Thread: Lindsey Buckingham Leaves Fleetwood Mac, Mike Campbell Joins

jszfunk - 4/10/2018 at 11:46 AM

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Lindsey Buckingham's second tenure with Fleetwood Mac has apparently come to an end. Reports are saying he has parted ways with the band 22 years after their classic lineup reunited and that he'll be replaced on an upcoming tour by Mike Campbell of the Heartbreakers and Neil Finn of Crowded House.

Rolling Stone is reporting that Buckingham was fired over a disagreement regarding the tour.

“Fleetwood Mac has always been about an amazing collection of songs that are performed with a unique blend of talents,” Mick Fleetwood told Variety. “We jammed with Mike and Neil and the chemistry really worked and let the band realize that this is the right combination to go forward with in Fleetwood Mac style. We know we have something new, yet it’s got the unmistakable Mac sound.”




“We are thrilled to welcome the musical talents of the caliber of Mike Campbell and Neil Finn into the Mac family," the band added in a statement. "With Mike and Neil, we’ll be performing all the hits that the fans love, plus we’ll be surprising our audiences with some tracks from our historic catalog of songs. Fleetwood Mac has always been a creative evolution. We look forward to honoring that spirit on this upcoming tour."

The statement concluded that “Lindsey Buckingham will not be performing with the band on this tour. The band wishes Lindsey all the best.”

According to Variety, news of Buckingham's departure was first made public on April 4 when Billy Burnette, who took over for Buckingham from 1987-95, tweeted, “Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out but I’m not in.” The tweet was deleted a few hours later.

Campbell's connection to singer Stevie Nicks runs deep; they worked together on her 1981 debut solo album, Bella Donna. The record came about after Nicks told Atlantic Records' president, Doug Morris, that she wanted to be a member of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Morris told her that Petty had a rule: "No girls allowed." Variety adds that Fleetwood played with Finn's son, Liam, at an event in New Zealand last year.


The arrival of Buckingham and Nicks, then a couple, on New Year's Eve 1974 changed the fate of Fleetwood Mac. The band had been primarily known as a solid but low-selling blues band up to that point, and the pop sensibility the duo brought, beginning with 1975's Fleetwood Mac, turned them into superstars. Two years later, their breakup, as well as the divorce of bandmates John and Christine McVie, was chronicled on the hit album Rumours.

Buckingham left shortly after the release of 1987's Tango in the Night, when Burnette and Rick Vito replaced him. But he came back, first for their performance at President Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 and then four years later for The Dance live LP.

Campbell joined up with Petty in the early '70s, when they were in the band Mudcrutch. He became Petty's most important collaborator throughout the years right up until Petty's 2017 death. In addition to Nicks, Campbell has also worked with Don Henley, Johnny Cash, George Harrison, Warren Zevon and many others.

A native of New Zealand, Finn got his start in 1977 when he joined Split Enz, who were fronted by his brother Tim. Over the next few years, he began taking a bigger role in songwriting, giving the band an international hit in 1980 with "I Got You." After their 1984 breakup, Finn formed Crowded House and had two Top 10 hits, "Don't Dream It's Over" and "Something So Strong," from their self-titled 1986 debut. They broke up a decade later, and Finn has since released several solo albums and occasionally reunited with Crowded House. He confirmed his involvement in Fleetwood Mac on Twitter.


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/neil-finn-mick-fleetwood-fleetwood-mac/

Crowded House frontman Neil Finn's surprise appearance in Fleetwood Mac's touring lineup seemed to come out of left field, but it really didn't. In fact, Finn has been close with Mick Fleetwood, Fleetwood Mac's co-founding drummer, for years.

Fleetwood called Finn a "new music friend" in 2016, and both took part in the recent Concert for Our Lives, which followed the student-organized March for Our Lives, in Maui. Fleetwood sat in with Finn on a cover of Crowded House's "Don't Dream It's Over," according to Setlist.fm, while Fleetwood also earlier teamed with Neil's son Liam Finn for a rendition of the Little Willie John classic "Need Your Love So Bad," from Fleetwood Mac's early repertoire.




"Two weeks ago, I received a wonderful invitation to be a part of a truly great band," Finn said in a statement. "A few days later, I was standing in a room playing music with Fleetwood Mac. It felt fresh and exciting, so many great songs, a spectacular rhythm section and two of the greatest voices ever. Best of all, we sounded good together. It was a natural fit. I can’t wait to play."

"Don't Dream It's Over," a No. 2 Billboard smash, helped propel Crowded House – and Finn – to international fame in 1986; they also had a Top 10 hit with 1987's "Something So Strong" before splitting in 1996. Crowded House then reformed between 2006-10, in a reunion that followed the suicide of the band's original drummer, Paul Hester.

Fleetwood specifically mentioned being a fan of Crowded House as far back as 1989, and the group later tapped longtime Crowded House producer Mitchell Froom to oversee three of the four cuts on Fleetwood Mac's 2013 Extended Play EP – including "Sad Angel," "It Takes Time" and "Miss Fantasy."

Fleetwood traveled to Finn's native New Zealand in 2016 (not long after Finn's most recent stint leading Crowded House) for a studio collaboration. Fleetwood and Finn were also spotted palling around in the studio while Monkey Majik were at work on new music back in 2015.

Finn's latest solo album, 2017's Out of Silence, was recorded via an internet live-stream. He would presumably take over the now-departed Lindsey Buckingham's role on vocals, while Mike Campbell will handle guitar duties.

"Fleetwood Mac has always been about an amazing collection of songs that are performed with a unique blend of talents,” Fleetwood told Variety. “We jammed with Mike and Neil and the chemistry really worked and let the band realize that this is the right combination to go forward with in Fleetwood Mac style. We know we have something new, yet it’s got the unmistakable Mac sound."


islalala - 4/10/2018 at 01:16 PM

Stunned that replacing Buckingham with just Mike Campbell isn't enough and that they think they need Finn, too.

Is Buckingham revered as some sort of guitar god? Chicago replaced Terry Kath with 2 guitarists, too.

Campbell is an excellent player and at least Buckingham's equal, no?

