Thread: Donna Betts gets 30 days in jail

jszfunk - 10/12/2017 at 11:34 AM

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/fl-reg-dickey-betts-wife-sentence- 20171010-story.html


pops42 - 10/12/2017 at 04:29 PM

Must have had a great lawyer.


bird72 - 10/12/2017 at 05:56 PM

Sounds reasonable. Gun not loaded and threat to society overall factored in. I'm guessing they will have little sympathy of any future infractions, so this should be a solution. People get no time for selling heroin, actually assaulting people with injuries, and other victim crimes, so this fits fairly. Aren't there enough gang issues in Florida to allocate jail beds for, as a perspective prioritization? A month should be a wake up call. I did 10 days in 73 in New Mexico and it woke me up!


pops42 - 10/12/2017 at 06:36 PM

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Sounds reasonable. Gun not loaded and threat to society overall factored in. I'm guessing they will have little sympathy of any future infractions, so this should be a solution. People get no time for selling heroin, actually assaulting people with injuries, and other victim crimes, so this fits fairly. Aren't there enough gang issues in Florida to allocate jail beds for, as a perspective prioritization? A month should be a wake up call. I did 10 days in 73 in New Mexico and it woke me up!
She was originally charged with 18 counts of felony attempted aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. she got off easy.


Marley - 10/12/2017 at 07:31 PM

I don't know what an appropriate sentence looks like, but I hope they stop doing this stuff. However good or bad the zoning decisions are, I feel terrible for the people who are having their days or their weddings ruined because the Bettses are angry with the zoning board or land use people or whoever exactly they think did them wrong.


emr - 10/12/2017 at 08:05 PM

Re: the Betts' it is often said opposites attract. Seems these two, however, are cut from the same mold. Must be a fun house on a weekend evening if/when those two get to arguing. Just saying!!!


Fretsman - 10/12/2017 at 08:07 PM

They're both sweethearts. Light(en) up.


emr - 10/13/2017 at 12:53 AM

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They're both sweethearts. Light(en) up.


KK. We'll rent a canoe and go visit!!!!


CanadianMule - 10/13/2017 at 03:50 AM

I am fairly certain that we all have a tale or two about doing something stupid. I know I do.

As far as the Betts disturbing a wedding, I guess we should then disregard a couple of hundred kids moving in daily next door.

Property value - greatly affected
Privacy - gone
Peace and quiet of retirement home - gone
Effect on well being/health - fairly large I'm sure

Pretty sure every single person here would be pretty wrapped up in it.

Did she act in any sane manner that day? Obviously not. We have no idea on the full story or taunting going on. Pretty hard to be judge and jury.

Jail seems drastic to me but she broke the law which is the risk she took. Don't see bashing on her or taking delight in her sentence as something she deserves.

30 days away from the kids might be a holiday.


jszfunk - 10/13/2017 at 11:38 AM

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I am fairly certain that we all have a tale or two about doing something stupid. I know I do.

As far as the Betts disturbing a wedding, I guess we should then disregard a couple of hundred kids moving in daily next door.

Property value - greatly affected
Privacy - gone
Peace and quiet of retirement home - gone
Effect on well being/health - fairly large I'm sure

Pretty sure every single person here would be pretty wrapped up in it.

Did she act in any sane manner that day? Obviously not. We have no idea on the full story or taunting going on. Pretty hard to be judge and jury.

Jail seems drastic to me but she broke the law which is the risk she took. Don't see bashing on her or taking delight in her sentence as something she deserves.

30 days away from the kids might be a holiday.



Good call


gina - 10/14/2017 at 06:55 PM

If she's allowed to have music in there while doing her time, somebody should get her Humble Pie's 30 days in the Hole. She'll go in to jail as a soft spoken wife, and come out as a kick ass singer!


