Thread: Fillmore West '71 Released- Your Comments

dzobo - 9/9/2019 at 10:20 PM

Now that it's finally out there ......


aiq - 9/9/2019 at 10:34 PM

Disc one blasting, we are at Duane in Liz.

The Mother **** Allman Brothers Band! GodDamn!


dzobo - 9/9/2019 at 10:56 PM

First I think it is important to recognize that this production is from a two track master that for a long period was never was stored at any professional standard. Considering that, I think the quality of this package is pretty remarkable. In general, very good separation of instruments with even better rating for "presence". In particular, Gregg's vocals are right "there" in all their glory. Overall, I thought recording quality was best for the third (and most substantive) show.

Saying all this, there are some limitations. The guitar solo for Hoochie Coochie Man is pretty buried in the mix. I'm sure this was a problem right at the source. The Midnight Rider audio quality (not the performance) from the first night is poorer than the remainder of the package. Not sure what may have happened. There was a previous mention that the organ was too low in the mix for Stormy Monday, but this seemed pretty minor. The Mountain Jam, as noted in the release, is from another time and lacks the audio crispness that is evident throughout the other performances. It's still listenable and I'm sure the intent was provide an alternate version of the band's major jamming vehicle that never got played during this particular run.

Thanks to all involved for putting this together. Not quite At Fillmore East levels, performance or sonic-wise, but a marker of a great band captured as it approached its zenith.


Jonesy - 9/9/2019 at 10:58 PM

You Don't Love Me--Wow

Mountain Jam- Wow (i know, not same date)


blackey - 9/9/2019 at 11:16 PM

When the band is called The Allman Brothers Band, the REAL deal is the original lineup. Gregg, Dickey and Jaimoe agreed too.

Duane Allman was a firebrand. He pushed his band to shine it on and hit the note at every moment. You could tell it was Duane's band. He did most of the talking and Berry Oakley did more than Gregg. Duane, be it an original or cover, wanted to Allmanize each song. He had a swagger, energy and vibe the other five fed on and it was devastation for the fans, the band and especially Gregg and Berry when Duane died. Butch Trucks said Berry Oakley was just lost. Berry just could deal with a world that didnt have Duane Allman in it.

They had some good lineups and original material after Duane and their commercial pinnacle came in 1973 with Brothers and Sisters and for about 2 and 1/2 years they were as big as the Rolling Stones or Pink Floyd or the Eagles. There was an energy that was like a big spark plug that was lost and never returned after Duane. It was almost like seeing the Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger or The Dead without Jerry Garcia. It just wasn't the same.

The Allman Brothers was Duane's band. He approved all the members and as many know, Gregg was the last one to join.

If Duane and Berry had lived Brothers and Sisters, Win, Loose or Draw and later albums would certainly have been different and possibly with some tracks different. But would they had lasted until 2014? Probably. And I think they would have been much bigger commercially. They would have had their Brothers and Sisters multi Platinum number 1 album and like the Stones or Pink Floyd, stayed on top. Dickey and Gregg would have been worth 500 million dollars like Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, David Gilmore and Eric Clapton.


adhill58 - 9/10/2019 at 01:21 PM

Got it yesterday although I had heard part of it online previously. I am thrilled that it exists and that it is now available to be heard in my car. I was able to listen to Disc 1 last night. Here are my thoughts on Disc 1:

The overall quality, for the most part, is pretty good considering the circumstances of the tapes and their condition. The sound mix is probably the best they could do at this point. It is too bad that Duane and Dickey don't seem to be separated onto left and right channels. The organ is kind of high in the mix which makes it kind of unique to be able to hear some things that are usually buried. However, at points, the organ drowns out the guitar at times when Gregg is just "playing the fills" and Duane and Dickey are soloing. I can see where the organ's prominence might be even distracting to some listeners. It seems like there are parts of the tape missing... perhaps it was physically damaged. The opening verse of You Don't Love Me seems to be missing as the first vocals in this version are the "Gonna tell my mother..." part. Also the line, "I've been such a fool" is missing from Whipping Post. It sounds like there are splices and they are not just cases of Gregg flubbing the lyrics. Midnight Rider seems to be strangely mixed differently (and less good) from the rest of the tracks, and I had to adjust the volume down in order to make it comfortable to hear.

