Thread: so when is the Fillmore West Archive to be released.

salcapitano - 5/23/2019 at 02:37 AM

So when the heck is this coming out?

[Edited on 6/20/2019 by salcapitano]


salcapitano - 5/23/2019 at 02:39 AM

I can't even spell released.


owencarol - 5/25/2019 at 06:13 PM

Take it easy. It's just a little typo. The letters are adjacent to one another. Hope you and yours have a great weekend.


downsouth - 5/26/2019 at 12:09 PM

I have really been digging the Bear Family release from the Feb 1970 Fillmore East shows. What a freaking peak into the past, esp when you know what's to come!!! (and so sad that it would be over WAY too soon...) RIP Brothers Allmam who have gone before us, and good vibes to the Jaimoe & Dickey, Chuck, Oteil, Marc, Warren, & Derek.


ABB654 - 5/26/2019 at 04:15 PM

Doesn’t seem to have a release date mentioned in the article https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/allman-brothers-1971-fillmore-west-premie re/


JMidnightrider - 5/26/2019 at 11:47 PM

never as soon as we would like...lol


Stephen - 5/27/2019 at 07:50 PM

It & the Atlanta Pop film will be issued as a dual/tandem release
....in the next world, haha


bird72 - 5/27/2019 at 11:36 PM

The timing of these releases anytime hereafter could only be bested by a rare 1925 live release of Ace Brigode & his 14 Virginians - Yes, Sir, That's My Baby.


PeachNutt - 5/28/2019 at 12:31 AM

As their best $$$$ demographic continues to die off.... such idiocy all around


JimSheridan - 5/28/2019 at 03:22 AM

Peachnutt wrote, "As their best $$$$ demographic continues to die off.... such idiocy all around."

Yes, yes, 1000 times yes. I'm at the age where I still pay for music; I still buy physical copies of CDs and DVDs. However, I'm a dying breed. And I'm not alone.

These gorgeous packages come out by the Grateful Dead or Miles Davis or Led Zepp, and they sell like hotcakes. They will not sell like that 20 years from now, I reckon.

Now, in some ways, the ABB Co. has done its part. We have been blessed with a lot of good archival stuff (the official bootlegs, the big Fillmore box, Play All Night, the de-luxe versions of EAP and B & S, plus the Instant Lives) - other fan bases have had it worse, all things considered.

Still, Time Waits for No One. If there is the chance to make some old fans happy and make the band and record company some cash at the same time, it seems odd it ain't happening quicker.
Still -


nypeachhead - 5/28/2019 at 01:30 PM

Hoping this is released on vinyl as well. That platform is making a major comeback. Wouldn't be surprised if it was selling better the cds now a days.


PeachNutt - 5/28/2019 at 05:17 PM

I too am very grateful for all the audio that we do have. However, considering the feeling that Duane Allman and the original Allman Brothers Band was and is a true American Treasure, it is heartbreaking that there has been no official Duane era film released, even though it is common knowledge that a good deals exists. A crying shame.


ABBDutchFan - 5/29/2019 at 04:58 PM

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I too am very grateful for all the audio that we do have. However, considering the feeling that Duane Allman and the original Allman Brothers Band was and is a true American Treasure, it is heartbreaking that there has been no official Duane era film released, even though it is common knowledge that a good deals exists. A crying shame.


A damn shame indeed!


WaitinForRain - 5/29/2019 at 05:48 PM

I've been hoping Gregg's widow would push some of these projects along.

Wonder if Al Paul has any Intel?


BIGV - 5/29/2019 at 07:32 PM

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I too am very grateful for all the audio that we do have.


As am I and as a tape trader going back to the late 70s with the Brothers, I've had the Fillmore West show in my collection for 4 decades.

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However, considering the feeling that Duane Allman and the original Allman Brothers Band was and is a true American Treasure, it is heartbreaking that there has been no official Duane era film released, even though it is common knowledge that a good deals exists. A crying shame.


My window of interest has been closed for quite some time now and probably peaked in '89 with the release of the "Dreams" box set. While I respect and love the band, I've lost my desire to hear yet another version of "Statesboro Blues" or "Whippin' Post". What is unfortunate is the lack of diversity in set-lists the band played while Duane was with us. Being a guitar player I would be excited about a video release with Duane where the camera gave us some insight on his right hand technique, particularly while he was playing slide. If you've watched all of the video out there, there are very, very few moments where the camera is focused on his right hand....


Jonesy - 5/29/2019 at 08:26 PM

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My window of interest has been closed for quite some time now and probably peaked in '89 with the release of the "Dreams" box set. While I respect and love the band, I've lost my desire to hear yet another version of "Statesboro Blues" or "Whippin' Post". What is unfortunate is the lack of diversity in set-lists the band played while Duane was with us. Being a guitar player I would be excited about a video release with Duane where the camera gave us some insight on his right hand technique, particularly while he was playing slide. If you've watched all of the video out there, there are very, very few moments where the camera is focused on his right hand....


Interesting take. I do think the lack of releases has created more of an interesting demand than the actual final product. They weren't together long and the setlists are all the same, for the most part. I just like hearing Duane Allman anytime i can, and i suspect many on this site feel the same way, we just can't get enough of Duane cause their ain't enough, at least to date.

I'd like to see more from the Chuck/Lamar period, i found that period to be there most interesting musically.


salcapitano - 6/9/2019 at 05:33 PM

It appears that the release date has dropped off the face of the earth. Strange


Billastro - 6/12/2019 at 07:10 PM

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{snip}What is unfortunate is the lack of diversity in set-lists the band played while Duane was with us. Being a guitar player I would be excited about a video release with Duane where the camera gave us some insight on his right hand technique, particularly while he was playing slide. If you've watched all of the video out there, there are very, very few moments where the camera is focused on his right hand....
I agree about the lack of diversity. But it's not surprising, considering their relentless touring schedule (something like 300 shows per year for 2 1/2 years, IIRC). The notorious Rolling Stone article from October, 1971 quotes Duane urging Dickey to help him work on some new songs. We have a few glimpses of what might have happened: "Blue Sky" and "Stand Back" (which can still melt headphones), "My Favorite Things" from the Gatlinburg recordings (considering how Duane loved Davis and Coltrane, the fantasies run wild), and a comment I saw somewhere decades ago where Gregg or Dickey said they'd talked about an all-acoustic set that never happened.

Sigh.

Billastro


tbomike - 6/20/2019 at 04:43 PM

Some news.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/allman-brothers-fillmore-west -1971-live-album-trouble-no-more-850120/


steved - 6/20/2019 at 05:38 PM

This is great news!!!!


Randall - 6/20/2019 at 07:26 PM

Thanks for the update!


MikeZlotnicki - 6/20/2019 at 08:22 PM

I loves me some previously unreleased Duane.


JimSheridan - 6/20/2019 at 08:46 PM

Also on jambase:

https://www.jambase.com/article/allman-brothers-band-fillmore-west-1971-tro uble-no-more


playallnite - 6/21/2019 at 12:40 AM

I kinda wish Bear was involved, but my Capt. Skipper version is mighty fine.


BIGV - 6/21/2019 at 03:38 AM

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My window of interest has been closed for quite some time now and probably peaked in '89 with the release of the "Dreams" box set. While I respect and love the band, I've lost my desire to hear yet another version of "Statesboro Blues" or "Whippin' Post". What is unfortunate is the lack of diversity in set-lists the band played while Duane was with us. Being a guitar player I would be excited about a video release with Duane where the camera gave us some insight on his right hand technique, particularly while he was playing slide. If you've watched all of the video out there, there are very, very few moments where the camera is focused on his right hand....


Interesting take. I do think the lack of releases has created more of an interesting demand than the actual final product. They weren't together long and the setlists are all the same, for the most part. I just like hearing Duane Allman anytime i can, and i suspect many on this site feel the same way, we just can't get enough of Duane cause their ain't enough, at least to date.