Or is this more of a sonic thing to keep the Mac sound intact?


sully - 4/10/2018 at 02:13 PM

agree islalala. mike campbell is the man. a legend. he can rip, he can be melodic. he can be understated. he can be front and center. in fact, besides trucks, he has had the career that i would have wanted to emulate.

in case you didn't know, campbell brought a music demo to Tom Petty mid/late 80s. Petty wasn't feeling it. But Don Henley needed a song. Campbell gave him the demo. And Boys of Summer was on the air not too much longer. Petty didn't pass up Campbell demos after that one.


matt05 - 4/10/2018 at 03:05 PM

well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .


as far as guitar playing. mike will no be able to replicate lindseys guitar playing. man is a guitar god and finger picks like a bluegrass player


cyclone88 - 4/10/2018 at 03:51 PM

It's 2018. While this news might have been interesting - even shocking - in 1983 - it's kinda meaningless now. The bands of that era have regrouped/split/spun off so many times for many reasons, including that the band members are just OLD AF, that I can only wish them well. Thanks for the post, though.


Zambi - 4/10/2018 at 04:51 PM

Surprising, especially if this is a final farewell Mac tour, but not really earth shattering. I read elsewhere that pointed to Finn's role being needed more for the vox, and the 2nd UCR article above intimates the same.

I might have been reading too much into the public comments, but sounds like they might want to dig into some more of the Mac material pre-dating the Nicks/Buckingham era, so I wonder if that was the rift that led to parting of ways.


patrickcrenshaw - 4/10/2018 at 04:51 PM

how did they let him know? by fax maybe? wondering if dickey is looking for a pretty good vocalist/guitarist for his tour? you know what I always say in situations like this....oh well...


Yankeefan01 - 4/10/2018 at 05:18 PM

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well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .



Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".


matt05 - 4/10/2018 at 06:06 PM

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well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .



Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".


you are correct. I should have stated that better. Campbell doesn't have a voice that can replace buckinghams so another singer had to be brought in


Yankeefan01 - 4/10/2018 at 06:24 PM

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well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .



Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".


you are correct. I should have stated that better. Campbell doesn't have a voice that can replace buckinghams so another singer had to be brought in


And as I posted that I was thinking that Campbell certainly couldn't cover what Buckingham sings. His guitar playing, however, is at par or better than Buckinghams.


WarEagleRK - 4/10/2018 at 06:55 PM

Campbell will do fine, but it will change the songs a little because it's just a different style of playing. Probably not enough for most in the crowd to notice a difference in the guitar sound though.


matt05 - 4/10/2018 at 08:46 PM

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well mike campbell doesn't sing so they need a voice to replace buckinghams .



Campbell does sing. Sounds a lot like Tom Petty too. Don't remember what album, but he sings the lead on "I don't Wanna Fight".


you are correct. I should have stated that better. Campbell doesn't have a voice that can replace buckinghams so another singer had to be brought in


And as I posted that I was thinking that Campbell certainly couldn't cover what Buckingham sings. His guitar playing, however, is at par or better than Buckinghams.



I still don't know about that. no way can I see Campbell being able to play "big love" the way Buckingham plays it unplugged on The Dance. its just 2 totally different styles of playing


amyjared - 4/10/2018 at 09:33 PM

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I still don't know about that. no way can I see Campbell being able to play "big love" the way Buckingham plays it unplugged on The Dance. its just 2 totally different styles of playing


I wouldn't be so sure. I'm in a band that plays oldies (Hendrix, Stones, Who, Traffic, etc.) and some somewhat newer stuff (Elvis Costello, Pixies, Raconteurs, etc.) and while we don't play the "style" of FM, our lead guitarist can pull off The Chain and Big Love...though not like it was played solo, but it won't be solo. I think Campbell is well qualified to bring FM along.


CanadianMule - 4/10/2018 at 09:47 PM

Personally I wish we had gotten a new era of Fleetwood Mac in the 80s after the Buckingham/Nicks era. Instead we got weird soap opera versions that have rehashed for years and have nothing new to offer. You knew after Buckingham made the album with Christine that there would be "issues" down the road. Time will tell if she sticks around as she had just rejoined. It seems that she is.

To me, Campbell and Finn is a great new era and who knows - maybe even a decent album down the road. Both of those guys are writers also.

My favourite tour was the one where Burnett and Vito were there instead of Buckingham. Brought back some Peter Green era stuff which was nice plus the band was great. saw a few shows that tour. saw all the others too and some great shows but those ones were real good.

Neither guitarist was a finger picking style guitarist like Buckingham and it worked just fine.

Lindsey is great at that style of guitar but other aspects of his lead playing are not very strong. Everyone has there strengths.

I may actually go where as with Buckingham I would have passed.


matt05 - 4/11/2018 at 12:31 AM

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I still don't know about that. no way can I see Campbell being able to play "big love" the way Buckingham plays it unplugged on The Dance. its just 2 totally different styles of playing


I wouldn't be so sure. I'm in a band that plays oldies (Hendrix, Stones, Who, Traffic, etc.) and some somewhat newer stuff (Elvis Costello, Pixies, Raconteurs, etc.) and while we don't play the "style" of FM, our lead guitarist can pull off The Chain and Big Love...though not like it was played solo, but it won't be solo. I think Campbell is well qualified to bring FM along.


campbell is a good player. was just pointing out they have 2 totally different styles


WarEagleRK - 4/11/2018 at 03:35 AM

I'm going to guess Campbell will not take too many self congratulatory bows to the crowd after a solo like Buckingham would do from time to time.


dadof2 - 4/11/2018 at 10:49 AM

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I may actually go where as with Buckingham I would have passed.


I’ll check them out first but same feeling here.To my ears Campbell is a more talented and capable player albeit offering up a very different style of playing.

Sorta reminds me of seeing Joe Walsh when he joined The Eagles..many felt(still feel?) he wouldn’t fit...for me he was the highlight of their concert in 1976.Added the grit and R&R that was missing.


pops42 - 4/12/2018 at 10:30 PM

Those of you saying "Oh Mike Campbell doesn't sing" must have missed the part about Neil Finn also being hired??????.


CanadianMule - 4/13/2018 at 12:03 PM

Mike Campbell/ Joe Walsh Funk 49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yno66gxFLs


Lee - 4/13/2018 at 12:05 PM

Didn't Buckingham & Christine McVie do a little tour not too long ago?


CanadianMule - 4/13/2018 at 02:36 PM

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Didn't Buckingham & Christine McVie do a little tour not too long ago?


Released an album also so you knew that Stevie would get her back up and issues would happen. Not surprised at all by his exit. What is this - the fourth time he has left?

I always thought that they gave him too much power and credit. They were massive and then let him start producing and they never did as well again.

Without them, he has failed to make a dent.

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matt05 - 4/13/2018 at 03:25 PM

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Didn't Buckingham & Christine McVie do a little tour not too long ago?


Released an album also so you knew that Stevie would get her back up and issues would happen. Not surprised at all by his exit. What is this - the fourth time he has left?