Looking forward to hearing the rest of it... would love to hear what other people think of it.


adhill58 - 9/10/2019 at 04:34 PM

Disc 2 sounds better on CD than it did when I streamed it online. Also better overall than Disc 1.

The first three songs have the guitars buried in the mix to the point where it’s pretty hard to hear them sometimes. By the Liz Reed they are much more prominent. The Stormy Monday is probably the best mixed track up to that point in the whole thing. The “YDLM” and “WP” sound really good other than some crackling noise toward the end of “YDLM”. Gregg’s vocals are very prominent above everything else on the whole disc. You can also finally hear Berry better on the second half of this disc than most of the album so far.


WarEagleRK - 9/10/2019 at 10:29 PM

Love the music, hope they keep doing stuff like this.


The packaging is subpar for a $40 set compared to most other box sets.


porkchopbob - 9/10/2019 at 11:21 PM

I'm mostly digging it. The tape deficiencies are there, causing some unique mixes (the B3 or congas are more present at times), the performances are pretty stellar. I'm always excited for more Duane Allman-era "Dreams" performances. Allman Brothers fans all hold "Dreams" in high esteem (it's my favorite song), but I've always wondered where it would exist in popular consciousness had it been included on At Fillmore East. I've heard the "Mountain Jam" from the Warehouse, but it's nice to hear it a little more cleaned up and separated - though it still has plenty of rough edges. The tape deficiencies make some of these performances tough to listen to, often just when the band raises the intensity it becomes too much for the 2-track to handle.

I can't say how often I'll spin this collection (I never listen to the first few tracks from Stonybrook Archive). But these are the releases we've been asking for, and hopefully more will come.

I haven't seen the physical packaging. While I appreciate quality design (the cover is pretty lazy) it never makes any difference towards my enjoyment of the music.

These are solid shows and it's great to see them get released, but there are several other collections from 1970-71 that I would probably spin before Fillmore West 71.


Agerst1574 - 9/11/2019 at 01:22 AM

I am stunned at how much I like this and I think it has to do with how the keyboards are mixed. Very prominent and the band absolutely shines. Told a friend he other night that this is easily the best thing I have heard all month.


Bill_Graham - 9/11/2019 at 01:41 AM

I agree the packaging is minimal considering this is an anniversary release but I am very happy with the content.

Being an avid bootleg collector used to less than stellar sounding tapes, and considering this release is from 2 track SB tapes stored in less than ideal conditions, the SQ quality is actually very good.

Not being privy to the condition of the original tapes, I am not sure I could expect anything better SQ wise than what was released. Hopefully this release will sell well enough to give the band management and the Brothers estates incentive to release future archive shows.





[Edited on 9/11/2019 by Bill_Graham]


blackey - 9/11/2019 at 03:07 AM

They came to play...that's for sure. When just listening to Elizabeth Reed, the organ solo is buried in the mix so I focused on Berry Oakley and how the drums and rhythm guitars are just cookin'. It was such a joy.

We old 70 plus year old fans got robbed. We were there for the BEST and hottest lineup of ANY of the ABB lineups and it was all over in October 1971.

And many of their best original songs came from this line up. Whipping Post, Dreams, Black Hearted Woman, Ain't My Cross To Bare, Revival, Dont Keep Me Wondering, Midnight Rider, Elizabeth Reed, Standback, Blue Sky.

All later lineups were standing on the foundation laid by the original 6 and NONE equaled it. Yes later lineups were real good and I enjoyed them but it wasn't like this. Why? Well it has to be that Duane Allman wasn't there. Duane's energy is feeding the other 5 and they had to have known by January of 1971 they were going to be a big success. Gregg said his brother got one decent check after the money began rolling in. That by the summer of 1971 you could see it coming. That at least his brother could see it coming and unlike Gregg and even Dickey who doubted they would make it after the first album didnt sell much, Duane was convinced and somehow KNEW his band was going to be a success for the beginning.