I'd like to see more from the Chuck/Lamar period, i found that period to be there most interesting musically.


Here's another take, I wonder who they think is going to shell out the $$ for this?....Most ABB fans have had this for decades and any other "Fan" is going to look at the set-list and say this is the same as LAFE......Wanna stir up some real interest and generate some real cash?...Give us a Duane era video!


PeachNutt - 6/21/2019 at 04:03 AM

I'll pay for it. I don't know how many have had the complete shows - you may be in for a few surprises. I'd like to see the complete set lists for each night.


harvey - 6/21/2019 at 08:06 AM

It will be very interesting to see exactly what is on this release … the document states that the recordings are from shows played at Fillmore West on 29th, 30th & 31st Jan 1971 … yet the database here has a four show run from 28th to 31st.

Furthermore, Capt Skipper did work on these recordings for a proposed archival release a few years ago that got shelved and based upon his information there is no recording of the 29th show - which was also reputedly played at Winterland not Fillmore West.

The info gleaned from conversations with Skip and other venerable members of this site is as follows:

01/28/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 track only – Whipping Post)

Regarding the venue for this show, according to Kim Payne (ABB Roadie) the show on the 29th was actually played at Winterland, and not the Fillmore West. In further discussions about this, Joseph Campbell (ABB Roadie – “Red Dog”) also recalled having to move Greggs Hammond B3 Organ across the city for one show at Winterland after a show at the Fillmore West. So it would seem that although the ABB had originally been booked to play the 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st at the Fillmore West, after playing there on the 28th for some reason (possibly technical or booking issues) they had to move over to Winterland for the show on the 29th, and then go back to the Fillmore for the shows on the 30th & 31st.

There are two bogus versions in circulation purporting to be this show. One is just a copy of 1/28 with a bit of manipulation of the crowd noise and stage banter between the tracks to give the impression that the recording is from a different show. The other is a bit more devious in that it has stage banter from other shows inserted between the tracks. This was proven by sonic analysis (thanks to Steve Cogley aka “oldcoot”) which also showed that some of the tracks had been fabricated by splicing together sections from different recordings.

It is therefore thought that no genuine recording exists of the full show at Winterland on 1/29, however there is a recording from a radio show that is in circulation, where the DJ announces “And now, live from Winterland, here’s Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers”. This one track is considered to be the only authentic recording from the show on 01/29/71, and may well be what has been used on the second of the bogus shows referred to above.

01/30/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{Remastered Soundboard Recording}

This show falls into a grey area with regards to tradability, as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles.

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / Tuning / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Stormy Monday / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/31/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (2 discs)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

The freely traded version of this show is an audience recording that has the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams … Disc 2 - You Don’t Love Me / Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post

There is a second version of this show however, which falls into a grey area with regards to tradability as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles with the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me … Disc 2 - Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post / One Way Out # / Mountain Jam #

# FillerTracks: “One Way Out” is from the 06/16/71 show at the Municipal Auditorium in Birmingham and “Mountain Jam” is from the 03/13/70 show at the Warehouse in New Orleans.








[Edited on 6/21/2019 by harvey]


Bill_Graham - 6/21/2019 at 02:03 PM

You make a good point Harvey in that I am not sure they know what dates the tapes they have are from.

I was lucky enough to listen to the original Sirius broadcast and have posted my impressions in several threads but here they are again. I have a number of boots from the Fillmore West shows and while they are good the broadcast version SQ was better so I am really looking forward to this set.

Here are my thoughts on the broadcast

I was able to listen to the original Sirius broadcast and there is supposed to be a 4CD release sometime this year. Here were my impressions of the broadcast

The show was DJ'd by Warren Haynes wife, Stefani Scamardo, with him giving color commentary. It was mentioned that this will be a 4CD box set from 2 track SB tapes to be released later this year. She also said that the band played 4 nights, starting the 27th, as the middle act with Hot Tuna as the headliners, which jives for the band lineup, but not the dates, on the concert poster someone posted earlier. It was mentioned that the first night's tape from the 27th has not been found so I am assuming the box set will hopefully be from the last 3 nights.

Here was the first discrepancy I noticed as she claims the shows started the 27th to the 30th but the concert poster states 28-31st. Also, I read on the ABB forum that the show from the 29th was actually played at Winterland and not the Fillmore West so I am curious what the reality is.

The second thing I noticed is the broadcast is claimed to be from the third show, which according to Scamardo's timeline would be the 29th, yet right before "Don't Keep Me Wondering" Duane says they enjoyed the first three nights and they would enjoy this one or something to that effect. So I am wondering if this tape is from the following night?

In any case, the total broadcast time was around 45 minutes and a setlist of 7 songs which is about right when the Allmans played support. I got to listen to almost the complete broadcast except for about 15 minutes right before You Don't Love Me" where I had to get out of the car to take care of business.

The first impression is this is a fantastic recording which is clear and well balanced for the most part. I did notice that for the first 2 tracks the drums were a bit recessed in the background and the same on the last track "Whipping Post". On the other tracks, all the instruments are well balanced but, as you would expect with a 2 track SB recording, the separation is not very wide so as long as you're not expecting the multitrack separation of the 2014 Fillmore Recordings I think you won't be disappointed in the sound quality.

The performance is hot and the highlight for me was one of my favorite live Brothers tracks "You Don't Love Me". You can hear elements of the later version that is on the original Fillmore East album but with interesting twists. The playing is much looser and more improvised IMO and the famous Betts solo is very similar to the Fillmore East version but slower with Duane and Berry noodling in the background behind him as opposed to the intense Fillmore East solo with Butch and Jaimoe driving Betts on with their powerhouse drumming.

All in all a very exciting treat awaits us when this box set finally is released.


Image of concert poster where the dates do not align with the comments on what shows will be in the boxset during the broadcast.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/allman-brothers-duane-allman-framed-poster-handbil l-tickets-1971/173849662700?hash=item287a3f54ec:g:c3kAAOSwgX9cmBgY



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plqmule - 6/21/2019 at 03:04 PM

Pre sale:
https://www.thebighousemuseum.com/news/fillmore-west-1971-cd-release/


Bill_Graham - 6/21/2019 at 03:18 PM

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Pre sale:
https://www.thebighousemuseum.com/news/fillmore-west-1971-cd-release/


Thanks for the notice! I did not see anywhere to preorder the set? Am I missing something?


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oldcoot - 6/21/2019 at 04:03 PM

quote:
It will be very interesting to see exactly what is on this release … the document states that the recordings are from shows played at Fillmore West on 29th, 30th & 31st Jan 1971 … yet the database here has a four show run from 28th to 31st.

Furthermore, Capt Skipper did work on these recordings for a proposed archival release a few years ago that got shelved and based upon his information there is no recording of the 29th show - which was also reputedly played at Winterland not Fillmore West.

The info gleaned from conversations with Skip and other venerable members of this site is as follows:

01/28/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/29/71 @ Winterland, San Francisco (1 track only – Whipping Post)

Regarding the venue for this show, according to Kim Payne (ABB Roadie) the show on the 29th was actually played at Winterland, and not the Fillmore West. In further discussions about this, Joseph Campbell (ABB Roadie – “Red Dog”) also recalled having to move Greggs Hammond B3 Organ across the city for one show at Winterland after a show at the Fillmore West. So it would seem that although the ABB had originally been booked to play the 28th, 29th, 30th & 31st at the Fillmore West, after playing there on the 28th for some reason (possibly technical or booking issues) they had to move over to Winterland for the show on the 29th, and then go back to the Fillmore for the shows on the 30th & 31st.

There are two bogus versions in circulation purporting to be this show. One is just a copy of 1/28 with a bit of manipulation of the crowd noise and stage banter between the tracks to give the impression that the recording is from a different show. The other is a bit more devious in that it has stage banter from other shows inserted between the tracks. This was proven by sonic analysis (thanks to Steve Cogley aka “oldcoot”) which also showed that some of the tracks had been fabricated by splicing together sections from different recordings.