I always thought that they gave him too much power and credit. They were massive and then let him start producing and they never did as well again.

Without them, he has failed to make a dent.

[Edited on 4/13/2018 by CanadianMule]



huh? you do know starting with rumours Buckingham , Richard Dashut and Ken Caillat pretty much produced everything. yes Buckingham pretty much produced most of rumours so not sure what you meant they gave him the reigns and he failed.

also tango in the night went to #1 and has sold close to 4 million copies in America. the bands 3rd best selling album. how is that a failure if it outsold tusk, the live album and mirage? tango was basically a Buckingham solo album. 7 of the 12 songs Buckingham wrote or co-wrote. he produced the entire thing pretty much by himself. he cobbled together multiple takes of stevie nicks singing to get useable takes for her 3 lead vocals. on top of that stevie got a co-writing credit for "seven wonders" because she was so coked out of her mind she inadvertently sang different lyrics than what was written


CanadianMule - 4/13/2018 at 03:39 PM

After Rumours is where Lindsey told everyone that he should be the producer. Big difference. When he actually became producer, it took forever for weak results.

As for your other points, 4 million is failure in comparison.

They never reached that popularity again. I stand by that and no Lindsey cheerleading will change that fact.

All the other soap opera stuff about how he did it all for everyone. I have read all the same stuff. Blah Blah Blah - everyone was out of their minds. Sure he helped round out tunes - that is what band's do. He obviously needed them to bring him stuff also. Without them, his stuff was weak. Hence a failed solo career.

Stevie seems to have faired very well without Lindsey in her solo career. How was his? LOL

Matt I know you love the guy and I get that he is talented. Just not as talented as he thinks he is.

At this stage, let the Nicks/Buckingham era DIE!!! Nothing new any of them have to offer to Fleetwood Mac.

Lindsey's BS cost them about 5 albums worth of time and endless drama. High maintenance.

Mike Campbell comes with none of that baggage. Works for me and apparently them.


matt05 - 4/13/2018 at 04:05 PM

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After Rumours is where Lindsey told everyone that he should be the producer. Big difference. When he actually became producer, it took forever for weak results.

As for your other points, 4 million is failure in comparison.

They never reached that popularity again. I stand by that and no Lindsey cheerleading will change that fact.

All the other soap opera stuff about how he did it all for everyone. I have read all the same stuff. Blah Blah Blah - everyone was out of their minds. Sure he helped round out tunes - that is what band's do. He obviously needed them to bring him stuff also. Without them, his stuff was weak. Hence a failed solo career.

Stevie seems to have faired very well without Lindsey in her solo career. How was his? LOL

Matt I know you love the guy and I get that he is talented. Just not as talented as he thinks he is.

At this stage, let the Nicks/Buckingham era DIE!!! Nothing new any of them have to offer to Fleetwood Mac.

Lindsey's BS cost them about 5 albums worth of time and endless drama. High maintenance.

Mike Campbell comes with none of that baggage. Works for me and apparently them.





well you have the opposite opinion of mick Fleetwood and Christine mcvie then. Fleetwood in his book says Buckingham ran the rumours sessions, produced it and pretty much fleshed out everyones songs which is why the band agreed to give him free reign over the tusk sessions. guess they are way off though actually being in the band and all. it is stevie nicks who has cost them albums. she refused to take part in an album around 2012. she refused to take part in the recent album sessions that resulted in the Buckingham./mcvie release. she has held up tours.

I'm not even sure where you are getting one ounce of information that Buckingham held up albums and wasted time. he is the one that at minimum 3 times held up his solo career and pretty much sacrificed the material he marked for a solo release and gave it to Fleetwood mac. he is not making albums to sell millions. do you think he has no clue what his solo album sales are? he has another solo album already finished and ready for release. it was actually finished before the Buckingham/mcvie release. he put it on hold to again help the band and nicks refused to contribute and said albums are a waste of time.

finally Buckingham asked the band to put things on hold a few months so he can release and tour this solo album and nicks told the band its him or me. that's why Buckingham is gone. maybe go over to steve Hoffman forums and get in the loop from insiders. he asked for the same respect they grant nicks and after helping the band numerous times they let him go.

as far as solo careers. again he is making albums to make them. go look into nicks solo releases. a lot of belladonna was held back from tusk. gee wonder why tusk didn't do better with people holding back their best material. nicks hooks up with hot producers, has tons of outside songwriters, the best musicians money can buy play on her albums. after the wild heart most of the songs aren't even written by nicks. please name me the big hits or better known nicks solo songs she wrote by herself after 1983. the last confirmed new material she has even written is now 8 years ago and counting and even then some of those songs are decades old.


I'd also like to ask. how did Fleetwood mac fair without Lindsey. I'm sure none of us can forget the huge smash hit album behind the mask that barely went gold , so this is the worst selling FM album nicks is on and funny no Lindsey. it produced 1 minor barely top 40 hit and nicks isn't even the lead vocalist of that song. her singles from that album flopped and she hasn't had a hit single with FM or as a solo artist since the 80's

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CanadianMule - 4/13/2018 at 06:02 PM

You're funny. We have hashed it all out before - go back and find it.

Cocaine produced Rumours. I don't take away from his input on songs and never have. Very different than producing.

After Rumours, it all moves to Lindsey's place and so begins the decline. Rambling all that you want won't change that.

He makes albums to make albums? LOL - comical. He thought he would be massive and failed. He needs peoples' material to write with.

But you can love him all day long and I fully respect that. I've met him and he was a good guy. Just not the guru is proclaims himself to be. Without the others - no success at all.

I know the history well and all of their cocaine fuelled memories. The Decline started with his home studio and Tusk. I need no forum to tell me that - I worked trying to sell a warehouse full of them.


matt05 - 4/13/2018 at 06:38 PM

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You're funny. We have hashed it all out before - go back and find it.

Cocaine produced Rumours. I don't take away from his input on songs and never have. Very different than producing.

After Rumours, it all moves to Lindsey's place and so begins the decline. Rambling all that you want won't change that.

He makes albums to make albums? LOL - comical. He thought he would be massive and failed. He needs peoples' material to write with.

But you can love him all day long and I fully respect that. I've met him and he was a good guy. Just not the guru is proclaims himself to be. Without the others - no success at all.

I know the history well and all of their cocaine fuelled memories. The Decline started with his home studio and Tusk. I need no forum to tell me that - I worked trying to sell a warehouse full of them.


