Thread: Interesting bit of info from The Fillmore East Archives

playallnite - 8/26/2014 at 07:21 PM

The Fillmore East Archives is a group on Facebook, while reading the forums last nite I stumbled upon a post that mentioned 6/26/71 WAS recorded, it was an audience tape on cassette, the poster also mentioned that the tapes were confiscated at the door by an usher. The poster said he remembers his friend flipping the cassette to side B after a 45 minute One Way Out. (most tapers used 90 min. cassettes) one can only imagine what that'd be like.


Marley - 8/26/2014 at 07:44 PM

No way. I could be persuaded that there was a recording even though I would have expected the story to have come out long ago. Nothing could convince me they played One Way Out for 45 minutes. The ABB just didn't do that kind of thing, and the story doesn't make sense. OWO was usually the fourth or fifth song of a show, so a 45-minute version would've been spit onto two sides. Maybe he remembers they opened with Statesboro and OWO was at the end of a 45-minute cassette. The first five or six songs were basically all blues songs, so I can imagine a young fan getting confused.


playallnite - 8/26/2014 at 07:56 PM

Anything is possible. I hear many conflicting things about 6/26 too, but all have said it was musically amazing. The ABB did stretch Statesboro Blues in 70 a few times so ya never know.


stormyrider - 8/26/2014 at 08:21 PM

They didn't stretch Statesboro that long.
Marley's post makes the most sense.

of course, I'd love to hear the proof either way.


Marley - 8/26/2014 at 08:22 PM

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Anything is possible. I hear many conflicting things about 6/26 too, but all have said it was musically amazing. The ABB did stretch Statesboro Blues in 70 a few times so ya never know.

By a little bit, yes. Not by 40 minutes. This sounds more like something the Dead would do - take a song that was usually short and make it last almost an hour. The ABB has never really done that. Even when they add long drum breaks to songs, it's almost always to a song that was longish in the first place.

I'm not trying to dump on the story or anything. If there's a tape of this show, I hope we hear it and it proves me wrong. But if the rest of that story is true I think the thing about the One Way Out is more likely a misunderstanding.

[Edited on 8/26/2014 by Marley]


stormyrider - 8/26/2014 at 08:38 PM

About a year ago someone who was there posted (or re- posted) his / her recollection of the show. I don't remember a 45 min OWO mentioned.
Memories blur over time, but I don't think that would have been forgotten.

Now - we need to find that usher and get those tapes!!!!!!



[Edited on 8/26/2014 by stormyrider]


CanadianMule - 8/26/2014 at 11:34 PM

OK so someone records this legendary show and then after all that they hand the tapes over?

These shows are like Greek Mythology. Six hour shows. Crowd walks away speechless. Seriously not even one moron yelled out after a six hour show? Some mention the band going on at 4 and stopping as the sun was rising. Six hours? The acid was very good obviously.

Many of us have every available show with Duane and most barely go to two discs. Yet it seems every show lasted all day. Did they stop recording each night?


RobJohnson - 8/26/2014 at 11:41 PM

I understand your skepticism to a certain degree CanadianMule, but the last full-blown ABB show at the Fillmore East, the place where they recorded their famous live album, was not just another show.

Add in the fact that everyone who was at the show, from the band to those who attended, agrees that it was special, and I'm inclined to believe them. When you consider how the Duane shows we DO have are, and the fact that the band is convinced that 6/26/71 was better than all of them, I think it's possible that this show was the exception to the rule.

However, I do agree with Marley that the one thing I'll have to hear to believe is a 45 minute One Way Out

Now a 45 minute You Don't Love Me, a song that is somewhat similar to One Way Out, that seems possible. We have versions over 25 minutes.


CanadianMule - 8/27/2014 at 12:21 AM

The marathon shows are myth. Their set list rarely varied much at all. So then we are to believe that a whole bunch of other songs were played a handful of times over the years and yet they do not crack even one recorded show. Or the handful of regular shows played at that time were all half an hour.

Again the acid/shrooms were very good.