It is therefore thought that no genuine recording exists of the full show at Winterland on 1/29, however there is a recording from a radio show that is in circulation, where the DJ announces “And now, live from Winterland, here’s Whipping Post from the Allman Brothers”. This one track is considered to be the only authentic recording from the show on 01/29/71, and may well be what has been used on the second of the bogus shows referred to above.

01/30/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (1 disc)
{Remastered Soundboard Recording}

This show falls into a grey area with regards to tradability, as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles.

Track List: Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / Tuning / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Stormy Monday / You Don’t Love Me / Whipping Post

01/31/71 @ Fillmore West, San Francisco (2 discs)
{CaptSkipper Remaster available}

The freely traded version of this show is an audience recording that has the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams … Disc 2 - You Don’t Love Me / Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post

There is a second version of this show however, which falls into a grey area with regards to tradability as it is a remastered soundboard recording that was prepared as part of the ABB Archive Release programme. The show was never issued, however copies of the show are known to exist in private trading circles with the following track list: Disc 1 - Statesboro Blues / Trouble No More / Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ / In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed / Midnight Rider / Hoochie Coochie Man / Dreams / You Don’t Love Me … Disc 2 - Hot ’Lanta / Whipping Post / One Way Out # / Mountain Jam #

# FillerTracks: “One Way Out” is from the 06/16/71 show at the Municipal Auditorium in Birmingham and “Mountain Jam” is from the 03/13/70 show at the Warehouse in New Orleans.








[Edited on 6/21/2019 by harvey]


Hi Colin!

I strongly suspect that was it is are the 1/28, 1/30 & 1/31 Fillmore shows. Those three shows but not on consecutive nights due to the one off at Winterland on the 29th.


Randall - 6/21/2019 at 04:34 PM

I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.


But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.

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mikesolo - 6/21/2019 at 04:49 PM

Just ordered via Big House website


scotiadave - 6/21/2019 at 06:41 PM

Yay - Dig that shirt

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steved - 6/21/2019 at 07:19 PM

Ordered mine today. More Duane and the greatest band in the land.


DOVETAIL - 6/21/2019 at 09:07 PM

below is info I saw...
Disc 1, 1/29/1971
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Dreams
You Don't Love Me
Whipping Post
 
Disc 2, 1/30/1971
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Stormy Monday
You Don't Love Me
Whipping Post
 
Disc 3, 1/31/1971 Part I
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Hoochie Coochie Man
Dreams
You Don't Love Me
 
Disc 4, 1/31/1971 Part II
Hot 'Lanta
Whipping Post
 
Bonus Track:
Mountain Jam Live At The Warehouse, New Orleans, LA 3/13/1970 (first release of this version)


DOVETAIL - 6/22/2019 at 06:02 PM

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I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.

But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.



What a complete effing shambles … I think that both the T shirts and the Discs are labelled wrongly and that the shows are 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 …



Sooo...exactly WHO is going to provide the DEFINITIVE answer(s) to the questions around these shows and the recordings thereof: ABB roadies?...curators/producers of this set, i.e., Bill Levenson; Kirk West or other historians of the band...ALL OF THE ABOVE???...Or is this NOT meant to be a comprehensive package a la The Complete Fillmore East Recordings?---will that package come at the 75th anniversary of the band??...Inquiring minds, fans, purchasers and otherwise, would like to know...After all, this is not the proverbial rocket science: legitimate research should be able to determine what's what, down to the finest detail, and if some contradictions of info remain after such research, LET US ALL KNOW!?!?!?....don't just trot it out there like it's the Holy Grail (you know who you are in that respect!!?!!)


salcapitano - 6/22/2019 at 09:18 PM

I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.


Bill_Graham - 6/22/2019 at 10:47 PM

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I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.


I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.

If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.

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bird72 - 6/23/2019 at 12:01 AM

https://soundcloud.com/rollingstone/allman-brothers-trouble-no-more

A taste


harvey - 6/23/2019 at 08:59 AM

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I notice that the picture of the discs has them labeled 1/28/71, 1/29/71, and 1/31/71.

But the picture of the t-shirts lists the dates of 1/29/71, 1/30/71, and 1/31/71.



Previous research suggests that both the T shirts and the Discs are labelled wrongly and that the recorded shows are 1/28, 1/30 and 1/31 … but it would be nice to know what info is available from the keepers of these master tapes … I was really hoping that this release would confirm the recording dates for us one way or another … but like all of us I am glad that the shows are finally being made available.


Lee - 6/23/2019 at 12:00 PM

Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?


harvey - 6/23/2019 at 02:45 PM

quote:
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.


Bill_Graham - 6/23/2019 at 03:41 PM

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quote:
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



I am not sure they really know what dates they have as during the original Sirius broadcast Scamardo said it was from the 29th but Duane said they enjoyed the first 3 night so someone is confused.

I have confidence one of the hardcore collectors here will sort it out once we get these CD's and they can compare them to what they have in their collections.


DOVETAIL - 6/23/2019 at 06:43 PM

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quote:
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Is it too much to ask for definitive information in the liner notes accompanying this set???...NO!!!!!....This seemingly half-assed mess reminds me...AGAIN!!!....the ABB organization needs to hire its own David Lemieux....Holman!?!?!?....Lehman!?!?!?----SPEND THE MONEY!?!?!?!


DarylM - 6/23/2019 at 07:31 PM

Have to say I'm somewhat surprised by that cover art....just Duane. That seems to
go against everything that the original band represented. Just sayin'. Having said that,
I am slobbering in anticipation of it's release.


gv0000 - 6/23/2019 at 10:36 PM

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quote:
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?

In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?

As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]


DOVETAIL - 6/24/2019 at 03:20 AM

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quote:
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.


Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?

In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?

As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]


If only for the sake of those purchasers who are serious fans, perhaps the producers of the set--or individuals with equal or even greater credibility--can state unequivocally exactly what is in this set BEFORE it comes out!? Or are there too many involved too eager to just get it out rather than get it out right?


bird72 - 6/24/2019 at 03:36 PM

Since none of this has been officially soundboard source released, I'll buy it as a great addition. While date correctness would be really nice, I can't see how it will impact me one way or another. This stuff is from another era. Stuff scribbled on tape boxes. Tapes being passed around and held by different people over time. Maybe tapes got put in wrong boxes. Factor in a couple to few reels per show. Not sure why tape trading dates should be trusted over any other. I would take all with a grain of salt.

I didn't glean that anything analog pure was being released. Still happy with any sonic release.


blackey - 6/24/2019 at 05:12 PM

Only Duane on the cover of the set. That is interesting. When the band had just formed and eventually drifted up to Macon, Phil Walden wasn't expecting 6 men and his contract was with Duane. Phil introduced Duane to Jaimoe telling him to see if he fits what you are doing and Phil knew Duane had his eye on the bass player in a Florida band and that was it other than knowing they were going to do some recording for a possible first album.

They were close to calling the band Beelzebub but Phil wanted Duane's name involved. They then decided on the Allman Brothers Bsnd and when the first album came out inside is a picture of just Gregg and Duane together. Heard from several sources in very early 1970 that Duane got irritated and bitched at Phil. Duane said he decided a 3 piece Cream or Hendrix style band wasn't what was happening for him and they are promoting themselves as 6 equals and please in the future have all 6 of us in every picture.

But that was 49 years ago. Just having Duane on the cover is a statement. That this is the real Allman Brothers Band. After October 1971 I always felt seeing the Allman Brothers without Duane Allman is like seeing the Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger or Led Zeppelin without Jimmy Page. You are not getting the full effect. The pure stuff. I feel that way about LS without Ronnie. I continued to see every later lineup though. Much of the time it was still real good but you still knew you were seeing a band minus it's soul and inspiration. I'm buying this set because it's the original lineup...the pure real deal Allman Brothers.


cmgst34 - 6/24/2019 at 06:19 PM

No vinyl. That's a real bummer. All my new "hard copy" purchases are vinyl these days. I do not even have a working CD player anymore.


