Thread: The real reason why you could not get Beacon tickets for the 20th, and 21st

Mulehead1 - 1/16/2009 at 10:53 PM

TicketMaster Buys Online Scalper TicketsNow For $265 Million
by Erick Schonfeld on January 15, 2008
Just in time for the Super Bowl and ahead of IAC’s breakup, Ticketmaster has struck a deal to acquire online ticket scalper TicketsNow for $265 million. This follows eBay’s acquisition of StubHub for $310 million last year. TicketsNow is the second-largest online ticket scalper after StubHub, having sold $200 million worth of tickets in 2006. Sources tell us Ticketmaster first looked at RazorGator for about the same price, but that deal fell through during due diligence. Once they took a look at the books, they passed. The $265 million paid for TicketsNow, we are told by another knowledgeable industry source, is 35 times EBITDA and about 5X revenues (of $60 million).
Many of the tickets that scalpers, er, brokers, sell on these secondary marketplaces are initially purchased from the Ticketmasters of the world. So the markup is a missed opportunity for Ticketmaster, whose own TicketExchange has shown lackluster performance.
The TicketsNow deal shows how hot the secondary event ticket market is becoming, and Ticketmaster’s entry will likely help legitimize the sector (see our previous coverage on some of the problems with the industry).
The WSJ, which broke the story, reports:
Ticketmaster President and Chief Executive Sean Moriarty said the company plans to share revenue from its new division with clients that own venues or promote events, although he said details on how the money would be distributed aren’t final. He said the move highlights a shift in the way ticket resellers are perceived, both by the public and by concert-industry participants. Where resellers once were viewed as shady scalpers, now, thanks largely to the Internet, they are becoming more respectable.
“Clients who five years ago were not willing to allow a ticket to be resold now want a piece of it,” Mr. Moriarty said. The size of the secondary ticket market is hard to judge, but estimates range from $2.5 billion to $5 billion a year in the U.S.
That’s a nice growth market for a business that is about to be spun off as its own stock.
According to comScore, TicketsNow had 1.5 million unique visitors in December, about the same it did a year ago, while StubHub attracted 3.4 million and has been growing nicely under eBay’s wing (although it took a major hit in November).
TicketsNow
Website: ticketsnow.com
Location: Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States
Acquired: January 1, 2008 by Ticketmaster for $265M in Cash
With over 1.5 million unique visitors as reported by comScore in December 2007, TicketsNow.com is the #2 player in the online ticket reselling business. TicketNow’s main competition comes from eBay’s StubHub and… Learn More
RazorGator
Website: razorgator.com
Location: Los Angeles, California, United States
Funding: $48.8M
RazorGator is the 3rd largest player in the online ticket reselling business behind eBay’s StubHub and Ticketmaster’s TicketsNow according to December 2007 comScore data. The… Learn More
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[Edited on 1/17/2009 by Mulehead1]


johnj - 1/16/2009 at 10:55 PM

isn't that nice


PeachyHeidi - 1/16/2009 at 10:56 PM

Just in time indeed


tbomike - 1/16/2009 at 11:01 PM

Not to burst your bubble, but the date of your article is 1/15 of 2008 and the ticketmaster has had the links to ticketsnow since last year.This is not new news.


Brock - 1/16/2009 at 11:02 PM

It looks like Jan 08, not 09 to me. As someone said in another thread, Tickets Now is like Stub Hub where tix are bought and sold by 3d parties.

I just looked at Tickets Now for 3-21 and the tickets were pretty marginal. Don't you think if TM was skimming tix to scalp that they would take the better seats? I don't know what the problem was this am, but maybe it was a function of the AMEX presale getting a big allocation and the simple matter of there being 5 less shows.


Mulehead1 - 1/16/2009 at 11:04 PM

quote:
Not to burst your bubble, but the date of your article is 1/15 of 2008 and the ticketmaster has had the links to ticketsnow since last year.This is not new news.

Duhhh...I searched to see if both were owned by Ticketmaster. I remember the sale was coming. I didn't even notice the date. I'm still writing 08 on my checks.


nypeachhead - 1/16/2009 at 11:14 PM

U meant well Mulehead1 LOL!


Benjamin - 1/16/2009 at 11:30 PM

Might not be the reason for lack of tickets during today's general sale, but i sure did get a kick out of this statement in the article:

"Where resellers once were viewed as shady scalpers, now, thanks largely to the Internet, they are becoming more respectable."

Respectable to whom?
Not the majority of people trying to attend an event.....