[Edited on 8/27/2014 by CanadianMule]


tori - 8/27/2014 at 01:30 AM

There are exceptions - in late 1971, the ABB played at Marietta College. I spoke with an older alum who attended that show and he mentioned the band played its typical repertoire and then brought Luther Allison to the stage for 30-40 minutes of a blues based jam. Unfortunately no tapes were rolling that night either.


RobJohnson - 8/27/2014 at 01:49 AM

CanadianMule, your whole premise is that 6/26/71 was an ordinary ABB show and should be considered in that context.

I believe that premise is flawed. Even if the Allman Brothers Band didn't play 4 hours every night, it is far from unreasonable to suggest that such a special occasion might be an exception to the norm. "Their setlist rarely varied much at all" doesn't mean it didn't vary at this particular show. In fact, part of the whole legend of this show was that it was different from any other ABB show.

It's also amusing to suggest that this was the only time the band and/or audience at an early Allman Brothers show was intoxicated. I'm sure there were quite a few people on acid and shrooms at the March 71 Fillmore East shows too, but people who were at both would tell you 6/26/71 was better. We are comparing apples to apples here.

Of course, if you would rather call thousands of people liars than consider the possibility that this show was special, be my guest.


stormyrider - 8/27/2014 at 02:10 AM

3/20/71 Wharehouse, show - tapes exist, many of us have the show. It was about 3 hours
WP was 40 min, Mtn Jam was 45 minutes

I can't find it, but there was a post about a year ago from someone who was there

The intro to the 6/27 show, Bill Graham mentions that the Brothers got on stage at about 2 or 3 and played until 6 or 7.
It happened


[Edited on 8/27/2014 by stormyrider]


oldcoot - 8/27/2014 at 02:28 AM

Well, we could always ask Rowland, as I believe that he was there.

If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat. So, if I'm remembering correctly, by the time you clear everyone out, search, let everyone back in, that takes some time.

The database lists songs with a mention of a 2 hour Mountain Jam. Possible? Yes. After all, due to the kindness of Johnny & Ann Sandlin, a 54 minute version from 1970 circulates. We know that only several months earlier, in Gatlinburg, the band was experimenting with a version of My Favorite Things (a la Coltrane). That would be another possibility for a v-e-r-y long jam (or, maybe even become an element of a 2 hour Mountain Jam).

Could they have played a total of maybe 3 1/2 to 4 hours on stage that night? Sure.

Audience recordings of the show? Unlikely. In its entirety? Not a chance. The technology of that time (a cassette deck & handheld mic) that almost always used multiple D cell batteries and gobbled them dry quickly, do you suppose anyone had the foresight to carry six to eight or more D cell batteries with them, knowing what a typical ABB show ran as opposed to what happened that evening? Come on.

The band has repeatedly said no soundboard recordings were made that night. That, was the only possibility that our ears would ever hear what those lucky, lucky folks did that night.

[Edited on 8/27/2014 by oldcoot]


DOVETAIL - 8/27/2014 at 02:31 AM

The floundering of ABB as they lurch to their finale(sic) this fall has its predecent in the Fillmore appearances of '71. No communication about horn players the first night of three specifically designated for live release is execreble enough--kudos to Dowd quashing that ill-conceived experiment--but to not record all the shows of the closing of Fillmore East is a shame and a sin that puts a pox on the Allmans (and to an extent Wolfgang himself). Who's betting the 6/26 tapes appear in 3-4 years for another edition of ABB AFE?...and can't help but say the inclusion of 6/27 with Graham's intro is nice but doesn't make up for some of the bum notes I hear during the show or lessen my cynicism about why those few moments were not on the 2nd disc of EAP Deluxe?: not enough running time on the cd? Maybe if some of the slavish adoration of this band were replaced with some healthy detachment the group would feel more beholden to higher standards (can you say 'Moogis" ABB DVD 40?


CanadianMule - 8/27/2014 at 03:45 AM

Didn't imply or suggest that it was the only night where the acid was good. There are rumours/legends of all sorts of these supposed super long shows and yet none exist on tape. Combination awe, joy, musical excitement and the right mix of drugs and alcohol a can create all sorts of myths.

