE.

Quade'll be gone by August.

What the HELL does Hendry have to do to get fired? Murder one of the Ricketts?

Jesus....



After ONE game? Long season buddy.


WharfRat - 4/3/2011 at 04:50 PM

Yea, even im not THAT bad..

Yet


Lee - 4/3/2011 at 05:06 PM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.

Still kills me
I havent been to the new house yet. Not sure if I ever will..

I felt the same way about Tiger Stadium. It took me 5 years before I ever went to a game at Comerica Park. I still love my memories of the old stadium, but I have to admit the new park is outstanding.

[Edited on 4/3/2011 by bob1954]



Bob - I could fill a book with memories of that place. I still remember my first game there in 1976. Mark Fidrych pitched. I recall walking up the runway to get to field level and the first thing I noticed was the striking green of the outfield grass. My mom gave me $1.25 to add to my allowance for spending money. I bought a pennant which I still have.

I was at the last game at Tiger Stadium in '99 with my buddy. During the seventh inning stretch I looked over at him and he had tears in his eyes.


DanB - 4/3/2011 at 05:28 PM

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God, the Cubs are just HORRIBLE.

Quade'll be gone by August.

What the HELL does Hendry have to do to get fired? Murder one of the Ricketts?

Jesus....


that is just really effing funny


Lee - 4/3/2011 at 05:33 PM

Welcome to the world of Rich hyperbole.


bob1954 - 4/3/2011 at 07:04 PM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.

Still kills me
I havent been to the new house yet. Not sure if I ever will..

I felt the same way about Tiger Stadium. It took me 5 years before I ever went to a game at Comerica Park. I still love my memories of the old stadium, but I have to admit the new park is outstanding.

[Edited on 4/3/2011 by bob1954]



Bob - I could fill a book with memories of that place. I still remember my first game there in 1976. Mark Fidrych pitched. I recall walking up the runway to get to field level and the first thing I noticed was the striking green of the outfield grass. My mom gave me $1.25 to add to my allowance for spending money. I bought a pennant which I still have.

I was at the last game at Tiger Stadium in '99 with my buddy. During the seventh inning stretch I looked over at him and he had tears in his eyes.


September 27, 1999 against Kansas City. I wasn't there but I have that game on DVD.

I miss the troughs in the mens rooms. Remember The Brow? I miss him. I miss Herbie the groundskeeper shaking his bootie to Thank God I'm A Country Boy. I miss hanging out at the Stadium Bar before and after the games. I miss $3 parking. I miss Fat Bob singing the National Anthem. Those were the days.


bob1954 - 4/3/2011 at 07:08 PM

The Brow:



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Joe “The Brow” Diroff: Detroit’s Most Famous Cheerleader
By Karen E. Bush

Buy a hot dog at Comerica Park these days, and, if you’re sitting in the upper deck, you may get a dose of opera along with the mustard. The Tiger organization tried to shut him up back in 2004, but eventually realized that Charlie Macuse, whose remarkably operatic voice is equaled only by the infrequency with which he sings a recognizable tune, was the closest thing the new ball park had to a home-grown mascot. But, however much they hype him, Charlie doesn’t quite hack it. Even Paws (and for those to the south of us, Muddy) can’t hold a candle to the real thing.

They’ll never CATCH UP, ’cuz they can’t cut the MUSTARD!!!

How, I wonder, have the Detroit Tigers won anything in the years since Joe Diroff, The Brow himself, hung it up.

In the relatively intimate confines of Tiger Stadium, everybody knew him. Sweating in the sunshine of a day game or wandering about in evening shadows, his uniform was the same – white shirt and tie – a cloth hat or a raincoat as the weather dictated, and always in his back pockets or in his hands, some sort of prop. The most frequent were a yellow plastic mustard bottle and a red ketchup dispenser, there to be waved insistently at the fans as he made his rounds. If it wasn’t ketchup and mustard, sometimes it was an old-fashioned bicycle pump: “Let’s get pumped up!” Or a plastic banana: “Let’s go bananas!” Or when the Tigers had a chance to sweep a series, The Brow would have a broom.

You couldn’t not hear him. Maybe those stentorian tones came from 30 years worth of teaching seventh grade math, or maybe he honed them raising nine children of his own, but everybody knew what they were supposed to do. It didn’t slow him down if the team was behind. That ketchup bottle was a switch hitter. “Catch up! It’s time to catch up!”

It wasn’t just the Tigers who got Diroff’s support. Every team in town knew him well. Most gave him free stadium or arena passes. He went on the road, too, but quit taking in Lions games in Chicago when Bears fans pitched him over the top row of seats into the lap of a pretty girl. The reward wasn’t worth the risk to life and limb. Instead, he made the drive – sometimes even as far as Green Bay, Wisconsin – and saw the team off from their hotel.

In the September of 1987, things were hot for the Tigers. They were headed for the playoffs [they would face and lose to the Minnesota Twins] but first they had to stave off the charging Blue Jays. The Brow’s talents were in great demand, and he gave of them in full measure. Still, that year his greatest moment wasn’t at Tiger Stadium.

In September of 1987, led by delegations from Hamtramck (perhaps the most Polish city in the world after Warsaw) 110,000 of the faithful gathered in the Pontiac Silverdome to share communion with the Polish pope – John Paul II. It was world news, and every television station carried the service. And, as international cameras panned down the aisle, they passed a familiar figure. On his feet, arm in the air, sans ketchup bottle but with his accustomed animation, was The Brow himself – cheering the Pope!

The Brow had a stroke eight years later, and then, in 1997, the Field of Dreams finally got its official cheerleader, just the man to tell Cobb and the rest that they had better cut the mustard.


http://blog.detroitathletic.com/2009/06/21/joe-the-brow-diroff-detroits-mos t-famous-cheerleader/


Lee - 4/3/2011 at 07:24 PM

Ah The Brow. When I was a kid I would sneak down to the seats behind the plate so I could listen to him heckle the opposing team.

Herbie - I caught him coming off the field once and wanted his autograph. I had my ticket stub in one hand and my program under my arm. All he saw was the ticket stub in my hand. When I asked him he says:

"Yeah but I can't sign that damn little thing".


bob1954 - 4/3/2011 at 07:35 PM

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Ah The Brow. When I was a kid I would sneak down to the seats behind the plate so I could listen to him heckle the opposing team.

Herbie - I caught him coming off the field once and wanted his autograph. I had my ticket stub in one hand and my program under my arm. All he saw was the ticket stub in my hand. When I asked him he says:

"Yeah but I can't sign that damn little thing".

For about 10 years (1979-1989) I would meet Herbie before the game on Opening Day at the Stadium Bar. I'd buy him a couple beers and he'd give me a report on the condition of the field. He was a lot of fun and he loved the notoriaty, but sadly he was pretty much a drunk when he wasn't doing his thing on the field. He told me that a lot of times he'd just spend the night in the stadium because he really had no place to go.


bob1954 - 4/4/2011 at 04:32 AM

OK, one more thing about Tiger Stadium, then I'm done. This, from today's Detroit News:

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Old Tiger Stadium gets a spring cleaning
Mark Hicks / The Detroit News

The old Tiger Stadium site just underwent a bit of spring cleaning.

At least 60 volunteers from local groups including Motor City Blight Busters and the Mower Gang spent a few hours today helping restore the legendary site.

The crews brought shovels and tools to clear brush and whack weeds. They collected 84 bags of debris and installed donated baseball bases, said Tom Nardone, founder of the Mower Gang, which rehabs city parks. "It just looks a lot nicer and cleaner."

The groups also planted more than 1,000 sunflower seeds along the former outfield fence line. Corn could be added when the weather warms, Nardone said.

"By midsummer there should be a fence of sunflowers and corn — like the 'Field of Dreams,'" he said, referring to the 1989 baseball film.


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110403/METRO01/104030338/Old-Tiger-Stadium-get s-a-spring-cleaning#ixzz1IVfMEMSC


DougMacKenzie - 4/4/2011 at 11:02 AM

Rangers bludgeon the BOSOX for 3 straight to start the season. Sweet. If the pitching can hold up, this could be our year.


Lee - 4/4/2011 at 02:23 PM

I know it is early, but this is kinda funny. Orioles in first and Sox & Rays in last.

AL EAST STANDINGS

Baltimore Orioles 3-0
Toronto Blue Jays 2-1
New York Yankees 2-1
Tampa Bay Rays 0-3
Boston Red Sox 0-3


bob1954 - 4/4/2011 at 06:24 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/646090-the-hottest-fan-bases-of-major-le ague-baseball


WharfRat - 4/4/2011 at 11:06 PM

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Rangers bludgeon the BOSOX for 3 straight to start the season


ME ---- >


brofan - 4/4/2011 at 11:14 PM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.

Still kills me
I havent been to the new house yet. Not sure if I ever will..