Lettesgo - 1/16/2009 at 11:41 PM

ok...so presale (both AMEX and Peach Corps) seats weren't so great. Figured I would hang in for general sale today. At the split second the "find tickets" came on the TM page for March 21...I was in, and for the next 38 minutes, re-tried and re-tried and never ONCE had the option of buying 2 seats anywhere for any price. How the hell can they be "sold out" at 10 seconds after 10am? Just to see what happened, I clicked on 3/14 and even a Tues. or Thurs., and TM still couldn't give me 2 seats. Called TM to complain...of course they said that it is difficult to get tickets to popular concerts...
I feel totally scammed!!!!
---Lette
p.s. on the up side...Gregg's concert at the Wellmont, Montclair, NJ was pure enjoyment. I loved it all!


DOVETAIL - 1/17/2009 at 01:18 AM

Which further explains why, when searching for tickets on-line and being advised none are available, we have the easy(sic) option of linking from that very page to TicketsNow for inflated pricing for all locations...I know about Pearl Jam's failed crusade against TM, but one would think an allied effort on the part of some prestigious artists would be able to right this all too obvious wrong...is it too much to ask for the artists to at least question these tactics if not devise alternate means of sale...of course that begs the question of where all the profits on these ticket prices go??????????


PhotoRon286 - 1/17/2009 at 01:23 AM

On the bright side, it looks like the ABB sold out of tickets faster than Bruce Springsteen.


DanaVClouser - 1/17/2009 at 01:42 AM

Great post Mule' ....it is irrelevant 'when' the TICKETMASTER folks went into the scalping business...the point is ...they ARE.

In addition, DOVETAIL has the balls to ask the real question. Seems highly unlikely that the "Artists'' and the ''Promoters"...and the "Site Owners (Beacon)" are not aware of the practice and one could only surmise that they ALL benefit. I have copy/pasted my post from the other thread....it is relevant. I do so only to reiterate my point...

________

Guys & gals....

I haven't read all 4 pages of posts--up to this moment--but have scanned several. I hate to pose a rather obvious question that NO one seems willing to address....but has it occured to anyone that perhaps this IS the deal the 'band' has negotiated??? I argue with myself in regards to 'capitalism' and the idea that this IS the 40th Anniversary and the 'band' should have a right to make all the money they can. Yet, I remember the 'battlecry' of years gone by about the "Band of the People". I think that has sadly become a myth.

Quite frankly, I am also upset with the 'gameplan' of selling the public on the idea of "Superstars'' attending .....Clapton, Scaggs, Franklin, BETTS?.....then 10 shows are listed. We've all rushed out and bought tix for the first 10 shows...NOW SOLD OUT!. Now sure as sh*ttn....there will be "Due to Demand--5 more shows ADDED!". Betcha Clapton comes to one of those shows and we who have made plans to travel to NYC from all over the country during the first 10 nites get stuck with the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople" as our 'special guest' on the 21st. I hope I'm wrong but I smell something funky and it ain't Aaron Neville. Then--WOW--we'll have to rush back to our homes and purchase the MOOGIS thing so we'll get to see "CLapton". What a GREAT marketing plan!!!

Nevertheless....I'm coming with a smile on my face to hear some good tunes albeit in the nosebleeds and most importantly hang out with my friends from all over the world. I'll cheer when the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople' is introduced and describe how 'great it was!". But if there' is a '41st year'.....I have a feeling I'm going to be a bit more choosy and remember how it 'used to be'.

Pardon me being a bit cynical....ironically, I'm in 'business' and I know how it works. I've also been accused before of being 'brutally honest'. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it....


____________________
Brodana


WharfRat - 1/17/2009 at 01:50 AM


njpaulc - 1/17/2009 at 02:04 AM

To quote Pogo "We met the enemy, and he is us".

When "we" started to pay scalpers 5, 10 times the face of a ticket "we" lost. Doesn't matter who's doing, doesn't matter who's paying it. "We" lost. Only way to win, is to stop buying tickets. I stopped for 25 years, but I started Jonesing some live music, and I'm back. Just a few more shows before I'm too old and feeble to climb those baicony steps.


hankpipes - 1/17/2009 at 02:28 AM

With the economy the way it is right now, expect to see these tickets linger for a long time and eventually drop in price. The "stupid" money just isn't there right now, even in NY. I think if folks are patient then you should be able to score some deals as the date of the shows approach. Of course, if you give in to these inflated prices and pay them then don't complain because that only makes you part of the problem. Someone mentioned in another thread about the reaction to being shut out because "no one is entitled to a ticket, not even me". True, but I think you are at the very least entitled to a fair shot at a ticket, which I don't think people were. And there is something seriously wrong with that.


letyoursoulshine - 1/17/2009 at 02:29 AM

Yes, I was surprised to see the Tickets Now banner on ticketmaster's web page - ie cause they are a scalper.

It's a pity when you are walking to the Beacon and get within 2 blocks on the night there are people everywhere trying to sell tickets - I take it they are TicketNow employees doing the daily offload.

It's all pretty full on.