I'm not even being funny. I literally copied and pasted things just now from the steve Hoffman forum. a forum that has people who have actually worked at the label or with the band making these remarks. they know how things work and who is to blame.

again though, why does Buckingham keep creating new albums if he's not making music for the love of music. that's entirely 100% what has caused the latest drama in the band. he wants to keep creating new FM music and stop being an oldies act and nicks no longer wanted to. I'm sure he knows he has never even had a gold selling solo album yet he is about to release his 4th solo album since 2006. he has albums out in 2006, 2008, 2011, 2017 with mcvie and he will release one in 2018. are you saying he is stupid and thinks all the sudden he will be a multi million selling artist by himself?


meanwhile nicks stopped caring about creating new music after 2010's in your dreams became her first solo album that failed to go at least gold. every interview after that shes stated no one buys albums, they are a waste of time and energy. shes done 1 album since then of all older unreleased tunes that she said deserved to be heard but were left off albums for various reasons.


so lets compare. 1 artist wants to keep creating new material. has help create 6 albums of new material since 2003. 1 artist has their first failed solo album and refuses to write new music since then and has only released 3 albums of new material since 2001. who is doing it for the art and who is doing it for the money?


you never even replied as to why behind the mask, with nicks and no Buckingham, is the worst selling nicks era FM release? even the album from 2003 say you will has sold more than behind the mask.

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matt05 - 4/13/2018 at 06:56 PM

as stated it was all over once Lindsey took control.

nicks era FM certified USA sales

1975 self titled 5 million
1977 rumours 20 million
1979 tusk 2 million
1982 mirage 2 million
1987 tango in the night 3 million

exit Buckingham nicks still in the band
1990 behind the mask 1/2 a million

so other than rumours the bands sales seems to be pretty level. sorry they did were not able to maintain the level of one of the highest selling albums ever. if that's the case lets look at other huge failures and someone can explain what these artists did to drop off a cliff

1984 born in the usa 15 million
1987 tunnel of love 3 million

1980 back in black 22 million
1981 for those about to rock 4 million

1984 purple rain 12 million
1985 around the world in a day 2 million

1987 hysteria 12 million
1992 adrenalize 3 million




while i'll be darn. its almost like the same thing happened to every artist with a huge selling album. Fleetwood mac was able to maintain pretty much 3 million in sales their entire initial run. prince, springsteen, def leppard, ac/dc and many more fell off even further with the albums released after the ones I posted


Lee - 4/13/2018 at 07:58 PM

Not to get into the middle of this but matt, with all due respect, do you really think Springsteen, AC/DC and Prince's follow ups to (I would think anyway) their biggest commercial successes were "huge failures"? All three of the ones you mention are iconic. At least to me anyway.

And I know a lot about the making of Tunnel of Love. There's more behind that album than you probably know. Listen to the lyrics. Doesn't take a genius to understand why he wrote that.

Pretty sure Bruce didn't really care how many of those he sold for a few reasons. Doesn't mean he put out a clunker.

And how could any of the three follow up with what they did beforehand? Doesn't make them bad IMO.


matt05 - 4/13/2018 at 08:20 PM

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Not to get into the middle of this but matt, with all due respect, do you really think Springsteen, AC/DC and Prince's follow ups to (I would think anyway) their biggest commercial successes were "huge failures"? All three of the ones you mention are iconic. At least to me anyway.

And I know a lot about the making of Tunnel of Love. There's more behind that album than you probably know. Listen to the lyrics. Doesn't take a genius to understand why he wrote that.

Pretty sure Bruce didn't really care how many of those he sold for a few reasons. Doesn't mean he put out a clunker.

And how could any of the three follow up with what they did beforehand? Doesn't make them bad IMO.



well tusk selling over 2 million in the usa is a failure according to canadianmule because the album before it sold 20 million and you helped prove my point. no one can live up to the sales of what they did with the previous release.

Fleetwood in his book says tusk is his favorite studio album by that version of the band. a lot of fans blame Buckingham for the sales drop but of course there were the following factors too
- RKO radio chained played the entire thing before it was released

-the label was charging $2.00 more than a normal double LP cost at the time

-Buckingham purposely was trying to not make an album that sounded like rumours

-Fleetwood was the one who wanted a double album and since nicks was holding back material for her first solo album Buckingham had to contribute enough material to fill out the double album . mcvie contributed 6, nicks 5 and Buckingham 9. Fleetwood has also said when Buckingham talked about doing a solo album he asked Buckingham to just throw the songs on tusk.

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Lee - 4/13/2018 at 09:22 PM

You guys know a lot more about Fleetwood Mac than I do.

My experiences seeing any of them live are not good. Three years ago Stevie Nicks came to Chicago and I was offered a ticket. So I went. She was doing that black dress witch thing. Played her hits which was fine but kind of boring.

Shawn Colvin opened for her and she was amazingly good!

My other one was in probably 1992 or 1993, something like that. I saw Fleetwood Mac at an amphitheater outside of Detroit. They were part of one of those tours where they package two or three classic rock bands.

Fleetwood Mac was the first one and consisted of Mick Fleetwood, Dave Mason and a bunch of people I had never heard of. They played "Dear Mister Fantasy" and even as young as I was I thought it was awful.

Kind of thought it disrespected their name.


CanadianMule - 4/14/2018 at 01:45 AM

You give me giggles. As soon as I saw the title of the thread - knew where this was going. LOL

You are right!!! Please Stop!!!

Lindsey Is A God - Has The Biggest Dick In The World - And No Man Will Ever Compare

Well except for

Pre Take Over

1975 self titled 5 million
1977 rumours 20 million

Post Take Over

1979 tusk 2 million
1982 mirage 2 million
1987 tango in the night 3 million

Score 25 Million to 7 Million - you posted it and yet can't grasp it.

Now before becoming WikiMatt05 and losing your sh8t - think about what I said. Success after he took over declined. Now stop - look at those numbers before telling me I am wrong again. Score 25 to 7. No matter how you spin it, copy and paste sh*t or want it to be true - it never will be. Lindsey's reign of total control was not a success.

25 to 7 - Exactly what I said. Decline. 25 to 7 - That is why I am correct with my statement. Why you are arguing that is beyond me? Your Big Love is making you blind to my statement I guess.

He long ago stopped hoping for a successful solo career obviously. He isn't stupid. That is until his album with McVie which he thought would sell as if it was Fleetwood Mac. It was a power move and failed. Thought he didn't need Stevie to have success and found out that he indeed does and always did. That fact really pisses him off and always has.

Matt buy his albums and love him. I fully support you and your right. If you believe that the switch to Lindsey's basement was a good one for the band and people write it on a forum (like this one) then for f*cks sake it must be true. Damn history and the obvious sales numbers and multiple breakups. No reason to let any sort of reality get in the way.