Bill_Graham - 9/11/2019 at 03:24 AM

quote:
They came to play...that's for sure. When just listening to Elizabeth Reed, the organ solo is buried in the mix so I focused on Berry Oakley and how the drums and rhythm guitars are just cookin'. It was such a joy.

We old 70 plus year old fans got robbed. We were there for the BEST and hottest lineup of ANY of the ABB lineups and it was all over in October 1971.

And many of their best original songs came from this line up. Whipping Post, Dreams, Black Hearted Woman, Ain't My Cross To Bare, Revival, Dont Keep Me Wondering, Midnight Rider, Elizabeth Reed, Standback, Blue Sky.

All later lineups were standing on the foundation laid by the original 6 and NONE equaled it. Yes later lineups were real good and I enjoyed them but it wasn't like this. Why? Well it has to be that Duane Allman wasn't there. Duane's energy is feeding the other 5 and they had to have known by January of 1971 they were going to be a big success. Gregg said his brother got one decent check after the money began rolling in. That by the summer of 1971 you could see it coming. That at least his brother could see it coming and unlike Gregg and even Dickey who doubted they would make it after the first album didnt sell much, Duane was convinced and somehow KNEW his band was going to be a success for the beginning.


Agree with you on all counts except you getting robbed. Anyone who was old enough to have seen the Duane era band was blessed.

Us younger fans, who were too young to see the Duane era band, got robbed by never having seen them live. My first concert was Humble Pie in 1973 so I missed the Duane era. That is why I cherish these, or any, Duane era releases and I am willing to overlook the warts.


southerncdman - 9/11/2019 at 08:44 AM

I guess I'm a rarity. I'm diggin' the new Fillmore West archive release simply because it's more stuff out there by the original six. Regardless of technical flaws, I buy anything and everything that comes out because I love this band and I don't think they could ever be equaled. Releases like this keep the band relevant and to me, that's what is important. I hope there is much more to come.


dzobo - 9/11/2019 at 07:51 PM

Just listened to the second show with headphones. The energy level and tightness of the band is just amazing. Gregg's vocals may be the best I've ever heard of not only his career but by any blues performer. And the show has that great audio presence. Wow!


adhill58 - 9/11/2019 at 08:29 PM

Finally got to hear Discs 3 and 4. This show also sounds better on CD than it did via internet streaming. The guitars are "hotter" sounding for this show than either of the other two mixes. Berry's bass seems to come and go in and out of the mix on this one. The keys are pretty low also for most of this one. Outside of some tape problems during You Don't Love Me, this is probably the most consistent of the three shows.

The Mountain Jam has multiple issues, but it is still worth hearing. It goes on and on with even some Bo Diddley stuff at the end.

Overall, this thing is definitely worth grabbing if you haven't yet. It sounds good on CD, even with its technical limitations.

As far as the band's actual performance... it's the O.G. ABB, so it obviously kicks ass. There are some unique sounding jams here and there are done just a little differently than what is on other live sets available. I really hope they have more of this type of stuff to get out to us in the future.


steved - 9/11/2019 at 11:46 PM

To me Hot Lanta and Whippin Post on disc 4 sound much faster than Ive heard before.
Anyone else think so? So far I am enjoying the shows.


Fretsman - 9/12/2019 at 12:10 AM

I'm loving it. I'm on second spin of disc 2, The You Don't Love me with the vocals and slightly different guitar interplay is beautiful. The minor differences of Stormy Monday, the grit and bite have me grinning & driving, Under the influence all legal!


Skydog32103 - 9/12/2019 at 04:49 AM

quote:
When the band is called The Allman Brothers Band, the REAL deal is the original lineup. Gregg, Dickey and Jaimoe agreed too.


