Thread: INSTANT LIVE AND ABB ARCHIVAL CD's ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

Rowland - 1/3/2005 at 09:56 PM

INSTANT LIVE AND ABB ARCHIVAL CD'S ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

The Allman Brothers Band management has noticed a number of people listing Instant Live and ABB Archival CD's for trade in the Tape Trading forums. This is illegal and will not be tolerated.

We will delete listings of Instant Live and ABB Archival CD's for trade. Your account will be banned if you list an Instant Live or ABB Archival CD for trade. If this continues, we will have to take more drastic action such as taking the days with Instant Live and ABB Archival CD's out of the trading lists, or even removing the trading forums entirely from Hittin' The Web.

I know that most of you understand this is illegal and do not tolerate it. Please report anyone trading Instant Lives to me or Lana.

Thanks for your support and compliance with this. Let's keep tape trading alive, folks!!

best,
Rowland

[Edited on 3/29/2006 by Rowland]


finsky - 1/3/2005 at 10:05 PM

I think Rowland's post should belong somewhere on the main page.

This very question gets asked here waaaay too much.

[Edited on 1/3/2005 by finsky]


TopDroog - 1/3/2005 at 10:06 PM

Where I see this the most is in the Have Recordings/Want Recordings sections following the setlists of the IL dates. Check 9/25/04, for instance. I was a bit surprised by the brazeness of the offers, as I hadn't seen this at all in the Trades forum.

[Edited on 1/3/2005 by TopDroog]


CanadianMule - 1/3/2005 at 10:07 PM

It does get mentioned too often and 99% of people know the answer. Let's police ourselves so we don't ever lose the Trading part of the forum. Most people follow the policy and wishes of the band. Those that don't please show some respect.


UNCLEJON75 - 1/3/2005 at 10:18 PM

These shows are definitely hot commodities. For instance, when I was at the Bristow show this past September a guy in front of me bought 10 copies of the show! You know he probably had the intentions of selling/trading these shows. I find it very disturbing when these people do not follow the wishes of their "favorite" bands.


rosshmusic - 1/3/2005 at 10:34 PM

bump ^^^ we need to make sure everyone reads this, yes most of them know... but since it's here let's keep it up for a while - I sure appreciate the ABB letting us trade audience tapes and we would like to keep it that way.


RobJohnson - 1/3/2005 at 10:48 PM

Thanks for understanding, y'all! Just to be ultra-super clear, you CAN trade an audience recording of the EXACT SAME SHOW as an Instant Live, just not the soundboard source.

Think about it, the band is saying "You can record any of our concerts, and copy and distribute them to anyone in the world. However, we ask that you not trade and/or duplicate any recordings that WE made." That's not a lot to ask, really.


CanadianMule - 1/3/2005 at 10:49 PM

Not a lot to ask at all Rob.


Marley - 1/3/2005 at 10:50 PM

quote:
I think Rowland's post should belong somewhere on the main page.

This very question gets asked here waaaay too much.

Is there a way to keep this thread on page one of this Forum? Maybe it should be in the FAQ, too.


leftyblues - 1/3/2005 at 10:51 PM

I don't believe this....this band gives us TONS of free music...how can you not get this..Rowland as soon as they post that crap, boot em..

[Edited on 1/3/2005 by leftyblues]


TopDroog - 1/3/2005 at 10:58 PM

quote:

Is there a way to keep this thread on page one of this Forum? Maybe it should be in the FAQ, too.


If you check the trades forum, there is a post similar to this one. In the subject title of the thread, though, you see the word (topped) in light blue type. I assume that's a way of keeping the post on the top of the list, similar to FAQ's and "read this first" posts on other forums.


bluefox - 1/3/2005 at 11:09 PM

Just keep bumping it and it will stay on Page 1 of the forum.


Marley - 1/3/2005 at 11:13 PM

quote:
Just keep bumping it and it will stay on Page 1 of the forum.

The other way is a lot simpler and would save some annoyance.


JaminRebel - 1/3/2005 at 11:25 PM

You know I've been trading off and on for about five years, and when I came back to this website after having been off the internet for several months, I had to ask about the recent Instant Live project, simply to get a clarification of what is allowed. I know it makes perfect sense that it is illegal to duplicate and trade ABB, DBGS, etc, Archive Releases, and or Instant Lives, but I still wanted to see something in print spelling out exactly, that those recordings were out of bounds in the trading circles.


Also, too many commercial recordings are mistakenly traded all of the time. I know FREEBIRD THE MOVIE, the soundtrack is constantly traded. I used to tell everyone not to trade that soundtrack. But traders trade the show as Knebworth, but the soundtrack is only a Knebworth partial, plus Asbury Park, NJ and also Oakland, CA. Most people simply did not know what they had, and I always tried to clarify the situation when I could.


The Instant Live recording is somewhat new, I think. And I had to ask others in a thread I created, just to find out if other sources, audience sources, would be available for trade. I wasn't clear as to what might be available for trade. Anyway, I have no instant lives, and only two shows from March of 2004.


And traders also should make a notation at the top of their list, or on a webpage reminding and educating traders on the novelty of the Instant Live recording, and how those recordings, the soundboard sources, are simply not for trade.


If Rowland's note had been up on the front page of this website two weeks ago, I wouldn't have had to ask my question. I think it is important that this website makes a point to educate and to warn traders that there are consequences to trading those recordings.





Slide_Guitar_Tom0223 - 1/3/2005 at 11:28 PM

Uh-oh......


PhotoRon286 - 1/3/2005 at 11:40 PM

quote:
Where I see this the most is in the Have Recordings/Want Recordings sections following the setlists of the IL dates. Check 9/25/04, for instance. I was a bit surprised by the brazeness of the offers, as I hadn't seen this at all in the Trades forum.

[Edited on 1/3/2005 by TopDroog]


And you won't.

Anytime we see an offer, someone points out that only a purchased, official show can be swapped for another purchased, official show.

Not CDR copies.

My etree list does have a few IL shows listed, but I haven't been able to notate Not For Trade.

Funny thing is, no one has asked me to trade those listed.


PhotoRon286 - 1/3/2005 at 11:44 PM

quote:
These shows are definitely hot commodities. For instance, when I was at the Bristow show this past September a guy in front of me bought 10 copies of the show! You know he probably had the intentions of selling/trading these shows. I find it very disturbing when these people do not follow the wishes of their "favorite" bands.


What you just desribed is perfectly legal.

It's when the buyer copies them and trades the copies that is not.


PhotoRon286 - 1/3/2005 at 11:45 PM

quote:
You know I've been trading off and on for about five years, and when I came back to this website after having been off the internet for several months, I had to ask about the recent Instant Live project, simply to get a clarification of what is allowed. I know it makes perfect sense that it is illegal to duplicate and trade ABB, DBGS, etc, Archive Releases, and or Instant Lives, but I still wanted to see something in print spelling out exactly, that those recordings were out of bounds in the trading circles.


Also, too many commercial recordings are mistakenly traded all of the time. I know FREEBIRD THE MOVIE, the soundtrack is constantly traded. I used to tell everyone not to trade that soundtrack. But traders trade the show as Knebworth, but the soundtrack is only a Knebworth partial, plus Asbury Park, NJ and also Oakland, CA. Most people simply did not know what they had, and I always tried to clarify the situation when I could.


The Instant Live recording is somewhat new, I think. And I had to ask others in a thread I created, just to find out if other sources, audience sources, would be available for trade. I wasn't clear as to what might be available for trade. Anyway, I have no instant lives, and only two shows from March of 2004.


And traders also should make a notation at the top of their list, or on a webpage reminding and educating traders on the novelty of the Instant Live recording, and how those recordings, the soundboard sources, are simply not for trade.


If Rowland's note had been up on the front page of this website two weeks ago, I wouldn't have had to ask my question. I think it is important that this website makes a point to educate and to warn traders that there are consequences to trading those recordings.



Those welfare checks only go so far.

Go away Deanie.










leftyblues - 1/4/2005 at 12:12 AM

quote:
The other way is a lot simpler and would save some annoyance.


what he said..


cleaneduphippy - 1/4/2005 at 12:24 AM

This is weird question but someone got to ask it. What about Instant Live recordings that have been taken off market? I'm thinking about the 2003 shows (with the exception of Raleigh, which is still available). I think somewhere down the line that this may be an issue. Sure, if you can buy from the ABB (or people who they have designated to sell it for them) then of course the only ethical thing is to buy a copy. The "gray area" is going to come when the Instant Lives are no longer commerically available, how's one to get a copy and not feel like they are "ripping off" the band. Rowland, perhaps somebody in the band or management could "enlighten" us on this.


TerriB - 1/4/2005 at 12:31 AM

Fred, I'm sure that would still be taboo. But why not ask for an audience recording of the same show? The Gregg CD One More Try is out of print and I wouldn't ask anyone for a copy of that. I guess the alternative would be to check eBay.


ABBstillrockin04 - 1/4/2005 at 12:44 AM

The funniest think I've seen yet was a trader who had studio shows on their list, like "hittin' the note", etc.. way too goofy.


CanadianMule - 1/4/2005 at 01:05 AM

^


CliffnTina - 1/4/2005 at 02:23 AM

Bump.


TanDan - 1/4/2005 at 03:31 AM

TerriB, you brought up a good point but I am leaning towards 'no harm done if out-of-print'. I have that 'One More Try' CD and it is fantastic. I am sorry that it is out of print. I would not sell a copy of it to anyone ever, but how could I deny a listenable copy? The New Yorker recently ran a very good article on the same subject lamenting how differently we treat books, art, music, speeches, etc. when it comes to 'copyrights'. There seemed to be a double standard.

I started a thread on this forum about music that doesn't exist anymore, in any form. My example was 'Back in 72' by Bob Seger. It is gone forever and yet to this fans ears one of the best he's ever done. Since it is nowhere to be found why can't I make a copy for a friend? If Bob cared, he'd be selling the album today. I think this is slippery ground with each arguement being both true and false at the same time. I don't want to cheat anyone out of any money, but if no money is being made anywhere at all, why the harm? We have all recorded music for friends, if not from an album, from the radio.

IL's shouldn't be for trade, I agree. But I could copy the IL for myself and GIVE the origonal away. The courts support that idea.


Rowland - 1/4/2005 at 04:05 AM

I absolutely understand and relate to the desire to share out-of-print material - especially great material! Unfortunately, copying an out-of-print commercial recording is no more legal than copying one that is currently in stock at Amazon. And Instant Live's are commercial recordings.