blackey - 10/14/2017 at 10:38 PM

Gina Dickey's "I Got To Change My Way of Living" would be another for her to listen to. Dickey wrote that song sometime around the time Donna called the police on Dickey at a hotel while the band was on the road and Dickey shoved the police officer and ended up in jail and the band left him behind. I remember how angry Butch was about it. They had to get other guitar players to fill in. Dickey checked into rehab in Florida and admitted he had been on a two year drunk which was a lot of fun for him but not for the band and those around him and he wrote the song about then. But as with Gregg, the rehab didn't fix it. He went on the punch Butch in the nose for mouthing off to his face, something Duane himself wouldn't dare do to Dickey and pulled a knife on Allen Woody. I use to think it would have been wild if Ronnie Van Zant and Dickey would have been in the same band. A great bunch of songs being written but the singer and guitar player would be on stage with black eyes all the time. Ronnie was quick to brawl too. He went into the cockpit of their tragic flight when the two drunks they had for pilots forgot to fuel up and they ran out and crashed. Ronnie told them if they let the plane crash and they survived he was going to beat them bad. They said all they needed to do was run some gas over from the reserve tank but it was empty too. Sadly all three men were killed.


Yes Dickey must have put a good lawyer on the case. Dickey has deep pockets. He made more money than any of the Allman Brothers so he can afford it. And Dickey's sound and song writing was a huge part of the Allman Brothers success. So he deserved to have made a lot of money. I hope he and his wife find peace and happiness in their autumn years.


LeafontheWind - 10/14/2017 at 11:08 PM

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I am fairly certain that we all have a tale or two about doing something stupid. I know I do.

As far as the Betts disturbing a wedding, I guess we should then disregard a couple of hundred kids moving in daily next door.

Property value - greatly affected
Privacy - gone
Peace and quiet of retirement home - gone
Effect on well being/health - fairly large I'm sure

Pretty sure every single person here would be pretty wrapped up in it.

Did she act in any sane manner that day? Obviously not. We have no idea on the full story or taunting going on. Pretty hard to be judge and jury.

Jail seems drastic to me but she broke the law which is the risk she took. Don't see bashing on her or taking delight in her sentence as something she deserves.

30 days away from the kids might be a holiday.


Wow it's fun to speculate, but in America we have a justice system and Donna Betts has been sentenced to jail. She's guilty based on the preponderance of evidence, that's how we do it. There's no reason to make up alternate theories from way over yonder at this point.

If you MUST speculate as an internet sport, considering that the Betts' are white, rich, and famous, if anything she probably deserved MORE jail time not less.

Oh but just my opinion.


Charlesinator - 10/14/2017 at 11:44 PM

Wow Leafonthewind what a profound post. And your first one no less. One thing for certain Mr. nor Mrs. Betts are chickensh*t like yourself. That ainít an opinion.


CanadianMule - 10/15/2017 at 01:42 AM

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Wow Leafonthewind what a profound post. And your first one no less. One thing for certain Mr. nor Mrs. Betts are chickensh*t like yourself. That ainít an opinion.


LOL but you may be speculating.

Doesn't make much sense. No speculating was going on anyway. Only opinion. Jail should be for hardened criminals and not moments of drunken stupidity. But again as I said, break the jail and run the risk. Give her more time? LOL - LIFE!!!!! I'm sure that will accomplish plenty.

Now Gina is cracking jokes and a multiple personality member mad.

When Gina makes you look like the crazy one then maybe keep it to one post.


StratDal - 10/15/2017 at 03:32 AM

"I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a ddress=105x3724635


mikedc3 - 10/15/2017 at 04:17 AM

According to Ron Eckerman Ronnie Van Zant knocked Dickey out in a bar in 1977. The pilot story posted above never happened.


bird72 - 10/15/2017 at 03:06 PM

To appease the other side of the OpinionMeter:

Donna Betts must be Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really..

LUCKY... I mean REALLY LUCKY

She only got a measly, stinkin', lousy, inadequate, substandard, must be cause she's somebody, must have paid a lot to an attorney, certainly doesn't deserve it!, karma still will come, she should have a thousand rowers a day for this, crummy, tiny, miniscule, sub atomic particle size TRAVESTY of a so called jail sentence!

I mean really! REALLY!!!! Huff Huff Huff Snort Smart Dance! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee


LeafontheWind - 10/15/2017 at 03:59 PM

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Wow Leafonthewind what a profound post. And your first one no less. One thing for certain Mr. nor Mrs. Betts are chickensh*t like yourself. That ainít an opinion.