Bill_Graham - 6/24/2019 at 08:54 PM

Why Duane only on the artwork? I think it is because Duane is recognizable and will tell buyers the music includes him. I am speculating it is for marketing purposes.

It would be like a Queen box set with just Mercury's pic on the cover. It help sell product.


DOVETAIL - 6/24/2019 at 11:34 PM

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I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.


I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.

If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.

[Edited on 6/22/2019 by Bill_Graham]


I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document. Am I virtually alone in that regard?

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by DOVETAIL]


DOVETAIL - 6/24/2019 at 11:36 PM

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quote:
quote:
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Doesn't the recording played on Sirius/XM call into question the dating of the circulating 1/31 audience tape? My copies of 1/31 don't appear to be cut following "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" and you hear "Turn up the organ a bit and the mic" then "This is a song off our new record." Unless the recording that Sirius/XM played was a compilation professionally constructed with songs & comments from different nights to appear to be all from the same night, doesn't it suggest that what is circulating as 1/31 can't be 1/31, because it is missing the "...last three nights...."comment?

In addition, the stage banter at the end of the sample that is up on the Rolling Stone site of "Trouble No More" matches the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" stage banter, "A little more vocal & a little more organ please through the monitor please." This could match the complete stage banter between "Trouble No More" going into "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'" on the 1/28 audience but all of the copies I have has a cut after the 2nd "thank you" and before "this is off our 2nd album." So that could add to the premise that the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 is actually 1/28, but then where did the comment "... something will screw up on you every time. We pay our road managers $10 a week and everything they can steal...." after "Statesboro Blues" on the Wolfgang Vault's 1/29 come from?

As stated by several others, hopefully the box set liner notes or booklet will have the answers.

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]

[Edited on 6/23/2019 by gv0000]


As I stated before, hoping I am not in such a small minority, I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document. Might be a good project for John Lynskey, so he has some hard and fast facts to share if he is to author an essay for the liner notes!??

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Bill_Graham - 6/25/2019 at 11:01 AM

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I'm just glad that this is being released. We can debate dates and what not until the truth be known, but in the meantime let's all just enjoy some more Duane and the boys.


I am with you brother. I am just happy they finally decided to release these shows. It would be interesting to know the real dates and if they are complete setlists but it won't stop me from enjoying the music.

If the powers to be are listening how about a Warehouse box set next! Butch (RIP) said the band has the tapes.

[Edited on 6/22/2019 by Bill_Graham]


I can't quite fathom NOT wanting this set to be scrupulously researched and annotated?!?!....Such knowledge has come to increase my enjoyment of the music, in the moment and as a reliable historical document.


Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.

Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.

Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.



[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Lee - 6/25/2019 at 11:53 AM

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quote:
Okay, there seems to be a lot of confusion about this but can anyone answer me something. I should know the answer but anyway, I have everything they have released. Is anything on this previously unreleased?



None of these shows have previously been officially released as soundboard recordings Lee.

Audience recordings of 1/28 and 1/31 were available in trading circles, both of which had been remastered by Capt Skipper.

A few years ago Skip also did some remastering of the soundboard recordings of 1/31 and what he called 1/30 (but here the disc is labelled 1/29). Copies of these remasters have leeched out into private collections, but the soundboard of 1/28 has not previously been available to my knowledge.

Hopefully there will be some sort of booklet with the box set that gives us a little more info.



Thanks Colin.


Lee - 6/25/2019 at 11:59 AM

quote:


Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.

Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.

Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.



[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Totally agree with you. How many non die hards care about the dates? I'm only curious because of spending time on the site I guess. I was a baby when this happened. And do you think like Dickey or Jaimoe would remember? Doubt it.

I wonder if Kirk West might know?


Bill_Graham - 6/25/2019 at 03:26 PM

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quote:


Most fans are not like the members of this forum and could care less if the dates are correct.

Think about most live recordings that get released. The casual fan just wants good sounding music and are happy with live recordings with no location and date attribution and in many cases fixed in the studio.

Let me ask you a question. Are you not going to buy this release because of the dating controversy? If you say you will buy it anyway then why would they spend their time trying to scrupulously research the provenance of the content? For a handful of hardcore fans who care about such details and will buy the CDs anyway? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong I would like the dates to be correct but it will not stop me from enjoying the music.



[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Totally agree with you. How many non die hards care about the dates? I'm only curious because of spending time on the site I guess. I was a baby when this happened. And do you think like Dickey or Jaimoe would remember? Doubt it.

I wonder if Kirk West might know?


I understand it bothers some if the dates are not accurate as we love the band and that type of information adds to our enjoyment of our listening experience.

My only point is I can't see the band or management putting a lot of time and money to pay people to research this information when it adds no value to their product they are trying to sell. The hardcore fans may bitch about the inaccuracy but in the end, we are all buying this release anyway so where is the payback for the Band/ Management?

And as someone pointed out who is still around from the time of those recordings who even knows that information. The boxes for these shows were found in someone's closet so who knows if the dates on the boxes are accurate or if the tapes in the box are even from those dates?

For anyone who has the excellent Hittin The Note mag with the articles on the making of the Fillmore East box set you can read about the nightmare Bill Levenson had tracking down all the tapes from those concerts and the monumental task he had verifying content and dates played. And these are tapes held in Major Record label vaults so imagine trying to verify the provenance of tapes someone had stashed in their closet for 40 years. Add that to the fact that this is not a major label release so I can't see there being financial support to do the required research.

For those upset about the dates being wrong why not look at it as a challenge to research based on what know and comparing to any audience tapes to solve the mystery for the rest of the fans?

If I had copies of all the CaptSkipper remasters and any audience tapes I would give it a try myself as I love a mystery and it would be a fun weekend project while enjoying my favorite beverage.

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


bluedad - 6/25/2019 at 04:29 PM

I ordered mine. So glad to be having some unheard original 6 music....

And I too hate there is stuff in the can somewhere that likely won't be released. Just can't understand WHY ??


MikeZlotnicki - 6/25/2019 at 05:37 PM

$37.97 inc. free shipping at Bull Moose !!!!!!

https://www.bullmoose.com/p/30920429


hotlantatim - 6/25/2019 at 05:47 PM

I'm ordering it and excited.

(and hoping for a Best of 1998 and Best of 1979 as the next two releases.......plus 3/21/05 Beacon)


DOVETAIL - 6/25/2019 at 06:23 PM

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I'm ordering it and excited.

(and hoping for a Best of 1998 and Best of 1979 as the next two releases.......plus 3/21/05 Beacon)




Then there's the Warehouse show, plus existing video...Who says there's not enough work for an archivist?


Bill_Graham - 6/25/2019 at 06:38 PM

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I'm ordering it and excited.

(and hoping for a Best of 1998 and Best of 1979 as the next two releases.......plus 3/21/05 Beacon)




Then there's the Warehouse show, plus existing video...Who says there's not enough work for an archivist?


Butch Trucks (RIP) stated in an interview with Rolling Stone that they have the Warehouse shows and he was hoping they would release them someday. They played the Warehouse 9 times with Duane so that would be an epic box set if they really do have them and ever released them.

Rolling Stone: "Are there other vintage shows that you would like to see released?
Trucks: There are some nights we did at the Warehouse in New Orleans that I’d give anything to have out. And we have ’em. Also pretty much anything from the Fillmores [East and West]. But definitely the Warehouse — every time we played there, it was magic.


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/allman-brothers-butch-trucks- talks-epic-1971-radio-concert-230442/


[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Lee - 6/25/2019 at 08:12 PM

I must be missing something. This article is dated 2016. They already released those five albums, no?


Bill_Graham - 6/25/2019 at 08:55 PM

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I must be missing something. This article is dated 2016. They already released those five albums, no?


I think it is Fricke that is confused and not you Lee. Later in the article, he asks Butch why it took so long to release the A&R show and Trucks mentions they have been releasing the archive shows for several years but stopped for some reason.