On the bright side, I got to see The DTB for $45 and got front row tickets on day 3 of them being on sale and for an extra $10 a ticket to a Saturday show. T

That was for Adelaide Australia. We don't have scalping to the degree you have it in the US. Nowhere near. Only a few people putting up tickets on eBay at inflated prices and because there just isn't the population/market here for gigs, often the prices of the scalpers become less than the face value of the tickets.

The moral to the story is - The Allman Brothers should come and play in Australia so I can get front row.


leafsfan - 1/17/2009 at 03:19 AM

quote:
Guys & gals....

I haven't read all 4 pages of posts--up to this moment--but have scanned several. I hate to pose a rather obvious question that NO one seems willing to address....but has it occured to anyone that perhaps this IS the deal the 'band' has negotiated??? I argue with myself in regards to 'capitalism' and the idea that this IS the 40th Anniversary and the 'band' should have a right to make all the money they can. Yet, I remember the 'battlecry' of years gone by about the "Band of the People". I think that has sadly become a myth.

Quite frankly, I am also upset with the 'gameplan' of selling the public on the idea of "Superstars'' attending .....Clapton, Scaggs, Franklin, BETTS?.....then 10 shows are listed. We've all rushed out and bought tix for the first 10 shows...NOW SOLD OUT!. Now sure as sh*ttn....there will be "Due to Demand--5 more shows ADDED!". Betcha Clapton comes to one of those shows and we who have made plans to travel to NYC from all over the country during the first 10 nites get stuck with the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople" as our 'special guest' on the 21st. I hope I'm wrong but I smell something funky and it ain't Aaron Neville. Then--WOW--we'll have to rush back to our homes and purchase the MOOGIS thing so we'll get to see "CLapton". What a GREAT marketing plan!!!

Nevertheless....I'm coming with a smile on my face to hear some good tunes albeit in the nosebleeds and most importantly hang out with my friends from all over the world. I'll cheer when the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople' is introduced and describe how 'great it was!". But if there' is a '41st year'.....I have a feeling I'm going to be a bit more choosy and remember how it 'used to be'.

Pardon me being a bit cynical....ironically, I'm in 'business' and I know how it works. I've also been accused before of being 'brutally honest'. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it....



I agree something smells rather off. Ticketmaster and all that reap the benefit of scalping shall lose eventually expecially in thsi economy. Justice For All!!!


sixty8 - 1/17/2009 at 05:11 AM

quote:
It looks like Jan 08, not 09 to me. As someone said in another thread, Tickets Now is like Stub Hub where tix are bought and sold by 3d parties.

I just looked at Tickets Now for 3-21 and the tickets were pretty marginal. Don't you think if TM was skimming tix to scalp that they would take the better seats? I don't know what the problem was this am, but maybe it was a function of the AMEX presale getting a big allocation and the simple matter of there being 5 less shows.


I still think they skimmed tons of tickets. Why announce a general sale if there are no tickets left for it. I saw very, very few people get any tickets at all today and most of those who did got singles. We will find out leading up to the shows if tickets all of a sudden start showing up back in Ticketba$tards system.

I have never ever seen this before with a general sale. Nobody getting tickets to any of the shows from the second they go on sale??? Scratching head??? Something definetly fishy about that.


axeman - 1/17/2009 at 01:19 PM

quote:
Not to burst your bubble, but the date of your article is 1/15 of 2008 and the ticketmaster has had the links to ticketsnow since last year.This is not new news.


The date is not the point. The point is that this is a way of increasing ticket prices LITERALLY 500%. Who cares what the date is? We are getting screwed.


axeman - 1/17/2009 at 01:23 PM

quote:
Great post Mule' ....it is irrelevant 'when' the TICKETMASTER folks went into the scalping business...the point is ...they ARE.

In addition, DOVETAIL has the balls to ask the real question. Seems highly unlikely that the "Artists'' and the ''Promoters"...and the "Site Owners (Beacon)" are not aware of the practice and one could only surmise that they ALL benefit. I have copy/pasted my post from the other thread....it is relevant. I do so only to reiterate my point...

________

Guys & gals....

I haven't read all 4 pages of posts--up to this moment--but have scanned several. I hate to pose a rather obvious question that NO one seems willing to address....but has it occured to anyone that perhaps this IS the deal the 'band' has negotiated??? I argue with myself in regards to 'capitalism' and the idea that this IS the 40th Anniversary and the 'band' should have a right to make all the money they can. Yet, I remember the 'battlecry' of years gone by about the "Band of the People". I think that has sadly become a myth.

Quite frankly, I am also upset with the 'gameplan' of selling the public on the idea of "Superstars'' attending .....Clapton, Scaggs, Franklin, BETTS?.....then 10 shows are listed. We've all rushed out and bought tix for the first 10 shows...NOW SOLD OUT!. Now sure as sh*ttn....there will be "Due to Demand--5 more shows ADDED!". Betcha Clapton comes to one of those shows and we who have made plans to travel to NYC from all over the country during the first 10 nites get stuck with the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople" as our 'special guest' on the 21st. I hope I'm wrong but I smell something funky and it ain't Aaron Neville. Then--WOW--we'll have to rush back to our homes and purchase the MOOGIS thing so we'll get to see "CLapton". What a GREAT marketing plan!!!