God Bless Buckingham - He Is A Talented Guy - Can't Wait Until 2019 when Fleetwood Mac reunite again with that lineup. Gives him 6 months to a year to make an album that only you will hear. LOL - Thanks Matt needed a laugh. Did you ever drive a school bus?


Teasing


matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 02:13 AM

Those were not the sales numbers in 1980. Rumours had sold about 11 million worldwide in 1980 when tusk sold about 4. Its not some huge drop off.


A power play by buckingham? You must be smoking crack. They created a Fleetwood Mac album and when nicks refused to contribute they had to release it as buckingham mcvie. Sounds like a nicks power play. She also just forced him out of the band. Do you wash stevies cars or something? Shes been power playing the band for decades and forcing her will on everyone. Its clearshe picked mike to join.


Things you never comment on.

her lack of new material since 2010. Really since 2001.

The failure of behind the mask while nicks was still in the band.

The hit songs she wrote by herself since 1985.


Also you always fail to mention her 2 biggest hits from her first solo album are duets with 2 of the biggest stars in rock around that time. Maybe if buckingham did duets he would have had more fortune solo



again. I'll stand by statements made by 2 former label reps and someone who has helped with the bands tours in recent years over your statements


CanadianMule - 4/14/2018 at 03:31 AM

LOL - You keep trying to have some drawn out debate about nothing.

11- 4/25 - 7/100 - 17/ Billion to Million - same result every time. Decline. What genius is it that you claim says otherwise? LOL

No one wants new material from any of them Matt. But without Nicks, there is definitely no sales.

I do wash her car.

Matt, she sold more solo albums in a month than Buckingham has in his entire career - what genius tells you otherwise on that? LOL

Your parents deserve all the credit in the world as you could not have been easy.

"This Is WikiMatt05 on the scene. Determined to get answers 35 years in the waiting. Stevie Nicks - why the failure on an album? - why no material? - why did she sell so much more solo? - Was Her Coke Better? - These answers and more after these messages."

Why did she sell more? Ummm people liked the albums more and the material was far superior. Absolute killer session band behind her. Better voice. Better Coke Supplier. Looked better. Star Quality that no one else in the band possessed.

Maybe Buckingham should have done a duet - But a better idea would have been to avoid that terrible 80s New Wave mullet. Rock fans dropped him like a stone based on hairdo alone.

Her lack of albums since 2010? 2 albums - In Your Dreams and 24 Carat Gold. Both of them charted in the Top 10 upon release. Guess your "experts" failed to mention that? LOL - How many Buckingham albums hit the Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? LOL


WarEagleRK - 4/14/2018 at 05:48 AM

For what it's worth (and if you are counting, nothing at all) I think Fleetwood Mac were a huge failure after "Then Play On".


CanadianMule - 4/14/2018 at 10:12 AM

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For what it's worth (and if you are counting, nothing at all) I think Fleetwood Mac were a huge failure after "Then Play On".






matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 10:50 AM

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LOL - You keep trying to have some drawn out debate about nothing.

11- 4/25 - 7/100 - 17/ Billion to Million - same result every time. Decline. What genius is it that you claim says otherwise? LOL

No one wants new material from any of them Matt. But without Nicks, there is definitely no sales.

I do wash her car.

Matt, she sold more solo albums in a month than Buckingham has in his entire career - what genius tells you otherwise on that? LOL

Your parents deserve all the credit in the world as you could not have been easy.

"This Is WikiMatt05 on the scene. Determined to get answers 35 years in the waiting. Stevie Nicks - why the failure on an album? - why no material? - why did she sell so much more solo? - Was Her Coke Better? - These answers and more after these messages."

Why did she sell more? Ummm people liked the albums more and the material was far superior. Absolute killer session band behind her. Better voice. Better Coke Supplier. Looked better. Star Quality that no one else in the band possessed.

Maybe Buckingham should have done a duet - But a better idea would have been to avoid that terrible 80s New Wave mullet. Rock fans dropped him like a stone based on hairdo alone.

Her lack of albums since 2010? 2 albums - In Your Dreams and 24 Carat Gold. Both of them charted in the Top 10 upon release. Guess your "experts" failed to mention that? LOL - How many Buckingham albums hit the Top 10? Top 20? Top 30? LOL






shows you don't read. My statement doesn't say lack of albums. It says lack of new material since 2010. First it shows I counted inyyour dreams as that was 2010. I said since then. Second it says new material and 24 carat gold is not new material. Its old material that didn't make previous solo albums and its stated so by nicks. So yes she hasn't released a newly written song in almost a decade now.
Btw most of tusk was not recorded in Buckinghams house and the little bit that was has very little of the rest of the band on it. Not sure why you keep saying it was recorded there and not at studio d in the village recorder studio


CanadianMule - 4/14/2018 at 01:08 PM

Damn! I don't know what Stevie Nicks did to you but you should write a song about it.

The only time that Buckingham wrote a song that anyone cared liked - it was about her too.



It's the weekend, Matt. We can discuss how Buckingham took them to new heights after Rumours on Monday.

Don't worry - they will announce a Reunion in a few months anyway.


matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 01:36 PM

I'm actually a huge fan of nicks. I've seen her live solo but have never seen Buckingham solo or Fleetwood mac at all. they were on my bucket list but not now with Buckingham. him and Fleetwood were the reason I'd want to go as like I said I have seen nicks already.

I feel nicks though, and imo her demo's prove this, is someone who needs great producers, arrangers, etc to get the vision she has for her songs. then her blind fans, not saying you are one of those, heap praise and credit on her partly for the work others did to get the song the way it is in the released version.


that is why I feel behind the mask failed. people expected the Fleetwood mac sound and didn't hear what they thought it was going to sound like. its because Buckingham creates that sound. his solo albums have that sound. nicks solo albums don't. it appears the casual nicks fans can accept or they want her to sound different solo but the FM fans have a mindset of what they want FM album to sound like.

Buckingham for the most part is just too strange for most music fans to want to hear an entire album like that without a more accessible song by mcvie or nicks breaking it up every now and again.

Buckingham has shown he can generate a hit. all of these songs are top 40 American hits and 4 of these are top 10 hits , go your own way, tusk, oh Diane (in the uk), big love, trouble , go insane and a few songs that weren't hits that are now standards for him like Monday morning, second hand news , I'm so afraid and holiday road. it seems though people enjoy his songs but not an entire albums worth of songs like that.