Fricke: Several important live albums have been released from the Allmans’ archive in recent years. How did the A&R Studios broadcast escape scrutiny until now?

Trucks: We have so many recordings of unreleased shows that absolutely smoke. We were putting out two recordings a year for awhile, old stuff with Duane and Berry; one with just the five of us before [pianist] Chuck Leavell joined the band [Macon City Auditorium; Macon, Georgia; February 11th, 1972]; and with Chuck and [bassist] Lamar Williams [Nassau Coliseum; Long Island, New York; May 1st, 1973]. For some reason, we stopped putting them out.


There is an excellent article in an old Hittin the Note magazine about the American University release where someone from the Brothers camp mentions they have a number of Duane era tapes from the same period of time so maybe we will see more Duane era archive shows if the Fillmore West release sells enough to warrant the effort.

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]

[Edited on 6/25/2019 by Bill_Graham]


oldcoot - 6/25/2019 at 10:19 PM

This will probably only fire things up even more, but, several previously released archive shows were "put together" from one or more different dates. Skip confided that to me a number of years ago. So, what we've been told was a "single" performance under a given date, really isn't accurate either.

Ultimately though, I'm just glad the material came out so that it could be enjoyed.


PeachNutt - 6/26/2019 at 12:27 AM

Coot - I could be wrong but I think that was only one show -


gv0000 - 6/26/2019 at 12:35 AM

quote:
This will probably only fire things up even more, but, several previously released archive shows were "put together" from one or more different dates. Skip confided that to me a number of years ago. So, what we've been told was a "single" performance under a given date, really isn't accurate either.

Ultimately though, I'm just glad the material came out so that it could be enjoyed.


Coot,

Does not surprise me at all. All you have to do is look at Polydor's 1992 release "The Allman Brothers Band: The Fillmore Concerts" which is a 12 song compilation of songs from the March 12 & 13, 1971 and June 27, 1971, all from the Fillmore East. The packaging does indicate which show each track came from. "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" was actually a mix of the song played at March 13, 1971 (first show) and the March 13, 1971 (second show). "You Don't Love Me" was a mix of the song played at March 13, 1971 (first show) and the March 12, 1971 (second show).

I would like to add that I also have preordered the Fillmore West 1971 box set and can't wait to simply listen to the great music. In addition, at the same time one of my hobbies is archiving live music including the music from, and the date & venue of concerts from the 60's & 70's. So yes I am very interested in where and when the music came from, but the music itself is of primary importance. With that said my earlier post regarding the dates of each of the Fillmore West 1971 shows should probably have been better placed in "Historical Members of the Allman Brothers Band > Duane Allman > DUANE ERA ABB RECORDINGS ~ reference list first post on page 1 ~ UPDATED 12th JAN 2019".


Bill_Graham - 6/26/2019 at 12:45 AM

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Coot - I could be wrong but I think that was only one show -


The archive 1971 Stonybrook release is a compilation of cuts from the early and late shows I believe.

[Edited on 6/26/2019 by Bill_Graham]


oldcoot - 6/26/2019 at 12:45 AM

quote:
Coot - I could be wrong but I think that was only one show -


Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough, I wasn’t referring to the Fillmore West upcoming release but some previous archive releases.


PeachNutt - 6/26/2019 at 02:10 AM

Coot - Yes, I understand that. We're talking about a previous release of the original ABB. But I'm only aware of it being of one of the releases.


Bill_Graham - 6/26/2019 at 02:38 PM

There is a great article in the Summer 2002 Issue 35 of the Hittin the note magazine centered around the American University archive release. In the article Kirk West explains how the tapes were found in a former band associates closet. He also goes on to hint that they have a stash of tapes from the early to mid 70's that might be viable archive material.

Here are some excerpts from the article about the tapes. I am paraphrasing a little to just give the info on the tapes.

Kirk West: Larry Brantley, who is Dickey's old guitar tech from the 70's, mentioned to me he had some of Mike Callahan ( ABB soundman 1969-1973) old quarter inch reel to reel tapes. He eventually brought over a box with half a dozen reel to reel tapes with American University on 2 reels.

He goes on to describe how it took a year for a guy named Rob Navarides, who worked in the Warner Brothers film restoration dept in L.A., to work on the American University tapes to get them in usable shape for the archive release as he did this type of work as a hobby on the side.

West then explains Brantley found some more tapes in a closet.

Kirk West: The tapes start in 1970, we don't have any from 1969, but we have tapes from 70, 71 plus some killer stuff from 72, 73, and 75. We've got some wonderful material from the six or seven year period, real prime cuts. Now our friend Larry ( Brantley) has come up with some more great tapes. About a year ago he cleaned out another closet and found half a dozen tapes, and four of them are from 71 shows. Master tapes all of them, and we rounded up a bunch of mid 70's stuff. We have tapes (70/71) that are a couple of weeks apart.

He mentions in the article that while the band did not tape every show Mike Callahan made a lot of tapes but he had a burglary where tapes were stolen so someone must have them somewhere collecting dust or just lost.

Sounds like there may be more stuff in the archive so would love to know exactly what they have and if there are any plans to release more Duane era shows.

Also curious what Warehouse shows they have in the archive that Butch mentioned in his Rolling Stone mag interview as well as saying they had tons of archive shows.

[Edited on 6/26/2019 by Bill_Graham]

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hotlantatim - 6/26/2019 at 04:10 PM

I'd take a top shelf 1975 release (I know were not every '75 show was top shelf) out of that batch of tapes too.


KCJimmy - 6/26/2019 at 04:19 PM

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Coot - Yes, I understand that. We're talking about a previous release of the original ABB. But I'm only aware of it being of one of the releases.
I Thought the 5/1/73 Nassau Coliseum show was one that "Borrowed" from other shows as well.


oldcoot - 6/26/2019 at 04:36 PM

quote:
Coot - Yes, I understand that. We're talking about a previous release of the original ABB. But I'm only aware of it being of one of the releases.


On at least one other, a song was altered and pieced together. Nothing major, however, it's from two sources, two very different dates.

The Nassau Coliseum was put together from the two separate nights of performances. It's not just May 1, 1973.


abb420 - 6/26/2019 at 05:02 PM

The Mountain Jam & Outskirts of Town on the Bear's Sonic Journals Feb. 1970 compilation are spliced together from two different shows.

The same as Elizabeth Reed on the Fillmore Concerts.


stormyrider - 6/26/2019 at 09:05 PM

I'm pretty sure they spliced what they thought were 2 versions of IMOER together, then when they listened to the tapes is was actually the same version they spliced to itself.
The answer is in the complete Fillmore box set


PeachNutt - 6/26/2019 at 10:12 PM

The Warehouse 3/20/71 show is an excellent soundboard and commonly available. There are very good sounding audience tapes for 3/13/70, 6/5/71 as well. There are audience tapes of 12/31/70 and 9/16/71 shows and both show are spectacular performances. Perhaps these are what Butch was talking about.


PeachNutt - 6/27/2019 at 02:41 AM

I', surprised to this - I was at the 5/1/73 Nassau Coliseum show and Skip emailed me about it a few times, but never mentioned it being from 2different shows. I still have the ticket stub too.

[Edited on 6/27/2019 by PeachNutt]


DOVETAIL - 6/27/2019 at 02:15 PM

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I', surprised to this - I was at the 5/1/73 Nassau Coliseum show and Skip emailed me about it a few times, but never mentioned it being from 2different shows. I still have the ticket stub too.

[Edited on 6/27/2019 by PeachNutt]


I attended the SPAC. show a month or so after Nassau and thought it was absolutely magnificent, an impression borne out by that archival release. It solidified the epiphany I experienced seeing the original lineup at the University of Vermont in late February of '71, about three weeks prior to the recording at Fillmore East (that latter show's setlist was once in the database here, but as of a check a couple weeks ago, no longer).