I have joked over the years that this show gets longer all the time. It has been described anywhere from two hours to six hours. It has been said by some there that they came on at 4ish and played till sunrise. This is a believable number.

I am not suggesting that it wasn't a special evening or show. Time and legend just tends to stretch the truth a bit. Such as the tale that everyone left without making a sound.

When this or any other 4+ hour shows appear, I want a copy like everyone else. Will sit and listen with Santa and the Easter Bunny.


CanadianMule - 8/27/2014 at 03:52 AM

Not calling anyone a liar either, nor have thousands told the tale. In fact more people who were not there seem to tell the story based on things they read or heard. I have talked to some who were there and others posting here and at best the memories are sketchy.

Similar to how everyone at Woodstock saw Hendrix and yet evidence shows that the vast majority were gone.


BNAKED - 8/27/2014 at 03:56 AM

I always figured they would play some rarer tunes that weren't standards every show. Revival, DWYNM/cross to bear, dreams, every hungry women, even, dimples, outskirts of town etc is how they "played all nite". Add in the standard list of the time with statesboro, done somebody wrong, dkmw, and one way out, stormy monday. Of course liz reed, whipping post, YDLM, and a long mtn jam could fill 2 hours or more.


Bill_Graham - 8/27/2014 at 01:14 PM

Bill Graham was notorious for making audio and sometimes video tapes of the shows he promoted so it seems odd he would not have taped at least part of the show from the 26th. That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?


dzobo - 8/27/2014 at 02:15 PM

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That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?

I talked with Kirk West about this some time ago. He was given complete access to the Graham music archives during a band project and his extensive search could not uncover anything.


Marley - 8/27/2014 at 02:59 PM

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If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat.

I think that was the late show March 13, the end of the At Fillmore East run. I can believe it was a four or five hour show, keeping in mind that that's an estimate and that comments like 'nobody said a word when it ended' are figures of speech.


Bill_Graham - 8/27/2014 at 04:11 PM

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That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?

I talked with Kirk West about this some time ago. He was given complete access to the Graham music archives during a band project and his extensive search could not uncover anything.



Thanks for sharing dzobo, that is a real loss for us fans. The Brothers played the Fillmore's more than 25 times according to the concert database here so did he mention if he came upon any other unreleased Duane Era shows from those venues? or any other Duane era shows from any venue?


dzobo - 8/27/2014 at 07:56 PM

I don't believe that were any "new" finds. However, he did work on an archive release from 1/71 Fillmore West that was eventually vetoed by one of the band members. Good recordings from that run do circulate.


CanadianMule - 8/27/2014 at 08:05 PM

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If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat.

I think that was the late show March 13, the end of the At Fillmore East run. I can believe it was a four or five hour show, keeping in mind that that's an estimate and that comments like 'nobody said a word when it ended' are figures of speech.


Not figures of speech, just a quote from an interview that gets repeated till some believe its fact. Same thing with the "play all night" shows which continue to grow.

No chance that they played songs that never showed in set lists before or after the closing. The only way would be something like a two hour Mtn Jam and if they played that for two hours then the drugs were indeed good that night. Maybe someone was high and forgot to press record.

Funny how magical and hard to believe moments are rarely caught on tape. Gives those moments the ability to become anything that could be imagined.


absnj - 8/27/2014 at 08:41 PM

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If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat.

I think that was the late show March 13, the end of the At Fillmore East run. I can believe it was a four or five hour show, keeping in mind that that's an estimate and that comments like 'nobody said a word when it ended' are figures of speech.


Not figures of speech, just a quote from an interview that gets repeated till some believe its fact. Same thing with the "play all night" shows which continue to grow.

No chance that they played songs that never showed in set lists before or after the closing. The only way would be something like a two hour Mtn Jam and if they played that for two hours then the drugs were indeed good that night. Maybe someone was high and forgot to press record.

Funny how magical and hard to believe moments are rarely caught on tape. Gives those moments the ability to become anything that could be imagined.