Rowland


Rocktopus - 1/4/2005 at 05:07 AM

I received a show last year that was traded as an audience recording and about a month later I ordered the 6 pack Instant Live. After listening to the Instant Live I was amazed at how close the trade sounded to the Instant Live
Unfortunately I can't remember who sent it to me.
It is sad that we even have to bring up this subject and that the rest of our trading is in danger of being terminated.


finsky - 1/4/2005 at 05:52 AM

*I absolutely understand and relate to the desire to share out-of-print material - especially great material! Unfortunately, copying an out-of-print commercial recording is no more legal than copying one that is currently in stock at Amazon. And Instant Live's are commercial recordings.*

This is where things get weird. I would like to know what the ABB/management's stance is over the recent dvd project headed by Denza. Is this supported by them, & the like?

Similar to TanDan, I've transferred things from vinyl, well... b/c it's only available on vinyl. After getting it on cdr format, I HAVE given them to people that were interested. Maybe 2-5 people. However, let's be serious-if hundreds & thousands of people wanted a cdr copy off of me, I probably wouldn't need to do the transfer in the first place>the album would most likely be IN PRINT so I could just buy it. Would've saved me much time & money if this was the case.

There are exceptions though: I think Neil Young figured this out when he finally released "On the Beach" on cd.

I won't get into the studio sessions involving Duane..... yet. Maybe some day. A labor of love that has been betrayed by those LOSERS on ebay.

I don't think copying/transferring OOP (out of print material) to the IL shows is remotely close with the degree of "violations" we are discussing. Is it wrong, & breaking the law? Probably. But let's use our heads here. There is a demand for Instant Live shows right now. They need to be purchased to support HTN, Kid Glove, & the other bands involved.


Hophead - 1/4/2005 at 06:25 AM


It cannot be made more clear than this:

INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

Out of print, in print, regardless. If you want a copy of an IL show for which you didn't (for whatever reason) get the Instant Live disk ....

THEN TRADE FOR THE AUDIENCE TAPE, FOR GOODNESS SAKE!

Tapers rule!


Hophead - 1/4/2005 at 06:32 AM


Read what I wrote above.

There is no ambiguity there. Nothing subject to interpretation.

INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

If they are traded then tapers will lose incentive to go to the shows and tape. They put forth a LOT of effort, friends! Listen to their tapes with pride! Don't sneak around trying to get an Instant Live after the fact.

You could've gotten one from Kid Glove. If you didn't and still get one, then you are betraying the Brotherhood! Harsh words, but fact.

Please, just trade for the audience tape if you weren't cognizant enough to get the IL.

Tapers rule!


Hophead - 1/4/2005 at 06:36 AM


Re Denza's DVD project ...

I don't believe a single frame of Denza's wonderful DVD has ever been commercially released. When or if it is, then it will no longer be tradable.

In the meantime enjoy it and hope that someday soon a commercial high-quality version is available. Denza will rejoice at that day and so will I.


Hophead - 1/4/2005 at 06:38 AM


I apologize for the multiple posts, but this is a subject about which I have very strong feelings.

In case anyone hasn't gotten the message yet ...

INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS ARE NOT FOR TRADE!


johnwott - 1/4/2005 at 07:24 AM

Don't make him get the robot monkeys after you!


PEace
John


finsky - 1/4/2005 at 02:28 PM

*Read what I wrote above.

There is no ambiguity there. Nothing subject to interpretation.

INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS ARE NOT FOR TRADE!*

Read it, & it's understood. Very CRYSTAL clear. Did you read my last sentence to my post?

My "ambiguity" doesn't lie with INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS. It's with albums such as TanDan's Bob Seger albums.


chris - 1/4/2005 at 03:03 PM

Hey Hop- I'm a little bit confused... can we trade Instant Lives?



ozzypie - 1/4/2005 at 04:35 PM

I'm trying to collect all the '04 shows. I have alot of IL's from the 18 '04 shows I've been to and also have alot of audience recordings that I've collected so far. I'll say at least 90% of the audiences are every bit as good as the IL's and in some cases better. Also, some of my IL's have a TAO type gap between tracks which is annoying and for the money paid should not be there. The powers that be are right to bitch about the copyright infringement which has been going on since the IL's were introduced ( you're just noticing now?) but a little quality control of the discs themselves (the TAO gaps go back to the '03 discs too) would be appreciated by this paying customer...


goldtop - 1/4/2005 at 04:39 PM

Is this horse dead yet???????????????? This has been beatin into a pile of trebeling slop.........

It's amazing that Rowland needs to step in to CLARIFY what has been said on this forum many many times.......But because it hasn't been said by someone who people think has the knowledge there are some who would actually question the legaity of trading released material......And make excuses like...."Hey I'm ripping of corporations who have been ripping us off for years!!!".........If it has been release at any time and is in print or not you don't have the right to make numerous copies to give out to others who will then do the same thing.......

It really is a no-brainer.............


LinnieX - 1/4/2005 at 04:46 PM

THANK YOU ROWLIE!!!

thank god we have a definative source to send people who just DONT GET IT.


TopDroog - 1/4/2005 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Is this horse dead yet???????????????? This has been beatin into a pile of trebeling slop.........

It's amazing that Rowland needs to step in to CLARIFY what has been said on this forum many many times.......But because it hasn't been said by someone who people think has the knowledge there are some who would actually question the legaity of trading released material......And make excuses like...."Hey I'm ripping of corporations who have been ripping us off for years!!!".........If it has been release at any time and is in print or not you don't have the right to make numerous copies to give out to others who will then do the same thing.......

It really is a no-brainer.............




I don't think there are any who don't get it. There are many, however, who don't care.

Post the rules. [done] If one breaks the rules, they lose their privileges. Seems simple enough to me.

What I'm reading into Rowland's post though, is that if simply banning these abusers is not enough to stop the trend, then one or both of these things could happen 1) shows that are released as IL's will no longer be tradeable (which I believe is the Dick's Picks policy) and 2) this web site will no longer support a trading forum. I'm sure most of us would agree that either of these possibilities are grim. And, while the GD organization can put a policy in place about old shows, it's really up to the integrity of the traders to live up to it. The ABB can give the policy some teeth, however, by enforcing this at future shows: not allowing people to tape any IL show.


Lee - 1/4/2005 at 07:36 PM

quote:
The ABB can give the policy some teeth, however, by enforcing this at future shows: not allowing people to tape any IL show.



I hate to even say this, but this might actually encourage unscrupulous folks from copying & trading the ILs if they can't get a taper's version. Just a thought...


tenaciousme - 1/4/2005 at 07:51 PM

If people were not allowed to audience tape IL shows, and then after the IL's of those particular shows were out of print... this would drive demand and prices through the ceiling. It would be like prohibition. A bonanza for the illegal traders. If they forbid audience taping of specific IL shows they would need to make damn sure a massive supply existed for them to not go out of print for a long time. Imagine the most mind blowing ABB show ever. Then imagine no audience tapes existed. Then imagine the 50,000 or so IL's of that show sell out. Those would be on e-bay at unbelievable prices and a certain amount of people would cdr them at unbelievable prices. The only real alternative would be no taping and no IL's. And that most mind blowing show would be gone forever.


Johnny - 1/4/2005 at 07:56 PM

Um, I don't want to do any illegal trading, but how does one go about getting a copy of that DVD that Denza made?


cleaneduphippy - 1/4/2005 at 08:38 PM

Concerning the older IL shows that are no longer available, I think that at some point down the line that the ABB and/or ClearChannel will eventually set-up a website, that for a fee, someone could download some of these "archival" IL shows. The shows are already digitally recorded and if there is a demand for certain "archival" shows, this would be a way for fans to get a IL quality recording of the show and still allow the ABB to be compensated for their work. It's certainly something for the band to think about, which I'm sure some of them may be doing.

[Edited on 1/4/2005 by cleaneduphippy]


TanDan - 1/4/2005 at 10:19 PM

I've never held a IL, but I will when HTN ships me the Fox Box I ordered.


PhotoRon286 - 1/5/2005 at 01:08 AM

quote:
quote:
The ABB can give the policy some teeth, however, by enforcing this at future shows: not allowing people to tape any IL show.



I hate to even say this, but this might actually encourage unscrupulous folks from copying & trading the ILs if they can't get a taper's version. Just a thought...


I was thinking the same thing.

Ban the audience tapes so the IL is the only one available.

Wait for six months to make it available. (other than night of show)

Wonder why no one wants to buy it. (cause everyone got it from the attendees)

And don't even think about BT.


ClayPelland - 1/5/2005 at 01:20 AM

Hey does anybody have a feel for what the other bands are doing? The ones that also do the IL thing? Are they more liberal as far as trading, or are they of the same thought as the ABB? I'm just kinda curious of what the norm is?


PhotoRon286 - 1/5/2005 at 01:35 AM

Good point Clay!

I still think management ought to be more interested in the jessica-1707 types who are obviously looking to trade/sell.

These are the type who don't even buy 20 copies of the IL at the venue and resell.

At least those folks have paid the band.

But don't go looking at Phil & Friends.

They do that friendly BT thing.


Billy_Kain - 1/5/2005 at 01:39 AM

PEARL JAM has directly said that they do not give a f*ck what anyone does with their IL recordings (the NY show has Eddie Vedder saying to the crowd to trade them all you want).... " If you bought a copy, thank you "

I know for a fact that PEARL JAM is not linked to Clear Channel/Instant Live. It is another company that is doing their shows.

THE WHO doesn't seem to care either.
PIXIES only print up 1000 copies per show. Almost all the shows recordings have been sold out before the show happenes via a pre-sale.

Thanks RON, completely forgot about PHIL LESH...... The live downloads are his gift to his fans for buying his concert tickets year after year without record sales. Just seems right to him to give back to the hard-core fans who have supported him for years.

[Edited on 1/5/2005 by Billy_Kain]


ABBstillrockin04 - 1/5/2005 at 01:54 AM

I don't think the profit from ABB IL's would increase if Audience Tapers were banned from the shows, I mean how many people actually trade... I doubt many that attend concerts..... I could be wrong because there are a lot of us around. Even people that do trade, still buy IL's... I can see if the copy and tradings of IL's continues, I'm sure Tapers will be banned from not only ABB gigs, but all clearchannel gigs... hence, wiping out most of tape traders


ClayPelland - 1/5/2005 at 02:23 AM

I really hope the tapers are left alone!


CliffnTina - 1/5/2005 at 04:27 AM

The ABB taping policy has been in place long enough that I'm certain that they're not going to allow ILs, or ClearChannels to jeapordize that policy. Bad traders will be responsible for that. We've been quite vigilant in keeping said to fairly low numbers. I'm confident that this will remain OUR policy.


Slammer - 1/5/2005 at 06:37 AM

quote:
...I think that at some point down the line that the ABB will eventually set-up a website, that for a fee, someone could download some of these "archival" IL shows. The shows are already digitally recorded and if there is a demand for certain "archival" shows, this would be a way for fans to get a IL quality recording of the show and still allow the ABB to be compensated for their work. It's certainly something for the band to think about, which I'm sure some of them may be doing.