PeachNutt - 6/27/2019 at 09:55 PM

the 2/28/71 Fieldhouse show is absolutely a must have show. I don't consider the GD Merchandising release one of the ABB Archive shows in this discussion. That one is common knowledge as a spliced job.


stormyrider - 6/28/2019 at 01:36 PM

quote:
the 2/28/71 Fieldhouse show is absolutely a must have show.


definitely.
I am forever grateful to ther person I was trading with who just sent it to me


KCJimmy - 6/28/2019 at 09:36 PM

quote:
the 2/28/71 Fieldhouse show is absolutely a must have show. I don't consider the GD Merchandising release one of the ABB Archive shows in this discussion. That one is common knowledge as a spliced job.
Man if there was a way to clean that one up really good it would be GOLD. My favorite by far in terms of performance.


DarylM - 6/29/2019 at 10:30 PM


So the release date has been pushed back already?! How do you announce a release date
one week and then push it back the next? JHC. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


salcapitano - 6/30/2019 at 01:26 AM

I don't see any changes in the date. Sept 6th.


adhill58 - 7/1/2019 at 02:01 PM

quote:

So the release date has been pushed back already?! How do you announce a release date
one week and then push it back the next? JHC. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


I understand Daryl's confusion.

The first announcement I saw had an August release date, 08-16-2019 I think. I don't remember if that was one from the band or from a magazine or something.


DOVETAIL - 7/2/2019 at 02:24 PM

quote:
quote:

So the release date has been pushed back already?! How do you announce a release date
one week and then push it back the next? JHC. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


I understand Daryl's confusion.

The first announcement I saw had an August release date, 08-16-2019 I think. I don't remember if that was one from the band or from a magazine or something.


I do believe the initial posting @ Jambase had an August street date!?...I am all for waiting a bit for the curators to confirm the correct dates and venues, all the more so for premium sound quality---all to match the presumed splendor of the music!?!?!


PeachNutt - 7/5/2019 at 03:59 PM

I just hope it ships on time!!!!


cmgst34 - 8/17/2019 at 03:06 AM

I’m listening to WP on Sirius/XM right now. It’s great.

Might be the newness of it, but this is a very very cool version and evolved from the earlier versions.

Now I really want to hear it all.


DOVETAIL - 8/18/2019 at 05:55 PM

Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!


Bill_Graham - 8/18/2019 at 11:08 PM

quote:
Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!


How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?


DOVETAIL - 8/19/2019 at 01:06 AM

quote:
quote:
Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!


How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?


As a matter of fact, i have heard the CD's start to finish in multiple systems...Crappy value-add T symptomatic of generally slipshod approach including annotation re dates etc..But ya know , if it doesn't matter to those making thses decisions, why should it matter to me!?


Bill_Graham - 8/19/2019 at 02:20 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Release should be delayed long enough to re-bill all existing pre-orders at half the original price: with sound close to horrible on two of four CD's, barely acceptable on the other two and not enough flashes of brilliance in musicianship to compensate, nobody should pay the going rate for compact discs ( or LP's for that matter)...AND Everyone who,preorders should get a t-shirt at no charge given how absolutely ugly it is (anybody could have one of those made at their local shop)---why not the Marshall cover photo on the garment instead?: did the powers that be not want to pay the photographer for those rights???? This package does not do justice to the ABB legacy or properly commemorate the 50th anniversary of the band's formation!


How do you know the sound quality is horrible and barely acceptable have you heard these discs yet or are you still venting about the date mix up? The tracks played on Sirius sounded very good quality to me when originally broadcast.

As far as the t-shirt goes you can buy the version without the shirt so why the beef?

And you mentioned LP's which I am pretty sure don't exist as of yet?

Listen I respect your disappointment in the date confusion but complaining about a release you haven't heard yet is irrational at best. Why not wait until you hear the thing before passing judgement?


As a matter of fact, i have heard the CD's start to finish in multiple systems...Crappy value-add T symptomatic of generally slipshod approach including annotation re dates etc..But ya know , if it doesn't matter to those making thses decisions, why should it matter to me!?


Fair enough, but if you heard the official release CD's that we will be getting why not give us some details as to why the sound quality is subpar? I am not talking about the boots that have been circulating for ages I am talking about the box set CD's to be released in September.

If the sound sucks on these official CD's how about why they suck. These are 2 track SB tapes so why are they subpar? The tracks they played on Sirius that were supposedly from the 29th sounded at least as good as the other official bootleg releases from the Duane era IMHO so how would you compare them?

And if you are on the inside and got copies early why not complain to those in charge directly since you seem to have some pull?

As far as you caring about the tshirt you don't seem to like and the confusion about the dates, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and dissatisfaction but share what you heard and educate the rest of us who have not heard all 4CD's.


DOVETAIL - 8/19/2019 at 02:27 AM

fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Bill_Graham - 8/19/2019 at 09:11 AM

quote:
fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck?

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]


JimSheridan - 8/19/2019 at 02:09 PM

The keytar is buried in the mix.


DOVETAIL - 8/19/2019 at 02:17 PM

quote:
quote:
fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck?

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Simply considering the audience, my man, one that brings to mind that which the late Jim Morrison yelled at the audience that fateful night in Miami!?!? And that's not to mention "those in charge:" "the executioner's face is always well hidden" as Dylan so astutely observed and those who executed FW '71 may be those same individuals who couldn't command enough respect from the band in 2014 to mount a respectable farewell tour. The credits that appear on the package, as well as the ones that DON'T, tell a story all their own.


thetoweringfool - 8/19/2019 at 02:18 PM

quote:
quote:
fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck? ..because Dovetail is a troll. Don’t take the bait nor feed it. Even if not trolling, the Dove is entitled to his/her opinion...it doesn’t matter; because we’re still going to buy it. A new Duane-era official release to commemorate the 50th is a mandatory purchase. Let’s let our ears be the judge. Exciting stuff and here’s hoping BO’s Tractor plunking, GA’s organ and Jai ‘s cymbals are prominent in the mix! (...and it’s pressed to vinyl too!)

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]


DOVETAIL - 8/19/2019 at 02:20 PM

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The keytar is buried in the mix.

Well, there's faux pas and there's faux pas...which is no doubt the source of the cliche 'name your poison'


DannnyO - 8/19/2019 at 04:21 PM

I have been listening to them for over a week. My local library has a webpage with access to Freegal Music Service where you can download a handful of songs per week. ABB is one of the featured groups. The rhythm section is on fire. It is good to hear another version of Hot'lanta The recording is not as warm and clean as the Fillmore East shows but what is? Somewhere in my basement I have a Fillmore West bootleg on cassette, I will have to dig it out and see what the date is. They have added a version of Mtn Jam from the Warehouse in New Orleans from 3/13/70. There is a a great setlist from one of the Warehouse shows that needs to be released, it has Revival, Dont Want You no More/ Not my Cross to Bear etc...


Bill_Graham - 8/19/2019 at 04:54 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck? ..because Dovetail is a troll. Don’t take the bait nor feed it. Even if not trolling, the Dove is entitled to his/her opinion...it doesn’t matter; because we’re still going to buy it. A new Duane-era official release to commemorate the 50th is a mandatory purchase. Let’s let our ears be the judge. Exciting stuff and here’s hoping BO’s Tractor plunking, GA’s organ and Jai ‘s cymbals are prominent in the mix! (...and it’s pressed to vinyl too!)

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]





In the big scheme of things it really does not matter. He is certainly entitled to his opinion but he made some cryptic statements alluding to the fact he had heard the CD's already so I was curious where he was coming from and why he felt they sucked. I thought he was a serious fan so wanted his real opinion if he indeed had heard them but I know now I will not get a straight answer so I am done asking.

In any case, we will know the reality come Sept 6th and if they sound as good as the Sirius broadcast I will be a happy camper.

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]


AlPaul - 8/19/2019 at 05:21 PM

I love the thing and am happy to have it on CD.


