Thread: Allman/Betts World Tour

WarEagleRK - 9/13/2017 at 03:02 PM

Posted on Facebook by Devon Allman today...

ALLMAN / BETTS WOLRD TOUR 2018! To kick it off we're going to have a very special comeback show...where else? At the Fillmore in San Francisco, DA's new 6 piece band THE DEVON ALLMAN PROJECT will debut along with Duane Betts & our friends Jimmy Hall, Luther & Cody Dickinson, Bobby Whitlock & CoCo Carmel, Samantha Fish, Peter Levin and more! Don't miss this very special show and we'll see y'all on tour next year! Team DA


redhouse1969 - 9/13/2017 at 03:23 PM

keeping the circle unbroken


Joe_the_Lurker - 9/13/2017 at 05:54 PM

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


nebish - 9/14/2017 at 09:26 PM

Wow, hope they come near me!


hotlantatim - 9/15/2017 at 04:48 PM

It looks like Duane Betts billed as a solo act is the opener on this tour for Devon's new band the Devon Allman Project.


Joe_the_Lurker - 9/15/2017 at 05:13 PM

Devon's FB page clarifies and says that the first show at the Fillmore will have Duane as a special guest and then the full tour will have Duane's band, Devon's band, then a throwback encore set with both of them.


hotlantatim - 9/15/2017 at 05:19 PM

I'm in if it hits Atlanta.


Delawhere - 9/15/2017 at 07:17 PM

"... Then the full tour will have Duane's band, then Devon's band, then a throwback encore with both of them."

Interesting ... This is exactly what their fathers did in the late 1980s before the ABB reformed with Warren, Allen and Johnny. Dickey's band would open and play his songs (Blue Sky, Ramblin' Man, etc.) for an hour, then Gregg's band would play his stuff (Midnight Rider, Melissa, etc.) four an hour, then they'd come out together for an hour and play ABB stuff (Statesboro Blues, One Way Out, etc.) These shows were mostly at smaller clubs and they're some of my favorite ABB moments.

Also, I assume "a throwback encore with both of them" will include lots of ABB stuff. Can't wait to read the reviews and I'll definitely see them if they're anywhere near The First State (also known as "The Home of Tax-Free Shopping").


fender31 - 9/16/2017 at 11:03 AM

Would love to catch a show, would be great if Duane could get Dickey and Jaimoe to make an appearance together.


JimSheridan - 9/18/2017 at 04:54 PM

So, is that list of additional names - "our friends Jimmy Hall, Luther & Cody Dickinson, Bobby Whitlock & CoCo Carmel, Samantha Fish, Peter Levin and more!" - people who will specifically be at that Fillmore show, but not necessarily the tour?

The name Bobby Whitlock certainly caught my eye. It would be great to hear him tear it up on some Derek & Dominoes material.


WarEagleRK - 9/18/2017 at 05:26 PM

From the way it is worded, that list of names are only at the Fillmore show.


DeadMallard - 9/18/2017 at 09:49 PM

Sounds great but I wish Bobby Dicklock was off the bill.


tcatanesi - 9/18/2017 at 10:29 PM

Just got my two tickets!

Looking forward to upcoming shows:

11/10 Jackie Greene's Birthday Bash
11/17 TTB
12/8 Devon Allman Project

Nice holiday season in the Bay Area!


tcatanesi - 9/19/2017 at 01:21 PM

Oops, 11/11 Jackie Greene Birthday Bash


jparadise - 9/19/2017 at 04:21 PM

quote:
Sounds great but I wish Bobby Dicklock was off the bill.


Okay, I'll bite........you're gonna have to explain this one. This sounds like somthing my 10 year old nephew would say in the dugout with his friends and then they'd all fall down laughing.

[Edited on 9/19/2017 by jparadise]


tedray - 9/19/2017 at 07:43 PM

quote:
"... Then the full tour will have Duane's band, then Devon's band, then a throwback encore with both of them."

Interesting ... This is exactly what their fathers did in the late 1980s before the ABB reformed with Warren, Allen and Johnny. Dickey's band would open and play his songs (Blue Sky, Ramblin' Man, etc.) for an hour, then Gregg's band would play his stuff (Midnight Rider, Melissa, etc.) four an hour, then they'd come out together for an hour and play ABB stuff (Statesboro Blues, One Way Out, etc.) These shows were mostly at smaller clubs and they're some of my favorite ABB moments.