Nevertheless....I'm coming with a smile on my face to hear some good tunes albeit in the nosebleeds and most importantly hang out with my friends from all over the world. I'll cheer when the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople' is introduced and describe how 'great it was!". But if there' is a '41st year'.....I have a feeling I'm going to be a bit more choosy and remember how it 'used to be'.

Pardon me being a bit cynical....ironically, I'm in 'business' and I know how it works. I've also been accused before of being 'brutally honest'. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it....


____________________
Broda




Great points. Scary. Hope it isn't all true.


OldDirtRoad - 1/17/2009 at 02:41 PM



On Ebay :

The price $2,860.00 is for 4 tickets in Section: ORCH Row: G..

Wow !


macon - 1/17/2009 at 03:02 PM

T-master, the Beacon (MSG) and even the band should be ashamed, and are all complicit in this mess. It's absurd that I participated in all three sales (our pre-sale, AMEX and the general sale) and could only get 2 seats together in the back of the orch for a Sat night. Yes, the band has control over this, they do not NEED to feed T-master/MSG and could opt for another venue instead of the venerable Beacon. We would all live, and be happy, with Nokia, or United, and the real fans would all be there. Hopefully the band will have more than two or three rehearsals and reward the fans for all this nonsense.
As an aside, T-master should be investigated to determine how their affiliate got all these tickets immediately following the general sale.


DanaVClouser - 1/17/2009 at 03:29 PM

Good Post Macon.....

If there is a "41st at the Beacon", bet there will be 6 or 7 shows. They are killing the 'goose that laid the golden egg'. As I've implied, you know....I'm not ANGRY. Just sorta sad that we've all been snookered. Many are just figuring it out. Hate to inject a political analogy into this, but tho't the guys supported Obama....not George Bush.


fensranger - 1/17/2009 at 04:16 PM

this is truly some kind of scam by TM. i have been very lucky to score good seats for almost any show at a general sale. i have a fast internet provider and have it down pretty good as i am sure many other also have. this was the first time i can remember being shut out completely so something was wrong. lets face it the ABB is not as popular as clapton, U-2, Bruce, Billy Joel etc. I have always gotten tix to their shows. Perhaps the future is upon us and as scalping has become legalized everywhere and the Stubhubs and Ebays have gotten acceptance, this is where we now stand.

I for one never have and never will but an inflated ticket to any event, nor will i scalp a ticket above what I paid. I am willing to pay the face amount if I want to see a show, even if that face amount is very high (the Stones, McCartney etc), but it is against my principles to pay more. Fortunately I have seen many great shows and events and hope to see many more.

Getting ripped off and making slimy creatures wealthier than they already are is not my bag and never will be. I was lucky to score 2 good seats to a show during the presale and shut out in general sale. I will enjoy my one show unless others are added.


TRMGDEAD - 1/17/2009 at 05:01 PM

I got tickets for 3/19, 3/20, and 3/21 during the pre-sale. Why didn't everyone do this? Or was I just lucky?


Eileen1 - 1/17/2009 at 05:41 PM

quote:



My sentiments eggsactly brutha!


Eileen1 - 1/17/2009 at 05:45 PM

quote:


On Ebay :

The price $2,860.00 is for 4 tickets in Section: ORCH Row: G..

Wow !


That is utterly ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!


nypeachhead - 1/17/2009 at 05:45 PM

quote:
I got tickets for 3/19, 3/20, and 3/21 during the pre-sale. Why didn't everyone do this? Or was I just lucky?


I bought tickets through the pre sale for the first time in yrs. for 3/12.I usually do better in the general onsale. I have never seen anything like this . I was in at 9:59 (not kidding) and tried to pull up a single for 3/21. Got nothing. Just crazy. It is what it is and I will find a way to be there that Saturday, its just annoying to know ticketmaster takes a bundle of tickets, set them aside for their auction and then another bunch goes to ticketsnow which they own. After the pre sale and the AMEX pre sale, how many tickets r going to be available in a 2800 seat theatre. Not many. Live and learn.


Haisija - 1/17/2009 at 05:48 PM

quote:
I got tickets for 3/19, 3/20, and 3/21 during the pre-sale. Why didn't everyone do this? Or was I just lucky?


I guess I could have taken a vacation day to sit here at night and hope I got tickets on the pre-sale.


Eileen1 - 1/17/2009 at 05:48 PM

I had a dream Thursday night that we scored Row B, Seat 28. I was very happy we got tixs but was alittle disappointed that it was way off to the side *LOL* After hearing on Friday that we got shut out, I was kicking myself for dreaming that I was a bit upset about the B28's. Ha!!