I felt the same way about Tiger Stadium. It took me 5 years before I ever went to a game at Comerica Park. I still love my memories of the old stadium, but I have to admit the new park is outstanding.

[Edited on 4/3/2011 by bob1954]


I told myself for years I was gonna get to Tiger Stadium and never did.

Still kicking myself....


Stephen - 4/6/2011 at 12:33 AM

The oblique -- not to be found on football, basketball or hockey players, but only on those overpaid hypochondriacs known as baseball players

interesting AP article entitled "The Injury Bug" -- about how strained obliques have taken the measure of numerous ballplayers in the young season --

the year's best so far -- Ubaldo Jiminez, unable to pitch because of "a tender thumb on his pitching hand brought on by a cracked cuticle"

will see about getting that link

I love the game of baseball -- it's the crybabies who play it I don't like -- I mean they're just out of spring training, they're supposed to be in top physical condition -- it's not like baseball is a contact sport, or one that involves a lot of running/cutting/lateral movement etc.

don't like being negative, but the culture of injury in modern-day baseball has detracted from the game for older fans -- really won't beat this dead horse this year


Stephen - 4/6/2011 at 12:35 AM

So far in 2011, oblique injuries a common problem
JANIE McCAULEY,AP Baseball Writer


OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — Manager Bob Geren is already giving out daily injury updates for the Oakland Athletics as he did all last year. So far, though, pretty much just for a pair of key relief pitchers: 2009 AL Rookie of the Year Andrew Bailey and hard-throwing righty Rich Harden.

It's not much different across the bay in San Francisco, where right fielder Cody Ross and bearded closer and 2010 majors saves leader Brian Wilson are down for the reigning World Series champions.

From the Bay Area to Tampa Bay, and Seattle in the Northwest to Milwaukee in the Midwest, many high-profile faces are on baseball's sidelines in early April for the opening weeks of the season.

While some years seem to feature more sore shoulders or pulled hamstrings, strained oblique muscles — those side abdominal muscles running along the ribs — are a common culprit across the league less than a week into 2011.

The Rays placed All-Star third baseman Evan Longoria on the 15-day disabled list Sunday with a strained left oblique muscle — the same injury Wilson hopes to return from soon. Brewers outfielder Corey Hart is also on the DL with the injury.

The Astros' J.A. Happ and Atlanta right-hander Jair Jurrjens are two others nursing oblique strains. Like Longoria, Jurrjens went on the disabled list Sunday.

"Certainly there are a lot of oblique injuries right now — more than typically what you see," Giants athletic trainer Dave Groeschner said. "I'm not 100 percent sure why, whether it's the kind of training players are doing, a lack of training, or if it's just random. Four or five years ago, you saw a lot of Achilles' injuries. Guys are in tune to their core (muscles), so it could be an overuse thing. It's something we have to look at. We have one right now, and that's one too many."

In St. Louis, Cardinals cleanup hitter Matt Holliday is recuperating from an appendectomy last Friday. The All-Star slugger assured his club he didn't need a DL stint and he hopes to be back in the lineup as soon as this weekend.

The Marlins said Tuesday that slugger Mike Stanton is missing time this week with a mild hamstring strain, while Colorado ace Ubaldo Jimenez has a tender thumb on his pitching hand from a cracked cuticle.

The heavily favored Philadelphia Phillies are without All-Star second baseman Chase Utley because of an injured knee and closer Brad Lidge with a strained shoulder, while the Brewers are also down pitcher Zack Greinke — their biggest offseason prize — as he recovers from a cracked rib.

White Sox pitcher Jake Peavy, Reds right-hander Johnny Cueto, Cleveland outfielder Grady Sizemore, Mets left fielder Jason Bay and Padres ace Mat Latos are among the other stars who are out.

So many big-name pitchers are pushing themselves to heal in a hurry, too. Former NL Cy Young Award winner Brandon Webb, now with the AL champion Texas Rangers, is working to return from a 2009 shoulder injury that kept him out all of last season. And Mets ace Johan Santana is sidelined until at least midsummer following shoulder surgery.

Yankees reliever Pedro Feliciano is on the DL for the first time in his career as he begins his ninth big league season after signing an $8 million, two-year free agent deal with New York in January. The lefty led the majors in appearances each of the last three seasons, including a career-high 92 appearances in 2010 for the Mets.

The Mariners are minus closer David Aardsma as he recovers from hip surgery and Gold Glove center fielder Franklin Gutierrez, on the 15-day disabled list with stomach gastritis.

The AL West rival A's used the disabled list 23 times last season, two shy of the franchise record set in 2008 — but Oakland's brass is optimistic added depth on the current roster will help solve the problem this year.

The A's got a big scare in Friday night's season-opening 6-2 loss to the Mariners when catcher Kurt Suzuki went down with a mild left ankle sprain after being clobbered by a scoring Miguel Olivo. It looked much worse, like he might have hurt his lower back or knees.

The durable Suzuki was back in the lineup the next day.

"I thought it was his knee," Geren said. "That was one of those injuries where it was good news."

With only a handful of games in the books so far for most clubs, many managers are already talking about backup plans and the importance of giving players "strategic nights off," as new Seattle skipper Eric Wedge put it when referring to Olivo. The catcher is recovering from a groin injury and came in to pinch-run for Adam Moore in Saturday night's victory against the A's.

Olivo ran the bases during Seattle's winning ninth-inning rally, and that was enough to make Wedge a little nervous. Infielder Adam Kennedy would likely be the next catcher — and he has no experience as a backstop.

"I threw it out there the other day and Adam Kennedy jumped up and said, 'I'll do it.' So, I said, 'You got it,'" Wedge said.

Yet managers around the league certainly hope they don't have to go to such second and third options at this early stage. For some, there's been no choice.


emr - 4/6/2011 at 12:39 AM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.

Still kills me
I havent been to the new house yet. Not sure if I ever will..

I felt the same way about Tiger Stadium. It took me 5 years before I ever went to a game at Comerica Park. I still love my memories of the old stadium, but I have to admit the new park is outstanding.

[Edited on 4/3/2011 by bob1954]


I told myself for years I was gonna get to Tiger Stadium and never did.

Still kicking myself....


What kills me is the charade that these new stadiums are privately financed. With taxes, bonds, etc in one way or another we are all paying the tab for new stadiums that hold fewer people (an attempt to get rid of the rif-raff in exchange for corporate boxes that are tax subsidized) realize greater capital for the owners yet essentially exclude the fans


DougMacKenzie - 4/6/2011 at 02:47 PM

Rangers start out 5-0. Sweet.


Bhawk - 4/6/2011 at 02:52 PM

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I cannot believe they played ball in the Bronx today but the good guys one so all was good!!!


My first - and only - game at old Yankee Stadium was on Easter Sunday in '07 when I was in NYC for the Beacon final weekend and I sat in the right field bleachers with all the Dominican gangbangers - and it snowed.

I didn't care. I was in Yankee Stadium......Hallowed Ground it there ever was any.

Still kills me
I havent been to the new house yet. Not sure if I ever will..

I felt the same way about Tiger Stadium. It took me 5 years before I ever went to a game at Comerica Park. I still love my memories of the old stadium, but I have to admit the new park is outstanding.

[Edited on 4/3/2011 by bob1954]


I told myself for years I was gonna get to Tiger Stadium and never did.

Still kicking myself....


What kills me is the charade that these new stadiums are privately financed. With taxes, bonds, etc in one way or another we are all paying the tab for new stadiums that hold fewer people (an attempt to get rid of the rif-raff in exchange for corporate boxes that are tax subsidized) realize greater capital for the owners yet essentially exclude the fans


Here in KC, the Royals and Chiefs used some (not all) taxpayer money to renovate and update the existing stadiums. The results are incredible.


Bhawk - 4/6/2011 at 02:52 PM

Speaking of the Royals, they are 4-1....


Lee - 4/6/2011 at 05:19 PM

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Speaking of the Royals, they are 4-1....



I told ya MLB needs to break them up!


bob1954 - 4/6/2011 at 06:31 PM

Hmmm...

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Were New York Yankees cheating against Tigers?
By Ian Casselberry, MLive.com Contributor

The New York Yankees scored 23 runs in three games against Tigers pitching in their season-opening series. But were the Yankees so successful because they were cheating?

On Opening Day, Keith Olbermann tweeted this photo of a Yankees employee sitting behind the plate wearing a headset and giving signals to batters in the on-deck circle about which types of pitches were just thrown.



After the New York Daily News reported this, MLB reminded the Yankees that using hand signals to convey pitch types is against the rules.

But it doesn't appear the Yankees will get in any real trouble for this. General manager Brian Cashman explained that the team used a coaching assistant to relay the velocity of pitches to Yankees hitters because the scoreboard was malfunctioning and couldn't show radar gun readings. That appears to be good enough for MLB, but the coach will not be allowed to sit behind the plate until there is clarification about the rule.