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matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 02:39 PM

for those who want an actual facts only timeline break down of FM activity since 2000

-2001 nicks finishes and releases the long awaited album trouble in Shangri-La that was started in the mid 90s. 3 of the tracks were songs demo's in the 70's and 3 other songs have no nicks writing credit at all. another song has a co-writing nicks credit only for lyrics she changed. that leaves 6 new nicks originals. Buckingham appears on 1 song

-2001 Buckingham turns in his album gift of screws started in the mid 90's. reprise records wanted a new FM album and informed Buckingham that he should hold some of the material for a new FM album

-2003 FM releases say you will. the album features 9 songs by nicks and 9 by Buckingham. 7 of the Buckingham songs were originally meant for the gift of screws release.

-2006 Buckingham releases under the skin. the album includes 3 songs from the aborted gift of screws album turned in to the label in 2001. its his first album since 1992

-2008 buckingham finally releases an album titled gift of screws. it features 2 songs from the aborted gift of screws

-2011 nicks releases in your dreams. the first material shes released since 2003. Buckingham appears on 1 song

-2011 Buckingham releases seeds we sow. its his first album not released on the same label that FM is signed to.

-2013 FM release a digital only EP. the EP was originally planned as a new FM album. nicks stated she was unable to commit to a new album due to solo commitments. the EP features 3 new Buckingham tracks and 1 nicks track that is an old demo from 70's.

-2014 nicks releases a collection of solo songs that didn't make previous solo albums titled 24 karat gold

-2017 a Buckingham/mcvie album is released. the album was originally started in 2014 as the next FM album. after waiting for contributions from nicks she eventually informed the band that she would not contribute to the album. 1 song is a re-recorded digital only bonus track from buckinghams seeds we sow album. 3 more tracks are leftover from the aborted 2012 FM album attempt.

-2018 Buckingham is no longer in the band. in 2017 he announced he had an already completed solo album that was delayed to finish and release the Buckingham/mcvie release. he also stated that his label was working on a best of collection that would feature his singles, some soundtrack only tunes and maybe some unreleased stuff.




matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 02:44 PM

despite canadianmule blaming Buckingham. here is a link to mick Fleetwood blaming nicks for the groups recent hold ups for tours and albums

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/fleetwood-mac-stevie-nicks-new-album/


Christine mcvie also stating nicks was the hold up and also mentions nicks as part of a reason the mirage tour was so short

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/christine-mcvie-on-making-fleet wood-macs-mirage-new-lp-w441626


CanadianMule - 4/14/2018 at 03:36 PM

Matt
You always get in debates/arguments here and mostly because you fail to actually read what anyone says. I have seen time and again, every time you get going. You have been debating all sorts of stuff here that I haven't even touched. LOL

I had TWO points.

The Decline - it is obvious.

The Delays in Recording following Rumours and how Lindsey will sit in a studio for two years and get the same results that two months would have accomplished. That is where I blamed Lindsey and it is all documented and admitted by him.

Any other points by me - You are creating.

Those are the two and I am right with both. Sorry.

Did Nicks have a more successful solo career and that may not have worked with the time frame sometimes? Definitely. I never stated otherwise anywhere. But don't let that stop your ranting.

Were the others pissed that her solo career was successful while some of theirs' bombed? Definitely.

Were they all coked out of their minds and blew millions? Yes. Did she have more money and could afford to do more coke and spend even more than the others? Definitely. Did they all want her to work sometimes because they were poor and wanted more coke and more millions to blow? Definitely.

All this crap is in countless books, magazines and spread over the net.

After all the years of you having this same debate with so many members, I will admit to getting a good laugh when you say that you never saw the band or Lindsey.

Damn Lindsey - Go play at the guy's house.


matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 03:51 PM

unless you have info I don't no one is currently doing coke and these are comments about recent issues. Buckingham is listed as being worth over 40 million dollars and stevie nicks over 70 million. I don't know micks current worth but I don't see at their age the 30 million difference being what has caused some huge rift between stevie and lindsey. this entire thing smells of the bands management mixed with stevie forcing her hand and making the band pick between her and lindsey.

as far as tusk. sure lindsey is a perfectionist and delayed the album. mick Fleetwood also says without lindsey there might not have been an album at all and says that for mirage and tango in the night as well. if what mick says its true then the choices were either no more albums or wait for Buckingham to help create the albums. that's 1 album though that took a really long time. several albums have been delayed by nicks just not even trying or in the case of tango in the night waiting for her to finish rehab



btw you never commented on the huge sales drops by other artists. don't know why you won't by FM maintained a higher sales level for the albums after tusk then springsteen did for the albums after tunnel of love or ac/dc did for the albums after for those about to rock or prince did pretty much for the rest of his career after purple rain

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WarEagleRK - 4/14/2018 at 04:05 PM

Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

Watch out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RhZDGLEXM


matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 04:14 PM

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Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

Watch out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RhZDGLEXM



no anger here. just someone telling me what is or isn't successful doesn't make me think its artistically better or worse. mick jaggers solo albums are more successful than keiths but not even close to being better


JimSheridan - 4/14/2018 at 04:24 PM

They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.

My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.


matt05 - 4/14/2018 at 05:38 PM

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They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.

My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.


honestly I would have wanted peter frampton but Campbell has a big connection to nicks


JimSheridan - 4/14/2018 at 09:57 PM

Slash or gtfo.
The way Slash would fold the coda lick from “November Rain” into the coda lick for “The Chain” would heal Stevie’s septum.


CanadianMule - 4/15/2018 at 03:23 PM

quote:
Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

Watch out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RhZDGLEXM


Winner! Post Of The Thread. LOL - I think it went right by Matt.

Well thought out and done. Feel bad that you made such an effort on such a weak topic but Well Done.


CanadianMule - 4/15/2018 at 03:25 PM

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They could have thought more “outside the box” rather than a safe choice like Campbell.

My pick? Tony Iommi. This could have been the Black Mac tour that I have yearned for.


Buckethead - That way Stevie could just grab a piece of chicken when she needs a snack on stage.

Black Mac!!! You guys are too funny. We need video of Stevie singing Iron Man now.


Bhawk - 4/15/2018 at 04:08 PM

Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


StratDal - 4/15/2018 at 11:52 PM

When it comes to bands and drama, Fleetwood Mac will always be top 5. Always something with that band...


matt05 - 4/16/2018 at 12:58 AM

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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


CanadianMule - 4/16/2018 at 08:53 AM

40 years of Buckingham/Nicks Soap Opera - For The Love Of God someone cancel it. As soon as they announced that Buckingham/McVie were going to release an album, did anyone actually think that Stevie would be happy and that Lindsey would stick around? At this point, it doesn't matter who plays guitar in FM. It will sell the exact same regardless. The average FM ticket buyer wouldn't care/know. They have already proven that in the past. Hell there were people at ABB shows 15 years after that didn't know or care that Dickey wasn't there.

