Thread: Fillmore 3/13/71 footage synched with the audio from the box set?

Joe_the_Lurker - 8/9/2018 at 11:28 AM

What the heck is this!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucu0cjgWB3Q

Never seen this before!


blackey - 8/9/2018 at 09:31 PM

It's unlikely the sound is coming from those home movies.

But what this is...is showing how the original lineup kicks butt and plays with an energy and raw power that no later lineup of the Allman Brothers had. It must have been coming from Duane Allman. Because after he was gone the band never had that level of energy again.

That is why I'm so dumbfounded when some here indicate the last lineup was the Allman Brothers at its best. Apparently people making such a statement never saw the original band.

When it comes to really letting an electric guitar smoke like a rocket, no other guitar player in the history of the Allman Brothers could touch Duane Allman. And young Dickey was right behind him. Today's Dickey doesn't come close to the Dickey Duane played with or Warren played with for that matter. I'm hoping the last show means he can regain some of the old Dickey. The tapes I heard of Macon and even the Beacon had weak playing and too many awful notes. Glad to hear Dickey's son is really coming around as a top notch player. He and Devon Allman are smoking real good right now.


Joe_the_Lurker - 8/10/2018 at 01:23 PM

I've been lurking around this site for 20 years. I used to be Astro_Joe or something but forgot my password and rejoined as the lurker in 2009 and in all of these years of being an Allman fanatic, I have never seen or read anything of any footage from THE Fillmore concerts existing, even if just a few seconds. So it was a huge surprise to me to stumble upon this.


RyanBelair - 8/10/2018 at 01:36 PM

"SlideJules" put that together a few years ago. He painstakingly took the video that had no sound, and the only info on it was the date, and synched the audio with it. So he watched and tried to gauge, by the movements, what video match up to the songs from the 2 shows worth of songs that are on the 3/13/71 Filmore Box Set. He friggin nailed. It is electrifying stuff! It was cool when the video first surfaced with no sound from those performances, but what Jules was, amazingly, able to do really brought it to life.

If only there was more!

[Edited on 8/10/2018 by RyanBelair]


VTAB - 8/10/2018 at 06:39 PM

Blackey - Many of us learned about and started following the band post Duane. I've seen about 10 shows and most have been wonderful but first was 1980, long time after DA passed. I appreciate the posts from those who saw the "Allman Brothers" play together and relish the what might have been. A lot of us never heard the ABB live prior to Duanes unfortunate passing. I agree the final Warren & Derek run was as great. I have nothing to compare too though as recordings vs live music just not the same.


hotlantatim - 8/10/2018 at 07:03 PM

"That is why I'm so dumbfounded when some here indicate the last lineup was the Allman Brothers at its best."

15 yard penalty for attacking a straw man! -


blackey - 8/11/2018 at 01:27 AM

Hotlantian what do you mean straw man? Do you mean there are NOT people here who state the last lineup WAS the Allman Brothers or the best lineup? I have read that here more than once on this site. And I scratch my head and say " they must not have seen the original lineup".

I've seen ALL lineups and after Duane died the band never again had the energy and drive the original line up had.

In a way the Allman Brothers Band ended on October 29th, 1971. Not 2014.

VTAB The 1978 to 1982 version of the band, especially after they sacked Jaimoe and added Mike Lawler and David Toler, was the lineup out of all of them that just didn't work for me. They played with a lot of energy but the chemistry was off. Some of the songs were good from the 3 albums they made but the albums were just so-so. Especially Brothers of the Road. I saw several shows from that period and the live shows plus the 3 albums sounded more like Dickey Betts and Great Southern and The Gregg Allman Band share the same stage than the Allman Brothers. As a matter of fact, Gregg and Dickey toured together in 1986 and I saw a couple of those shows. Dickey's band played then Gregg's band followed by a 3rd set with the two bands mixed together and they played songs made famous by the ABB. They even played two shows mixed as The Allman Brothers Band. One in Nashville and one in New York for Bill Graham. The Nashville Show is on YouTube and Dickey was especially good. Lots of energy, technically advanced and very clean.


slidejules - 8/12/2018 at 09:08 AM

quote:
"SlideJules" put that together a few years ago. He painstakingly took the video that had no sound, and the only info on it was the date, and synched the audio with it. So he watched and tried to gauge, by the movements, what video match up to the songs from the 2 shows worth of songs that are on the 3/13/71 Filmore Box Set. He friggin nailed. It is electrifying stuff! It was cool when the video first surfaced with no sound from those performances, but what Jules was, amazingly, able to do really brought it to life.

If only there was more!

[Edited on 8/10/2018 by RyanBelair]


Yup, that was me. I'm a geek :-) It was a very fun exercise to go through it and to be honest not as hard as you'd think. It was really lucky that the clips available did have a few little "hints" i.e. Duane handing over to gregg after his slide solo... well, that could only really be Done Somebody Wrong or Statesboro, so it was just a question of listening to the versions on the box set to see what matched. Then matching the speed (I think the video was sped up maybe 10% from memory, it needed adjusting a tiny smidge to match the audio). There were some other clips on the same silent real (I think a tiny bit of Dickey soloing on something, maybe Liz Reed, and a bit of Gregg singing) that I couldn't match up, you couldn't really make out any detail and there weren't enough cues. Luckily Duane was so energetic with his movements that you could make out quite easily what "sort" of sound would match his movements.

Back in the early days of the big house website there was a little animated gif up in the corner which had some silent footage of Duane in the peacock shirt, I believe from 6/27/71. I'd love to have a go at matching that up but don't know who has that footage now. Also I think there's a bit from 9/29(??)/71 texas but no audio to go with it.

Anyway it was great fun and yes like you I just wish there were more footage out there. I adore Duane's playing and think it's criminal that his legacy is so under-represented in terms of video... such a shame...


aiq - 8/15/2018 at 02:12 PM

I did not hear every version but many of them. The OG band was a force, Berry had a good bit to do with that.

Haynes/Trucks was a great band certainly.

Those Owsley tapes reveal the power, tempos up and such drive. Gregg singing snarly and strong.

Time goes but one way and you just take what you can get when you can get it.


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