Cashman later joked with Olbermann that the coach was really ordering beers.


http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b8QYb


Lee - 4/7/2011 at 11:55 AM

At least the Red Sox have been consistent so far.


Stephen - 4/7/2011 at 03:10 PM

AP had an interesting editorial opinion in its summary of the game last night

"from Cape Cod to Cambridge, the panic buttons are glowing..."

a catchy phrase, yes -- a true statement, no -- no one I know is panic-ing -- some journalists won't let the facts of the matter interfere with a catchy phrase I guess

It was a bummer, however, to see Tek blow that play at home plate last night

let's see where things are at in another month or so -- in the meantime, hey AP, take your panic buttons and shove 'em


bob1954 - 4/7/2011 at 06:23 PM

quote:
AP had an interesting editorial opinion in its summary of the game last night

"from Cape Cod to Cambridge, the panic buttons are glowing..."

a catchy phrase, yes -- a true statement, no -- no one I know is panic-ing -- some journalists won't let the facts of the matter interfere with a catchy phrase I guess

It was a bummer, however, to see Tek blow that play at home plate last night

let's see where things are at in another month or so -- in the meantime, hey AP, take your panic buttons and shove 'em

Tigers are off to a 2-3 start. I was about to panic until I read this. It had a calming effect. Thanks!


Lee - 4/7/2011 at 06:44 PM

What a game between the Indians & Red Sux. How can you make a baserunning blunder like that to lose a game. Sheesh.....


alloak41 - 4/8/2011 at 02:32 AM

quote:
let's see where things are at in another month or so -- in the meantime, hey AP, take your panic buttons and shove 'em


LaRussa walked out of a presser, aggravated because four writers asked him why the Cards aren't hitting after six games. Makes you wonder if people who are paid to know understand the game of baseball, much less a baseball season.


Lee - 4/9/2011 at 05:53 PM

God I can't stand Joe Buck & Tim McCarver. During today's Sox/Yanks game this gem from McCarver:

"As a runner trying to score from 3rd if you look at the catcher and he's getting ready to catch the ball, you know the ball is coming".


Gee thanks.


leafsfan - 4/9/2011 at 06:14 PM

Jays 5-2!!!!


Lee - 4/9/2011 at 06:22 PM

quote:
quote:
let's see where things are at in another month or so -- in the meantime, hey AP, take your panic buttons and shove 'em


LaRussa walked out of a presser, aggravated because four writers asked him why the Cards aren't hitting after six games. Makes you wonder if people who are paid to know understand the game of baseball, much less a baseball season.



They have to ask something. That's what they do. Many in the media seem to enjoy being in the spotlight, as if they are entertainers. Ask a stupid / provocative question and see what happens I guess.


bob1954 - 4/9/2011 at 06:36 PM

quote:
God I can't stand Joe Buck & Tim McCarver. During today's Sox/Yanks game this gem from McCarver:

"As a runner trying to score from 3rd if you look at the catcher and he's getting ready to catch the ball, you know the ball is coming".


Gee thanks.

He was talking to my wife at that point.


Lee - 4/9/2011 at 06:42 PM

quote:
quote:
God I can't stand Joe Buck & Tim McCarver. During today's Sox/Yanks game this gem from McCarver:

"As a runner trying to score from 3rd if you look at the catcher and he's getting ready to catch the ball, you know the ball is coming".


Gee thanks.

He was talking to my wife at that point.



Joe Morgan is worse. Masters of explaining the obvious.


phillybob - 4/10/2011 at 01:20 AM

How about them Phillies!!


WharfRat - 4/10/2011 at 11:50 AM

quote:
How about them Phillies!!


Yea, Cole Hammel's 20.25 ERA is fantastic


Lee - 4/10/2011 at 12:47 PM

And you now have Carlos Silva. How many pitching retreads can the Yanks use?


Lee - 4/10/2011 at 01:11 PM

Freddy Garcia?


Lee - 4/10/2011 at 01:12 PM

Bartolo Colon??


Lee - 4/10/2011 at 01:13 PM

Kevin Millwood??? Sheesh...


alloak41 - 4/10/2011 at 05:21 PM

Who would want to deal with that jet stream? A routine fly ball to right at the new stadium ends up in the bleachers.


WharfRat - 4/11/2011 at 10:51 AM

quote:
And you now have Carlos Silva. How many pitching retreads can the Yanks use?


One of em's gotta stick right?

No risk moves.. if they suck, just dump'em. I believe they are all making the minimum..


DougMacKenzie - 4/11/2011 at 11:03 AM

Rangers open the season 8-1.


Lee - 4/11/2011 at 12:12 PM

quote:
Rangers open the season 8-1.



And I think the Cowboys are already 1-8.




DougMacKenzie - 4/11/2011 at 01:29 PM

quote:
quote:
Rangers open the season 8-1.



And I think the Cowboys are already 1-8.



Very funny.


DanB - 4/11/2011 at 03:06 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Rangers open the season 8-1.



And I think the Cowboys are already 1-8.



Very funny.


but true


Brendan - 4/11/2011 at 03:07 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Rangers open the season 8-1.



And I think the Cowboys are already 1-8.



Very funny.
Wait, it's not?


Bhawk - 4/11/2011 at 03:28 PM

Royals off to an excellent start. The imminent crash should begin any day now.


SpyNet - 4/12/2011 at 03:56 PM

quote:
Royals off to an excellent start. The imminent crash should begin any day now.
Perhaps not. They are cited as being only a year or so away from being a true contender. They may reach maturity collectively a year sooner..!


bob1954 - 4/13/2011 at 09:37 PM

Hey now, the Tigers win 2 of 3 against the Rangers! Maybe they will finally get some traction and start adding to the win column. Now it's off to the west coast for Oakland and Seattle.


IPowrie - 4/13/2011 at 10:27 PM

quote:
Hey now, the Tigers win 2 of 3 against the Rangers! Maybe they will finally get some traction and start adding to the win column. Now it's off to the west coast for Oakland and Seattle.


Very good games today. Plus a walk off homer to win it


DougMacKenzie - 4/14/2011 at 01:00 AM

quote:
Hey now, the Tigers win 2 of 3 against the Rangers! Maybe they will finally get some traction and start adding to the win column. Now it's off to the west coast for Oakland and Seattle.

Hamilton missed everything but the first inning of the first loss and all of the second, out 6-8 weeks with a broken arm. Just when things were looking good. I guess that's the way baseball go.


Lee - 4/14/2011 at 09:54 AM

quote:
quote:
Hey now, the Tigers win 2 of 3 against the Rangers! Maybe they will finally get some traction and start adding to the win column. Now it's off to the west coast for Oakland and Seattle.

Hamilton missed everything but the first inning of the first loss and all of the second, out 6-8 weeks with a broken arm. Just when things were looking good. I guess that's the way baseball go.





Baseball go? You Texans talk funny.


bob1954 - 4/14/2011 at 11:43 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Hey now, the Tigers win 2 of 3 against the Rangers! Maybe they will finally get some traction and start adding to the win column. Now it's off to the west coast for Oakland and Seattle.

Hamilton missed everything but the first inning of the first loss and all of the second, out 6-8 weeks with a broken arm. Just when things were looking good. I guess that's the way baseball go.


Baseball go? You Texans talk funny.

Yes they does.


Bhawk - 4/14/2011 at 05:52 PM

quote:
Report: MLB leans toward extra replay

NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball is leaning toward expanding replay for the 2012 season to include trapped balls and fair-or-foul rulings down the lines, a person familiar with the talks tells The Associated Press.

Commissioner Bud Selig and a group of umpires discussed the extra video review at spring training and were in agreement, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the matter is still being discussed.


"Yeah to all of them, oh yeah," St. Louis reliever Ryan Franklin said. "I just think they should all be called the right way, and it doesn't matter if it takes an extra five minutes."

"Don't take so long between innings, cut 10 seconds off between every half-inning and that could make up for five minutes for the replay on a trapped ball or something like that," he said. "It doesn't happen that often."

Baseball began using replay late in the 2008 season, though only to check potential home run balls. The NFL, NBA, NHL and the NCAA had already employed instant replay.

Since then, there have been a spate of missed calls in the playoffs and World Series.

Last October, Yankees right fielder Greg Golson clearly caught a low liner for the final out of Game 1 in New York's playoff series against Minnesota, but the umpire ruled the ball bounced. In the 2009 AL playoffs, Joe Mauer's looper down the left-field line landed fair by a full foot at Yankee Stadium, hopped into the seats and was mistakenly called a foul ball.

Out-or-safe calls on the bases, like the one that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game last year, would not be subject to review. Nor would ball-or-strike decisions.

Players and umpires approved adding replay three years ago. MLB's contract with the umpires runs through the 2014 season; the labor deal with players expires this December.