Hey man I've been posting on the d.Betts GB for a hundred years so why dontcha head on over there and make your first post and we'll give you a proper welcome. peace


pops42 - 10/15/2017 at 04:55 PM

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According to Ron Eckerman Ronnie Van Zant knocked Dickey out in a bar in 1977. The pilot story posted above never happened.
What the late Ron Eckerman actually claimed was: Ronnie knocked Dickey out of his chair backstage at an L.S. show [I have my doubts it actually happened]. I Don't agree on the pilot story, by all accounts Ronnie was asleep when the plane crash occurred.



[Edited on 10/17/2017 by pops42]


BrerRabbit - 10/15/2017 at 06:02 PM

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Hey man I've been posting on the d.Betts GB for a hundred years


What, did you.get shunned from there for your anti-Betts attitude?


blackey - 10/15/2017 at 06:05 PM

In the immediate wake of the plane crash several press reports said Ronnie went into the cockpit and confronted the pilots. Later Billy Powell said he went to the cockpit to see what was wrong. Artymus Pyle also reported he went up. Their stories don't completely agree. It was said Ronnie was asleep on the floor when it became clear the plane was in trouble. And Ronnie was awake and was very pissed. So it's probably doubtful Ronnie went to the cockpit. But a couple of accounts indicated Ronnie didn't get a seat belt on and when the plane went in, the cockpit twisted and the top of the plane split open and Ronnie was thrown violently from the plane and into a tree killing him instantly.

Supposedly Dickey was the only member of the Allman Brothers to attend Ronnie's funeral.

I don't know if I believe Ronnie knocked Dickey out of his chair. He absolutely did not knock out Dickey in a bar. Dickey would have killed him. Maybe not that day but Betts would have knocked on Ronnie's door with a gun or knife plus Dickey is karate. Dickey did do a tour with Great Southern in 1977 with s huge black eye but it was a fight within Dickey's band with the keyboard player, bass player and one of the drummer being fired. If you check the lineup of the debut Dickey and Great Southern album and Atlanta's Burning Down, you see three of the musicians had been replaced.

My guess Ronnie and Dickey respected each other. If there had been a significant fight between Dickey and Ronnie, it would have made the news and Rolling Stone. Dickey knocked out a man back stage at an ABB show in 1990. I think it was in Washington DC and Bob Dylan was there but it made the news. I remember reading the story.


pops42 - 10/15/2017 at 06:06 PM

quote:
To appease the other side of the OpinionMeter:

Donna Betts must be Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really.. Really..

LUCKY... I mean REALLY LUCKY

She only got a measly, stinkin', lousy, inadequate, substandard, must be cause she's somebody, must have paid a lot to an attorney, certainly doesn't deserve it!, karma still will come, she should have a thousand rowers a day for this, crummy, tiny, miniscule, sub atomic particle size TRAVESTY of a so called jail sentence!

I mean really! REALLY!!!! Huff Huff Huff Snort Smart Dance! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
Act like a 4 year old when somebody disagrees with you!.


LeafontheWind - 10/15/2017 at 06:27 PM

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quote:
Hey man I've been posting on the d.Betts GB for a hundred years


What, did you.get shunned from there for your anti-Betts attitude?

I guess the judge is anti Betts too?

I am def anti getting drunk and threatening ppl with firearms. Doesn't help us pro 2nd amendment folks out one bit when something like this goes down. Dickey and Donna let me down on this one, sorry. If you own firearms you need to be responsible with them.

Music ain't a team sport where I came from.


BrerRabbit - 10/15/2017 at 06:33 PM


Calling for a tougher sentence strikes me as being on the "anti" side of the courtroom.


LeafontheWind - 10/15/2017 at 06:39 PM

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Calling for a tougher sentence strikes me as being on the "anti" side of the courtroom.

I of course didn't but

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She was originally charged with 18 counts of felony attempted aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. she got off easy.

Yes I should say so

If you think 30 days is harsh well I have something to say about that. Lol


BrerRabbit - 10/15/2017 at 06:51 PM

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if anything she probably deserved MORE jail time not less.


If I was up on charges and someone said this I would consider them opposition.

How is your stance on this being taken on the red site? Kinda looks like you showed up here just special for this one.


LeafontheWind - 10/15/2017 at 07:05 PM

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quote:
if anything she probably deserved MORE jail time not less.