Warren already does this with the Mule Tracks deal.

http://www.muletracks.com/

You can DL Flac, MP3, or WMA files of shows for a fee


spyder9 - 1/5/2005 at 06:42 AM

quote:
I don't think the profit from ABB IL's would increase if Audience Tapers were banned from the shows, I mean how many people actually trade... I doubt many that attend concerts..... I could be wrong because there are a lot of us around. Even people that do trade, still buy IL's... I can see if the copy and tradings of IL's continues, I'm sure Tapers will be banned from not only ABB gigs, but all clearchannel gigs... hence, wiping out most of tape traders


Dude, we'll never be wiped out. Get a clue. Every Rolling Stones show was taped on the 40 Licks tour. Every single one. If ABB banned tapers, they would just be stealthed like the Stones.

That being said, I would like to personally thank the band for allowing me to tape their shows and applaud their awesome performances from this past summer. Can't wait for the Beacon shows. I'll be at Gregg & Friends at Niagara Falls too. Peace.


Twiggs - 1/5/2005 at 03:47 PM

quote:
INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

The Allman Brothers Band management has noticed a number of people listing Instant Live recordings for trade in the Tape Trading forums. This is illegal and will not be tolerated.

We will delete listings of Instant Live recordings for trade. Your account will be banned if you list an Instant Live recording for trade. If this continues, we will have to take more drastic action such as taking the days with Instant Live recordings out of the trading lists, or even removing the trading forums entirely from Hittin' The Web.

I know that most of you understand this is illegal and do not tolerate it. Please report anyone trading Instant Lives to me or Lana.

Thanks for your support and compliance with this. Let's keep tape trading alive, folks!!

best,
Rowland

As an attorney and a former Roadie, I can tell you that this is the fastest way to force a band to revoke taping and trading priviliges. This is stealing from the band members. Why do that to a band that has been so good to their family of fans? IMHO


spyder9 - 1/5/2005 at 04:32 PM

I agree Twiggs. I'm a taper. I came to this site in September to offer my recordings of the Syracuse and Darien Lake shows. I made some trades w/ people who I thought were sending me other AUD recordings. Instead, I got copied ILs. I think the trading should be restricted to AUDs only. No one can be trusted to trade original IL for original IL. Too easy to make copies. That's just my 2 cents.


ABBstillrockin04 - 1/5/2005 at 08:10 PM

quote:
quote:
I don't think the profit from ABB IL's would increase if Audience Tapers were banned from the shows, I mean how many people actually trade... I doubt many that attend concerts..... I could be wrong because there are a lot of us around. Even people that do trade, still buy IL's... I can see if the copy and tradings of IL's continues, I'm sure Tapers will be banned from not only ABB gigs, but all clearchannel gigs... hence, wiping out most of tape traders


Dude, we'll never be wiped out. Get a clue. Every Rolling Stones show was taped on the 40 Licks tour. Every single one. If ABB banned tapers, they would just be stealthed like the Stones.

That being said, I would like to personally thank the band for allowing me to tape their shows and applaud their awesome performances from this past summer. Can't wait for the Beacon shows. I'll be at Gregg & Friends at Niagara Falls too. Peace.


I'll be coming to you for a copy of that show!


Gregallmanfan - 1/6/2005 at 12:56 AM

quote:
These shows are definitely hot commodities. For instance, when I was at the Bristow show this past September a guy in front of me bought 10 copies of the show! You know he probably had the intentions of selling/trading these shows. I find it very disturbing when these people do not follow the wishes of their "favorite" bands.


I don't tape/trade much, although some of you tapers have been incredibly generous and sent me cd's of shows I was at. I really don't know the etiquette or the law, but it seems to me, if someone BUYS 10 copies, even with the intent to trade them, that should be OK. It's certainly better than if he bought one and copied it. Am I missing something? I just don't want to unknowingly do something wrong.

See you at the Beacon.


TopDroog - 1/6/2005 at 01:17 AM

My guess is that the dude with the ten shows was planning to sell them on ebay.

I think the '04 Chicago Instant Live almost hit $200.00, and the Fox Run was considerably higher than that.

While taking a show that you properly purchased for $25.00 and selling it for $187.50 (I think the final price was) might be taking advantage of folks that aren't aware that the show will again be available for $25.00 in a few months (or are too impatient to care), I assume it's technically legal.

When people say "trading IL's," they mean trading unlicensed copies of IL's. My guess is that there are very few people who are trading their purchased, official IL's for other purchased, official IL's. (ps, if you do this after making a copy for yourself, that's still illegal - when you sell a licensed product you lose your right to the content).

Read those agreements when you click "I agree." Not precisely the same thing, but pretty close.


starjfa - 1/6/2005 at 05:19 PM

What about Gov't Mule's "Mule Tracks" shows? There are a lot us of out here who feel cheated because these shows are not available to the general public. They are only available to those individuals who are rich enough to afford CD Burners in their PC's and high-speed access. What about us "Po' Folks"?


TopDroog - 1/6/2005 at 07:02 PM

Same deal with the ABB shows. QUALITY AUDIENCE RECORDINGS ARE AVAILABLE FOR FREE TRADE.

PM me your mailing address. I'll send you Mule's NYE show to prove it.


rosshmusic - 1/6/2005 at 08:00 PM

quote:
What about Gov't Mule's "Mule Tracks" shows? There are a lot us of out here who feel cheated because these shows are not available to the general public. They are only available to those individuals who are rich enough to afford CD Burners in their PC's and high-speed access. What about us "Po' Folks"?


Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean your being cheated. I am listening to the Mule NYE show right now that I got as an AUD recording and it came out very well. Hook up with TopDroog or me and We'll get you a copy.


linus - 1/7/2005 at 12:01 AM

I think one of the best ways to help maximize the legitimate circulation of IL's is to release the IL's of a particular leg of the tour about a month after it's completion instead of in one glut at the end. If I could have bought 10 shows at a time I would have collected them all, but one bump for all of them was a bit stout for my wallet. Perhaps then you could have a second issue in November/December to give folks a chance to get what they missed. A little more involved, but I suspect it might be more profitable for the band


Skydogj - 1/8/2005 at 03:00 AM

quote:
The Allman Brothers Band management has noticed a number of people listing Instant Live recordings for trade in the Tape Trading forums. This is illegal and will not be tolerated.



Video trading TV broadcast are illegal as well
does this apply?


Charlesinator - 1/8/2005 at 04:21 AM

Theoretically, Jason, I suppose it does, but do you really want to make an issue of it? The ABB mgmt. is concerned about money out of their pocket in the here and now. Trading Instant Lives or commercially available studio or concert recordings is BS and uncool. What's the problem?


Skydogj - 1/8/2005 at 05:07 AM

I am not making an issue
I am making a point
I could care less, I record shows with my own equipment, I don't need IL as long as they allow tapers, but it is a great concept.
my point is, if the trading section is getting cracked down on, then crack down on all illegal activities.

I am all about trading video, I record and offer the stuff up on my own site, and could be found guilty. I don't list them here, although I might offer a link or two from time to time of the ABB performances off of TV (illegal...technically)
My point is, those who are thinking they are "better off" when infact they break very very similar rules. I break some, we all do, but those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.



[Edited on 1/8/2005 by Skydogj]


CliffnTina - 1/8/2005 at 08:40 PM

"I'm guilty. I'm telling you I'm guilty. I am not going to stop. Therefore I shall remain guilty. This makes all of the rest of you wrong."


ABBstillrockin04 - 1/9/2005 at 01:59 AM

I don't understand why Recording a video of the ABB playing would be illegal... I mean it's not like the beacon dvd where they're going to make profit off of it.. and is it totally necessary to keep this in the anything goes part of the forum.. If anything, it should be in the trades forum which it is, and the vines section of the forum.


CliffnTina - 1/9/2005 at 02:32 AM

At the end of the game tonight, listen very closely.


Skydogj - 1/9/2005 at 05:07 AM

it is not illegal to record a video, it is illegal to record a video and make copies and give/trade it away.
copyright violation
same stipulation on records, IL, DVDs, etc


ABBstillrockin04 - 1/9/2005 at 05:17 AM

I don't understand why you can't trade a recording like that, it's the same as an audio recording.... only video. Ah, guess that's how the bullet flies.


Skydogj - 1/9/2005 at 05:32 AM

you ever heard on a ballgame(football, baseball...etc)

...retransmition or rebroadcast without expressed written consent of "______" is prohibited(spellin??)

that is the illegal side they are telling you about.

the subject, to me, was what I quoted Rowland on the first time, the legality of the issue. Illegal is Illegal. We all know it is not gonna stop, but it is frowned upon, and not accepted on this site.
I just wanted to know if it applied to the video side as well, cause it is the same law, and I didn't want to get in hot water with those that run this place.


ladymule - 1/9/2005 at 06:03 AM

quote:
The Gregg CD One More Try is out of print and I wouldn't ask anyone for a copy of that.


Terri, keep your eyes open for it in stores that sell used cds. That's how we found our copy. Good luck!

* To clarify, "copy" = original disc and booklet--not a burn.



[Edited on 1/9/2005 by ladymule]


jeffs - 1/11/2005 at 10:36 PM

I was curious about where this stands...i saw the Raleigh 03' discs at a record store...one of the bigger chains...not in the used bin but in the new section...how does this fit in?


Hophead - 1/11/2005 at 11:16 PM


If it's for sale in a record store then it is a licensed copy, no problem. It is when traders burn copies and send them to others that the band objects to.

If you want a copy of an IL show, either buy a licensed copy or trade for an audience recording. Simple as that.


TopDroog - 1/12/2005 at 01:49 AM

quote:
I was curious about where this stands...i saw the Raleigh 03' discs at a record store...one of the bigger chains...not in the used bin but in the new section...how does this fit in?


I've also seen that same IL in a Sam Goody or whatever. I think the distributors tried that with a couple of the popular shows to see how they'd fare outside the established fan base.


brofan - 1/12/2005 at 04:55 PM

One More Try is listed on amazon.com for $45.99


Johnny - 1/14/2005 at 02:55 PM

If it's for sale in a record store then it is a licensed copy, no problem. It is when traders burn copies and send them to others that the band objects to.

Not so sure about that Ron. I went into a cd store in the Village that was selling brand new, in the wrapper, commercial cds for $3-$5. I asked him how he could do that and he said all the other stores were ripping people off. Yeah, that's the ticket...

I've seen the 9/16/71 Warehouse show and othe vintage shows repackaged and sold as new goods. They do a great job making them look authentic. Although this isn't pertaining to ILs, I'm not sure that buying in a record store would guarantee that everything was on the up and up.


Hophead - 1/14/2005 at 06:50 PM



I also have seen bootlegs at a record store. But the only ILs sold at a store are licensed copies. So far ...


Billy_Kain - 1/15/2005 at 04:12 AM

quote:
Not so sure about that Ron. I went into a cd store in the Village that was selling brand new, in the wrapper, commercial cds for $3-$5. I asked him how he could do that and he said all the other stores were ripping people off. Yeah, that's the ticket...