Selig's special committee for on-field matters, a 14-man panel that includes managers, general managers and team executives, also is said to favor the additional replay for next year.

Others are more leery.

"I think it might be too much if you do that. Then you have to do it for everything, strikes, I think it's just a tough call," Seattle third baseman Chone Figgins said. "To have those guys go back and look at replay for everything, it would be just too long unless they had a signal from upstairs and hit a button."

Said San Francisco's Aubrey Huff: "You're messing with the history of the game when you start messing with too much."

"We make mistakes, they make mistakes. You're talking big home runs, that's one thing. You're talking out or safe at home, then why have umpires? Let the cameras make the calls. It's just stupid," he said.

Tracking whether a ball lands fair or foul could be achieved with enhanced technology, experts say. Grand Slam tennis has replay for line calls, using a multi-camera system aimed at fixed points.

Judging whether a ball is caught or not could be more tricky. Then again, the NFL sorts out catch-or-no catch by reviewing broadcast shots from several angles.

"I think that the fair-foul thing, I'd be more in favor of that than the trap," San Diego third baseman Chase Headley said. "Not that I'm against it, but I just think that it seems like that would be a pretty simple, quick thing."

"I don't think you want to drag the game on too long, so you don't want to go too overboard with it," he said. "I could see it happening, but I think that if they're going to keep adding stuff they should do it little by little to kind of see how it goes."

Detroit catcher Alex Avila called himself a "purist."

"The human element of the game, to me, is one of the best parts about baseball," he said. "Honestly, if they didn't have replay at all, that wouldn't bother me."

Los Angeles Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp could be helped -- or hurt -- by reviews on balls hit his way.

"Sometimes you're going to be on that side where you want a replay and then sometimes you're going to be on the side where you don't want a replay," the Gold Glover said. "I say you just keep it the way it is and let the umpires decide what it is and go on about playing the game."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6353837




Replay good, IMO.


bob1954 - 4/14/2011 at 06:21 PM

quote:
quote:
Report: MLB leans toward extra replay

NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball is leaning toward expanding replay for the 2012 season to include trapped balls and fair-or-foul rulings down the lines, a person familiar with the talks tells The Associated Press.

Commissioner Bud Selig and a group of umpires discussed the extra video review at spring training and were in agreement, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the matter is still being discussed.


"Yeah to all of them, oh yeah," St. Louis reliever Ryan Franklin said. "I just think they should all be called the right way, and it doesn't matter if it takes an extra five minutes."

"Don't take so long between innings, cut 10 seconds off between every half-inning and that could make up for five minutes for the replay on a trapped ball or something like that," he said. "It doesn't happen that often."

Baseball began using replay late in the 2008 season, though only to check potential home run balls. The NFL, NBA, NHL and the NCAA had already employed instant replay.

Since then, there have been a spate of missed calls in the playoffs and World Series.

Last October, Yankees right fielder Greg Golson clearly caught a low liner for the final out of Game 1 in New York's playoff series against Minnesota, but the umpire ruled the ball bounced. In the 2009 AL playoffs, Joe Mauer's looper down the left-field line landed fair by a full foot at Yankee Stadium, hopped into the seats and was mistakenly called a foul ball.

Out-or-safe calls on the bases, like the one that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game last year, would not be subject to review. Nor would ball-or-strike decisions.

Players and umpires approved adding replay three years ago. MLB's contract with the umpires runs through the 2014 season; the labor deal with players expires this December.

Selig's special committee for on-field matters, a 14-man panel that includes managers, general managers and team executives, also is said to favor the additional replay for next year.

Others are more leery.

"I think it might be too much if you do that. Then you have to do it for everything, strikes, I think it's just a tough call," Seattle third baseman Chone Figgins said. "To have those guys go back and look at replay for everything, it would be just too long unless they had a signal from upstairs and hit a button."

Said San Francisco's Aubrey Huff: "You're messing with the history of the game when you start messing with too much."

"We make mistakes, they make mistakes. You're talking big home runs, that's one thing. You're talking out or safe at home, then why have umpires? Let the cameras make the calls. It's just stupid," he said.

Tracking whether a ball lands fair or foul could be achieved with enhanced technology, experts say. Grand Slam tennis has replay for line calls, using a multi-camera system aimed at fixed points.

Judging whether a ball is caught or not could be more tricky. Then again, the NFL sorts out catch-or-no catch by reviewing broadcast shots from several angles.

"I think that the fair-foul thing, I'd be more in favor of that than the trap," San Diego third baseman Chase Headley said. "Not that I'm against it, but I just think that it seems like that would be a pretty simple, quick thing."

"I don't think you want to drag the game on too long, so you don't want to go too overboard with it," he said. "I could see it happening, but I think that if they're going to keep adding stuff they should do it little by little to kind of see how it goes."

Detroit catcher Alex Avila called himself a "purist."

"The human element of the game, to me, is one of the best parts about baseball," he said. "Honestly, if they didn't have replay at all, that wouldn't bother me."

Los Angeles Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp could be helped -- or hurt -- by reviews on balls hit his way.

"Sometimes you're going to be on that side where you want a replay and then sometimes you're going to be on the side where you don't want a replay," the Gold Glover said. "I say you just keep it the way it is and let the umpires decide what it is and go on about playing the game."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6353837




Replay good, IMO.

It may be down the road a bit, but I expect one day they will seriously consider using computers and cameras to determine balls and strikes. If they do I'll quit watching. I don't want to see a player ejected for cussing at a computer.


alloak41 - 4/15/2011 at 03:35 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Report: MLB leans toward extra replay

NEW YORK -- Major League Baseball is leaning toward expanding replay for the 2012 season to include trapped balls and fair-or-foul rulings down the lines, a person familiar with the talks tells The Associated Press.

Commissioner Bud Selig and a group of umpires discussed the extra video review at spring training and were in agreement, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the matter is still being discussed.


"Yeah to all of them, oh yeah," St. Louis reliever Ryan Franklin said. "I just think they should all be called the right way, and it doesn't matter if it takes an extra five minutes."

"Don't take so long between innings, cut 10 seconds off between every half-inning and that could make up for five minutes for the replay on a trapped ball or something like that," he said. "It doesn't happen that often."

Baseball began using replay late in the 2008 season, though only to check potential home run balls. The NFL, NBA, NHL and the NCAA had already employed instant replay.

Since then, there have been a spate of missed calls in the playoffs and World Series.

Last October, Yankees right fielder Greg Golson clearly caught a low liner for the final out of Game 1 in New York's playoff series against Minnesota, but the umpire ruled the ball bounced. In the 2009 AL playoffs, Joe Mauer's looper down the left-field line landed fair by a full foot at Yankee Stadium, hopped into the seats and was mistakenly called a foul ball.

Out-or-safe calls on the bases, like the one that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game last year, would not be subject to review. Nor would ball-or-strike decisions.

Players and umpires approved adding replay three years ago. MLB's contract with the umpires runs through the 2014 season; the labor deal with players expires this December.

Selig's special committee for on-field matters, a 14-man panel that includes managers, general managers and team executives, also is said to favor the additional replay for next year.

Others are more leery.

"I think it might be too much if you do that. Then you have to do it for everything, strikes, I think it's just a tough call," Seattle third baseman Chone Figgins said. "To have those guys go back and look at replay for everything, it would be just too long unless they had a signal from upstairs and hit a button."

Said San Francisco's Aubrey Huff: "You're messing with the history of the game when you start messing with too much."

"We make mistakes, they make mistakes. You're talking big home runs, that's one thing. You're talking out or safe at home, then why have umpires? Let the cameras make the calls. It's just stupid," he said.

Tracking whether a ball lands fair or foul could be achieved with enhanced technology, experts say. Grand Slam tennis has replay for line calls, using a multi-camera system aimed at fixed points.

Judging whether a ball is caught or not could be more tricky. Then again, the NFL sorts out catch-or-no catch by reviewing broadcast shots from several angles.

"I think that the fair-foul thing, I'd be more in favor of that than the trap," San Diego third baseman Chase Headley said. "Not that I'm against it, but I just think that it seems like that would be a pretty simple, quick thing."

"I don't think you want to drag the game on too long, so you don't want to go too overboard with it," he said. "I could see it happening, but I think that if they're going to keep adding stuff they should do it little by little to kind of see how it goes."

Detroit catcher Alex Avila called himself a "purist."

"The human element of the game, to me, is one of the best parts about baseball," he said. "Honestly, if they didn't have replay at all, that wouldn't bother me."

Los Angeles Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp could be helped -- or hurt -- by reviews on balls hit his way.

"Sometimes you're going to be on that side where you want a replay and then sometimes you're going to be on the side where you don't want a replay," the Gold Glover said. "I say you just keep it the way it is and let the umpires decide what it is and go on about playing the game."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6353837




Replay good, IMO.