If I was up on charges and someone said this I would consider them opposition.

How is your stance on this being taken on the red site? Kinda looks like you showed up here just special for this one.

Kinda looks like you cut the first 2/3 of my sentence off to fit your narrative.

I'm not here to speculate I respect the judge's decision. No more no less.

If saying she got off easy makes me the opposition then so be it. I wasnt the first to say it. Sorry

[Edited on 10/15/2017 by LeafontheWind]


BrerRabbit - 10/15/2017 at 09:00 PM

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If you MUST speculate as an internet sport, considering that the Betts' are white, rich, and famous, if anything she probably deserved MORE jail time not less.


Feel better? Still looks like trashtalking Donna Betts.

Would you express your opinion on this to her or Dickey in person?


LeafontheWind - 10/15/2017 at 09:16 PM

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quote:
If you MUST speculate as an internet sport, considering that the Betts' are white, rich, and famous, if anything she probably deserved MORE jail time not less.


Feel better? Still looks like trashtalking Donna Betts.

Would you express your opinion on this to her or Dickey in person?

OMG DICKEY BETTS GONNA BE HERE!!!!!!??!!

LOL nice chatting with u bro

[Edited on 10/15/2017 by LeafontheWind]


BrerRabbit - 10/16/2017 at 12:27 AM

I can see why you defected from the red site - just checked, the discussion forums died out quite a while ago. Welcome. This site seems to be breathing its last as well.

Donna Betts Shmonna Shmetts.


[Edited on 10/16/2017 by BrerRabbit]


Marley - 10/16/2017 at 04:42 PM

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Would you express your opinion on this to her or Dickey in person?

I don't know if this is intended to read like one of those "Oh yeah? Would you say it to his face??" posts, and forgive my misinterpretation if it's not, but... can we be honest about this? We all know Dickey has been charged at least twice with domestic violence against her. It's been hanging over this whole discussion and I didn't want to bring it up either, but there comes a point where it's just ignoring reality. For that matter he ALSO reportedly threatened some rowers with guns - he just had the sense not to point the gun at anyone like she did. Not to mention the knife incident in "One Way Out."

It would probably be a very bad idea to bring this up with either of them for exactly that reason, but that doesn't make it any less true. And the point of the above is not gossip or judgment; hopefully he's gotten help, and if that's so and they've chosen to stay together, it's their business. But we ought to be honest about what we're talking about, both in talking about him and in talking about what she was just sentenced to jail for.


BrerRabbit - 10/16/2017 at 05:04 PM

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it's their business


exactly.


Marley - 10/16/2017 at 05:13 PM

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quote:
it's their business


exactly.

Since you didn't quote even a full sentence, I'm not sure you're interpreting that line the way it was written.


BrerRabbit - 10/16/2017 at 05:15 PM

Moved on . Honestly couldn't care less . Hope the Betts are doing ok. nuf said. Peace.


OriginalGoober - 10/16/2017 at 11:09 PM


5 years probation, mandatory pop quiz drug tests, community service, and 30 days in the clink as well. The sentence sounds fair to me regarding the real issue was triggered by drug or alcohol related reasons.


gina - 10/16/2017 at 11:36 PM

Goob, the real issue is not having the coping and decision making skills that the situation required. Ten people may be faced with the same situation, yet the choices and decisions each makes in regard to the situation can be very different. Her actions at the time of the incident indicate she just did not know what else to do to make them stop. The aggravation went on for a long time, till it led up to a Clint Eastwood type moment (Grand Torino - 'get off my lawn'). I saw some of the videos of the rowers, and I don't know how anyone could deal with that constantly in their back yard, it wasn't just a few kids and their teacher. The situation reached the point that there was no harmony anymore; so what are the options? The most rational one is if that group is not going to change how often they hold classes, how many people there are there, or do something about the noise from the weddings, then the question becomes, do you want to keep living near people who are totally disrupting peace in your lives and if the answer is No, then you got to move on.

Can't get hung up on 'it shouldn't be that way' or 'why do they have to keep doing this sht', it don't matter why, the reality is they will continue as long as they have the property there to do it, and the student base. Do you want that in your life? Things change, when a place becomes unbearable, you got to move on to someplace else. That is the best thing to do to have peace in your life and peace is priceless. Your peace and your health are the most important things. Money comes and goes, but your peace and your health you can take someplace else and be happy.