Complete BS here in these facts. Have worked in the music industry for many years. Retail costs for CDs are considerably more than this, even to Walmart who buy 100,000 copies of top con product.

Either re-packaged goods or boots sold as the real deal.


CanadianMule - 1/15/2005 at 04:45 AM

quote:
quote:
Not so sure about that Ron. I went into a cd store in the Village that was selling brand new, in the wrapper, commercial cds for $3-$5. I asked him how he could do that and he said all the other stores were ripping people off. Yeah, that's the ticket...


Complete BS here in these facts. Have worked in the music industry for many years. Retail costs for CDs are considerably more than this, even to Walmart who buy 100,000 copies of top con product.

Either re-packaged goods or boots sold as the real deal.


I agree completely with Billy.


PeteGammons - 1/15/2005 at 03:52 PM

quote:
quote:
Not so sure about that Ron. I went into a cd store in the Village that was selling brand new, in the wrapper, commercial cds for $3-$5. I asked him how he could do that and he said all the other stores were ripping people off. Yeah, that's the ticket...


Complete BS here in these facts. Have worked in the music industry for many years. Retail costs for CDs are considerably more than this, even to Walmart who buy 100,000 copies of top con product.

Either re-packaged goods or boots sold as the real deal.


Nobody remembers John Lovitz? "Yeah, that's the ticket . . ." Whoever posted the story of the 3-5$ CD's knew the guy was lying to him. The poster's point was to to say, in response to Ron's comment about official IL's, that just because something appears legitimately packaged doesn't mean it's a legal, licensed product.

Heck, I know places where you can buy factory sealed DVD's - complete with official artwork - of movies that opened in theaters yesterday.

It amazes me that these people are not rounded up and thrown in jail on a regular basis . . . but they're not, so the abuse continues.

I see all this as being a very simple issue. If you like what a band or author, or producer, or director, is doing for you, you should be happy to pay them accordingly. If you take something that has a price tag on it buy you haven't paid, then you've stolen.

[Edited on 1/15/2005 by PeteGammons]


fsducati - 1/16/2005 at 04:05 AM

I think this topic has been beat to death. No Instant Live trades. Lets move on.


Libby - 1/17/2005 at 05:39 AM

quote:
I think this topic has been beat to death. No Instant Live trades. Lets move on.


Thank you! I agree!


LexABB - 1/19/2005 at 08:31 PM

quote:
quote:
I think this topic has been beat to death. No Instant Live trades. Lets move on.


Thank you! I agree!


No Thank you, I agree


bird72 - 1/20/2005 at 02:05 PM

^bump^


bird72 - 1/20/2005 at 02:05 PM

hehe


bobbyr - 1/22/2005 at 02:33 AM

Hey Top Droog,
would you be so kind to burn me a copy of Govt Mule 12/30? Let me know. acoustic@nac.net


TopDroog - 1/22/2005 at 02:26 PM

Sorry bro, never had 12/30 of 04, though I may have 12/30/03. If you're referring to NYE (12/31) of 04, well, I had that, but not any longer. Somebody else should be able to hook you up. Check out the "Trades" section of the forum.


jim - 1/23/2005 at 06:01 PM

Are Instant Lives available for trade yet? Just kidding!!!


MikeNice - 2/2/2005 at 06:40 PM

quote:
I think one of the best ways to help maximize the legitimate circulation of IL's is to release the IL's of a particular leg of the tour about a month after it's completion instead of in one glut at the end. If I could have bought 10 shows at a time I would have collected them all, but one bump for all of them was a bit stout for my wallet. Perhaps then you could have a second issue in November/December to give folks a chance to get what they missed. A little more involved, but I suspect it might be more profitable for the band


I like this idea. Personally I passed on buying any because I can only afford one at a time and can't decide exactly which one to buy. If I knew for certain that I could get them as I had the money come in I would probably buy at least 4 or 5. I know I want the Fox Run and the Raleigh show. However if I knew they would be available on demand I would probably also pick up the "Pick Of The Litter" set as individual albums. That would add up to a lot more money for the band in the long run.


yankweed1 - 2/4/2005 at 05:48 PM

shame shame


PeachNutt - 2/6/2005 at 02:35 PM

MikeNice
Pick one anyway - you can't go wrong with the IL's......they're all great...try any of the Fox run shows from Sept 04.......you'll be a winner all the way.... Jones Beach Aug/04 and Michigan 8/29/04 are 1st class too......give it a spin......you CAN'T go wrong!!
Prasie Jah!!!
PeachNuTT (aka EllKaBong!)

[Edited on 2/6/2005 by PeachNutt]


LexABB - 2/8/2005 at 03:13 PM

The Knoxville show I thought was looked pretty good, with a good mix of old and new


sb - 2/10/2005 at 10:21 PM

Hi Rowland
I assuming this got bumped again in response to my post to get rid of the Fox Instant Live set. Really I feel like this was a big waste of 100 Canadian dollars.

It is not my intention to trade copies. I have no use for the originals and the nice folks at Kid Glove don't seem to want to help me exchange them. I rather put them to some use, becasue I'll never listen to them again.

If you need to remove the line in my post about trading them please do so.

Thanks
Sean



PeachNutt - 2/12/2005 at 04:06 PM

???? You did not enjoy the Fox Box? Serious? Have you had your temperature taken recently? I'll be happy to take them off your hands. Ophelia, where have you gone?
PeachNuTT

[Edited on 2/12/2005 by PeachNutt]


ABBstillrockin04 - 2/13/2005 at 09:18 PM

quote:
Hi Rowland
I assuming this got bumped again in response to my post to get rid of the Fox Instant Live set. Really I feel like this was a big waste of 100 Canadian dollars.

It is not my intention to trade copies. I have no use for the originals and the nice folks at Kid Glove don't seem to want to help me exchange them. I rather put them to some use, becasue I'll never listen to them again.

If you need to remove the line in my post about trading them please do so.

Thanks
Sean





They don't take returns because people like you copy a set for yourself and send the original copies back... which is illegal.


spanger - 2/13/2005 at 11:10 PM

quote:
They don't take returns because people like you copy a set for yourself and send the original copies back... which is illegal.


Damn! That's presumptuous.


LexABB - 3/1/2005 at 06:26 PM

I just wanted my name at the top of the page



Constantly....


mckendrick - 3/3/2005 at 02:11 AM

Rowland,

Some people think your post should be on the main page.

I think you should BANNER THE SITE WTH IT,even BEFORE login.

I for one will stand up and be counted if anyone tries to trade me an Instant Live.

I didn't spend £606.00 getting the 2004 run shipped to the U.K. just for somebody to tape it and offer me a plum!

It would be very sad if the trading forum had to be excluded from the site because of this.


fsducati - 3/6/2005 at 04:31 PM

Can we put an Amen to this topic. Everyone gets the point!


LexABB - 3/8/2005 at 06:41 PM

quote:
I just wanted my name at the top of the page



Constantly....


JaminRebel - 3/11/2005 at 03:56 AM


yurtle - 3/12/2005 at 01:47 AM

Hopefully the tinfoil hats will protect us from the space monkeys


ElizabethBowman - 3/15/2005 at 07:13 PM

quote:
Hopefully the tinfoil hats will protect us from the space monkeys


Yurtle, could you please tell me how you put that pic in your signature? Also, does it show up in your sig on the guestbook?

Thank you,
Lizzy


TWCREA - 3/17/2005 at 02:50 PM

What exactly are instant live recordings? I have been absent from the forum for a couple of years and I am happy to return. I've seen several posts and I'm just wondering.


BigWindy - 3/18/2005 at 03:19 PM

Instant Lives are shows recorded by the ABB and sold at their shows and
you can also buy them @ Hittin the Note...........EAPFP


liveillusion - 3/26/2005 at 08:01 PM

I have picked up 3 Instant Live Shows from 2004 and found a 2003 show in a store yesterday. Even though the older shows are not available at this time, I would like to see set lists just to get an isea what I've missed and what I have to be on the look out for. Any idea where I can see individual set lists? Are they anywhere on the site?

Thanks,
Mike U


Sherrick - 3/27/2005 at 04:04 AM

several ways, all of which involve the menu on the left of your screen there...easiest of which is the Setlists link. the Instant Lives are in the Merch section, too.


tumblin - 5/14/2005 at 02:30 PM

I am new at this so please bear with me. Where can I get some noncopy-wrighted downloads. Do you have some to post, or is it all?


JaminRebel - 5/14/2005 at 08:29 PM

If you steal the Instant Live Recordings in a trade, you will find it difficult to dance to them in good conscience. Really. Stealing is BAD.




Slammer - 5/15/2005 at 10:35 PM

3-21-05

The ABBsolute best of the run !!!


Sherrick - 5/18/2005 at 03:21 PM

quote:
I am new at this so please bear with me. Where can I get some noncopy-wrighted downloads. Do you have some to post, or is it all?


sad to say, the Allman Brothers Band does not allow downloading of their shows...you have to trade them through the mail, or record a show yourself when you go to one.


phillybob - 5/22/2005 at 01:07 AM

and I have over 1,000 from the good old postal service so whats the problemoooooooooo


Sherrick - 5/22/2005 at 02:59 AM

quote:
and I have over 1,000 from the good old postal service so whats the problemoooooooooo


to most people...there is no problem. To some, there is.


fanfrom-71 - 5/22/2005 at 03:04 AM

quote:
Instant Lives are shows recorded by the ABB and sold at their shows and
you can also buy them @ Hittin the Note...........EAPFP
Dickey Betts also!


jessica0717 - 6/3/2005 at 07:05 PM

quote:
quote:
and I have over 1,000 from the good old postal service so whats the problemoooooooooo


to most people...there is no problem. To some, there is.


It's not a matter of a problem, just a convinience. It's cheaper to download. It saves a bunch ot trips to the post office. Also, You don't have to worry about rude people not answering messages to trade or b n p a show!!


Sherrick - 6/6/2005 at 07:54 PM

once you factor in the cost of your internet connection, its not really all that much cheaper.

as for "rude people" not replying...there's no rule that says that anyone with a recording absolutely has to share it with every person who emails them. Its just as rediculous to assume that, as it is to assume that everyone actually WANTS to download tunes.

In today's NOW NOW NOW!! culture...I find the ABB's stance on electronic trading to be refreshing.


jessica0717 - 6/6/2005 at 08:42 PM

you seem to have a problem with many of my posts. Your posts that have been replies to me seem to be in a tone that suggests I don't know what the heck I'm talking about IMO. I don't appreciate it that much. I'm not trying to preach to you or anything of that nature, but everyones opinions should be respected. My internet connection is a part of cable and phone. Knology is great!! I didn't say people didn't have to share, but a simple no is fine. I have had many people say they were too busy to trade. Not answering is flat out rude, I'm sorry.