It may be down the road a bit, but I expect one day they will seriously consider using computers and cameras to determine balls and strikes. If they do I'll quit watching. I don't want to see a player ejected for cussing at a computer.


Bobby Cox would have had a nervous breakdown.


Lee - 4/15/2011 at 10:31 AM

quote:

Replay good, IMO.

It may be down the road a bit, but I expect one day they will seriously consider using computers and cameras to determine balls and strikes. If they do I'll quit watching. I don't want to see a player ejected for cussing at a computer.



I don't think it'll ever get to that point. I hope they stick to fair or foul, home run or not scenarios.

As a Tiger fan, I was sad when Galaraga lost his perfect game last season to a missed call but I feel that human element should be kept.


Lee - 4/16/2011 at 12:10 PM

Red Sox have the worst record in baseball. Who saw that coming?


Another "great" outing by Booby Jenks last night. Man that guy stinks.


bob1954 - 4/16/2011 at 01:14 PM

Tigers score 7 runs in the 10th to beat Oakland 8-4. Detroit has a 4 game win streak going. Watch out!


Lee - 4/17/2011 at 03:08 PM

Indians & Royals tied for first in the A.L. Central and Twinkies in last. Wild!


fanfrom-71 - 4/17/2011 at 03:22 PM

I just talked to Chuck. He couldn't find a sharp stick to poke in his eye, so he's going to a Ray's game.
Now THAT'S gonna' hurt!!!


Lee - 4/17/2011 at 03:27 PM

Tampa vs. Minnesota. Why? Why go?


fanfrom-71 - 4/17/2011 at 03:33 PM

quote:
Tampa vs. Minnesota. Why? Why go?
Hey. It could be worse.
He could be going to see Boston!


Lee - 4/17/2011 at 04:18 PM

quote:
quote:
Tampa vs. Minnesota. Why? Why go?
Hey. It could be worse.
He could be going to see Boston!




Do they still have a team?


alloak41 - 4/18/2011 at 02:22 AM

A few shots I took at the Barons game today...






Great day for Southern League Baseball...

Chattanooga 7
Birmingham 2


bob1954 - 4/18/2011 at 12:01 PM

quote:
Great day for Southern League Baseball...

Chattanooga 7
Birmingham 2

I went to the Asheville Tourists vs. Lexington Legends game (South Atlantic League).

Lexington 18 runs 20 hits 2 errors
Asheville 9 runs 13 hits 3 errors

It was a crazy game on a beautiful Sunday afternoon.


alloak41 - 4/18/2011 at 02:57 PM

quote:
quote:
Great day for Southern League Baseball...

Chattanooga 7
Birmingham 2

I went to the Asheville Tourists vs. Lexington Legends game (South Atlantic League).

Lexington 18 runs 20 hits 2 errors
Asheville 9 runs 13 hits 3 errors

It was a crazy game on a beautiful Sunday afternoon.


I'd like to go back tonight. Jake Peavey is pitching for the Barons vs. Mississippi.


WharfRat - 4/18/2011 at 03:25 PM

quote:
quote:
Tampa vs. Minnesota. Why? Why go?
Hey. It could be worse.
He could be going to see Boston!


Any day the Rays lose its a good day!

And OMG what a butt ugly "stadium"

VERY narrow halls too. Its a good thing thier attendance is poor, or that could get ugly

Funny story though. I was in the concession line and the dude working there was messing with the girl in front of me who was inTwins gear. Something about charging her double
Her reply was " but who has more World Series titles?".
Me in my Yankee gear said " WE DO"


Lee - 4/18/2011 at 04:16 PM

Did she beat you up?


Bhawk - 4/18/2011 at 04:17 PM

Battle of the top of the AL Central begins tonight in...Kansas City?


fanfrom-71 - 4/18/2011 at 04:57 PM

quote:
Did she beat you up?
She was a Twins fan,not Boston!
Never said the Trop was purty Chuck. Just nice n cool in July/August.
Did you hit a backup on your way through Tampa 'cause of a wreck on the Howard Frankenstein bridge ?


WharfRat - 4/18/2011 at 09:30 PM

quote:
quote:
Did she beat you up?
She was a Twins fan,not Boston!
Never said the Trop was purty Chuck. Just nice n cool in July/August.
Did you hit a backup on your way through Tampa 'cause of a wreck on the Howard Frankenstein bridge ?


OMG yea

We went from having plenty of time to kill to barely making first pitch..


SpyNet - 4/19/2011 at 12:05 PM

I may be bias, but I have yet to see a new stadium compare to my Camden yards. I haven't been to all of them yet, but by photos and accounts from people, we are still right up there.
...now if I can only get my team back into contention.
What happened to the plan to split up the divisions? i would love to get away from the evil empires that reside in my division


Silvio


bob1954 - 4/19/2011 at 01:15 PM

quote:
I may be bias, but I have yet to see a new stadium compare to my Camden yards. I haven't been to all of them yet, but by photos and accounts from people, we are still right up there.
...now if I can only get my team back into contention.
What happened to the plan to split up the divisions? i would love to get away from the evil empires that reside in my division


Silvio

I agree about Camden Yards. Baltimore started the movement towards constructing more traditional outdoor stadiums to replace the sanitary looking white round and often domed travesties that were built in the 60's and 70's. Many cities now have fantastic stadiums as a result.


fanfrom-71 - 4/19/2011 at 02:14 PM

Well who woulda thunk it a week ago? Tampa Bay tied for second place in the AL East!
We're right on your heels Wharf dude.
Sorry you got caught up in that traffic jam, man. It don't take much to turn the Interstate into a parking lot around here.


IPowrie - 4/20/2011 at 01:08 AM

Tigers should get back to .500 tonight in Seattle. Phil Coke on the mound and hes looked good so far starting. Now the offense needs to be more consistent


alloak41 - 4/20/2011 at 02:41 AM

Looking over some stats, noticed that Braves pitchers have yet to collect a base hit through the first 17 games. Thats 0-for-29 with 16 K's if you're keeping score at home...


bob1954 - 4/20/2011 at 06:34 AM

quote:
Tigers should get back to .500 tonight in Seattle. Phil Coke on the mound and hes looked good so far starting. Now the offense needs to be more consistent

Just when you think you have them figured out....

Tigers lose to Seattle 13-3. Coke lasts 3 2/3 innings, giving up 6 hits and 4 walks.


WharfRat - 4/20/2011 at 01:29 PM

quote:
Well who woulda thunk it a week ago? Tampa Bay tied for second place in the AL East!
We're right on your heels Wharf dude.



Bring it


Stephen - 4/20/2011 at 03:44 PM

It doesn't look like Joe Mauer has too much more catching left in him -- on the DL for "bilateral leg weakness" -- Justin M too, out 3 straight games w/flu-like symptoms, according to the report -- maybe they'll get 300 or so at-bats from Justin this year -- you know it's a beeline to the DL if it's so much as too bright a day -- that tends to affect concussions

"bilateral leg weakness" -- it shows how far medicine has progressed in baseball -- trying to be positive -- "flu-like symptoms" -- aka a touch of a cold in the real world, but it's brought down many a ballplayer

again, two great ballplayers -- hopefully not getting over the hill prematurely

Go Sox -- we'll be fine


Stephen - 4/21/2011 at 03:49 PM

quote:
Battle of the top of the AL Central begins tonight in...Kansas City?


Nobody came though -- attendance listed at 10G -- still, good to see two anonymous teams off to a good start -- would've been higher if it was a weekend

Go Sox -- road warriors


WharfRat - 4/21/2011 at 05:31 PM

Bartolo Colon?

Really?


gondicar - 4/21/2011 at 05:52 PM

quote:
Bartolo Colon?

Really?




Yeah, go figure. Too bad the Sox can't get pitchers lik...huh? What's that? He did?

Errrr, never mind.


SpyNet - 4/22/2011 at 02:17 PM

My O's on a 2 game winning streak come home to face the Evil Empire Yankees. I would love to take a trip down if I could convince the Mrs.
You all watch Nick Markakis much? he is our shining star. Such a solid player with an obvious high baseball IQ.
Many players have talent, but the smarts? That's a rare gift indeed. When you see guys making the 1st out at third, and throwing home to try and nab a runner that means nothing while allowing the tying run to get to scoring position, it can make you crazy. these are things taught in LL!


Stephen - 4/22/2011 at 04:59 PM

Same thing last night, only less (9,000, Cleve. at KC)
it's like a ski area I guess -- no one goes during the week, then bombed weekends -- even this probably wouldn't sell out weekends though, that's Cardinals territory

Play on, Sox


WharfRat - 4/22/2011 at 11:29 PM

quote:
My O's on a 2 game winning streak come home to face the Evil Empire Yankees. I would love to take a trip down if I could convince the Mrs.
You all watch Nick Markakis much? he is our shining star. Such a solid player with an obvious high baseball IQ.
Many players have talent, but the smarts? That's a rare gift indeed. When you see guys making the 1st out at third, and throwing home to try and nab a runner that means nothing while allowing the tying run to get to scoring position, it can make you crazy. these are things taught in LL!