You just got to take the change, make the choice.

I hope they find find peace, trying to block out the crap by drinking is only just putting a band aid on the wound, it doesn't fix the problem. They love where they live, but they have no peace there, if peace cannot be re-established there, then they have no choice, they got to move on or watch their lives go to hell.


pops42 - 10/17/2017 at 12:20 AM

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5 years probation, mandatory pop quiz drug tests, community service, and 30 days in the clink as well. The sentence sounds fair to me regarding the real issue was triggered by drug or alcohol related reasons.
Lots of people are doing long stints in prison triggered by drug and alcohol fueled reasons.


mikedc3 - 10/17/2017 at 01:52 AM

quote:
quote:
According to Ron Eckerman Ronnie Van Zant knocked Dickey out in a bar in 1977. The pilot story posted above never happened.
What the late Ron Eckerman actually claimed was: Ronnie knocked Dickey out of his chair backstage at an L.S. show [I have my doubts it actually happened]. I agree on the pilot story, by all accounts Ronnie was asleep when the plane crash occurred.

[Edited on 10/15/2017 by pops42]


I thought it was in a hotel bar after a show. Anyway from memory RVZ, one punch Dickey was out. Later Eckermans GF was staying in the room where Ronnie had stayed earlier, and got a knock on the door from a big black guy who kept saying Dickey sent me. Dickey is mentioned several times in that book, including a peace offering to Ronnie via a vial of coke. Dickey told Eckerman to give it to RVZ to do a bump, RVZ did the entire thing and had Eckerman hand it back empty and to tell him thanks. Maybe I'm mixing these stories together?? Either way...


WaitinForRain - 10/17/2017 at 04:19 AM

No one was threatening her. Only point a gun when you aim to use it. (pun intended). She got off lucky.
If she had been black she'd be doing 30 years.

And on that note, (cues Humble Pie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws


CanadianMule - 10/17/2017 at 12:08 PM

So the thread is about Donna and her jail time and some people feel the need to bash at Dickey once again. Bringing up decades old domestic dispute charges as if they have any bearing on the topic at all.

Those charges have been "hanging over the whole discussion"? For who? How are 30 year old domestic dispute issues between a couple relevant at all? Enlighten us.

Dickey is not charged with anything and his actions of the past are to blame? They seem to have been married for a very long time but I'm sure that you know more about Dickey and Donna's relationship than anyone. Seems like they have a pretty solid relationship to me. Perhaps rocky at times but that is hardly rare.

We could praise Gregg for his 20th wife and some kids that he tried with all of his might to exclude from his life and literature about him. Read the last few pages and think of what is missing. Sad and pathetic but it's all good, right? Just curious if that topic has been "hanging over this discussion"?

Neither Dickey's nor Gregg's past actions have a thing to do with Donna's jail sentence so using your logic they both must be vital to the discussion.

Just another Dickey bash. I guess you should get them in while you can. Not sure what he ever did to some of you for such hatred.

Shame as he is a great guy and it has always seemed like anyone here who knows him says the same. All the "experts" obviously know more.

Class act as always.


LeafontheWind - 10/17/2017 at 12:49 PM

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No one was threatening her. Only point a gun when you aim to use it. (pun intended). She got off lucky.
If she had been black she'd be doing 30 years.

And on that note, (cues Humble Pie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws


Yup.

quote:
How are 30 year old domestic dispute issues between a couple relevant at all? Enlighten us.

I know right, what bearing does a long history of alcohol-induced criminal activity have to do with any of this????!!

Oh wait.

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Seems like they have a pretty solid relationship to me.

Because beating crap out of your old lady is the cornerstone of any good marriage.

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Class act as always.

Especially the paragraph about Gregg. You are clear for the high road!

[Edited on 10/17/2017 by LeafontheWind]


CanadianMule - 10/17/2017 at 01:11 PM

LOL- so the cowardly troll with a different user name reappears. We were almost troll free for a bit.

So you were there on the nights of those incidents and know exactly what happened such as "beating the crap" out of her? Thought so.