Peacefully submitted,
Adam


ABBstillrockin04 - 6/12/2005 at 11:30 PM

Instant Lives are just as nice as digital... many people don't know how to convert flac files to wav files, than to burn them to disc... that's why so many more enjoy instant lives... no fuss, its all set and ready to listen to. However, like anything else... if you're not an apprentice towards the subject, it's going to cost more... your toilet brakes, instead of fixing it, you hire someone... same thing with downloading vs instant lives. You save $10 by having knowledge to do so.

I'm fine with the non-digital policy. I don't see what's the problem. Instant Lives, and Taper recordings is all you need.

quote:
once you factor in the cost of your internet connection, its not really all that much cheaper.


that has nothing to do with it.... we're talking digital vs. Instant Live.. which is cheaper. People that buy instant lives could still pay for cable internet and still not know how to download.


Sherrick - 6/13/2005 at 02:24 PM

quote:

quote:
once you factor in the cost of your internet connection, its not really all that much cheaper.


that has nothing to do with it.... we're talking digital vs. Instant Live.. which is cheaper. People that buy instant lives could still pay for cable internet and still not know how to download.


I disagree. We're not talking about the people who dont download....since they wouldnt download anyways. To download, you have to have a connection to the internet, which aint free. People use the internet for all kinds of things. Maybe there's some guy who likes roleplaying games...but he's got a computer with DSL, and he doesnt use it to play roleplaying games...would you factor the cost of his DSL into his roleplaying budget? No, because he doesnt use it for that. Its the same deal. Just because you, or I, or that guy over there use the connection we have to download music, doesnt mean that everyone does.


skarlitfyer - 6/16/2005 at 01:45 AM

i got to hear the bonaroo show on xm radio would love to get a copy of their sets sounded great any info on who might trade or swap or something any help would be highly appreciated


ABBstillrockin04 - 6/16/2005 at 03:39 PM

quote:
quote:

quote:
once you factor in the cost of your internet connection, its not really all that much cheaper.


that has nothing to do with it.... we're talking digital vs. Instant Live.. which is cheaper. People that buy instant lives could still pay for cable internet and still not know how to download.


I disagree. We're not talking about the people who dont download....since they wouldnt download anyways. To download, you have to have a connection to the internet, which aint free. People use the internet for all kinds of things. Maybe there's some guy who likes roleplaying games...but he's got a computer with DSL, and he doesnt use it to play roleplaying games...would you factor the cost of his DSL into his roleplaying budget? No, because he doesnt use it for that. Its the same deal. Just because you, or I, or that guy over there use the connection we have to download music, doesnt mean that everyone does.


That still has nothing to do with the topic that was brought up. We're not talking about internet connections, we were talking about digital vs instant live. I'm sure people that dont know how to download have fast connections and could easily be downloading vs buying Instant Live.


Sherrick - 6/16/2005 at 11:40 PM

show me a way to get a digital fileset without an internet connection, or sending it through the regular mail, and I'll understand.

btw...Pete Scheips....great guy. Fun shows...i like his work with Bruce.


ABBstillrockin04 - 6/17/2005 at 02:18 PM

I'm just saying, the cost of the internet shouldn't be the factor that would be added to the cost of downloading music. A lot of people pay a lot a month for internet who don't necessarily download music. Instant Lives are more of a convience, you get the case, the labeled cds, it looked professional. That's what you get. With downloading, you convert files from flac to wav, and throw them on cd. That's cheaper. And it's even cheaper if you're downloading the shows vs Instant Live more often. The internet would kind of pay for it's self after all the shows you could download vs instant live. Just my $.02

Pete rocks!


jessica0717 - 6/19/2005 at 11:31 PM

quote:
I'm just saying, the cost of the internet shouldn't be the factor that would be added to the cost of downloading music. A lot of people pay a lot a month for internet who don't necessarily download music. Instant Lives are more of a convience, you get the case, the labeled cds, it looked professional. That's what you get. With downloading, you convert files from flac to wav, and throw them on cd. That's cheaper. And it's even cheaper if you're downloading the shows vs Instant Live more often. The internet would kind of pay for it's self after all the shows you could download vs instant live. Just my $.02

Pete rocks!


I agree with you 100%. They need to see the light. Warren seems to be the only hope, since he has a good relationship with Gregg and Gov't Mule does Mule Tracks


dbeman - 6/27/2005 at 02:18 PM

Once the band is convinced that there is $$$ to be made at minimal cost to them, we'll start seeing Pay to Download shows....unless of course the band has an iron clad contract with Clear Channel that forbids that sort of thing.

(FYI Instant Live = Clear Channel)


jessica0717 - 6/29/2005 at 09:30 PM

quote:
Once the band is convinced that there is $$$ to be made at minimal cost to them, we'll start seeing Pay to Download shows....unless of course the band has an iron clad contract with Clear Channel that forbids that sort of thing.

(FYI Instant Live = Clear Channel)


I know that. That's why they can only do it at clear channel venues.


drkstr40 - 7/7/2005 at 09:06 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=474 3885233&rd=1

what are you supposed to do about people like this? if instant live is not for trade, I'm sure it's not for sale.


jessica0717 - 7/8/2005 at 04:34 AM

i agree completely. It's a shame some people will do anything to make a buck. They're not true ABB fans


TopDroog - 7/21/2005 at 12:40 AM

Suppose I buy an Instant Live and don't care for it. I have every right to sell it to somebody else. The copyright infringement comes in if a) you're making copies and selling those, or b) you're keeping a copy for yourself and then selling it.

The legal, though most agree unethical, abuse of this is when people buy instant lives at the shows for $25.00 and then sell them on ebay to the highest bidder before the shows are available through HTN. I think last year's Chicago show got up to about $200.00. I assume the buyers are unaware that they can buy legit copies from HTN after the summer run for their orginal prices.

Same thing goes for ebay bootleggers in general; they're feeding off of the ignorance of music fans looking for quality material. Just the other day I "rescued" the high bidder in an auction for the A&R studios show. I sent him the show for free, and he really appreciated it. The guy saw some live Duane for sale that he'd never heard of it, so he tried to purchase it. Can't fault anybody for that. The sellers know damn well what they're doing, though. In a lot of cases, the slimeballs are probably getting the shows from us, too. That's what really burns me up.

Sorry for the rant.


slowhand6 - 7/21/2005 at 12:47 PM

quote:

The legal, though most agree unethical, abuse of this is when people buy instant lives at the shows for $25.00 and then sell them on ebay to the highest bidder before the shows are available through HTN. I think last year's Chicago show got up to about $200.00. I assume the buyers are unaware that they can buy legit copies from HTN after the summer run for their orginal prices.


How is this any different from what Ticket Master is doing? I didn't hear the outcome but I heard that Ticketmaster was being challenged on their practices enabling all of the best tix to be sold with the intention of being resold at a higher price. Perhaps the outcome will give some direction to the practice of doing the same thing with Instant Lives.


gina - 7/21/2005 at 09:40 PM

quote:
quote:
I think Rowland's post should belong somewhere on the main page.

This very question gets asked here waaaay too much.

Is there a way to keep this thread on page one of this Forum? Maybe it should be in the FAQ, too.


If you want to keep it up Marley , people could just put a smiley as a reply to keep it alive and on the front page!


gina - 7/21/2005 at 09:41 PM

quote:
quote:
Where I see this the most is in the Have Recordings/Want Recordings sections following the setlists of the IL dates. Check 9/25/04, for instance. I was a bit surprised by the brazeness of the offers, as I hadn't seen this at all in the Trades forum.

[Edited on 1/3/2005 by TopDroog]


And you won't.

Anytime we see an offer, someone points out that only a purchased, official show can be swapped for another purchased, official show.

Not CDR copies.

My etree list does have a few IL shows listed, but I haven't been able to notate Not For Trade.

Funny thing is, no one has asked me to trade those listed.


Glad you're not a bootleg bandito!


slowhand6 - 7/30/2005 at 02:12 PM

Anyone who trades on this forum knows where the trades go down. I've never gone to the setlist tourdate section to get shows. Perhaps there are those who do but they are obviously the ones that are willing to break the rules concerning Instant Lives. Maybe it's best to eliminate the "Haves & Wants" from there since there is a rather extensive protion of the Forum dedicated to Trades & Vines.


Bingylandmusic - 8/9/2005 at 07:15 PM

Believe it or not I found this interresting once I got around to reading the entire thing. I prefer collecting commercial recordings with cash myself...
On a side note: ascap and Bmi have been frowning on the- trade in- resale of cds for sometime ,mostly because the artist doesn't get anything from the resale. I have few brothers ones that way .. but I had bought the album orginally(my rationalization)... we all need to rationalize from time to time...

Yeah, I was telling someone to buy Macon 72 and they returned my e -mail by saying they traded for it or somebody burned it for them....I was surprised at that ..... I was trying the get the band another sale at the time...


slowhand6 - 8/12/2005 at 05:19 PM

If you've read this whole thing then you probably understand that the only shows that are tradeable are the ones that have not been officially released. So the ban d isn't losing money if your bud sticks to unofficial releases. Otherwise you should tell him not to buy the illegal boots. Most of the time they're inferioro to what he should buy anyway.


TopDroog - 8/18/2005 at 02:20 AM

quote:

On a side note: ascap and Bmi have been frowning on the- trade in- resale of cds for sometime ,mostly because the artist doesn't get anything from the resale.


Well, I'm not a lawyer, but too bad for them. They made their money when I bought my copy new in the store (for instance). If I choose to sell the media and my rights to the material, that's my business.


jessica0717 - 8/18/2005 at 06:54 PM

buying it at the show and selling it on e-bay for 200 dollars like some do, is a moral crime to me. Crock of **** .


TopDroog - 8/18/2005 at 08:20 PM

Well, I'd agree with that. I'm talking about getting 3-4 bucks for stuff you don't want anymore from a used CD shop.


musicalbeds - 8/21/2005 at 05:27 PM

Wow, long thread.

I'm slightly confused and I haven't seen this addressed, but I might have missed it, sorry if I did...are all the Instant Live shows available through this website at some point?

I'm particularly interested in the recent Aug 20th show because it had Chuck Leavell, and Instant Live didn't record his Toronto appearance..I understand it did distribute this show so I would like a copy.

Can I get one from this site?

Sorry to interrupt the thread, feel free to argue around this post.


musicalbeds - 8/22/2005 at 12:28 PM

I hope they are available.

It makes sense they would be....it would help keep people from trading them if they were available. It won't stop it...some people just can't be cool no matter how easy you make it for them....but it will surely allow all the good people who want it to purchase it directly from the band.

How easy is that?


jessica0717 - 8/22/2005 at 02:54 PM

JNB said they will be available after the tour is over.