Definately one of the most underrated players in theleague for sure.
Too bad we got rained out tonight


SpyNet - 4/23/2011 at 09:26 AM

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My O's on a 2 game winning streak come home to face the Evil Empire Yankees. I would love to take a trip down if I could convince the Mrs.
You all watch Nick Markakis much? he is our shining star. Such a solid player with an obvious high baseball IQ.
Many players have talent, but the smarts? That's a rare gift indeed. When you see guys making the 1st out at third, and throwing home to try and nab a runner that means nothing while allowing the tying run to get to scoring position, it can make you crazy. these are things taught in LL!


Definately one of the most underrated players in theleague for sure.
Too bad we got rained out tonight

Thanks for noticing, but when you say "we", your not talking you and I are you?
you..you...evil empirer you!
Hope they get a game in today. Yanks have now what?...4 rainouts to make up?


alloak41 - 4/23/2011 at 03:16 PM

Wow. Just got an email from the old man. They've been trying for two years to sell their house and property, a small ranch north of San Antonio. Billy Martin, Jr came out yesterday to take a look at the property! He's a sports agent out of Arlington who is partnered with Phil Pepe's son. Hope he pulls the trigger.


DanB - 4/23/2011 at 03:51 PM

quote:
Wow. Just got an email from the old man. They've been trying for two years to sell their house and property, a small ranch north of San Antonio. Billy Martin, Jr came out yesterday to take a look at the property! He's a sports agent out of Arlington who is partnered with Phil Pepe's son. Hope he pulls the trigger.


pull the trigger like his dad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5t_9PKffmM


WharfRat - 4/23/2011 at 11:19 PM

quote:
quote:
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My O's on a 2 game winning streak come home to face the Evil Empire Yankees. I would love to take a trip down if I could convince the Mrs.
You all watch Nick Markakis much? he is our shining star. Such a solid player with an obvious high baseball IQ.
Many players have talent, but the smarts? That's a rare gift indeed. When you see guys making the 1st out at third, and throwing home to try and nab a runner that means nothing while allowing the tying run to get to scoring position, it can make you crazy. these are things taught in LL!


Definately one of the most underrated players in theleague for sure.
Too bad we got rained out tonight

Thanks for noticing, but when you say "we", your not talking you and I are you?
you..you...evil empirer you!
Hope they get a game in today. Yanks have now what?...4 rainouts to make up?


Yea, its crazy..

But what is worse is that they have only played 4..yes FOUR road games so far.
Obviously that will come back to bite them at some point.
Yikes.


SpyNet - 4/24/2011 at 12:52 PM

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My O's on a 2 game winning streak come home to face the Evil Empire Yankees. I would love to take a trip down if I could convince the Mrs.
You all watch Nick Markakis much? he is our shining star. Such a solid player with an obvious high baseball IQ.
Many players have talent, but the smarts? That's a rare gift indeed. When you see guys making the 1st out at third, and throwing home to try and nab a runner that means nothing while allowing the tying run to get to scoring position, it can make you crazy. these are things taught in LL!


Definately one of the most underrated players in theleague for sure.
Too bad we got rained out tonight

Thanks for noticing, but when you say "we", your not talking you and I are you?
you..you...evil empirer you!
Hope they get a game in today. Yanks have now what?...4 rainouts to make up?


Yea, its crazy..

But what is worse is that they have only played 4..yes FOUR road games so far.
Obviously that will come back to bite them at some point.
Yikes.


I heard MLB tonight last night talking bout the Yankees, and how they are not "hitting".
Only Home Runs, and that will come back to bite them.
So today, I think Arod and Texiera should bunt the runners over..show them they can play small ball.
Think you can do that, ...please.


Lee - 4/24/2011 at 01:36 PM

My Tiggers are finally over .500 for the first time this season.


gondicar - 4/24/2011 at 02:02 PM

Red Sox 1st 8 games: 1-7
Red Sox last 8 games: 7-1

Starting pitching has come around. DiceK just 2 hits and 0 runs on last 2 starts (15 innings)...didn't see that coming but I'll take it.

What a Bruins game last night!

Happy Easter!


Stephen - 4/24/2011 at 09:07 PM

Baseball medicine -- it's the most burgeoning field there is

here's the newest baseball injury
after consulting the best minds in the field (of baseball medicine), a new term has come up to go along with the obliques, hamate bones, hip flexors etc

Seattle's Franklin Guttierez
out indefinitely with "Irritable Bowel Sundrome" (according to the paper -- no not the toilet paper)

Among mortal humans, this would be hemerroids maybe?? (I have no idea, have never heard of this before) -- or some sort of constipation?

It's a big pain in the ass for Mr. Gutierrez -- not for the bozo who's probably paid $70-$80G to come up with these terms


on a happier note, good to see Justin Morneau starting to swing the bat for the Twins

most of all, go Sox -- wish we could play LAAA all the time


[Edited on 4/24/2011 by Stephen]


WharfRat - 4/25/2011 at 01:55 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
My O's on a 2 game winning streak come home to face the Evil Empire Yankees. I would love to take a trip down if I could convince the Mrs.
You all watch Nick Markakis much? he is our shining star. Such a solid player with an obvious high baseball IQ.
Many players have talent, but the smarts? That's a rare gift indeed. When you see guys making the 1st out at third, and throwing home to try and nab a runner that means nothing while allowing the tying run to get to scoring position, it can make you crazy. these are things taught in LL!


Definately one of the most underrated players in theleague for sure.
Too bad we got rained out tonight

Thanks for noticing, but when you say "we", your not talking you and I are you?
you..you...evil empirer you!
Hope they get a game in today. Yanks have now what?...4 rainouts to make up?


Yea, its crazy..

But what is worse is that they have only played 4..yes FOUR road games so far.
Obviously that will come back to bite them at some point.
Yikes.


I heard MLB tonight last night talking bout the Yankees, and how they are not "hitting".
Only Home Runs, and that will come back to bite them.
So today, I think Arod and Texiera should bunt the runners over..show them they can play small ball.
Think you can do that, ...please.



WharfRat - 4/25/2011 at 01:56 AM

So the Great Rivera has blown saves in a row.

Dump his @ss NOW!
There has to be some sucker to take this bum off our hands!


WharfRat - 4/25/2011 at 01:56 AM


WharfRat - 4/25/2011 at 01:58 AM

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Seattle's Franklin Guttierez
out indefinitely with "Irritable Bowel Sundrome" (according to the paper -- no not the toilet paper)

Among mortal humans, this would be hemerroids maybe?? (I have no idea, have never heard of this before) -- or some sort of constipation?



Without getting too graphic..

I think this means he poops.
ALOT
Often

I can see where this would be a problem on the ballfield

I would give him a pass this time


fanfrom-71 - 4/25/2011 at 02:40 AM

Just stopping by to say to Chuck............






























HOW 'BOUT THOSE RAYS?!


WharfRat - 4/25/2011 at 10:16 AM

Who??


michaelsio - 4/25/2011 at 10:39 AM

quote:
quote:
Seattle's Franklin Guttierez
out indefinitely with "Irritable Bowel Sundrome" (according to the paper -- no not the toilet paper)

Among mortal humans, this would be hemerroids maybe?? (I have no idea, have never heard of this before) -- or some sort of constipation?



Without getting too graphic..

I think this means he poops.
ALOT
Often

I can see where this would be a problem on the ballfield

I would give him a pass this time


Not only that, you suffer a great deal of pain. I have a friend who has this.


Stephen - 4/25/2011 at 02:34 PM

diarrea I guess --
have never heard it referred to as "irritable bowel syndrome" before -- many new terms pop up in baseball medicine, such as Kaz Matsui's "anal fissure" from a few years ago, the "inflammation of the heart lining" someone got last year, the "bilateral leg weakness" that's sidelined Joe Mauer -- and on & on...