Eileen1 - 1/17/2009 at 05:50 PM

I got nothing in the presale!!! I was shut out then too, couldnt even pull a single seat for the 21st....go figure. Im lucky I got the 2 shows I pulled in the Amex sale............

Let me correct myself....I did get upper balc's during the presale but chose to throw them back.

[Edited on 1/17/2009 by Eileen1]


Haisija - 1/17/2009 at 05:58 PM

quote:
I had a dream Thursday night that we scored Row B, Seat 28. I was very happy we got tixs but was alittle disappointed that it was way off to the side *LOL* After hearing on Friday that we got shut out, I was kicking myself for dreaming that I was a bit upset about the B28's. Ha!!


Your dream can come true for $3000.00 a seat I'm sure !


Eileen1 - 1/17/2009 at 06:02 PM

quote:
quote:
I had a dream Thursday night that we scored Row B, Seat 28. I was very happy we got tixs but was alittle disappointed that it was way off to the side *LOL* After hearing on Friday that we got shut out, I was kicking myself for dreaming that I was a bit upset about the B28's. Ha!!


Your dream can come true for $3000.00 a seat I'm sure !


LOL Hai...."for a mere $3000 bucks, B28 can be yours!" said Dolan with an evil snicker........ Ridiculous!

[Edited on 1/17/2009 by Eileen1]


Haisija - 1/17/2009 at 06:18 PM

I'm really disapointed, I tried to offer 900 billion dollars for 2 seats, but I couldn't get above 99 billion dollars . Must be my credit score.


redd1 - 1/17/2009 at 07:59 PM

Brodana, You hit the nail on the head! Although I didn't plan on going to the Beacon or participate in the ticket fiasco, it makes me ill for all ya'll.


DanaVClouser - 1/17/2009 at 09:35 PM

Hey Redd!....how you be?

In regards to all of the above...."If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....it's very likely ....a DUCK!" A whole lot of snickering goin' on.


Lettesgo - 1/17/2009 at 10:49 PM

Seats were available for the pre-sales...but did not want to sit all the way left or right next to the doors or the upper balcony back row. Have found that pre-sale seats were usually not very good and always got very good seats with general sale. Happened to be home at 10am on Friday...

At least I'm not the only one that was shut out...although it doesn't make me feel any better. I feel badly for ALL of us! Really missed the Beacon last year (my husband and I spend the weekend in NYC w/ the ABB concert as the focal point). We do enjoy the PNC show...but the Beacon is, well...The Beacon!

Hopefully, more shows will be added...perhaps will luck out then? Guess will have to just wait and see.

---Lette


bluedad - 1/17/2009 at 10:57 PM

I just wanted to get in the lobby


jcb - 1/18/2009 at 11:54 AM

Can't make the Beacon shows but thought I'd share my "Metallica" ticket experience...

Trying to get 1 ticket for my nephew for the Garden (Boston) show. Over the last few days not once, ever, has a ticket popped up. One ticket!

Of course I could get him 1st row floor for $696 plus a reasonable $102 service charge.

And there's an option to buy ticket "insurance" for another $100 or so.

And yes, all of this is available on ticketbast*rds new scalping site.

Anyway, that's why I'm up this early. Hoping for day of show tickets to be released.


souleman - 1/18/2009 at 02:31 PM

I Just can not believe it. On ticket master you can bid on all shows which supposedly
have no tickets available. 2 tixs for the price of 4. That is Crazy!


nebish - 1/18/2009 at 02:43 PM

quote:
I got tickets for 3/19, 3/20, and 3/21 during the pre-sale. Why didn't everyone do this? Or was I just lucky?


I had this same success in the presale as well, all center Loge.

I feel so very badly for everyone who wasn't able to score tickets in the general onsale. I can't express how much I appreciate the opportunity of the fan club presale, without it many many more of us wouldn't have tickets. While I didn't try for any tickets Friday I share the anger for what is happened.


TheyCameToBoston - 1/18/2009 at 03:00 PM

a couple of thoughts here

1) with all of the above posts about attempts to obtain 3/21 tix - no wonder it sold out first. Btween the ABB pre-sale, the Amex presale & general on-sale, wouldn't any Saturday night show be the most desirable? Especially the last show of the run? (And be assured the scalpers all have Amex cards!)

2) re : T-M & TicketsNow. I can understand why T-M did this as they get to charge their fees on the same tickets twice! And I'm sure we've all noticed their sliding scale of fees - the more the face, the more the fee - even tho' they provide the same service. TicketsNow get their same profit, T-M gets to double dip and those who are desparate enough to pay those prices get gouged.