You are too pragmatic...


dutchoneill - 8/27/2014 at 08:42 PM

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That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?

I talked with Kirk West about this some time ago. He was given complete access to the Graham music archives during a band project and his extensive search could not uncover anything.



Thanks for sharing dzobo, that is a real loss for us fans. The Brothers played the Fillmore's more than 25 times according to the concert database here so did he mention if he came upon any other unreleased Duane Era shows from those venues? or any other Duane era shows from any venue?


When Wolfgangs Vault first appeared, I emailed them numerous times concerning this show. I was always told that there was no tape with that date on it. Did they check or just brush me off?
When Kirk said he searched for it, I felt that they were being honest with me.


Marley - 8/27/2014 at 08:52 PM

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I think that was the late show March 13, the end of the At Fillmore East run. I can believe it was a four or five hour show, keeping in mind that that's an estimate and that comments like 'nobody said a word when it ended' are figures of speech.


Not figures of speech, just a quote from an interview that gets repeated till some believe its fact.

I'm saying the quote should be taken as a figure of speech.
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No chance that they played songs that never showed in set lists before or after the closing.

They did play all of the songs BNAKED mentioned. There are six setlists from that 1971 that include DWYNM/Cross to Bear, and we have recordings of one of those (the Warehouse). They played Revival periodically in '71, more often as the year went on, and I think there are three versions on tape. They did play Dimples, Outskirts of Town and Every Hungry Woman in '70 but those seem to have fallen off the setlist. (So did Hoochie Coochie Man and Leave My Blues at Home, based on the available setlists.) They even played Please Call Home once, late in the year. So it's unlikely they played those last couple of songs but it's not totally impossible. I also doubt the show went six hours even though my reading was that they played Whipping Post > Mountain Jam and then did a two hour jam. I doubt anybody was looking at his watch during the show. I don't know how long the longest existing Duane-era show is, but Bill Graham said the performance on the 26th went four to four and a half hours. I don't think that's crazy.


BIGV - 8/27/2014 at 09:18 PM

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OK so someone records this legendary show and then after all that they hand the tapes over?



I doubt that any taper would have considered it to be legendary at the time he had to "Hand them over"....That being said...About 15 years ago I was at a Van Morrison/Taj Mahal show @ the Universal Amp. in L.A. I had a seat on the rail and was stealthily recording the show when a "yellow jacket" walked right by me and saw the red light on my Sony. I had a choice, the tapes or the deck... I chose to keep the deck...


CanadianMule - 8/27/2014 at 09:58 PM

As Oldcoot mentioned, it is unlikely that anyone brought a cassette recorder, two dozen batteries, a bag full of blanks. If you went to that much effort of recording various acts and then some marathon ABB show and pulled it all off stealth fashion then who would flash it around for security to step in then? If the show was over and I was leaving then security could kiss my ass.

Surprised that you coughed up either the tapes or the deck, Vince. They legally have no right to take, listen or watch any tape or deck. I can see getting caught and stopping. Hope you pulled another tape out after they left.

Whether it was considered legendary at the time, if it was a mammoth show that was three to four times longer than the usual set anyone with the thought of taping would know it was a special show.

When I asked Dickey about the show and it's' length, he laughed and said "so people have told me". He said it was a great night but didn't seem to remember playing till the cows came home.

Who knows? Maybe some security guy has been waiting for just the right moment to cash in. Hopefully someone recording on a cassette player in 71 had a time machine and some better equipment otherwise it likely sounds like crap anyway. A two 90 minute cassette Mtn Jam that speeds up and down as the batteries were dying and the tapes were getting flipped, do we really want to hear that? Could take away the magic.


Marley - 8/27/2014 at 10:26 PM

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Surprised that you coughed up either the tapes or the deck, Vince. They legally have no right to take, listen or watch any tape or deck. I can see getting caught and stopping. Hope you pulled another tape out after they left.

It's better than getting thrown out and missing the rest of the show, which was his third option.


CanadianMule - 8/27/2014 at 10:36 PM

Option number three could be telling him where to go.