Ivan deJesus tearing his ACL 2 years ago while putting on his shin guard in the on-deck circle -- the Cubs' Derrek Lee going on the DL after his teammates congratulated him too vigorously after hitting a HR, injuring his neck...

any nick or ding makes it tough to take the field -- that's the nature of modern-day baseball -- there haven't been as many "strained hip flexors" so far this year as in the past though, that's good -- I agree, if I had the sh!ts I wouldn't wanna be out there -- maybe "irritable bowel syndrome" is baseball lingo for flaming-sh!t syndrome -- now those are not fun -- when it feels like your crack is on fire while sitting on the pot -- had it a few times before, thankfully it never lasted very long (a day, maybe 2)

go Sox -- I told ya we'd be fine -- healing vibes to all you MLBers

[Edited on 4/25/2011 by Stephen]

[Edited on 4/26/2011 by Stephen]


Stephen - 4/29/2011 at 03:04 PM

Very good read in this morning's paper (headline "Good Seats Available")

more shocking than the decline in attendance, is the population decline -- the article focuses in on Rust Belt cities Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cleveland and Cincinnati

the economic climate is in such decline in these cities & the midwest in general, the article says, that it's had a direct effect on attendance at the 4 parks -- it's a well researched read

it won't be long before the Twins experience a drop in attendance -- they sold out a Thursday afternoon game yesterday, now that is a loyal fan base -- same last night too

but even the most loyal fans can't go if they haven't the $ to do so -- in combination with the fact that half the team is injured & they're getting blown out most of the time, even Twins fans will have to ? whether their hard-earned $ is worth spending at the ballpark


there's another blurb in the paper, one that IMO also contributes to keeping people away from the park
"A battery of tests on NNY pitcher Phil Hughes revealed a low-level risk of thoracic outlet syndrome -- he will now see a specialist"

I'm Sure It's Legit -- but it's still in all more of the same -- dammit if it's a LOW-LEVEL risk then why does he have to go see a specialist -- everyday people walk around with worse maladies than that, plus the average person would never receive the incredible care Hughes is getting w/the "battery of tests" -- no average fan can relate to that

also in today's paper, today's designer-MLB injury
Cardinals SS Ryan Theriot, out the last 3 games
because of "a tug in his right ribcage area"

A "tug"????????? -- I mean you're **** tin' me right?
Tug McGraw would not be impressed

guaranteed contracts, multi-millionaires one & all -- & the biggest wimps in sports

I love you Red Sox -- they can do no wrong

[Edited on 4/29/2011 by Stephen]


WharfRat - 4/30/2011 at 10:47 AM

quote:
"A battery of tests on NNY pitcher Phil Hughes revealed a low-level risk of thoracic outlet syndrome -- he will now see a specialist"

I'm Sure It's Legit -- but it's still in all more of the same -- dammit if it's a LOW-LEVEL risk then why does he have to go see a specialist -- everyday people walk around with worse maladies than that, plus the average person would never receive the incredible care Hughes is getting w/the "battery of tests" -- no average fan can relate to that




This does not effect his everyday life. If you or I had it, it would be no big deal.
But we arent paid to throw a ball 95+ MPH as Phil is


SpyNet - 5/2/2011 at 01:06 PM

Mets/Phillies were some game last night! Found it ironic that it was during a NY vs Penn game that it was announced Bin Laden was killed

[Edited on 5/2/2011 by SpyNet]


TEX - 5/9/2011 at 09:05 PM


There may be a better spot to post this (i.e. a "Fire" interview), but it should at least be appreciated here! I've said it before, but.....there are some awesome genes in that family tree!

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/05/virgil-truc ks-likes-company-in-tigers-double-no-hitter-club/1?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4 dc7f6f65ba92e01%2C0

May 08, 2011
Virgil Trucks likes company in Tigers' double no-hitter club
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Recommend By John Lowe, Detroit Free Press

A caller from Detroit broke the news to Virgil Trucks about what Justin Verlander had just done in Toronto.

Detroit Tigers' Virgil Trucks holds ball in the Yankee Stadium dressing room after throwing a no-hitter on August 25, 1952.CAPTIONBy Lindsay, AP
"That's great," Trucks said. "I'm glad to hear it. Give him my congratulations."

Until Saturday, Trucks, now 94, had been the only pitcher to throw two no-hitters for the Tigers. He threw both in 1952.

With their two no-hitters apiece, Verlander and Trucks account for more than half of the seven no-hitters thrown by Tigers pitchers.

Throughout Saturday's phone interview from his home in Calera, Ala., Trucks showed no dismay at having just learned his club record for no-hitters had been matched. He even sounded eager to have it broken.

"If he has a good change-up, he might throw another no-hitter," Trucks said.

Trucks was thinking about Verlander's change-up when he watched his previous start on ESPN, Monday night against the Yankees. In that one, Verlander lasted six innings and threw a whopping 127 pitches.

"He's got a good fastball in the high 90s," Trucks said. "I don't know why he's getting mistreated."

By "mistreated," Trucks referred to the enigma that Verlander's season had become before Satruday. Although he hadn't gotten crushed in any game, he had only a few times pitched with dominance into the late innings, as he often has in the past.

Then Trucks offered a reason for that. He said that Monday night Verlander didn't appear to throw his change-up with the same motion as his fastball. If he can throw both with the same motion, Trucks said, then even great hitters become forced to take the change-up for a strike because they are so geared to hit Verlander's overwhelming fastball.

During his first answer in his first interview after his no-hitter Saturday, Verlander told Fox Sports Detroit's Trevor Thompson, "My change-up was really good."

Trucks' two no-hitters represented his first and final victories in a year in which he won only three other games. He went 5-19 for that those 1952 Tigers, who finished last with a record of 50-104. Run support was scarce; Trucks won both his no-hitters 1-0.

Trucks' first no-hitter came at home on May 15, 1952, at Briggs Stadium against Washington. He won on Vic Wertz's two-out homer in the bottom of the ninth.

Three months later, on Aug. 25 at Yankee Stadium, Trucks no-hit Casey Stengel's Yankees, who were en route to their fourth straight pennant.

Dozens of big-league pitchers have thrown a no-hitter. But only 30, according to STATS LLC, have thrown more than one.

"It's sort of a select group," said Trucks, who has belonged to that group for 59 years and who was thrilled Saturday to welcome its newest member.


WharfRat - 5/9/2011 at 10:52 PM

Wow, didnt realize he was still alive.. God Bless him!

And yea, Verlander is a effing BEAST.


IPowrie - 5/14/2011 at 01:42 AM

Verlander follows up no hitter with 8 innings of 2 hit ball as Tigers beat the Royals 3-1


Lee - 5/14/2011 at 12:42 PM

Prayers to Harmon Killebrew and his family. He has stated he will live out his final days in hospice.


Lee - 5/14/2011 at 12:53 PM

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Wow, didnt realize he was still alive.. God Bless him!

And yea, Verlander is a effing BEAST.



Not sure if you have ever seen, but Derek sometimes wears a Tigers hat as most of Virgil's great years were with Detroit. A few years ago at Red Rocks Derek had on his Tigers hat and I started talking to him about Uncle Virgil. Being from Detroit, I knew who Virgil was long before I had ever heard of Butch or Derek.

Anyway, I asked Derek if Virgil was still alive and he smiled at me and said, "yeah he's still kickin". Then I told him about how my Grampa used to talk about how Virgil was his favorite pitcher and loved how hard he threw.


michaelsio - 5/14/2011 at 01:50 PM

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Prayers to Harmon Killebrew and his family. He has stated he will live out his final days in hospice.


x2. Good that he was able to make that decision rather than having it made for him.


Stephen - 5/14/2011 at 01:59 PM

& here as well
cancer is an awful disease -- it's taken many loved ones of mine
after all these years, & the effort that's gone into the research of whether the origins of cancer are detectable -- we can pretty much say it isn't & never will be -- but the effort must continue still -- as long as it isn't counterproductive, & the millions being raised are put to the best possible use...

Yes Carl Yastrzemski was the last to win the Triple Crown in 67
but only sort of -- Harmon tied him with 44 HR (going by memory) -- & hit some of the most titanic tape-measure HRs ever seen -- I always thought how weird he looked at the end of his career in a KC Royals uniform, who he had a final brief swan song with
best to Harmon Killebrew


DanB - 5/14/2011 at 02:03 PM

This just in:

EFF DAN UGGLA!!!!!!!!


Lee - 5/14/2011 at 02:10 PM

I think Yaz also holds the record for the lowest batting average to win a batting title. I think he hit .301 or something that year.


michaelsio - 5/14/2011 at 02:24 PM

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I think Yaz also holds the record for the lowest batting average to win a batting title. I think he hit .301 or something that year.


Was it next year or the year after that they lowered the pitcher's mound?


michaelsio - 5/14/2011 at 02:27 PM

quote:
This just in:

EFF DAN UGGLA!!!!!!!!


Yeah, that was a shame.


alloak41 - 5/14/2011 at 02:42 PM

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quote:
I think Yaz also holds the record for the lowest batting average to win a batting title. I think he hit .301 or something that year.


Was it next year or the year after that they lowered the pitcher's mound?


The mound was lowered prior to the 1969 season, after the AL hit .230 and after Gibson's 1.12 ERA in '68.


michaelsio - 5/14/2011 at 03:21 PM

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quote:
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I think Yaz also holds the record for the lowest batting average to win a batting title. I think he hit .301 or something that year.


Was it next year or the year after that they lowered the pitcher's mound?


The mound was lowered prior to the 1969 season, after the AL hit .230 and after Gibson's 1.12 ERA in '68.


That's what I thought, but couldn't remember for sure.

Thanks.