I consider myself lucky to get the balcony tix I wanted for shows 1, 2 & 3 during the pre-sale. I know my chances would have been greatly reduced for 3/19 - 3/21 or even 3/13 - 3/14.

Finally, Moogis seems to be a decent value compared to the TicketsNow prices!


leftyblues - 1/18/2009 at 03:20 PM

wouldn't it be ironic if nobody bought the tickets now tix ?

bet you could get them outside the venue at a fair price...


brucegz - 1/18/2009 at 03:27 PM

quote:
With the economy the way it is right now, expect to see these tickets linger for a long time and eventually drop in price. The "stupid" money just isn't there right now, even in NY. I think if folks are patient then you should be able to score some deals as the date of the shows approach. Of course, if you give in to these inflated prices and pay them then don't complain because that only makes you part of the problem. Someone mentioned in another thread about the reaction to being shut out because "no one is entitled to a ticket, not even me". True, but I think you are at the very least entitled to a fair shot at a ticket, which I don't think people were. And there is something seriously wrong with that.


Everything you write is 100% true. The only thing one can do is vow not to make purchases on Tickets Now or Stub Hub. Also, we've been moving steadily toward younger bands where you can still get a $30-50 ticket for a great seat or standing in small club i.e. Umphrey's, DTB, Railroad Earth etc... For best values on some of our most beloved bands, the festivals still hold water i.e. Gathering of the Vibes. Either way, we have great loge for 3/13, I've been trying unsucessfully to get another set for 3/21 but have no problem seeing just 1 ABB show this year. Five years ago I could see multiple ABB Beacon shows for $60-70 in the 1st 10 rows. Five years later they want over $150 for the same seat and you can't even get 'em. For the hardcore, loyal fan, this is simply intolerable. There are too many other great bands to see for less money when I don't know if I'll even have a job in 6 months.

To the ABB, have a wonderful run, I'll see you on the 13th. I'll see Railroad Earth next Saturday for $30 in the 4th row too.


gina - 1/18/2009 at 03:40 PM

quote:
Great post Mule' ....it is irrelevant 'when' the TICKETMASTER folks went into the scalping business...the point is ...they ARE.

In addition, DOVETAIL has the balls to ask the real question. Seems highly unlikely that the "Artists'' and the ''Promoters"...and the "Site Owners (Beacon)" are not aware of the practice and one could only surmise that they ALL benefit. I have copy/pasted my post from the other thread....it is relevant. I do so only to reiterate my point...

________

Guys & gals....

I haven't read all 4 pages of posts--up to this moment--but have scanned several. I hate to pose a rather obvious question that NO one seems willing to address....but has it occured to anyone that perhaps this IS the deal the 'band' has negotiated??? I argue with myself in regards to 'capitalism' and the idea that this IS the 40th Anniversary and the 'band' should have a right to make all the money they can. Yet, I remember the 'battlecry' of years gone by about the "Band of the People". I think that has sadly become a myth.

Quite frankly, I am also upset with the 'gameplan' of selling the public on the idea of "Superstars'' attending .....Clapton, Scaggs, Franklin, BETTS?.....then 10 shows are listed. We've all rushed out and bought tix for the first 10 shows...NOW SOLD OUT!. Now sure as sh*ttn....there will be "Due to Demand--5 more shows ADDED!". Betcha Clapton comes to one of those shows and we who have made plans to travel to NYC from all over the country during the first 10 nites get stuck with the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople" as our 'special guest' on the 21st. I hope I'm wrong but I smell something funky and it ain't Aaron Neville. Then--WOW--we'll have to rush back to our homes and purchase the MOOGIS thing so we'll get to see "CLapton". What a GREAT marketing plan!!!

Nevertheless....I'm coming with a smile on my face to hear some good tunes albeit in the nosebleeds and most importantly hang out with my friends from all over the world. I'll cheer when the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople' is introduced and describe how 'great it was!". But if there' is a '41st year'.....I have a feeling I'm going to be a bit more choosy and remember how it 'used to be'.

Pardon me being a bit cynical....ironically, I'm in 'business' and I know how it works. I've also been accused before of being 'brutally honest'. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it....


____________________
Brodana




Well brother, you could always go see Dickey. He's playing some shows and there are cheap flights if you need a plane to get there.


gina - 1/18/2009 at 03:41 PM

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Not to burst your bubble, but the date of your article is 1/15 of 2008 and the ticketmaster has had the links to ticketsnow since last year.This is not new news.


The date is not the point. The point is that this is a way of increasing ticket prices LITERALLY 500%. Who cares what the date is? We are getting screwed.


Where's the government bail out for this? The fans need a bailout!


gina - 1/18/2009 at 03:46 PM

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On Ebay :

The price $2,860.00 is for 4 tickets in Section: ORCH Row: G..

Wow !


That is utterly ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!