Now take away Stevie and all those 50 to 65 year old women who wanted to be Stevie and/or witches would be pissed. You could take away Fleetwood or either McVie with no effect at all from ticket sales. But No Nicks means No Fleetwood Mac Tour.


Thank God that the Gregg and Cher Soap Opera didn't last 40 years and that they only made one album together.


CanadianMule - 4/16/2018 at 09:11 AM

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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


I laughed when one guy says that they won't be able to play Oh Well anymore. Example of how many people don't have a clue.


WarEagleRK - 4/16/2018 at 12:54 PM

quote:
quote:
Guys, all this anger coming your way makes me feel like crying. My worried dream is that although the sun is shining that you should probably close your eyes and give up on this merry go round of an argument because the world keeps turning. It's probably best that you just said "Oh Well" and moved on with it because this albatross you guys are carrying will have you trying so hard to forget what your point was in the first place.

I believe my time ain't long if I keep writing this on this cold black night. I've got a mind to give up living because once I dust my broom I'll have no place to go so I won't be coming home. You got to move, so get on your long grey mare and get an appointment with Doctor Brown and maybe his talk with you will get you guys to stop messin' around.

Watch out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RhZDGLEXM


Winner! Post Of The Thread. LOL - I think it went right by Matt.

Well thought out and done. Feel bad that you made such an effort on such a weak topic but Well Done.


Thank you.

I did it more to entertain myself, a little to lighten the mood of this thread, but mostly to entertain myself with how many Green/Spencer era Mac songs I could work into a (mostly) coherent fake rant.


bird72 - 4/16/2018 at 03:23 PM

I wonder if there is some apartment, somewhere, with curtains drawn, and sitting a lonesome figure. There is music on, and wafting through the dusty air come the strains of "Sentimental Lady". This sad figure in the dark has staunchly refused to follow "Mac" since the vanguard era of Bob Welch.

Joke.... kinda.... I do have and like Bare Trees on vinyl. Heroes are Hard to Find is good, but the cover just freaks me out, still. Mac's history is a revolving door of guitarists, really.


matt05 - 4/16/2018 at 03:27 PM

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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


I laughed when one guy says that they won't be able to play Oh Well anymore. Example of how many people don't have a clue.


a thread of people mainly agreeing with me. figured you would dump on it when i posted it. "people don't have a clue". everyone knew exactly what that post meant. unless nicks allows "oh well" to be played it will not be played. it was played at the request out buckingham during the buckingham/nicks era and unless nicks ok's it then it won't be played as i doubt mike or finn have any say in the setlist


CanadianMule - 4/16/2018 at 04:05 PM

Ya gotta let it go, Matt. You have been having a debate with me that I am not part of.

You post a bunch of people talking about FM. So what? When you go to a show, those people represent 1%. Just as everyone on here knows all about the ABB, the vast majority just don't care beyond liking the songs and having a good time. I have seen and worked over a dozen FM shows and can guarantee that the fans are Upper Middle Class and higher and just want to be there and enjoy the tunes. You will never agree to it but most have no idea who the guitarist is but take Stevie away......... None of the soap opera stuff matters. The world moved on to Brad/Jen/Angelina long ago.

How do I know that people won't care? It already happened with the Burnett/Vito era and people loved the shows and could care less. What happened when Christine wasn't there? Same thing - people loved it and bought tickets.

It was during the Burnett/Vito Era that Green era tunes returned. A definite added bonus that I had missed during previous shows.

You will drive yourself insane trying to justify some R&R soap opera. Buckingham will be back in two years so no worries.

Personally I would love the band to come out and play only Green era songs while still charging the yuppy crowd $300. The puzzled look on faces would be incredible.


matt05 - 4/16/2018 at 04:12 PM

so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.

you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then


CanadianMule - 4/16/2018 at 04:23 PM

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so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.

you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then


You are either comical or delusional.

Where did I say a thing about Mike or Neil saying a thing? I never mentioned it at all.

I never said a thing about sales and artistic creations.

Commercial failure where sales drop 90% is due to one factor - The Customer telling you that they do not like your product. If your local restaurant served you a Prime Rib dinner one night and then Spam the next night at the same cost - would you be happy?

Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same.

It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off. They all know that now - even Lindsey.


CanadianMule - 4/16/2018 at 04:24 PM

Why the excess - The True Producer - Cocaine


pops42 - 4/16/2018 at 04:30 PM

They are going out on tour just to pad the retirement funds. they are all about 70 years old [Christine is 74]. not really worth arguing about.


Stephen - 4/16/2018 at 04:39 PM

A lot of what I've read recently (since Lindsey's departure) is that his & Christine's CD is quite good -- one of those curiosities I'd like to hear sometime -- Hypnotized, 1 of those tunes that stays w/ya


matt05 - 4/16/2018 at 04:56 PM

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so you really think mike and neil are going to walk in and start demanding songs be played? yes the song was played when buckingham was not there. those were different times though as it was an active band still touring yearly and making new music.

you can continue to tell me sales=great artistic creations. go buy your justin beiber albums then


You are either comical or delusional.

Where did I say a thing about Mike or Neil saying a thing? I never mentioned it at all.

I never said a thing about sales and artistic creations.

Commercial failure where sales drop 90% is due to one factor - The Customer telling you that they do not like your product. If your local restaurant served you a Prime Rib dinner one night and then Spam the next night at the same cost - would you be happy?

Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same.

It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off. They all know that now - even Lindsey.


sales did not drop 90%. you are the one on crack. rumours worldwide sales in 1981 were roughly 12 million. tusk sales in 1981 worldwide were roughly 4 million. thats not a 90% sales drop.


also a bad analogy as rumours was a single album and tusk was a double album selling for more than the standard cost of a regular double album. they were not selling different things at the same price.

finally imo no ones material on tusk is as strong as rumours. nicks has 3 good songs on tusk, mcvie 3 and buckingham 5 and out of those 11 songs i'd say only 6 are close to whats on rumours

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JimSheridan - 4/16/2018 at 04:59 PM

It's funny that you mentioned "Oh Well." I was surprised to see that song appear on the live album in 1980 from the Buckingham / Nicks line-up but also enjoyed it thoroughly; they did it right.

When I saw Tom Petty /ABB double bill some years back, Tom Petty played "Oh Well" and ripped it up. (I believe it appears on a live boxed set of his).