SpyNet - 5/15/2011 at 12:10 AM

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quote:
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I think Yaz also holds the record for the lowest batting average to win a batting title. I think he hit .301 or something that year.


Was it next year or the year after that they lowered the pitcher's mound?


The mound was lowered prior to the 1969 season, after the AL hit .230 and after Gibson's 1.12 ERA in '68.


That's what I thought, but couldn't remember for sure.

Thanks.


Most people forget this fact and lump this era in with the present, which you just can't.
I've also wondered what stats would look like today if the Blueprints of the first regulation field built were not misread, and the mound was only 60' away (as it was drawn up), and not the erred 60'6"
A 250 avg might be considered great, and 15 homers. Pitchers would have 400 strikeout at least!


gondicar - 5/16/2011 at 11:09 AM

Oh my. Was that a sweep? In the Bronx? By the lowly Red Sox?


DougMacKenzie - 5/16/2011 at 01:02 PM

Went to the Rangers-Angels game yesterday with my son, sat in the "All You Can Eat" home run porch. It was an awesome day, especially since the Rangers won to take 2 out 3. Baseball is magical for dads and their boys.


Stephen - 5/16/2011 at 04:14 PM

A sweep it was -- Big Papi, stinging the ball -- now the Sox have to stay above .500 for good
sign o'the times though -- 46,900, the lowest attendance in years for Sox-Yanks in the Bronx, & the Sox radio announcers were saying it looked like less than that, w/a section of the left field balcony vacant...

cool, Doug -- sounds like a great time you had with your boys at the game

it's a good time for the Twins to get outta town for a spell -- 8 straight losses, including 5 blowouts (9 or more runs for other team) --
Pavano & Liriano have to pitch like Spahn & Sain, then get what they can from Blackburn, Baker, Duensing, Slowey etc. -- maybe they should try Nathan in middle relief -- they gotta try something

Go Sox


Stephen - 5/17/2011 at 02:52 PM


Most every fan knows by now what MLB teams for whatever reason won't acknowledge -- that the DL (disabled list) is for the healthy-but-slumping, and also for legit injuries

John Lackey a "strained elbow"?? what a laugh -- he can't get anyone out, that's why he's on the DL & everyone knows it

Reds reliever Aroldis Chapman -- going just as bad, so obviously they can't use him -- but why attach "shoulder inflammation" to it?? He was still throwing with the usual velocity &, like Lackey, not wincing or anything -- but putting up these #s -- last 3 outings, 12 batters, 8 earned runs, 9 walks, 1 hit, 1 hit batter --

well at least we get a new baseballism out of it
Royals reliever Kyle Davies
who was removed after walking the bases full Monday in the first inning
...what is "stinking out the joint" became
"anterior shoulder soreness" & will have an MRI"

as opposed to "interior" shoulder soreness?? "bilateral" shoulder soreness? did it consist of a "tug" -- or a "grade 2 strain" --
HE SUCKED THAT NIGHT, & leave it at that for heaven's sake

Peace, & go Sox -- I love the game itself & am as big a fan as anybody -- a sweet comeback last night -- once Crawford, catchers Salty/Varitek et al get going & we pull away from the .500 mark, we be in the running to stay


alloak41 - 5/17/2011 at 02:59 PM

In the past, there was a subsitute term for all the advanced medical terminology pertaining to pitchers that were having trouble getting outs...


Triple-A!


Stephen - 5/17/2011 at 03:11 PM

Exactly!
nowadays though, all the bus travel would probably bring on "lower back stiffness" or a "strained right ribcage"


alloak41 - 5/17/2011 at 03:18 PM

Plus, having to carry their own equipment bag would be hell on those "obliques."


michaelsio - 5/17/2011 at 04:12 PM

Just saw that Harmon Killebrew died.


R.I.P.


alloak41 - 5/17/2011 at 04:32 PM

I was fortunate enough to get to meet and work with Mr. Killebrew back in 1990, and he was a super nice gentleman. He was staying with Bob Allison in Arizona and was in poor health at the time, but I got him to fly to Chattanooga to throw out the first pitch when we hosted the All-Star game. Still have the ball he signed for me.

RIP.


WharfRat - 5/18/2011 at 03:02 AM

OMG.. Thaaaaaaa Yankees WIN!

Didnt think they had any left in them


DanB - 5/18/2011 at 03:01 PM

quote:
OMG.. Thaaaaaaa Yankees WIN!

Didnt think they had any left in them


2 HR's by ARoid man that's like a shot in the ass for the Yanks


Brendan - 5/18/2011 at 03:07 PM

quote:
Plus, having to carry their own equipment bag would be hell on those "obliques."
All snideness aside, can you image how much it would hurt to throw a baseball really hard if you had something wrong with your ribcage or a strained oblique muscle?


Stephen - 5/18/2011 at 03:17 PM

The story in today's Boston Herald is worth googling
In short, Dice-K, to the Dee-L, for a sPrained bow-el, I mean elbow

only, the team doctors aren't sure he's hurt -- & neither is Dice-K

here's the last paragraph
(quoting Tito) -- "Does he have pain? I don't think he really did, but I think he was guarded because he thought he might have pain. We figured we better check. I'm glad we did."

A "SPRAINED" elbow? What kind of fools do MLB teams take their fans for when they put out this kind of information -- anyone knows a sPrain is what Rajon Rondo did in the Miami series, where his arm went the other way -- a "sPrained elbow" is very painful -- obviously no way could anyone pitch with that
maybe those bozos don't know how to spell, on top of everything else

he went to see the doctor, to see if there was the possibility of pain -- then they came up with a sprained elbow
I'm telling you, this is why fewer and fewer people are going to games

the Sox are among the worst offenders
Dan Wheeler (calf strain) and Bobby Jenks (bicep strain) -- they got these injuries by sitting in the bullpen (Wheeler 10 IP, Jenks 8 IP) -- coming out of spring training, where they're supposed to be getting into shape, & then these dinky-ass little injuries when they've hardly pitched at all??

will Try Like Mad to lay off this subject -- but when it's in the paper Every Day...



[Edited on 5/18/2011 by Stephen]


Stephen - 5/18/2011 at 03:30 PM

It was never that way when the Killer played -- maybe that's why it's so irritating -- yes my "irritated bowel syndrome" kicks in even thinking about it (Franklin Gutierrez I am not)

Harmon was a bastid the weekend of Sept. 30-Oct. 1 1967 -- looked up some of the info just now -- went about 4-6 with 4 walks over the last two games -- his HR in the 9th inning Sept. 30 caused much nervousness (we won 6-4) that was also his 44th HR of the year, putting him ahead of Yaz -- but then Carl hit his 44th the next day, to gain the Triple Crown -- but the Sawx mostly pitched around the Killer -- Carew went 0-8, that was huge -- but of course, it was all Carl that weekend -- that weekend, as he was over the final month, Carl Yastrzemski was the greatest player who ever played this game

IIRC, Billy Martin was the Twins' third-base coach

Rest in peace, Harmon Killebrew

[Edited on 5/18/2011 by Stephen]

[Edited on 5/18/2011 by Stephen]


Stephen - 5/18/2011 at 04:12 PM

Brendan, it's not about snideness -- it's about seeing it for what it is -- prima-donna hypochondriacs who do not get into shape for what they're overpaid with guaranteed contracts, to do -- who are asked, every fourth or fifth day, to take their team into the sixth inning or so, then someone else will take over -- it's not that much to ask, to go out there and give it your best effort, even if you're hurting a little

but yes, I'm sure one would feel pain pitching/playing with a strain -- they all do

google the Boston Herald story -- it says it better than I can


Brendan - 5/18/2011 at 04:42 PM

Dude, I'm with you. There is definitely a Princess mentality going around.

I'm just saying, throwing a baseball that hard puts a lot of tork on the midsection.


Stephen - 5/18/2011 at 07:20 PM

yes it does -- no question that they put their whole body into a pitch -- but gosh, it's become such an injury-prone occupation

thanks man, I figured you weren't disagreeing -- & if you were, that's all good too bro

Go Sox!


SpyNet - 5/18/2011 at 08:10 PM

quote:
OMG.. Thaaaaaaa Yankees WIN!

Didnt think they had any left in them


Hopefully young Mr. Britton can put an end to the one game winning streak tonight.
I would love to get to .500 vs the yanks
Who am I kidding, I would love to get to .500 vs anyone!


skypup - 5/19/2011 at 12:00 AM

RIP Harmon Killebrew. Play ball..!


gondicar - 5/21/2011 at 10:44 AM


Lee - 5/21/2011 at 01:50 PM

The Flubs just flat out suck. 4 more errors last night. How they allow this clown to play is beyond me. Worst signing ever.









Lee - 5/22/2011 at 12:42 PM

This just in:


Alphonso Soriano did NOT make en error last night!










Quade was smart enough to make him the DH.