Lofty - 8/29/2005 at 06:27 AM

No Bitchin" allowed wit da bros. They are our last best hope for real music in this twisted hip hop POP world. Whatever they do or play is fully acceptable by me. DO NOT BASH,.... They DO NOT deserve it !


jessica0717 - 8/30/2005 at 01:18 AM

who the hell is bashing them? take some anger medicine man.


Bluenose - 10/3/2005 at 05:31 PM

Ryan Adams has an FTP site of live recordings and unreleased material, which is available for download. Some of the fans became aware that somebody (I cant remember his name) was downloading this stuff and flogging it on Ebay, selling it as an offical release. They petitioned Ebay and got his account closed down.

Maybe if anybody sees IL's for sale on Ebay, they should do the same thing.


T-Sizzle - 10/10/2005 at 08:21 PM

yea rowland you tell it the way it is
-tc


BikeNJ420 - 1/6/2006 at 02:01 PM

Anyone know if they will be doing Instant Live for this years Beacon run?


JMidnightrider - 1/13/2006 at 11:05 PM

most likely not...


Zam - 1/22/2006 at 04:01 PM

I'm anxiously awaiting my 2005 Instant Live recordings. Has anyone received theirs yet from the preorder?

Zam

[Edited on 1/22/2006 by Zam]


leftyblues - 3/13/2006 at 05:54 PM

please do not burn these and trade them..


bckeefe2004 - 3/14/2006 at 09:11 PM

I'm no angel or expert when it comes the ABB but used to tour w/ Phish and I highly agree w/ Rowland!!! Peeps who trade things of this nature should w/ no question be banned from website such as these and reported immediately to the administrator!!!


johnj - 3/24/2006 at 03:10 PM

i think we get it. dont trade instant live recordings. can we put this to bed and listen to some a.b.b.


PeachNutt - 3/29/2006 at 01:14 AM

I hope the goofies without much common sense have gotten this message-
I also hope they understand that it also pertains to the Hittin' The Note Archive Releases that so many us love and adore, as well as all commercially released music......
burning commercially released music is called stealing, and rightfully so.
It also puts way too many business's out of business.....
Please BUY THEM - DO NOT BURN ARCHIVES OR IL'S....

[Edited on 4/23/2006 by PeachNutt]


mickyddawg - 4/22/2006 at 01:55 AM

Just got my "Instant Live" CD from the Bros. concert at Hi-Fi Buys Ampitheatre in Atlanta on 10-1-05 which I attended! It's fuggin' awesome! I'm listening to it now, and it made me want to post my first message!


Bingylandmusic - 5/13/2006 at 12:23 AM

Va beach was fudging great too!!!


TRMGDEAD - 5/24/2006 at 01:54 PM

I don't know but.....I think that we all know not to trade these by now


joebeacon - 6/15/2006 at 02:20 PM

I just checked e-bay and there is loads of instant live for sale. If these people didnt want them why the **** did they buy them


allman-joe - 6/16/2006 at 01:51 PM

will instant live be available for the fallsview casino shows? i would be dissapointed if i came home with only some good canadian beer and no tunes for the ride home


lars - 6/30/2006 at 08:36 PM

can someone tell me if there is a way to buy a copy of a live show. i am looking for the june 18th show from city stages ? thanks in advance


Susiecue - 7/3/2006 at 09:34 PM

I would hate to inadvertantly get involved in a trade for an IL, so answer me this please: where it says Source is it going to say IL? Or how will I know it's an IL? Sorry for my ignorance, but if I don't ask I won't know I guess.


TopDroog - 7/12/2006 at 03:42 AM

quote:
I just checked e-bay and there is loads of instant live for sale. If these people didnt want them why the **** did they buy them



I think you answered your own question there, bro.


skypup - 7/20/2006 at 03:53 AM

Sure would have been great if Instant Lives were around 37 years ago!


bluedad - 7/22/2006 at 08:08 PM

quote:
Sure would have been great if Instant Lives were around 37 years ago!



Oh Man...can't even imagine what we would have now.

Oh Well............


skypup - 7/22/2006 at 09:22 PM

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------
Sure would have been great if Instant Lives were around 37 years ago!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----




Oh Man...can't even imagine what we would have now.

Oh Well............


It's nice to dream sometimes. It's about like the biggun that got away. I think mine's growed 2lbs since it broke my line!


WhiskeyPhil - 8/20/2006 at 12:19 AM

sure thing


rottinpeach - 8/22/2006 at 05:16 PM

^


Dorothyann - 8/23/2006 at 07:44 PM



well I've lost my equilibrium
my car keys and my pride
tattoo parlor's warm
and so I huddle there inside
the grinding of the buzz saw
whatchuwanthathingtosay
just don't misspell her name
buddy she's the one that got away


du423 - 8/26/2006 at 04:25 PM

I am new to the ABB scene and just say the New Jersey PNC Arts Center Show on Aug 22nd. The show was awesome and I would like to buy a soundboard quality copy of this show. It seems that Instant Live only sells CD's before the fact, not after show. Does anyone know where I can buy a CD copy of this show, I can't find this anywhere. Thanks


Bingylandmusic - 9/16/2006 at 02:46 PM

quote:
I am new to the ABB scene and just say the New Jersey PNC Arts Center Show on Aug 22nd. The show was awesome and I would like to buy a soundboard quality copy of this show. It seems that Instant Live only sells CD's before the fact, not after show. Does anyone know where I can buy a CD copy of this show, I can't find this anywhere. Thanks


some IL sell after, I bought Va beach 7/05 around Jan 06... so there is hope


TopDroog - 9/21/2006 at 12:15 AM

quote:
^


Does anyone else see the irony here?


PeachNutt - 11/3/2006 at 01:25 AM

Check out Hittinthenote.com or the merchandise section right here on this website.....
you can buy them easily and be 100% legit too....... they are great folks too!!


bob1954 - 12/24/2006 at 07:18 PM

quote:
quote:
^


Does anyone else see the irony here?


Hehehehe...it took me a minute, but yes that is very clever (or dumb).


jak - 5/1/2007 at 02:49 AM

YES WE ALL KNOW ---NO TRADING INSTANT LIVES


bluesky12 - 5/13/2007 at 07:29 PM

i would like to have a crystal clear audio version of New York, NY 8.15.1971 that included hot 'lanta.

oh yeah, how long does it usually take to get an instant live?


bob1954 - 6/24/2007 at 01:25 AM

quote:
oh yeah, how long does it usually take to get an instant live?

Theoretically you can get one in an instant.


captskipper - 7/1/2007 at 05:54 AM

quote:
quote:
oh yeah, how long does it usually take to get an instant live?

Theoretically you can get one in an instant.


Or you can check out the Allman Oakley Fence Fund threads. join in on a raffle, partiscipate in an auction, buy some bumper stickers with a small donation. Give a hand, get invloved and make a difference


SkyPuppy - 7/1/2007 at 04:31 PM

INSTANT LIVE AND ABB ARCHIVAL CD's
....isn't this just basically selling bootlegs, something we always just traded for years?
This was always an unwritten taboo...to sell bootlegs.
We always traded for them, and never made a dime.


captskipper - 7/1/2007 at 08:46 PM

quote:
INSTANT LIVE AND ABB ARCHIVAL CD's
....isn't this just basically selling bootlegs, something we always just traded for years?
This was always an unwritten taboo...to sell bootlegs.
We always traded for them, and never made a dime.



For the most part the archive releases from HTN are unreleased shows or possibly shows that had been circulating but the archives had a more complete version or higher quality sound source to start from than was circulating so I think its great to get em out to the fans. The Instant lives are another animal altogether and are a very convenient purchase for folks that are fans but arent particularly traders or are familiar with the trading communities. For the most part they are a higher quality sound than the average aud copies although some of the audience tapers do record some very high quality shows.
On another note please check out the Allman?Oakley Fence Fund forum for various raffles , auctions and news. Brand new capt skipper tye dye tshirt auction at this site: http://www.myspace.com/allmanoakleyfencefund and some new ones to pop up soon.


PeachNutt - 7/1/2007 at 10:18 PM

Skip,

Thanks for all the great work you do....Archives and elsewhere......
we definitely appreciate them!!


captskipper - 7/1/2007 at 10:37 PM

quote:
Skip,

Thanks for all the great work you do....Archives and elsewhere......
we definitely appreciate them!!


Thank you Gary and you need one of these shirts from the new capt skipper tye dye tshirt auction at this site: http://www.myspace.com/allmanoakleyfencefund and some other ones to pop up soon. A roadie type piece of memorablila complete with ghosts of the Fillmore east signed by the Hound, Slim Jenkins and Calahan....coming soon to the AOFF raffles


PeachNutt - 7/6/2007 at 10:45 PM

Skip -
Let me in....how do I do this? I don't understand the MYspace site.
Happy to contribute.....I need a shirt too LOL...


PeachNutt - 7/7/2007 at 03:09 PM

Skip,

Thanks for the headsup.....I'll be sending $55.00 for the raffle..... Hope to get something cool!!!


rottinpeach - 8/13/2007 at 05:58 PM

Two thumbs ups for Munckmix. Folks should be satisfied with the quality..........

Thank you Allman Brothers for allowing us to get these shows!!!!!!
Your one band that know what the fans want......

[Edited on 8/13/2007 by rottinpeach]


stonepony - 8/18/2007 at 12:58 AM

It seems pretty clear. What don't these people get?


mudrat - 8/23/2007 at 11:47 PM

I was at Bushkill Falls and my ride left before I could get my Instant Live
discs I paid for. Dude at the booth told me to mail in my wristband with return address. I e--mailed munckmusic to confirm I should mail to them, have not heard anything. Anybody have any ideas? Should i just mail to Munckmusic, contact Hittin the Note Merch.? What do you think?

[Edited on 8/23/2007 by mudrat]


hilliardpeach - 8/26/2007 at 02:31 PM

How do Legally purchase the instant live recording from the DTE show Friday night


DALBOM - 8/27/2007 at 08:55 PM

just curious, the munckmix website mentions a surcharge for FLAC recordings.
anyone know how much that is?
thanks.
i met the ceo at bushkill and he was very friendly. we spoke for 20 minutes and he was very interested in how people felt about their service. very nice guy, from norway i believe. i told him to get the shows up faster!


SoundsLikeGregg - 11/1/2007 at 03:02 PM

quote:
Thanks for understanding, y'all! Just to be ultra-super clear, you CAN trade an audience recording of the EXACT SAME SHOW as an Instant Live, just not the soundboard source.

Think about it, the band is saying "You can record any of our concerts, and copy and distribute them to anyone in the world. However, we ask that you not trade and/or duplicate any recordings that WE made." That's not a lot to ask, really.