Dickey's actions have no bearing on any of this but don't let that stop you from further illogical bashing. Oh I forget you are a Dickey lover from his forum. How could we have missed that?

I never claimed any high road so I am always clear. Just thought if Marley and alter ego users like yourself would like to create imaginary accounts about what may have happen LONG ago in Dickey's life, well we may as well also throw out ACTUAL facts about Gregg.

Just as relevant. Meaning not at all.

So how many other user names do you hide behind? F'N Computer cowards - is there anything more pathetic?




LeafontheWind - 10/17/2017 at 01:33 PM

My name is Robert, I live in the Sarasota area with the Betts' and BO Jr. As a matter of fact I hung out with BO just 2 weeks ago at Sarasota Sky Bar for his regular blues thing there. Pedro Aravelo was in attendance as well. I'm fortunate to live in the SRQ area with access to all this great music on a regular basis.

Considering EVERYONE here is using a screen name, hopefully this conversation can move beyond name-calling and the perverse obsession with my identity now.


Agerst1574 - 10/17/2017 at 02:05 PM

I have a house in Florida so I am a little familiar with the gun laws. Florida has strict gun laws when it comes to pointing a gun at someone. She got off light as she could have gone to jail for a much longer period of time. Pretty fair to say she had an excellent lawyer and the legal bills probably ran in the high five figures. Had she not had the money for that type of lawyer, she would have had to serve a much longer sentence.


RobJohnson - 10/18/2017 at 12:07 AM

CanadianMule, if you can't see a "pattern of behavior" with the Betts as it relates to this incident, then you are just being bullheaded. OF COURSE the fact that Dickey and Donna have a volatile and violent past is "relevant" to this story.

Come on now, man. This isn't "Why is everybody being so mean to Dickey and Donna?" If your last name is Betts and you get arrested for pulling a gun on somebody, this what you are going to get. Don't like it? I got an idea. How about not pulling guns on people?

I'm a Falcons fan. When they blew a lead against the Dolphins last week, and people brought up the Superbowl, I wasn't all outraged about "Why are they bringing that up?" OF COURSE they were going to bring it up, because it naturally made people think "Oh, remember when this same kind of thing happened to these same people?"

In may be lazy analysis in both cases, but don't pretend that it's totally out of left field and has no place in the conversation.


WaitinForRain - 10/18/2017 at 01:26 AM

Bessie didn't like her 30 days

https://youtu.be/Ds18uj-3sKc

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Lotta people handle difficult situations without pointing guns at
others. I don't feel sorry for her.


CanadianMule - 10/18/2017 at 05:58 AM

Rob

I don't contend that the obvious history of alcohol related Dickey stories will be brought up. Without the Dickey connection, neither us nor the media would be discussing this as Donna would not draw our attention.

But a domestic dispute in 93 is hardly relevant.

Besides I guess we should all just disregard the fact that Dickey didn't do it, or was he charged and he isn't going to jail.

Thank God I don't get judged on every stupid thing that I did 40 years ago. You guys?


CanadianMule - 10/18/2017 at 06:15 AM

I don't feel sorry for her or excuse her actions. Guns are never a solution in a civil world.

But we have owned property in Florida for 50 years now and I have seen many far more deserving of that jail cell.

But as I originally said - she took the risk with her stupid actions.

The circumstances are far beyond what any here have likely ever dealt with. You might not pull a gun in a drunken moment. Or maybe you would? I hope not. Easy to judge.

I don't see that taking joy or wishing ill upon her or especially Dickey accomplishes much besides negativity.

As for the situation at home, I feel for both Dickey and Donna. How many here have had a day camp with hundreds of kids move next door? Wedding bashes on weekends? This happens to you at the dream retirement property you invested in and now stand to lose millions?

I don't think many here have gone through that. I sure haven't and I guarantee that I did something stupid in 1993.

Hell I did in 2017 when I posted on this thread.


joyful_noise - 10/18/2017 at 10:35 AM

Maybe she will find sobriety in her 30 days and maybe a new lease on life.


The twelve steps (by Russell Brand)

1. Are you **** ed?

2. Could you not be **** ed?

3. Are you, on your own, going to "unfuck" yourself?

4. Write down all the things that are **** ing you up or have ever **** ed you up and donít lie, or leave anything out.

5. Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how **** ed you are.