A benefit of being a big guy is that most security will try and avoid conflict if at all possible.

With Vince's loveable nature and smooth talk, I am surprised that he didn't let him continue and buy him a beer.


BIGV - 8/28/2014 at 01:22 AM

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Surprised that you coughed up either the tapes or the deck, Vince. They legally have no right to take, listen or watch any tape or deck. I can see getting caught and stopping. Hope you pulled another tape out after they left.

It's better than getting thrown out and missing the rest of the show, which was his third option.



Correct. I was asked to follow not only that "security guard" but a couple of more who were also in the area. My girlfriend remained in her seat as I was escorted to the office where my options were explained to me. I gave up the tapes and my batteries and was escorted back to my seat.

All of the brave talk here is making me laugh out loud. I had no choice.


CanadianMule - 8/28/2014 at 02:42 AM

I would let a guy known as BigV keep recording. They insulted you by only sending 3 guys.

Did they return your batteries? Should have sued. Pain, suffering, stolen property, missed part of show, left GF unprotected, not to mention the tarnished reputation. You live in the Land of the Lawyer Next time call 1 800 LEE FREE.


BIGV - 8/28/2014 at 03:05 AM

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There are exceptions - in late 1971, the ABB played at Marietta College. I spoke with an older alum who attended that show and he mentioned the band played its typical repertoire and then brought Luther Allison to the stage for 30-40 minutes of a blues based jam. Unfortunately no tapes were rolling that night either.


I was at the Cow Palace show on New Year's Night 1974; a long time ago so I remember very little except for Elvin and some other guests coming out to jam after a very long set. To tell you the truth, most in my little gang of fellow Allman worshipers actually started to get bored with the length of the performance, especially after Gregg failed to complete the concert... I recall him saying, "we're gonna boogie 'til the cows come home" and then he left the stage. In my recollection, these "Extremely long shows" were a rarity.....

But like others here, I still hope a recording of of 6-26 surfaces someday, but if it does..... I'll wager it is nowhere near the marathon people 'remember'.


aiq - 8/28/2014 at 01:04 PM

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I have joked over the years that this show gets longer all the time...I want a copy like everyone else. Will sit and listen with Santa and the Easter Bunny.


Reminds me of the joke, Gibson made between 600 - 700 Les Paul's in 1958, of which 1300 survive to this day.


bird72 - 8/28/2014 at 02:51 PM

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I have joked over the years that this show gets longer all the time...I want a copy like everyone else. Will sit and listen with Santa and the Easter Bunny.


Reminds me of the joke, Gibson made between 600 - 700 Les Paul's in 1958, of which 1300 survive to this day.


Pontiac made 697 Trans Am's in 1969, but there are about 1500 of them now.

In 2025, people will be talking about the 28 hour Allman show at the Fillmore where Bill Graham served breakfast and put them to bed




Shavian - 8/28/2014 at 04:46 PM


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.....Gregg failed to complete the concert... I recall him saying, "we're gonna boogie 'til the cows come home" and then he left the stage.....



Sorry, but that made me laugh!

I expect he had a more pressing engagement!




BIGV - 8/29/2014 at 07:50 PM

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Reminds me of the joke, Gibson made between 600 - 700 Les Paul's in 1958, of which 1300 survive to this day.



Haha!....My new signature!


Bill_Graham - 8/29/2014 at 08:19 PM

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Reminds me of the joke, Gibson made between 600 - 700 Les Paul's in 1958, of which 1300 survive to this day.



Haha!....My new signature!


I get what he was trying to say but ironically the OP's numbers are wrong as well.

Les Paul Guitar Production numbers: 1958: 434 (about half Goldtops), 1959: 643, 1960: 635 (about 1600 estimated 1958-1960 sunburst Les Pauls)

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/lpsun.html

[Edited on 8/29/2014 by Bill_Graham]


SkyDog4President - 8/9/2017 at 06:48 PM

I know this is an old thread, but I've done some digging recently and couldn't find the following info anywhere on the site. Apologies if it has already been discussed, but I think it's very interesting...