Also, I assume "a throwback encore with both of them" will include lots of ABB stuff. Can't wait to read the reviews and I'll definitely see them if they're anywhere near The First State (also known as "The Home of Tax-Free Shopping").


Saw that tour in Cincinnati, a club called Bogart's on UC campus, in '86. Great show. You got a big chunk of ABB music, and their solo stuff too. Looks like this will be a nice throwback to that.


jcb - 9/20/2017 at 04:51 AM

I remember those shows very well. Managed to get arrested up in Hampton beach before one. Got out in in time to see Gregg & the encore jam.


KCJimmy - 9/20/2017 at 01:08 PM

quote:
quote:
Sounds great but I wish Bobby Dicklock was off the bill.


Okay, I'll bite........you're gonna have to explain this one. This sounds like somthing my 10 year old nephew would say in the dugout with his friends and then they'd all fall down laughing.

[Edited on 9/19/2017 by jparadise]
I'm guessing he is not a fan of Bobby Whitlock and would prefer that Bobby not be included on the billing.


WarEagleRK - 9/20/2017 at 01:49 PM

I can see why some aren't a fan of Whitlock. He has taken shots trying to diminish Duane's involvement in Derek & The Dominoes over the years. I don't know if he has mellowed out now, but years back he seemed bitter that Duane's legacy in that band overshadowed his.


peteymann54 - 9/22/2017 at 01:41 AM

I just saw Bobby Whitlock and CoCo Carmel last night and it was a fabulous, moving show. They were joined by an electric guitarist whose fills were just right. Bobby told wonderful stories about the recording of Layla, living and playing with Eric and writing songs with him. ( did you know Thorn Tree in the Garden was about his dog?) He played guitar and piano. Co Co was great, too, on vocals, guitar, and sax. I hoped he would mention Duane in his stories but he was kind of silent on him. An incredible evening nonetheless.


DeadMallard - 9/22/2017 at 04:02 AM

He's spent the last 40 plus years jealous of the attention both Duane & Tom Dowd have gotten for their contributions to the Layla album. Some of the things he's said about Dowd have been really beyond the pale. He's an insecure little mutt. There is a reason I'm sure that Clapton has had very little to do with him musically. Just listen to Dowd's documentary and the things Clapton says about Tom Dowd. In turn, Dowd refers to Duane & Eric as his "principals" while commenting that they are playing notes not found on the guitar etc.... The Layla album is a classic and everyone deserves recognition for it but the three big dogs in that room were Tom Dowd, Eric Clapton and his collaborator, Duane Allman.


DeadMallard - 9/22/2017 at 04:04 AM

Here is a small sample. You can find much worse if you're in the mood to research it.

http://www.whereseric.com/eric-clapton-news/303-layla%E2%80%99s-40th-where% E2%80%99s-eric-interview-bobby-whitlock



Listening to audience recordings from the UK tour, the four of you were so locked into each other. The music was incredibly organic and the band was more than ready for the studio. What did Duane bring to the table? I’m stepping on pretty mythic stuff even asking this. Do you think he was really needed to take the Dominos to the next level?

We were already at that next level. What Duane did was give us a little more structure. He was from a structured situation band-wise. Pretty much everything in the Allman Brothers Band was and still is structured. We were a sophisticated rock 'n' roll band without limitations. But when Duane came to our sessions he brought the same leadership quality that Eric had. The two of them together was more than magical. It was mystical. They were on the same plane at the same level of understanding. They jelled as one fluid entity. The creative principle was at work at all times throughout the whole recording process.

In your recent Facebook interview with Roch Parisien you said, “Duane never ventured outside of the box. Eric never ventured into it.” Can you elaborate on that?

Certainly. Eric played entirely free form and out of the box. He was not structured in the sense of everything always being the same every time. It was constantly changing. Just like the drawbars on my B3. Always changing to suit the need of the moment. All of us moved together, kind of like a flock of birds in the sky. We would all go the same direction at the same time. The left hand always inherently knew what the right hand was doing. We listened to each other. We were all in tune with each other's sensibilities and trusted one another musically explicitly.