Stephen - 8/19/2019 at 06:36 PM

quote:
I have been listening to them for over a week. My local library has a webpage with access to Freegal Music Service where you can download a handful of songs per week. ABB is one of the featured groups. The rhythm section is on fire. It is good to hear another version of Hot'lanta The recording is not as warm and clean as the Fillmore East shows but what is? Somewhere in my basement I have a Fillmore West bootleg on cassette, I will have to dig it out and see what the date is. They have added a version of Mtn Jam from the Warehouse in New Orleans from 3/13/70. There is a a great setlist from one of the Warehouse shows that needs to be released, it has Revival, Dont Want You no More/ Not my Cross to Bear etc...


All this material IINMstkn is from the 3/20 Warehouse show -- they were otherwise occupied on 3/13 & a great setlist for sure
My copy of the Fillmore West show compares just fine to most other soundboard boots I have
Can the CD set now be ordered? thought it was next month


PeachNutt - 8/19/2019 at 09:56 PM

3/13 is from 1970, 3/20 is from 1971 -


DOVETAIL - 8/19/2019 at 10:18 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
fair enough response (at least to a point) and more enlightened than is often the case here...Education!?!?....HAH!?..."All good things in all good time" as the poet once said...

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by DOVETAIL]


Why all the mystery Dove? If you really heard the release version of the CD's why not share your thoughts on the quality with some details other than your previous comment that it is substandard? Why does it suck? ..because Dovetail is a troll. Don’t take the bait nor feed it. Even if not trolling, the Dove is entitled to his/her opinion...it doesn’t matter; because we’re still going to buy it. A new Duane-era official release to commemorate the 50th is a mandatory purchase. Let’s let our ears be the judge. Exciting stuff and here’s hoping BO’s Tractor plunking, GA’s organ and Jai ‘s cymbals are prominent in the mix! (...and it’s pressed to vinyl too!)

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]





In the big scheme of things it really does not matter. He is certainly entitled to his opinion but he made some cryptic statements alluding to the fact he had heard the CD's already so I was curious where he was coming from and why he felt they sucked. I thought he was a serious fan so wanted his real opinion if he indeed had heard them but I know now I will not get a straight answer so I am done asking.

In any case, we will know the reality come Sept 6th and if they sound as good as the Sirius broadcast I will be a happy camper.

[Edited on 8/19/2019 by Bill_Graham]


I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that I am in fact TOO serious a fan to participate in a straightforward dialogue and exchange of information here. So, I have nothing to say on the packaging except that it virtually screams cheapness the likes of which this band has complained of during their entire career. We should all strive to be the happy warrior that is Alan Paul.


WarEagleRK - 8/20/2019 at 01:26 AM

So you can be too serious of a fan of a band to have a conversation with other fans to give them information in a helpful way? You learn something new every day.

Adults on the internet in 2019.


adhill58 - 8/20/2019 at 01:58 AM

I also have access to the public library streaming site through my local library. Have listened to at least part of each track. You never know what they had to work with as far as the condition of the tapes and the original recording quality... so it's hard to be too critical. However, in my opinion, the front half or so of the set does sound better than back end. The first couple of the nights (roughly) sound pretty good on my computer with some decent Harmon/Kardon speakers. I would say this part is comparable in quality to the recent Owsley Stanley release, maybe just below the "A&R Studio" release from a couple years ago. The end of the second night and the beginning of the third night (roughly) is more in the ballpark of the five archival shows that were released in the early 2000s - worth hearing, if not absolutely perfect. Then it seems like the end of the third night is back up to pretty good quality. The bonus Mountain Jam from the Warehouse show is of lower quality. There is some real tape hiss, at least point where the sound just drops out for a moment, and the cymbals are pretty "tinny" sounding on that one, but there are some unique musical spots in it, too.

I am happy to hear new stuff, and really don't want to complain about them putting anything new out. Just stating my perception of the quality. When those archival series CDs were released, I played them non-stop. I assume I will be able to get some mileage out of this new release as well.

[Edited on 8/20/2019 by adhill58]


DOVETAIL - 8/20/2019 at 06:55 AM

quote:
So you can be too serious of a fan of a band to have a conversation with other fans to give them information in a helpful way? You learn something new every day.

Adults on the internet in 2019.




It can be an exercise in futility to try and engage in a dialogue with idol worshippers and/or sycophants.One of the unfortunate aspects of adulthood is coming to terms with such frustrations..O bla di O Bla da...


porkchopbob - 8/20/2019 at 01:57 PM

They just released a preview of "Midnight Rider"

https://www.jambase.com/article/allman-brothers-band-midnight-rider-fillmor e-west-71

According to Jambase, this track comes from the first disc. The quality is a little muddy it being a 2-track tape.


adhill58 - 8/20/2019 at 02:00 PM

Has anyone checked Spotify or Pandora? It may be on all of the streaming sites...


Bill_Graham - 8/20/2019 at 02:39 PM

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They just released a preview of "Midnight Rider"

https://www.jambase.com/article/allman-brothers-band-midnight-rider-fillmor e-west-71

According to Jambase, this track comes from the first disc. The quality is a little muddy it being a 2-track tape.


That is the point! it is a 2 track SB tape that was most likely sitting in a former band associates closet until recently. It was never recorded originally with any thought of releasing it to the public.

I heard the original Sirius broadcast of the supposed show from the 29th on a decent car audio system and the SQ was similar to the other Duane Era official bootlegs IMHO, which is very listenable. Is it Fillmore East quality? of course not as it is not multitrack.

It amazes me that we get excited when a new poor quality audience recording is unearthed yet when the band releases a decent 2 track SB and some fans (not you) pick it part before it is even released.

We are getting a 4CD, 3 different show, vintage Duane era box set for less than $10 a CD. Isn't that enough to be happy about?

[Edited on 8/20/2019 by Bill_Graham]

[Edited on 8/20/2019 by Bill_Graham]


PeachNutt - 8/20/2019 at 10:01 PM

That is the point! it is a 2 track SB tape that was most likely sitting in a former band associates closet until recently. It was never recorded originally with any thought of releasing it to the public.

I heard the original Sirius broadcast of the supposed show from the 29th on a decent car audio system and the SQ was similar to the other Duane Era official bootlegs IMHO, which is very listenable. Is it Fillmore East quality? of course not as it is not multitrack.


It amazes me that we get excited when a new poor quality audience recording is unearthed yet when the band releases a decent 2 track SB and some fans (not you) pick it part before it is even released.
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Yes it is!!!!









[Edited on 8/21/2019 by PeachNutt]

[Edited on 8/21/2019 by PeachNutt]


JimSheridan - 8/21/2019 at 03:58 AM

"We are getting a 4CD, 3 different show, vintage Duane era box set for less than $10 a CD. Isn't that enough to be happy about?"

I think that this is a good way to look at it.

Back in the mid/late 90s, a few years after I started getting into CDs after years of digging vinyl, a single-disc CD bootleg was $25-30 bucks, and a double-disc CD bootleg was $50 - 60 bucks. I still have some of the ones I bought.

I will probably get this set from Amazon for 43 bucks. I will weigh in after I have heard it, but I do not feel apprehensive about getting my money's worth.


adhill58 - 8/21/2019 at 12:36 PM

I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...


matt05 - 8/21/2019 at 01:37 PM

quote:
I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


Bill_Graham - 8/21/2019 at 01:57 PM

quote:
quote:
I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


Sept 6th was last I heard


adhill58 - 8/21/2019 at 02:03 PM

quote:
quote:
I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.


matt05 - 8/21/2019 at 03:01 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


DOVETAIL - 8/21/2019 at 08:00 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


CAREFUL!?!?!?!....Opening THAT can of worms might simultaneously crack some of the fragile eggshell minds around here!?!?!


steved - 8/21/2019 at 09:00 PM

So... how about that Allman Brothers Band. I hear their pretty good.


Bill_Graham - 8/21/2019 at 09:14 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


We don't have any idea right now due to all the descrepancies.