This is from the copyright records on the Library of Congress' website. Here's a screenshot of the search. It shows that a copyright exists for a "sound recording" with the title: "The Allman Brothers Band : Fillmore East, 06/26/1971." The copyright claimant (and authorship on the application) belongs to "Bill Graham Archives, LLC." The catalog entry was created in 2005 and has a publication date of 3-27-06, which is after Wolfgang purchased the archives. There was a previous registration as a "Pre-1972 sound recording" and the basis for the new copyright claim is "remixing and editing." So, take it as you will. Very interested to hear what people have to say though...has anyone seen this before?



[Edited on 8/10/2017 by SkyDog4President]

[Edited on 8/10/2017 by SkyDog4President]


dzobo - 8/10/2017 at 02:58 AM

That certainly is an attention grabber. Did you also see a copyright filing for 6-27-71? If not it's possible the WV people confused the two dates. If there are filings for both this is pretty interesting.


dzobo - 8/10/2017 at 03:04 AM

Just did the search myself. Both dates do exist. What is the next step to find out what the actual content is?

Interestingly, the filing for the 27th is for 3 discs while the 26th just says compact disc. Could it be that what is available from the 26th is just a remnant?

[Edited on 8/10/2017 by dzobo]


KCJimmy - 8/10/2017 at 12:55 PM

That is interesting and I will always hold out hope...BUT it is possible they did the copyright just in case they did find the tapes. In 2005 when they filed they could have been simply trying to protect their rights on the hope that there was a recording.


The_Newt - 8/10/2017 at 09:10 PM

I have talked to people who were at one time a major part of the Allman brothers band and they said how the last night at the Fillmore the show that was not open to the public, was not recorded either in house as a soundboard reel to reel via the staff of the Fillmore East, by the Allman brothers band crew themselves, or by anyone in the audience.


SkyDog4President - 8/11/2017 at 12:31 AM

So I'm not 100% on this because it's not my area of practice, but I don't think you can apply for a copyright without having something of substance to support it. Could be wrong, but I don't think you can just blanket apply for something like that. Your point makes sense though on its face.

And obviously the 6/27 exists so what do you mean when you say people didn't think it was ever recorded? Gives me some hope, about 6/26 I suppose.

I'm not sure what the next steps for this would be. I find it hard to believe that some sound from that existed as recent as 2005 and it's never come up at all in any discussion with people from the band or who were around at the time..On the other hand, I really do think it's out here somewhere.


RobJohnson - 8/11/2017 at 03:21 AM

I see that hope springs eternal, but if this recording hasn't surfaced by now, it probably never will.

A) These tapes, if they even exist, are old enough to start decomposing. If they are still sitting in somebody's closet, they are probably not usable anymore.

B) The Allman Brothers broke up 3 years ago. Butch and Gregg have passed away. The market for ABB music is dwindling fast. If anybody is still holding on to this recording, what in the Wide World Of Sports could they possibly be waiting for?

The idea that the show just wasn't recorded is the most likely answer. The ABB played plenty of shows back then that were not recorded.

That said, I still have no reason to doubt that this was an extraordinary show and the original band's finest moment.


griff - 8/11/2017 at 04:31 PM

I wasn't around back then.
But what if it's mislabeled?
Maybe some of it added on to an existing date with no markings?
The chase must go on for the "grail".

" Midnight on a carousel ride
Reaching for the gold ring down inside

Never could reach
It just slips away but I try"
Robert Hunter


Marley - 8/13/2017 at 12:39 AM

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I see that hope springs eternal, but if this recording hasn't surfaced by now, it probably never will.

Probably so. But I assumed all the Duane stuff that could be found was found in the late '90s or early 2000s, but a couple of shows have turned up in the last year and it sounds like there are others. So that's reason to think it's not impossible.
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A) These tapes, if they even exist, are old enough to start decomposing. If they are still sitting in somebody's closet, they are probably not usable anymore.