$715 per ticket? Does it include a beer valet, bathroom attendant, coat check room and other accolades of an upscale place or are people just paying for the new seats and renovation?


gina - 1/18/2009 at 03:48 PM

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I had a dream Thursday night that we scored Row B, Seat 28. I was very happy we got tixs but was alittle disappointed that it was way off to the side *LOL* After hearing on Friday that we got shut out, I was kicking myself for dreaming that I was a bit upset about the B28's. Ha!!


Your dream can come true for $3000.00 a seat I'm sure !


LOL Hai...."for a mere $3000 bucks, B28 can be yours!" said Dolan with an evil snicker........ Ridiculous!

[Edited on 1/17/2009 by Eileen1]


Maybe the Joker has taken over Gotham City, where is Batman?


jcb - 1/19/2009 at 03:59 AM

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Can't make the Beacon shows but thought I'd share my "Metallica" ticket experience...

Trying to get 1 ticket for my nephew for the Garden (Boston) show. Over the last few days not once, ever, has a ticket popped up. One ticket!

Of course I could get him 1st row floor for $696 plus a reasonable $102 service charge.

And there's an option to buy ticket "insurance" for another $100 or so.

And yes, all of this is available on ticketbast*rds new scalping site.

Anyway, that's why I'm up this early. Hoping for day of show tickets to be released.


Update:

Patience truly is a virtue....

Literally 1.5 hours before showtime I was able to score a 7th row floor seat for my nephew. I imagine the encores are starting about now...

Face value, near his buddies who managed to get tix during the pre-sale. I'm pretty happy.

We should keep it to ourselves, day of show is the way to go


emr - 1/19/2009 at 04:13 AM

I find that Ticketmaster often releases tickets 2 weeks, one week and 2 days before concerts. I would never turn down tickets banking on this since it doesn't always happen but perseverence and OCD can be helpful. Five years ago I got my son a single ticket to see the Stones at MSG literally 2 minutes before they stopped selling tickets 5 hours before the concert. They must have recounted or something.


skydog007 - 1/19/2009 at 08:02 AM

Well I got skunked for Friday and Saturday....... Am considering whether I can justify traveling across the country without tickets....

peace and love--scotty


harvey - 1/19/2009 at 01:16 PM

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Well I got skunked for Friday and Saturday....... Am considering whether I can justify traveling across the country without tickets....

peace and love--scotty


Hey Scotty ... considering all you have done in previous years to make the Beacon experience complete ... especially with regards to the "Jam for the Cure" in 2007 ... surely someone at HTN will help you out?????

Sincerely hope so my friend ...


lolasdeb - 1/19/2009 at 03:28 PM

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Well I got skunked for Friday and Saturday....... Am considering whether I can justify traveling across the country without tickets....

peace and love--scotty
Hey Scotty ... considering all you have done in previous years to make the Beacon experience complete ... especially with regards to the "Jam for the Cure" in 2007 ... surely someone at HTN will help you out?????
I'm with you, Scotty - debating whether or not my trip will be happening. Also have to ditto what Colin said - you've definitely earned some return kindness for all you've done in years past - really hope your tickets come through! You are an integral part of the magic fabbily atmosphere that is Beacon.


Lettesgo - 1/24/2009 at 08:50 PM

Just checked e-bay...lots of tickets available from "ticket-toad" (an online store)--a sampling:
3/19 2 seats--Row AA/center-- $5850.00 (with free shipping!)
3/21 2 seats--Row AA/center-- 6500.00 "" """
3/12 2 seats--Row CC/RC 2210.00 "" ""
3/10 2 seats--Row BB/center 3900.00 "" """
They have plenty more for sale


I thought the whole point of TM making you type out the crazy security codes was so that these "scalpers" could not get all these seats? How does an on-line ticket seller have front row, or first few rows? How do they get them?

Not that I was looking for rows AA or BB....(yeah like that would ever happen), would have been happy for a couple of seats in Orch or Loge---like I always seemed to get.

Still hoping for more shows to be added...

---Lette


atlbarb - 1/24/2009 at 11:20 PM

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I got tickets for 3/19, 3/20, and 3/21 during the pre-sale. Why didn't everyone do this? Or was I just lucky?


I guess I could have taken a vacation day to sit here at night and hope I got tickets on the pre-sale.


I was out of town at my uncle's funeral and completely missed the POG and the pre-sale. You were indeed very luck, a lot of people did the Presale and did not get Sat tickets


The_Newt - 2/2/2009 at 03:29 AM

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Great post Mule' ....it is irrelevant 'when' the TICKETMASTER folks went into the scalping business...the point is ...they ARE.

In addition, DOVETAIL has the balls to ask the real question. Seems highly unlikely that the "Artists'' and the ''Promoters"...and the "Site Owners (Beacon)" are not aware of the practice and one could only surmise that they ALL benefit. I have copy/pasted my post from the other thread....it is relevant. I do so only to reiterate my point...