Thanks Bob, Before your post I was totally baffled. I have never traded music online before. thank you I was trying to understand what you could and couldnt trade..now I understand

I am a musician myself, actually I front a high level Allman Brothers tribute called The Brothers of the Road Band. We do State Fairs and Festivals all over the country. We arent big enough to get Live Nation interested but people are always recording our shows. Actually as I think about it we couldnt do instant live b/c it isnt our music it belongs to the Allman Brothers..hahahah oh well thanks Bob for the clarification


spicystick - 12/5/2007 at 03:30 AM

You can't trade Instant Live, but if I wanted to give a copy to an old friend I can. Is that ok? I would never trade my IL on a list or on line. Thanks.
How about Instant Live DVD's like "The Who" did on their tour last year?? Please Santa....

[Edited on 12/5/2007 by spicystick]


rosshmusic - 12/5/2007 at 03:26 PM

quote:
You can't trade Instant Live, but if I wanted to give a copy to an old friend I can. Is that ok? I would never trade my IL on a list or on line. Thanks.
How about Instant Live DVD's like "The Who" did on their tour last year?? Please Santa....

[Edited on 12/5/2007 by spicystick]
if by "give a copy" you are retaining your original then NO.


Capn - 12/6/2007 at 12:54 AM

c. 1973...
yesterday my friend brought over his copy of this new album LFE

I heard it and loved it...

so I made a cassette copy for my own personal use

about a month later i bought my own copy of LFE album...

then, about '85, bought the CD

roughly ten years later...
bought the remastered, special edition

Did I... (as Gregg likes to say)... "shoplift" ?

[Edited on 12/6/2007 by Capn]


Capn - 12/6/2007 at 01:22 AM

then again,

some have
Posts: 24
(23,978 all sites)

click on the FIND tab..
it reveals... 24 "freebies"

well,
actions speak louder than words...

[Edited on 12/6/2007 by Capn]


Jerry - 12/31/2007 at 01:50 AM

Another question is that now it's been reported that Kirk sold his cd collection of concert recordings to the Big House Museum, does that mean we can sell our copies legally?


SweetRebel - 12/31/2007 at 10:03 AM

quote:
Another question is that now it's been reported that Kirk sold his cd collection of concert recordings to the Big House Museum, does that mean we can sell our copies legally?


Who really gives a sh!t besides you and that other bunch of trouble making lemmings who tag around behind bigann??

Sheriff Jerry, go out and gather evidence against these entities you all are accusing of wrong doing, immorality, blah, blah, blah and prove your case! THEN, if Kirk West sold his live music collection sign up on effing eBay and have at it, brotha'!

Damn, I miss the old HTW site. Back then people really knew how to get a bitch on!


mattymul - 12/31/2007 at 04:58 PM

bump


Jerry - 12/31/2007 at 11:31 PM

quote:
quote:
Another question is that now it's been reported that Kirk sold his cd collection of concert recordings to the Big House Museum, does that mean we can sell our copies legally?


Who really gives a sh!t besides you and that other bunch of trouble making lemmings who tag around behind bigann??

Sheriff Jerry, go out and gather evidence against these entities you all are accusing of wrong doing, immorality, blah, blah, blah and prove your case! THEN, if Kirk West sold his live music collection sign up on effing eBay and have at it, brotha'!

Damn, I miss the old HTW site. Back then people really knew how to get a bitch on!




You sound like someone who would gladly put freely traded shows on E-Bay. Don't you know that when someone sells those concerts they put the entire trading scene into peril?
Obviously, you couldn't care less.


SweetRebel - 1/2/2008 at 01:07 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Another question is that now it's been reported that Kirk sold his cd collection of concert recordings to the Big House Museum, does that mean we can sell our copies legally?


Who really gives a sh!t besides you and that other bunch of trouble making lemmings who tag around behind bigann??

Sheriff Jerry, go out and gather evidence against these entities you all are accusing of wrong doing, immorality, blah, blah, blah and prove your case! THEN, if Kirk West sold his live music collection sign up on effing eBay and have at it, brotha'!

Damn, I miss the old HTW site. Back then people really knew how to get a bitch on!




You sound like someone who would gladly put freely traded shows on E-Bay. Don't you know that when someone sells those concerts they put the entire trading scene into peril?
Obviously, you couldn't care less.


Again, prove your allegations and we'll discuss the perilious disaster that will inflict the entire trading scene! I'm shaking in my Birkenstocks! You have more dramarama in you than a narcissist having a meltdown!

It's been reported, but has it been proven? No.

I highly doubt Kirk's recorded collection will ever hit the trading scene. The Big House and all it's contents related to the Allman Brothers were sold. I'm positive these shows will become part of the memoribilia collection in the Museum proper.

What I couldn't care less about is the vile cynicism of the band and other entities by you, bigann, springerclassic and RedRider.

bigann left her a$$ hanging out when she declared her job was finished here then began deleting posts. That speaks volumes about her credibility and leaves the book wide open for you, springer and Red.

By the way, I'm well aware of the peril selling traded music can do to the trading scene. I've been trading music for over 10 years, freely. Others have been selling for that many years as well. There's your peril. The trading scene is still strong even with downloading and pirating. There will always be room for freely traded music.

Kirk West has sat on music others would love to get their hands on, including me. Maybe under new ownership, we'll get to hear Duane and Berry in ways we could only imagine before.


matt05 - 1/3/2008 at 11:27 AM

i can't believe people are actually trading these. how hard is it to understand you can't make copies of/trade something that is officially released by the allman brothers


johnj - 1/22/2008 at 07:22 PM

i saw 2 instant live show's on e-bay for around $50. i just e-mailed e-bay and told them what the deal was. dickhead's


matt05 - 1/26/2008 at 11:31 AM

quote:
i saw 2 instant live show's on e-bay for around $50. i just e-mailed e-bay and told them what the deal was. dickhead's


huh? what are you talking about? were they burned copies or the actual product? once someone buy a cd legit they can sell it on ebay for whatever price they choose. they already paid for the product and the money that the band would get off of it was made


johnj - 1/28/2008 at 06:02 PM

quote:
quote:
i saw 2 instant live show's on e-bay for around $50. i just e-mailed e-bay and told them what the deal was. dickhead's


huh? what are you talking about? were they burned copies or the actual product? once someone buy a cd legit they can sell it on ebay for whatever price they choose. they already paid for the product and the money that the band would get off of it was made
they did not show the cover, that's prob why. people try to rip each other off all the time on e-bay. i think they just burned a copy and now are selling them. who is going to buy an instant live on e-bay for $50 when you can get a new one for $20 on h.t.n. just lookin out .


rottinpeach - 2/22/2008 at 07:50 PM

^


chris_webb - 4/23/2008 at 07:00 PM

i know the instant lives are hot item and ive got several myself from the shows from previous shows. Does anyone know how many they produce @ each show?


johnmalchow - 4/30/2008 at 10:34 AM

quote:
i know the instant lives are hot item and ive got several myself from the shows from previous shows. Does anyone know how many they produce @ each show?


we usually do 100 per show.last summer i think we printed 150 at a couple of shows.


harvey - 5/16/2008 at 07:43 AM

As the thread regarding the date of the "Peach Cobbler 6" Mountain Jam recording keeps sinking down the list, I thought I would post this here so that if anybody has any subsequent input in the forthcoming weeks / months, then they would be able to post here too ...

The original perceived date that the show was traded under of 5/23 has been ruled out and is definitely not the correct date of this show. To bring you up to date on the latest thoughts on this matter, I have copied some posts over from another thread on this subject . . .

First let me take you back through some linked posts by Joe Bell and Ann Sandlin . . .

quote:
JNB: David Michaelson also remembers a show originally scheduled for Gordy Tire on Peachtree street a few days after the 1st Atlanta Pop Festival that got changed at the last minute to the Agora Ballroom.


quote:
Ann: I know there was the one in November 22/23, 1969 but that didn't seem to be at the ballroom, although there is some question as to whether the venue was changed at the last minute and could well have been played there.


quote:
Ann: When I read the earlier (JNB) post I thought it sounded a little familiar and did some checking. Here is what I've got:

"Unless there are two separate instances, the show mentioned was not a few days after the 1st Atlanta Pop unless that festival was in November of 69. The show I think being referenced was scheduled for the Duke Tire Warehouse on 11th and Peachtree, November 22/23 and hastily changed to the Agora Ballroom when the Warehouse was condemned by the city. The price was raised from $3 to $4 when the venue changed."


quote:
JNB: I couldn't remember if it was Gordy Tire or Duke - but the location you mention is absolutely correct. Evidently, according to David Michaelson (who is a very serious collector/historian and participant of that time period), the higher-ups at Duke Tire didn't know that their place was going to be used for a “hippie” concert and the concert had to move to another venue when they found out about it. Then it had to move again. The ABB had people at the first Atlanta Pop spreading the word about the concert but hardly anyone came to the Agora as the venue had changed twice in a very short time. The 1st Atlanta Pop Festival was in July - so this particular show that David speaks of must have been in mid July of '69.


quote:
Ann: Question....since there is a venue of Duke Tire Company listed for November 1969 which is not too long after the Piedmont Festival, is there any possibility it wasn't the Atlanta Pop Festival but rather the Piedmont? Otherwise, how would the band be scheduled to play Duke Tire Company after they'd already been turned away? Just trying to make sense of some things.


quote:
JNB: That's a real good point - I'll check with David and revisit the time frames.


Now, listen to what Duane says at the introduction of the encore: “This next song we are about to do is a little bit out of character, but we think it is appropriate

I had thought it strange that they should play this particular encore, as it was more commonly used as a set opener, the appropriate encore being “Don’t Want You No More”. Could Duane calling this "appropriate" be a reference to the fact that their show had been moved from a location that they were no longer welcome at and they ended up at the ballroom as discussed above?

Furthermore, there is very little crowd noise on this recording, suggesting a small audience in attendance as attested by David Michaelson.

As Ann also said in an earlier post, the best lead we will have is getting the information on all the shows the ABB played for Alex Cooley, and identifying the (first?) one played at the Ballroom instead of the Duke Tire Co.

Although this evidence points to the show being the one that was relocated, which was supposedly in November ’69, my ears tell me this show should be from the spring of 1970. I spent one morning listening to the various traded shows from the ‘70s and concur with most other people’s observations that the Mountain Jam is very similar to the Ludlow Garage version, but perhaps a little bit more developed than that one, whilst slightly less developed / different to the Atlanta Pop Festival version.