You don't register a copyright for that, though. Or at least Bill Graham's archives wouldn't.
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B) The Allman Brothers broke up 3 years ago. Butch and Gregg have passed away. The market for ABB music is dwindling fast. If anybody is still holding on to this recording, what in the Wide World Of Sports could they possibly be waiting for?

Also a totally fair question, but why is previously unheard Duane stuff still emerging?

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But what if it's mislabeled?
Maybe some of it added on to an existing date with no markings?

Lawyers cost money, so you would probably check that before you pay a lawyer to go to the trouble of filing the paperwork.


WaitinForRain - 8/16/2017 at 04:00 AM

So just to inject a little reality

A bunch of tripping hippies look at their wristwatches (LMAO) and somehow remember 50 years later that the band played OWO for 45 min. Or whatever.

I'm not buying it.

The band had a set list that didn't vary much in those days. I find it more than probable they went on late and had a nice smoke break in between bomb scares or whatever.

If this show exists someone would have booted it.

the stories of the legendary jams that lasted hours and hours are BS

The band had plenty of nights when they were hittin' it. I'm not sure, even if the show was taped, if it would be so immensely better than anything else.

the intriguing thing is the copyright page. Might just be listed because the agency booked the band on that date not knowing if there was a recording or not.

I'd put my money on Kirk.


Marley - 8/16/2017 at 02:46 PM

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the intriguing thing is the copyright page.

Yes, that's the new part of the conversation. Not much sense in arguing with three-year-old posts that were obviously wrong the first time.
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Might just be listed because the agency booked the band on that date not knowing if there was a recording or not.

Is that typically how these sorts of listings work? Does the Graham archive have a lot of copyrights on shows that were booked and not recorded?


Stephen - 8/16/2017 at 03:24 PM

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I see that hope springs eternal, but if this recording hasn't surfaced by now, it probably never will.

A) These tapes, if they even exist, are old enough to start decomposing. If they are still sitting in somebody's closet, they are probably not usable anymore.

B) The Allman Brothers broke up 3 years ago. Butch and Gregg have passed away. The market for ABB music is dwindling fast. If anybody is still holding on to this recording, what in the Wide World Of Sports could they possibly be waiting for?

The idea that the show just wasn't recorded is the most likely answer. The ABB played plenty of shows back then that were not recorded.

That said, I still have no reason to doubt that this was an extraordinary show and the original band's finest moment.


agreed, it would've seen the light of day by now
as to A, unsure -- if stored properly, ie not moved around a lot, in a place w/ the right heating/steady temp etc., in cases I've seen they hold up pretty well, perhaps the recently-unearthed 7/9 Stonybrook 4 instance
B, would've thought so too but the Skydog box set from 2013 sold very well, as Southern Blood, left to us w/love from our departed brother, almost surely will too
word also, IIRC, was for possible future release of the Fillmore West shows, but unsure about that too
I love the ABB


MACONMUSIC - 8/17/2017 at 01:01 AM

Haaa, just like memories and everything else that's diluted, distorted and degenerated by the passage
of Father Time....That fish I caught was 5 feet long and weighed 200 lbs!!!!....My 69 Nova did the quarter mile in
6 seconds at 250 mph!!!!....That chick I spent the night with in '72 looked like Raquel Welch!!!!....We once smoked
a joint 6 feet long dipped in cow **** and got an incredible buzz!!!! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Time distorts everything, good, bad, indifferent....

[Edited on 8/17/2017 by MACONMUSIC]


dzobo - 8/17/2017 at 04:04 AM

quote:
Might just be listed because the agency booked the band on that date not knowing if there was a recording or not.

The copyright application says there is a CD.


WaitinForRain - 8/17/2017 at 04:13 AM

There is a CD? I have land in NOLA for you. Dry. I swear it. BWAHAHAHA.


RobJohnson - 8/17/2017 at 10:30 PM

"the stories of the legendary jams that lasted hours and hours are BS

The band had plenty of nights when they were hittin' it. I'm not sure, even if the show was taped, if it would be so immensely better than anything else."


I want to address this once more, with feeling, then I promise I will leave this topic alone forever and ever Amen.