So, since Mike Campbell has already shown that he can do that song justice, this new Mac just may well play that song.

It could be that they will air "Stop Dragging My Heart Around " also?


bird72 - 4/16/2018 at 06:01 PM

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Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same....It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off.


It was a disaster in many ways, Lindsey went full screech singing on a few, and his material overdrenched the album, like they gave the reins to him. In a weird way I like the silly Tusk song. In his defense, it was not as strong Nicks / McVie material either.

A not better than, but suitable follow up to Rumours if a single album. Agreed.....


matt05 - 4/16/2018 at 06:48 PM

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Why did Tusk not sell as well? Took way too long, far too much filler but mostly the material was not as good. If Lindsey had spent 2 months or ten years the results would have been the same....It should have been a single album with all the excess Lindsey crap left off.


It was a disaster in many ways, Lindsey went full screech singing on a few, and his material overdrenched the album, like they gave the reins to him. In a weird way I like the silly Tusk song. In his defense, it was not as strong Nicks / McVie material either.

A not better than, but suitable follow up to Rumours if a single album. Agreed.....


and nicks actually has more total time on the album than buckinghams 9 songs. each one of stevies song is about 5 minutes or longer. they are just too long. again fleetwood told the band he wanted a double album. all buckingham could do was pretty much put everything deemed complete on the album. mcvie only had 2 songs that didn't make tusk that she offered up, nicks had 5 more, 2 were released a few years ago on 24 karat gold, 1 was released on her album wild heart, 1 of the FM album say you will and 1 is unreleased. nicks had more songs that she had set aside for her debut solo album and didn't offer them to the band. buckinham had 2 songs that didn't make the album.


jszfunk - 4/16/2018 at 09:09 PM

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Personally I would love the band to come out and play only Green era songs while still charging the yuppy crowd $300. The puzzled look on faces would be incredible.


Yeah that would be awesome! They would be like....huh...?

I remember about 18-20 yrs ago I made a doctor friend of mine at the hospital I work at a mix of Green FM tunes. They never knew of that era or those songs. I dont think they were really into being more of the fans of the Nicks Buckingham lineup . Oh well, no pun intended.

Mike Campbell could probably pull of the Greeney stuff.

I always wanted to hear Warren and Derek take on "Coming Your Way" Great Harmony guitar work from the original.
https://youtu.be/Hnn399y7g9E


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JimSheridan - 4/17/2018 at 12:56 AM

JSZ, good call on Coming Your Way. So many good harmony leads by the Mac.

Interestingly for ABB fans, Peter Green and John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers did “You Don’t Love Me” on their 1968 album A Hard Road. I have to assume the Allmans knew that version, as they are pretty close.


Bhawk - 4/17/2018 at 02:09 AM

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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


Yeah. Try a FM tour at this point without Rhiannon, Sara and Landslide. See how sales go.


Rusty - 4/17/2018 at 09:01 PM

FYI - This Neil Finn guy's a pretty good guitar player himself. He's a great vocalist and songwriter. I've never been a gigantic Fleetwood Mac fan, but I'll be interested in hearing whatever comes out of this.


Stephen - 4/17/2018 at 10:15 PM

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Fleetwood Mac can still sell plenty of tickets without Lindsey Buckingham.

Wonder how a tour with him but without Stevie Nicks would sell. Hmmmm.


well here are the thoughts of fans on the rolling stones forum

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,2532684,page=7


Yeah. Try a FM tour at this point without Rhiannon, Sara and Landslide. See how sales go.


However, if FM was to do a tour which, instead of concentrating on that era, concentrated instead on the Boston Tea Party era w/Peter Green, Danny Kirwan etc -- IMO a lot of people would be interested in that
Nick Mason is doing the same thing w/Pink Floyd, putting together a band, Saucerful of Secrets, that is playing the music of the Syd era


cmgst34 - 4/18/2018 at 01:37 AM

This thread got me jonesing. So I went back and listened to some live Peter Green Mac tonight. No matter how many times I hear it, that band never ceases to blow me away. I think partially because it’s such a quick snapshot in time. But man, they’re awesome.


cmgst34 - 4/18/2018 at 01:47 AM

My goodness. Green used SPACE so well. Bonamassa could use a bit of that. Green let it breath and you can literally feel the tension he builds. Straight outta that B.B. school.


jszfunk - 4/18/2018 at 11:31 AM

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This thread got me jonesing. So I went back and listened to some live Peter Green Mac tonight. No matter how many times I hear it, that band never ceases to blow me away. I think partially because it’s such a quick snapshot in time. But man, they’re awesome.


Agree!

Green really had it going on. Monster player. It does not get to much better than the Boston Tea Party recordings.

This is a fun one!!

Twist and Shout
https://youtu.be/77SBudKCqMM

On we Jam
https://youtu.be/SUuBcISWO24?list=RDSUuBcISWO24

Fleetwood Mac Encore Jam
https://youtu.be/iIKg6c_VqVk


I was wanted to hear Derek do a cover of the song below. Seems to fit him.

Peter Green solo
Give me Back My Freedom

https://youtu.be/e-SMWBAAt84


hotlantatim - 4/18/2018 at 12:51 PM

I saw the reunited FM back in 1997 and it was joy to see them together. They had extra musicians on stage doing what the 5 of them did back in the lat '70s....but oh well (pun intended).

Rumours, despite being run into the ground by rock radio over the decades is one of my all time favorite albums. The Fleetwood Mac album is not far behind and about half of Tusk is right up there with the previous two.

That said, what they've been doing on tour in 2015-2017 wasn't so exciting for me since it was incredibly predictable.

I am actually more interested in this tour now than I would have been otherwise. I think we stand a very good chance of hearing Oh Well and couple pre-Buckingham/Nicks tracks.....like the band used to do on the 1976 & 1977 tours very well. I'd be really like to hear Hypnotized, Why, Spare Me a Little, Station Man. They won't go too heavy that direction but I predict a couple. I'm making that calll that Campbell gets a lead vocal part on Stop Draggin My Heart Around duet.

And I suspect ticket prices will be cheaper than they would have otherwise been...


CanadianMule - 4/18/2018 at 02:19 PM

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about half of Tusk is right up there with the previous two.


Why they failed to realize that a single album was what was needed is beyond me? Well cocaine and ego.

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I'd be really like to hear Hypnotized, Why, Spare Me a Little, Station Man. They won't go too heavy that direction but I predict a couple.


I would love a couple from that era also. But agree that they won't likely go there aside from maybe one song.


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