________

Guys & gals....

I haven't read all 4 pages of posts--up to this moment--but have scanned several. I hate to pose a rather obvious question that NO one seems willing to address....but has it occured to anyone that perhaps this IS the deal the 'band' has negotiated??? I argue with myself in regards to 'capitalism' and the idea that this IS the 40th Anniversary and the 'band' should have a right to make all the money they can. Yet, I remember the 'battlecry' of years gone by about the "Band of the People". I think that has sadly become a myth.

Quite frankly, I am also upset with the 'gameplan' of selling the public on the idea of "Superstars'' attending .....Clapton, Scaggs, Franklin, BETTS?.....then 10 shows are listed. We've all rushed out and bought tix for the first 10 shows...NOW SOLD OUT!. Now sure as sh*ttn....there will be "Due to Demand--5 more shows ADDED!". Betcha Clapton comes to one of those shows and we who have made plans to travel to NYC from all over the country during the first 10 nites get stuck with the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople" as our 'special guest' on the 21st. I hope I'm wrong but I smell something funky and it ain't Aaron Neville. Then--WOW--we'll have to rush back to our homes and purchase the MOOGIS thing so we'll get to see "CLapton". What a GREAT marketing plan!!!

Nevertheless....I'm coming with a smile on my face to hear some good tunes albeit in the nosebleeds and most importantly hang out with my friends from all over the world. I'll cheer when the 'bass player from Mott the Hoople' is introduced and describe how 'great it was!". But if there' is a '41st year'.....I have a feeling I'm going to be a bit more choosy and remember how it 'used to be'.

Pardon me being a bit cynical....ironically, I'm in 'business' and I know how it works. I've also been accused before of being 'brutally honest'. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it....


____________________
Brodana




I hope what you wrote isn't true. Hopefully the ABB will put on a kick ass legendary show the first night of the Beacon shows.


ruthelane - 2/2/2009 at 03:51 AM

Yet, I remember the 'battlecry' of years gone by about the "Band of the People". I think that has sadly become a myth.


Unfortunately, I have come to the same conclusion.

They have announced five more shows. I've already sold my soul to the legal scalpers. And I'm not really excited about these new shows. I'm not making two trips to NYC. I just hope they set aside enough tickets for their loyal fans to have a shot at it. Good luck to all seeking tickets in the new pre-sale. You will need it.


lolasdeb - 2/2/2009 at 03:52 AM

Good luck to all attempting the pre-sale tomorrow night! Hope you find your dream tickets and hope we ALL get the great shows we're looking for.


Lettesgo - 2/3/2009 at 07:27 PM

All I can say about the added shows and the presale last night...
YEESSSSSSSSS!
Sitting at my computer...at 7:55pm, clicking refresh every 2 seconds waiting for the "Find Tickets" icon and I was in...instantly. This time---looking for 2 seats for the Sat. 3/28 show on the Amex fan-sale--I was given Orch-LC, Row R, aisle seat & next as the first available. You know I clicked the button without a moment's hesitation (FYI--didn't ask for the password).

It made up for the prior miserable experience that many of us had (re: being shut out, etc.).

I hope a lot of you were able to score tickets this time....

See 'ya on the 28th!

---Lette


Lettesgo - 2/9/2009 at 04:08 PM

Just an update....
The s**t has hit the fan in New Jersey about Ticketmaster/Ticketsnow.
Due to the "technical difficulties" at the TM site encountered by fans attempting to purchase Springsteen tickets last week, thousands of complaints were filed with the NJ Dept. of Consumer Affairs...the NJ Attorney General, Congressmen and Representatives have begun an enquiry into the way fans were re-directed to the Ticketsnow site. Today I read that N.Y.'s Chuck Schumer is looking into it.

This prompted me to file my own complaint with NJDOCA as well as my Congressman and others, also to one of New Jersey's largest newspaper (The Record) regarding the un-availability of tickets to the ABB shows.

I wanted to bring to their attention the fact that the probe should concern itself with the point that at the exact moment tickets went on sale to the general public, none were available (any price, any seat) but within 10 minutes, one could get tickets at the (scalping) Ticketsnow site. Did Ticketmaster divert (read: steal) tickets that should have been available to consumers and make them instead available at inflated prices at Ticketsnow ?

The president of Ticketmaster has apologized (to Bruce fans) and vowed that the Ticketsnow site will not pop up next to the "sorry...no tickets available" window anymore. Big deal!

Ticketmaster should be charged with fraud and theft. We'll see how this plays out. Will keep you posted on what happens next.

---Lette


Sang - 2/9/2009 at 04:19 PM

The TicketsNow box is now missing if you try to buy ABB Beacon tickets........


lolasdeb - 2/9/2009 at 04:53 PM

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The TicketsNow box is now missing if you try to buy ABB Beacon tickets........
Justice!


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