1. Discs and Tshirts dates are different
2. During the original Sirius broadcast Haynes wife, Stefani Scamardo, was the DJ and she claimed the Fillmore West run started on the 27th which is contrary to the concert poster start date of the 28th.
3. She also said the broadcast was from the 29th and was the third show so this implies the first show was the 27th which she commented they had not found a tape for.
4. Before "Don't Keep Me Wondering?" in the broadcast Duane says they enjoyed the first three nights and they would enjoy this one or something to that effect. So I am wondering if this tape is from the following night which would be the 30th if the first date was the 28th.

Maybe one of the hardcore collectors here will compare their personal tapes to the official release and sort it out but for now the mystery continues.

[Edited on 8/21/2019 by Bill_Graham]


DOVETAIL - 8/21/2019 at 10:52 PM

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I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


We don't have any idea right now due to all the descrepancies.

1. Discs and Tshirts dates are different
2. During the original Sirius broadcast Haynes wife, Stefani Scamardo, was the DJ and she claimed the Fillmore West run started on the 27th which is contrary to the concert poster start date of the 28th.
3. She also said the broadcast was from the 29th and was the third show so this implies the first show was the 27th which she commented they had not found a tape for.
4. Before "Don't Keep Me Wondering?" in the broadcast Duane says they enjoyed the first three nights and they would enjoy this one or something to that effect. So I am wondering if this tape is from the following night which would be the 30th if the first date was the 28th.

Maybe one of the hardcore collectors here will compare their personal tapes to the official release and sort it out but for now the mystery continues.

[Edited on 8/21/2019 by Bill_Graham]


Gosh, don't wanna sound disingenuous or unreasonable here----especially in light of previous discussions on the topic in this very thread---but would it not be the responsibility of the producers of this package to thoroughly research those details In pre-production, before manufacturing?! I am having the most difficult time understanding why the curators would not apply a rigor to their efforts comparable to that which the band applied to its music. And please don't hint or come right out and say such effort is not worth the time and/or money in proportion to the potential sales:by that logic, this package should be budget-priced!?!?!


matt05 - 8/21/2019 at 10:57 PM

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I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


We don't have any idea right now due to all the descrepancies.

1. Discs and Tshirts dates are different
2. During the original Sirius broadcast Haynes wife, Stefani Scamardo, was the DJ and she claimed the Fillmore West run started on the 27th which is contrary to the concert poster start date of the 28th.
3. She also said the broadcast was from the 29th and was the third show so this implies the first show was the 27th which she commented they had not found a tape for.
4. Before "Don't Keep Me Wondering?" in the broadcast Duane says they enjoyed the first three nights and they would enjoy this one or something to that effect. So I am wondering if this tape is from the following night which would be the 30th if the first date was the 28th.

Maybe one of the hardcore collectors here will compare their personal tapes to the official release and sort it out but for now the mystery continues.

[Edited on 8/21/2019 by Bill_Graham]



thanks. i guess we'll know soon enough


DOVETAIL - 8/21/2019 at 11:25 PM

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I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


We don't have any idea right now due to all the descrepancies.

1. Discs and Tshirts dates are different
2. During the original Sirius broadcast Haynes wife, Stefani Scamardo, was the DJ and she claimed the Fillmore West run started on the 27th which is contrary to the concert poster start date of the 28th.
3. She also said the broadcast was from the 29th and was the third show so this implies the first show was the 27th which she commented they had not found a tape for.
4. Before "Don't Keep Me Wondering?" in the broadcast Duane says they enjoyed the first three nights and they would enjoy this one or something to that effect. So I am wondering if this tape is from the following night which would be the 30th if the first date was the 28th.

Maybe one of the hardcore collectors here will compare their personal tapes to the official release and sort it out but for now the mystery continues.

[Edited on 8/21/2019 by Bill_Graham]



thanks. i guess we'll know soon enough


Not unless the packaging and/or content is altered!?!?!


Lee - 8/22/2019 at 11:16 AM

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I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that I am in fact TOO serious a fan to participate in a straightforward dialogue and exchange of information here. So, I have nothing to say on the packaging except that it virtually screams cheapness the likes of which this band has complained of during their entire career. We should all strive to be the happy warrior that is Alan Paul.


What is it that is wrong with the packaging that the band has complained about? Never heard that. They all seem fine to me (Except Brothers of the Road and Reach for the Sky).


DOVETAIL - 8/22/2019 at 01:43 PM

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I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that I am in fact TOO serious a fan to participate in a straightforward dialogue and exchange of information here. So, I have nothing to say on the packaging except that it virtually screams cheapness the likes of which this band has complained of during their entire career. We should all strive to be the happy warrior that is Alan Paul.


What is it that is wrong with the packaging that the band has complained about? Never heard that. They all seem fine to me (Except Brothers of the Road and Reach for the Sky).


Was not referring to cheapness of packaging but of business arrangements over the years from Phil Walden to Arista years then on to the Sony label: a long-established precedent still in place!?!?


WarEagleRK - 8/23/2019 at 02:14 AM

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I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


We don't have any idea right now due to all the descrepancies.

1. Discs and Tshirts dates are different
2. During the original Sirius broadcast Haynes wife, Stefani Scamardo, was the DJ and she claimed the Fillmore West run started on the 27th which is contrary to the concert poster start date of the 28th.
3. She also said the broadcast was from the 29th and was the third show so this implies the first show was the 27th which she commented they had not found a tape for.
4. Before "Don't Keep Me Wondering?" in the broadcast Duane says they enjoyed the first three nights and they would enjoy this one or something to that effect. So I am wondering if this tape is from the following night which would be the 30th if the first date was the 28th.

Maybe one of the hardcore collectors here will compare their personal tapes to the official release and sort it out but for now the mystery continues.

[Edited on 8/21/2019 by Bill_Graham]


This band has been mismanaged at multiple levels for decades. However if they can't get dates right on something like this, then zero effort is being put into quality control.

This bad should have a much greater legacy than it does, but nobody has seemingly ever tried to actually do any next level promotion or brand building.

At the very least if they are going to do these legacy releases they need at least one guy like David Lemeaux with the Dead who can cultivate it.


WarEagleRK - 8/23/2019 at 02:17 AM

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I have been able to listen to more of the full tracks online in the last couple of days, although not all of it yet. I don't feel like it is a rip-off or anything near it. The only people who might be disappointed would be someone who expected it to sound like At Fillmore East . It wasn't my impression from any of the announcement info that it was claimed to be sonic perfection.

It sounds good, but there is a little unevenness across the whole thing and a couple of tape splices(?) where it drops out - that's life. If someone only wants them to put out old stuff that can be cleaned up to the point where it sounds perfect, they probably are going to be bored. One has to assume that perfectly recorded and preserved early stuff may not exist and is the reason the archival stuff has been so limited, for instance, in comparison with the Dead who seem to have a never ending reservoir of shows from which to dump fancy new release packages. We'll have to wait to see if there are packaging issues like the apparently mislabeled dates.

The vast majority of people on here are going to be thrilled to hear it. I am digging it. I ordered the CDs from the Big House online store when it was first announced, I'm glad to be supporting the museum through my purchase as well. No worries...






what should the dates of this release actually be?


The CDs are labeled 01/29/71, 01/30/71, and 01/31/71 in the photo on the Big House Museum online store. The question is that they played each night 01/28 through 01/31, so if the first disc is actually the 01/28 show, then either one or two of the discs is mislabeled. One night (either 01/29 or 01/30) got supposedly moved to Winterland Arena, so if the dates are correct, the venue is wrong on one of the discs.




so at this moment no one knows what is not labeled correctly?


CAREFUL!?!?!?!....Opening THAT can of worms might simultaneously crack some of the fragile eggshell minds around here!?!?!


Seems a mirror might apply here as you seem fairly fragile with some of these types of responses. Not knocking you but you have had some pretty defensive responses here as well.


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