Furthermore, Ann told us that the Statesboro Blues from this particular show (which has not yet been transferred from analogue to digital) has a double ending. I have checked out all the commercial releases and traded versions of Statesboro Blues from that era and note the following:

01 / 16 / 70 ... FILLMORE WEST – SAN FRANCISCO ..... NORMAL ENDING
01 / 20 / 70 ... UC – RIVERSIDE ..... NO STATESBORO
02 / 11 / 70 ... FILLMORE EAST – NEW YORK ..... NORMAL ENDING
02 / 14 / 70 ... FILLMORE EAST – NEW YORK ..... NO STATESBORO
03 / 13 / 70 ... WAREHOUSE – NEW ORLEANS ..... NO STATESBORO
04 / 04 / 70 ... LUDLOW GARAGE – CINCINNATI ..... DOUBLE ENDING
04 / 28 / 70 ... S.U.N.Y. – STONYBROOK ..... DOUBLE ENDING
05 / 02 / 70 ... SWARTHMORE COLLEGE ..... DOUBLE ENDING
06 / 14 / 70 ... PIEDMONT PARK – ATLANTA ..... NO STATESBORO
07 / 03 / 70 ... BYRON – GEORGIA ..... DOUBLE ENDING

07 / 05 / 70 ... BYRON – GEORGIA ..... NORMAL ENDING
07 / 17 / 70 ... LOVE VALLEY FESTIVAL ..... NORMAL ENDING
07 / 19 / 70 ... LOVE VALLEY FESTIVAL ..... NO STATESBORO
07 / 26 / 70 ... S.U.N.Y. – STONYBROOK ..... NO STATESBORO
09 / 04 / 70 ... THE SCENE – MILWAUKEE ..... NORMAL ENDING
09 / 27 / 70 ... PIEDMONT PARK – ATLANTA ..... NO STATESBORO
12 / 13 / 70 ... AMERICAN UNIVERSITY – WASHINGTON ..... NORMAL ENDING
12 / 31 / 70 ... WAREHOUSE - NEW ORLEANS ..... NORMAL ENDING

As can be seen, based upon these recordings, the experimentation with a double ending on Statesboro Blues also spans the Ludlow Garage to Atlanta Pop period.

Based upon this, I am pretty sure that the new recording is from sometime between April and June 1970.

Subsequently, Matt (origapch) added the following:

quote:
While we are continuing to uncover and get closer to the records where we hope an answer lies as to the exact dates that the Allman Brothers played at the Georgian Terrace Hotel Ballroom, other details are starting to surface. I had a very interesting conversation with an Atlanta historian about the Georgian Terrace Hotel and Ballroom a few days ago.

I must have asked a hundred questions and fortunately was talking to someone who had grown up in Atlanta as I did and could fill in many of the blanks for the questions I asked. The Allman Brothers played several shows in the Grand Ballroom in the spring of 1970. This is the same ballroom that hosted the reception gala for the opening of the movie "Gone With The Wind" in 1939. The ballroom was on the 1st or ground floor. I vaguely remember going to an event there in the late 60's, it was a huge open room with a drop ceiling and there was no bar set up. They had portable stations they brought in and set up for events.


Matt had previously established that the Ballroom was not called the Agora at this time, and so although we are still not sure of the exact date, the show venue is confirmed as ...

“The Ballroom at the Georgian Terrace Hotel – Atlanta”






[Edited on 5/25/2008 by harvey]


PeachNutt - 8/19/2008 at 05:34 PM

this may be a day late and a dollar short, but i have really fallen in love with the
last HTN Archive release- 8/17/71 Boston Commons...
this is an ususal show and took a while to grow on me, but is now amongst my favorites.......
Brother Berry is leading the pack...
Gregg is in great voice....
check out the machine gun drums on DKMW....
Duane is hot and juicey on both the LP and the SG......
Dickey is pickin' away.....
always looking forward to more in the future......


MikeBremer - 8/29/2008 at 03:07 AM

Nothing to add here.....

Just wanted to be on the big screen for awhile.....


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 03:28 AM

quote:
ABBCujo should understand that not even he is allowed to trade/burn instant lives like he does.





PeachNutt - 8/29/2008 at 02:20 PM

Not good - hope it not's true......
We love and should do whatever if possible (not to mention that it's the only "right thing to do")
to support Hittin' The Note so that we continue to have Archive releases and Instant Lives....
.....No ifs, ands, or butts.... Please do the right thing

[Edited on 8/30/2008 by PeachNutt]


PhotoRon286 - 9/1/2008 at 05:44 PM

Don't feed trolls.


WharfRat - 9/12/2008 at 11:05 AM

quote:
Not good - hope it not's true......
We love and should do whatever if possible (not to mention that it's the only "right thing to do")
to support Hittin' The Note so that we continue to have Archive releases and Instant Lives....
.....No ifs, ands, or butts.... Please do the right thing

[Edited on 8/30/2008 by PeachNutt]


No Gary it is not true...


phillybob - 9/12/2008 at 05:40 PM

This would be one of those things i would scratch my head and ask what the purpose is of trying to rat and upstanding person out. I immediately discount it as rubbbbbbbbish.


PeachNutt - 9/16/2008 at 05:41 PM

wharfman - glad to hear it.....
I sure hope a new Archive release is coming soon


AceOfWeirs - 10/21/2008 at 01:57 PM

I dunno bout ABB sdb trading , but the ratdog sbds are a free for all. They are traded all the time. WHich is a shame IMO. Sum the ppl just got too spoiled w sbds, i remember being used to a good aud tape back in the day. When i got a crisp sbd it was like christmas. Now the idiots have ruined all that trading sbds and thus ruining alot things for the ppl who really enjoy them. Alot times these **** s that trade the sdbs dont even listen to half the sbds, they jus stockpile them soo they can say " i have all the ratdog sbds form 03-08 bla bla bla to feed their pathetic speel of how heady they are.. Makes me sick really


jeffd1121 - 10/21/2008 at 03:34 PM

I'm not sure this is sacrilege, but why can't there be an option to buy specific songs from specific shows? I've heard 100 people say Les Brers from the 9-30-08 show is really special. I'd love to be able to buy just that for $____, vs. spending $25 on the whole show.


heineken515 - 10/21/2008 at 03:47 PM

Check www.abblive.com

Doesn't have individual songs, but the downloads are $14.95 as opposed to $25 for the CD's.


duderambler - 11/12/2008 at 04:33 PM

can we get an archive show with a "don't want you no more/ not my cross to bear" segue by the original band?


DanB - 12/20/2008 at 11:48 PM


Enzo - 2/15/2009 at 12:10 AM



[Edited on 2/28/2009 by Enzo]


rojamo - 5/19/2009 at 04:37 PM

rowland- I've got a problem with my Instant Live Recording from Oakland, 5/13. It's missing the last 3 songs on the 2nd CD. Do you know who can address this isssue? thx (rx6365@att.com) - - Rojamo


Joyce21 - 9/30/2009 at 04:23 AM

There is no ambiguity there. Nothing subject to interpretation.

INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS ARE NOT FOR TRADE!*

Regards

Joyce

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simulation de pret


vickylee - 5/17/2010 at 04:47 AM

I should care more about this!


forher - 6/14/2010 at 06:45 AM

I support this policy. Everyone should practice what is fair to the band.


jim - 4/25/2011 at 06:09 PM

I was in a record store (not even sure if they still call it that anymore) last weekend in my town and noticed the guy was selling ABB ILs for $40 a piece. I would imagine that is not legal either? What should the course of action be with regard to this? Its not trading technically, but it doesn't seem on the up and up to me.


matt05 - 1/8/2012 at 09:45 AM

quote:
I was in a record store (not even sure if they still call it that anymore) last weekend in my town and noticed the guy was selling ABB ILs for $40 a piece. I would imagine that is not legal either? What should the course of action be with regard to this? Its not trading technically, but it doesn't seem on the up and up to me.


was it the official thing or copies he made?


musicalbeds - 2/10/2012 at 06:20 PM

I just saw this;

http://www.spincds.com/coming-soon/a-r-studios-new-york-26th-august-1971

Anyone know anything about it?


piacere - 8/20/2012 at 05:51 PM

ummm, what?


Sang - 8/21/2012 at 03:47 AM

I hope you at least clicked on the links...............


piacere - 8/21/2012 at 12:53 PM

quote:
I hope you at least clicked on the links...............


no. Never.

the only links I ever click on are feeding the puppies in the WP and fighting breast cancer in AG.

I otherwise couldn't care any less...


Sang - 8/22/2012 at 05:29 PM

Thats how I feel about the patriots...........


piacere - 8/23/2012 at 01:15 PM

quote:
Thats how I feel about the patriots...........


oh, so that explains it...


Sang - 8/23/2012 at 01:53 PM

Yes.


jim - 12/12/2012 at 06:14 PM

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I was in a record store (not even sure if they still call it that anymore) last weekend in my town and noticed the guy was selling ABB ILs for $40 a piece. I would imagine that is not legal either? What should the course of action be with regard to this? Its not trading technically, but it doesn't seem on the up and up to me.
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was it the official thing or copies he made?



I believe they are the official thing, so perhaps he can charge whatever mark up he wants as long as he is paying for the original. He also has some dvds though that are definite rip offs from Moogis. They are from the 40th Anniversary Beacon shows. He also tried to sell me the Cow Palace NYE show for $50. Those were just copies of a recording. No thanks, dude!!


chkJOEDAVISBAND - 4/6/2013 at 04:43 PM

THEY WERE PROBALLY COPIES...WE HAVE had a lot of problems with folks copying ours off their pc's....i hate tech. these days..we are all going broke

[Edited on 4/6/2013 by chkJOEDAVISBAND]


Griffin56 - 6/4/2013 at 09:47 PM

How do I buy a CD from the March 15, 2013 Beacon concert?
Thanks. Deb


samadams757 - 9/15/2013 at 01:28 PM

http://www.hittinthenote.com/cart/p-1529-allman-brothers-bandbrbeacon-theat re-3-15-13.aspx


MARK - 5/9/2014 at 03:08 PM

We bought the ABB live March 19 Beacon cd and have had no luck receiving it or getting responses from anyone at Muchmix Inc.

Can you please offer some help ?

Order is 12014526


iancate - 8/3/2014 at 01:55 PM

they all get posted on pirates bay for free download.


iancate - 10/6/2014 at 09:58 PM

and yet they are all over the torrent sites....


Travis_M - 3/16/2015 at 12:34 AM

thanks for posting this


BillyBlastoff - 2/17/2016 at 06:50 PM

Now that the Instant Lives before 2007 are no longer available will they be able to be traded?


hanshotfirst1138 - 2/23/2017 at 03:17 AM

Are they for sale anywhere?


tbomike - 2/23/2017 at 05:38 AM

quote:
Are they for sale anywhere?


The big house has a link on the site for some and then the others are here.

http://www.thebighousemuseum.com/gift-shop/


https://www.munck-music.com/collections/the-allman-brothers-band


Taylor110E - 7/10/2017 at 01:45 AM

Would somebody please summarize to my amateur self what the deal is with Instant Live CD sets not being cool for trade? Thanks!


BirdsAway - 7/11/2017 at 09:22 AM

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quote:
Are they for sale anywhere?


The big house has a link on the site for some and then the others are here.

http://www.thebighousemuseum.com/gift-shop/


https://www.munck-music.com/collections/the-allman-brothers-band


Thanks for the links. That cost me a little over $100.


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