When Duane was with us in the studio everything was structured. It worked in the studio but it didn't translate on the live stage. Duane simply couldn't keep up when Eric took off flying. His playing was the same as he had played with his band. The same licks and approaches that he used on other songs. I believe it was "Nobody Knows You When You're Down And Out" that he had done previously with his band when they were the Allman Joys. He played the exact same licks on our record as he played on his several years before with the Allman Joys. That's inside the box. The only licks that Eric plays consistently are the signature licks for the song. Example, “Layla”. He plays those famous seven notes and then he is off flying! You can't fly in a box.

What was Tom Dowd’s role? As the album producer, did he give the band a lot of direction?

When we went in the first day, Tom walked out into the studio and handed us all pieces of paper with numbers and chords written down on it. I turned to Eric and said, "What the hell is this?" He said that they were song charts. I said that we needed to have a little pow-wow. Eric and I decided that Tom should stay on the other side of the glass and make sure that the tapes were rolling. We wrote these songs and had been playing them out on the road already and we certainly didn't need someone telling us how they should go. Also, I was to be the one to tell him. We were the producers of our record and he was to be the executive producer. Tom's role was to make sure that everything went down on tape and to keep them rolling whenever anybody in the band was in the studio. I remembered George [Harrison] and Phil [Spector] recording the jams for George's All Things Must Pass record and suggested to Eric that we keep the tapes rolling. It was only tape anyway. Had we not, those great jams wouldn't be here now. Tom was a very gracious man and understood and agreed with us and complied with our request.


DeadMallard - 9/22/2017 at 04:09 AM

Layla album was bleeping fantastic and I'm happy I grew up in the era in which it was made and released.

You had one of the greatest producers in the history of music

One of the greatest electric guitarist in the history of music

One of the greatest slide guitarists in the history of music.

Making an album that people will be listening to a hundred years from now.


DeadMallard - 9/22/2017 at 04:10 AM

Best of luck to Devon & Duane on the tour.

I hope they make it out to Seattle.


JimSheridan - 9/22/2017 at 07:45 PM

I am not someone who knows the original line-up's live stuff as well as a lot of you do. I do know that the setlist was often pretty similar from show to show.

However, from what I have heard, and I do have most of the official live shows with Duane - AFE, Stonybrook, Ludlowe Garage, Boston Commons - he was not playing the same licks every night, and also, the wide range of material he tackled in his life as shown on the Duane A Anthology albums suggests to me that he was not stuck in any kind of box. But I also don't know music theory, so ....

What do you make of Whitlock's suggestion that Duane was limited when it comes to improv? I really don't hear it. it seems like the opposite of what I have always believed.


peachlovingman - 9/23/2017 at 03:12 AM

quote:
Best of luck to Devon & Duane on the tour.

I hope they make it out to Seattle.


I'm also hoping this tour will come to the Pacific Northwest and swing by Portland- especially the Waterfront Blues Festival next summer! I'd love to see Devon, Duane, the NMA, jimmy Hall and Samatha Fish all jam together on some Allman Brothers tunes. Samantha and Devon were big hits at the Portland festival a few years ago- he jammed with Gregg's band. too. Hopefully, Devon is back on this website and he will see there is a demand for this kind of music in our neck of the woods...The guys that run that festival are total Allman Brothers freaks so they'd definitely book this tour if it came by next summer. (Hint, hint....)


DeadMallard - 9/23/2017 at 05:43 AM

quote:
I am not someone who knows the original line-up's live stuff as well as a lot of you do. I do know that the setlist was often pretty similar from show to show.

However, from what I have heard, and I do have most of the official live shows with Duane - AFE, Stonybrook, Ludlowe Garage, Boston Commons - he was not playing the same licks every night, and also, the wide range of material he tackled in his life as shown on the Duane A Anthology albums suggests to me that he was not stuck in any kind of box. But I also don't know music theory, so ....

What do you make of Whitlock's suggestion that Duane was limited when it comes to improv? I really don't hear it. it seems like the opposite of what I have always believed.


LOL, consider the source.

Seriously, you really have to ask that question????????


Lee - 9/23/2017 at 12:41 PM

Not to be negative but why is this a WORLD TOUR? Did the Allman Brothers ever have a WORLD TOUR? I have seen these guys in clubs and street fairs. Seems odd to me is all I am trying to articulate.


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