6. Well thatís revealed a lot of **** ed up patterns. Do you want to stop it? Seriously?

7. Are you willing to live in a new way thatís not all about you and your previous, **** ed up stuff? You have to.

8. Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your being so **** ed up.

9. Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.

10. Watch out for **** ed up thinking and behaviour and be honest when it happens.

11. Stay connected to your new perspective.

12. Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if you can.


gina - 10/18/2017 at 11:16 PM

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Maybe she will find sobriety in her 30 days and maybe a new lease on life.


The twelve steps (by Russell Brand)

1. Are you **** ed?

2. Could you not be **** ed?

3. Are you, on your own, going to "unfuck" yourself?

4. Write down all the things that are **** ing you up or have ever **** ed you up and donít lie, or leave anything out.

5. Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how **** ed you are.

6. Well thatís revealed a lot of **** ed up patterns. Do you want to stop it? Seriously?

7. Are you willing to live in a new way thatís not all about you and your previous, **** ed up stuff? You have to.

8. Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your being so **** ed up.

9. Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.

10. Watch out for **** ed up thinking and behaviour and be honest when it happens.

11. Stay connected to your new perspective.

12. Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if you can.


For anyone who wants to fix their lives and or distorted reactions to stuff, Albert Ellis, Rational Emotive Thinking can help those people do it. It can help you see where your thinking/beliefs are distorted, once you fix those, life gets easier, less stressful. Become self-actualized, and if you don't now what that means, find out and improve your life.


BrerRabbit - 10/19/2017 at 01:37 AM

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For anyone who wants to fix their lives and or distorted reactions to stuff, Albert Ellis, Rational Emotive Thinking can help those people do it. It can help you see where your thinking/beliefs are distorted, once you fix those, life gets easier, less stressful.


Interesting, strange that a person like yourself, who is obsessed with God and religion, would recommend Ellis who is a stone rationalist atheist, a cornerstone of his philosophy being that religion is comparable to mental disorder.

The opening sentence of his essay "THE CASE AGAINST RELIGIOSITY" pretty much sums up his view:

"This article will try to make a succinct and cogent case for the proposition that unbelief, skepticism, and thoroughgoing Atheism not only abet but are practically synonymous with mental health; and that devout belief, dogmatism, and religiousity distinctly contribute to and in some ways are equal to mental or emotional disturbance."

You are a very conflicted personality.


joyful_noise - 10/19/2017 at 10:08 AM

I guess I don't understand why people have to be put into a "box". You can take away what you want and leave the rest. Just because you may not entirely believe everything someone says doesn't mean that you can't agree with them on other things.

Really, we should all be looking for common ground, not our differences. It shows maturity when you can do that.


bird72 - 10/19/2017 at 01:17 PM

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I guess I don't understand why people have to be put into a "box". You can take away what you want and leave the rest. Just because you may not entirely believe everything someone says doesn't mean that you can't agree with them on other things.

Really, we should all be looking for common ground, not our differences. It shows maturity when you can do that.


I applaud this post.

Nail on head. Head on nail,

A problem is people buying into pre-laid out schools of thought. Valid ideas exist in both Liberal and Conservative philosophies. Buying into company line politics eliminates one from free thinking. This is one of the reasons I don't discuss politics typically. I am such a mix of conservative, middle of the road, and liberal opinions that no preset ideologist ever agrees with me, or me them. Once people put labels on themselves, they are doomed IMO. Think for oneself, it works.

As for thread topic, I hope regardless of perceived severity, she sees this as a later in life teaching and the future holds more sane choices. Yes, she is lucky, and one should spin luck wisely.


BrerRabbit - 10/20/2017 at 12:14 AM

Just talkin bout Shaft . . .


BIGV - 10/20/2017 at 09:57 AM

More Gun laws! More tests! More screenings!

LOL.....

Ask yourself this question..."would I ever threaten anyone with a gun"?

How did you get this gun? Were you moments away from actually pulling the trigger? Isn't this type of behavior the core of the problem? I guess we should reward her for her "willpower"....lol. If we went after this kind of crime like we pursue drug users, jails would be full with people showing this type of propensity towards gun violence.

30 days is getting off easy.


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