I hear people say this all the time "Those hippies were on drugs! How can we trust them when they say this show was so special?"

Here's why: Many of these same hippies went to many other Allmans shows at the Fillmore East, and they were probably on drugs for those shows as well. Many of those people, including the kind gentleman who runs this website out of the goodness of his ABB-loving heart, say this was the best show they ever saw the original ABB play. I've read quotes where the band themselves support the idea that this show was special and exceptional.

Now if you want to call the ABB and a good chunk of their NYC fanbase a bunch of liars, knock yourself out, but I don't see any reason to doubt them. These are reliable expert witnesses in my opinion, and their testimony is good enough for me.


WaitinForRain - 8/18/2017 at 12:31 AM

"if you want to call them liars"

False statement.

To Lie is to do so intentionally for some kind of gain.

The passage of time melting drug induced memories, and infusing those rose colored
purple haze lenses, hey that's REALISTIC. To say this has not happened is simply not
at all realistic. it has happened, the only question is to what degree.


SkyDog4President - 8/18/2017 at 02:31 AM

I had no intention of dragging up old arguments, so I'm sorry for posting here. should've just started a new thread. Skeptics will be skeptics, believers will be believers...I'm interested in constructive discussion about figuring out if there's proof one way or another

I'm fairly certain you cannot apply and actually be issued a copyright on material that is just hypothetical in nature. In other words, there has to be some substance to justify the copyright. If there is no substantive material, i.e. there was never a recording of the show, then there is nothing to copyright. If the catalog says there is a CD sound recording, then that must have existed at the time the copyright was awarded.

Now, whether that recording actually is the fabled 6/26 show, that's an entirely different question. But these legal records clearly indicate some recording DID exist. There wouldn't be a copyright issued if didn't.

[Edited on 8/18/2017 by SkyDog4President]


goldtop - 8/18/2017 at 05:01 AM

From what I heard early from one of the original books about the Allmans is that at some point during the show they just jammed....there was a supposed My favorite things and just a lot of blues type jams....they obviously didn't have 4 - 5 hours worth of material

A quote from Butch said...we played all of our songs and they shut the lights off and turned the mirror ball on and we just jammed for about 2 hrs...so an extra long show for a night like this can be explained and believed...The late show didn't actually start until 3am on 6/27 and they played until the sun came up...app 7am...so 2 hrs of their material and a 2 hr jam


WaitinForRain - 8/20/2017 at 07:56 AM

Hey, I don't deal with belief - Easter Bunnies and Fairies are for childhood. Show me the goods.On
I 100% doubt there is any recording.


BIGV - 8/20/2017 at 09:00 AM

Bigfoot has the only copy

That is all


spoonbelly - 8/20/2017 at 11:14 AM

Since 6/26 and 6/27 started after midnight, I guess technically you could call them 6/27 and 6/28? I still wonder if the remaining shows 6/25 early and late and 6/26 early were ever recorded as I have heard that the remote recording truck was outside The Fillmore for all of those shows?


Wayne - 8/21/2017 at 03:53 PM

At the wheel, Willie reminisces to the fellow traveler about the band’s gig on the last paid-admission night at the Fillmore East: “Oh, my God, the boys was hittin’ the note for sure, brother. They smoked up the place till seven in the mornin’. That was a great place to play. The World Series of rock and roll.”

This is from Willie straight from the Grover Lewis article in Rolling Stone that came out right after Duane passed. So it was fresh in his mind when he said it here, Bill said they started at 3 or 3:30 am and Willie says they finished up at 7 am, that sounds good enough to me to believe it.

[Edited on 8/21/2017 by Wayne]


Stephen - 8/21/2017 at 04:33 PM

X2 -- Butch always recalled this show exactly to this effect , with it being light out after the gig was over & what righteous music it was etc

"That, to me, is the best gig we have ever played."
Butch as quoted in the mid70s biography by Tom Nolan


emr - 8/21/2017 at 05:47 PM

Urban legend has it that they did a two hr version of "Dixie" and the alt-left refuses to let the Record Company release it!!!!!!!


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