What you mean to say is that the original lineup is the best version of The Allman Brothers Band, and i’d have to agree.

quote:
If Duane and Berry had lived Brothers and Sisters, Win, Loose or Draw and later albums would certainly have been different and possibly with some tracks different. But would they had lasted until 2014? Probably. And I think they would have been much bigger commercially. They would have had their Brothers and Sisters multi Platinum number 1 album and like the Stones or Pink Floyd, stayed on top. Dickey and Gregg would have been worth 500 million dollars like Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, David Gilmore and Eric Clapton.


Can I have some of whatever you are smoking? They’d be big, but nowhere close to the Stones or.Clapton’s commercial success. I love them as much as anyone, but that style of music could never be mainstream enough to the point where they’d be worth $500 million. Those guys you mention wrote hits that topped all the charts, all the time. Gregg and Duane didn’t write for the charts, which I’m happy about.


sully - 9/12/2019 at 02:42 PM

dreams and you don't love me are worth it alone. great stuff.


JimSheridan - 9/12/2019 at 03:27 PM

I've listened to CD 1 twice and agree that the band is smoking. This is why when the first guitar solo is too low to hear in "Whipping Post," we can still fully enjoy the keyboards and that cooking rhythm section.

Dickey plays a MONSTER solo in Whipping Post, and you can hear the seeds of Les Brers in A Minor a little. I think the last few minutes of the song, the jam over the tympanis, show a great example of the fearlessness of this band. In 2015 or so, Butch lamented that the last incarnation of the band did not take enough chances like the original band did.

It is very interesting how the different levels in the mix get me to hear or consider things I had never considered. Gregg's keyboards are at the heart of this. What he plays in "Dreams" during the twin-guitar descending lick that punctuates the song really surprised me, as did some of the things he plays in "Whipping Post." Very cool to hear that.


JimSheridan - 9/13/2019 at 01:41 AM

I'll discuss this new way of hearing Gregg's keyboards a little more.

Never have I heard them so loud in the mix. Ever! And they sound mighty.

For me, Gregg's keyboards have always been a quiet added texture, with few exceptions. The guitars carry the songs; the keyboards often added a quiet flavor on top. Certainly in concert over the past 2 decades, Gregg was very low in the mix.

What may have added a bit to my perception is that my band has played a half dozen Allmans songs pretty successfully without having a keyboard player.

However, hearing the high volume keyboard in these songs as an essential part of the riff or rhythm of the song really changes my aesthetic conception of the Allmans. Suddenly, the B3 is making a sound that is massive and gothic and 3-D. It makes me think more of them in relation to the sound of some of the other bands that were playing live (including at the Fillmore) in that era: Spencer Davis, Vanilla Fudge, Procol Harum, even Deep Purple. Jeez


The_Newt - 9/13/2019 at 04:19 PM

I really like it!

On facebook in Allmans groups people were complaining about the sound quality; but given how old the shows are, how the reels for these shows were apparently found in Twigg's and Joe Dan Petty's closets, it sounds great.


porkchopbob - 9/13/2019 at 04:27 PM

quote:
I'll discuss this new way of hearing Gregg's keyboards a little more.

Never have I heard them so loud in the mix. Ever! And they sound mighty.

For me, Gregg's keyboards have always been a quiet added texture, with few exceptions. The guitars carry the songs; the keyboards often added a quiet flavor on top. Certainly in concert over the past 2 decades, Gregg was very low in the mix.

What may have added a bit to my perception is that my band has played a half dozen Allmans songs pretty successfully without having a keyboard player.

However, hearing the high volume keyboard in these songs as an essential part of the riff or rhythm of the song really changes my aesthetic conception of the Allmans. Suddenly, the B3 is making a sound that is massive and gothic and 3-D. It makes me think more of them in relation to the sound of some of the other bands that were playing live (including at the Fillmore) in that era: Spencer Davis, Vanilla Fudge, Procol Harum, even Deep Purple. Jeez

I'm with you, I love hearing the hammond. I always loved the A&R show because Gregg's keys were higher in the mix, but the Fillmore West has him very prominent.


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